Post by: Ironhead on February 05, 2008, 07:42:47 AM
I put this this in this category, Varmints and Small game because this is what our state needs to do . Same seasons as Coyotes. I have the feeling WDFW will wait untill the Wolves infest our state before they will come up with a comprehensive management plan that the Feds and people will accept. We have known about the spread of Wolves for 10 years and they are just now starting to admit that they are here. This is also the first state where tree huggers and Wolf fuggers are the majority, that should compound the problem for us.
Post by: actionshooter on February 05, 2008, 08:02:14 PM
Post by: jake on February 11, 2008, 01:26:15 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 11, 2008, 02:35:43 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 11, 2008, 02:42:22 PM
i personally would love to see wolves here am i alone in my thoughts?
YES
Post by: BrushChimp on February 11, 2008, 03:11:13 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 11, 2008, 03:39:57 PM
It's easy to bash on wolves for eating our game animals, but I can't remember too many threads on here about habitat protection and loss of valuable hunting/wildlife habitat to developers. Send your letters to the right people, wolves are going to be a fact of life here before too long, but you can help the herds by stopping development in important wildlife areas and closing roads.
I'll be the unpopular guy here and argue that we can manage wolves alongside our herds.
Post by: JoshT on February 11, 2008, 05:00:50 PM
Post by: Bofire on February 11, 2008, 06:19:23 PM
To say that the wolf repopulation efforts in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, have not been extremely successful is not only wrong it is not supported by either side.
The animals have taken off like crazy, and yes many other species have suffered. Last I read the population growth has been exceeding expectations by several hundred percent.
CD.. Here is some reading :)
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/annualrpt06/index.htm
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/annualrpt06/index.htm
It is funny here on the net, I read nothing about bashing wolves in this thread, some political bashing yes, some folks love to be the underdog, some bash in fits of uncontrollable "internet macho" ( thats sissys who are really tough at the keyboard),
some "read in" things and some "read out" things, no threads seem to stay on subject. I did not see anyone say "kill all the wolves", I didn't see anyone say "never touch the wolves"
I am not sure why there was the comment about "predators have been here longer than us" or why that would make any difference in a discussion about wolves??? or anything else. Isn't it some kinda fish or lizard, maybe a snake or rats? that has been here longest? Do they get senority on the vacation schedule?
Carl
Post by: jake on February 11, 2008, 06:20:31 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 11, 2008, 06:27:42 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on February 11, 2008, 07:09:00 PM
i agree with WA coyote 100% everyone is quick to bash wolves. i think we are the only two on here that dont think its the end of the world that there are wolves, predators are just a part of the food chain that has been in place WAY longer than we have been around. there are more animals lost by cars every year than anything else so what are we going to do making people stop driving? come on, who knows maybe i just respect wolves, and wildlife in general.
ok you really dont know what your talkin bout, with all the trappin and hunting going on they're alot more animals killed by us (hunters) then by cars. go check the facts, dont just go on sayin stuff that you think might be true
Post by: actionshooter on February 11, 2008, 07:42:47 PM
Now here is my view with my tin foil hat on. :P
If we have wolves which are being used as a mangment tool to keep the deer and elk herds in check, why would hunters be needed to manage populations? If you think that sounds crazy those views have been published by antihunting groups.
Post by: ICEMAN on February 11, 2008, 07:50:06 PM
PETA called they want there stance on wolves back...............
Oh My God!!! :chuckle: That is damn funny! LMAO!
I will say if for you. ***Please kill all the wolves. *** I do not want to be replaced by wolves. I want to hunt deer and elk, and not compete with them. I will shoot the old elk. Please shoot all wolves you see. Thanks.
Post by: Cougeyes on February 11, 2008, 09:53:47 PM
Anyways, my stance on the wolf issue? I never saw them when they were here and I am not missing them. I do not think there is any scientific reasoning or science based study that would suggest that they NEED to be here. The ecosystems are flourishing fine, some even not so great. Letting a top predator like that come in could severely hurt species populations and entire ecosystems. People's arguments on this seem to always be they keep species in check. Dont we already have cougars and bears doing that, oh yeah and Humans. I personally do not want to see them here, and i do not think they will become a huge issue because we have people that will keep their population in check.
Post by: tabynn on February 11, 2008, 09:56:36 PM
Jake,
I understand what you are saying, but I am not too sure I want to sacrifice my children for the Wolf cause!!
Post by: Cougeyes on February 11, 2008, 10:18:51 PM
http://wolfcrossing.org/2008/02/01/idaho-wolves-kill-deer-within-yards-of-school-bus-stop/
Post by: bowhuntin on February 11, 2008, 10:20:28 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on February 11, 2008, 10:38:57 PM
http://www.wabowhunters.org/Page.aspx?nid=97
Post by: whitey on February 12, 2008, 06:51:27 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 12, 2008, 07:09:02 AM
Post by: whitey on February 12, 2008, 07:17:03 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 12, 2008, 07:22:02 AM
Post by: whitey on February 12, 2008, 07:58:48 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 12, 2008, 10:55:02 AM
I personally do not want to see them here, and i do not think they will become a huge issue because we have people that will keep their population in check.
Who's that? The poachers? I think we've been here before...a whole lot of righteous hunters advocating poaching, because they don't "like" the animal.
Post by: jake on February 12, 2008, 11:50:18 AM
http://www.i90wildlifebridges.org/I90Roadkill.pdf
"When deer road kill statistics are looked at on a national basis, the data is staggering. In 1991 it was estimated that 726,000 deer were killed on the nation’s highways.5 In 1995, the number of deer-vehicle collisions was estimated to be over 1 million and that 92% of the time, being hit by a car is fatal to the deer.6 But because there are no national summaries available, we cannot determine what this number has risen to in the nine years since."
Post by: Houndhunter on February 12, 2008, 03:54:10 PM
here is the site for all of you who have no faith in this 17 year old kid http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/status/07trend.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/status/07trend.pdf)
and another http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/status/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/status/)
yo cougeyes i dont remember what the discussion was, but i got lots of facts to back me up if you want to here them. just gotta remind me of what i were tryin to prove. you can pm me if you want to talk there instead of on a thread. or hell i'll just drop it i guess, guys can have there own seperate opinions
Post by: Houndhunter on February 12, 2008, 03:58:54 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/status/98trend.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/status/98trend.pdf) go to the deer section or page 3, i bet alot of you guys will be suprized when you look at the numbers and graphs
Post by: tlbradford on February 12, 2008, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 12, 2008, 04:24:30 PM
Check the link you posted, It says the deer tag sales fell from 239k in 1974 to 141k in 1997...that might have an effect on havest #'s.
Now take into consideration habitat loss and degradation, from weeds, ORV traffic, recreation...Less habitat means less deer.
I agree that more predators are likely to reduce deer/elk numbers, but there are other forces at work here.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 12, 2008, 04:26:22 PM
My biggest problem with the wolf reintroduction is that it is not a "reintroduction". It is a non native species to the lower 48 states. The wolf that populated the lower 48 was smaller, weaker, and more succeptible to the elements and disease. Nature could help control their numbers. You may as well bring in Polar Bears.You're right...that was a bonehead move! I'm not sure where they were native to, but they are a bigger animal than the "original".
Post by: Houndhunter on February 12, 2008, 04:39:03 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 12, 2008, 04:41:43 PM
There Packs will fit in perfect in the methow and Entiat wintering grounds.........
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 12, 2008, 05:01:22 PM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrQbXJNj1vk[/youtube]
Post by: jake on February 12, 2008, 08:12:25 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on February 12, 2008, 08:35:23 PM
and as the rest of the guys say on here, ill buy ya a round somtime :brew:
damnit, guna have to wait a few years till i can do that...... legally ;)
Post by: MikeWalking on February 13, 2008, 08:46:04 AM
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no offense taken, just different opinions
and as the rest of the guys say on here, ill buy ya a round somtime
damnit, guna have to wait a few years till i can do that...... legally
?? I was legal at 17? Oh yeah I was on Active Duty I forgot. :chuckle:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 13, 2008, 12:30:38 PM
please watch the slide show.
Post by: whitey on February 13, 2008, 01:48:38 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 13, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 13, 2008, 01:58:33 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 13, 2008, 02:17:29 PM
Poisoning is a bad idea because of the nontarget kill...birds, scavengers,...
Post by: JoshT on February 13, 2008, 02:27:50 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 13, 2008, 02:31:37 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 13, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
Poisoning used to be a popular way to get rid of predators. People would lace a carcass with poison and let the critters eat on it and then die. The problem is you have NO way to know what's eating the poison. I suspect lots of birds and other non target animals died that way.
It worked well in eradicating the wolves the first time.......
Post by: tlbradford on February 13, 2008, 02:45:10 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 13, 2008, 02:58:37 PM
Mange was introduced to wof packs to help control them in the past. They would dart an animal. Infect it with mange, and then release it to go back to the pack and infect others. Bunny huggers would not allow it these days.That seems like a pretty crappy stance for a sportsman to take. No one should allow it these days. Do you think mange only affects wolves?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 13, 2008, 03:05:10 PM
Poisoning used to be a popular way to get rid of predators. People would lace a carcass with poison and let the critters eat on it and then die. The problem is you have NO way to know what's eating the poison. I suspect lots of birds and other non target animals died that way.It also worked well in reducing the populations of lion, bobcat, coyote, eagles, hawks....
There are too many non target populations that would be affected by poison to make it a reasonable control method. If i had to choose between poisoning the wolves (and all the other incidental species) and letting the wolves eat the herds, I would choose the latter. It might be unpopular, but I'm unwilling to support eradication of all the predators.
It worked well in eradicating the wolves the first time.......
Post by: Houndhunter on February 13, 2008, 03:11:17 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 13, 2008, 03:22:10 PM
Post by: Ironhead on February 13, 2008, 03:28:14 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on February 13, 2008, 03:28:42 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on February 13, 2008, 03:40:50 PM
Post by: tlbradford on February 13, 2008, 05:09:47 PM
Post by: Ray on February 14, 2008, 09:29:13 PM
I sympathize completely with those people that want to kill them on sight illegally... But I will not be a part of that...
Kill a wolf... Save an elk.
Post by: huntnphool on June 25, 2009, 09:40:46 AM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on June 25, 2009, 09:49:17 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 25, 2009, 11:00:58 AM
Post by: saylean on June 25, 2009, 11:09:21 AM
Post by: CastleRocker on June 25, 2009, 06:54:34 PM
We hunt in a roadless portion of the Kanisku Nat. Forest. No roads = no road kill, no development, not many other hunters. So there goes those theories. Last year we were told the animals were just very wary due to the number of wolves in there. Ok, I'll agree with that. I'd be extra wary if I was a prey animal too. However, just because they are more wary, does that mean they no longer walk? What to they do....fly? We saw so little sign, (very few tracks, no beds, no crap, no scrapes, no rubs), we may as well have been hunting on the south side of the moon! But we did see and hear wolves, and they were making a LOT of tracks, and leaving sign everywhere. Kind of makes me go "Hmmmm".
We went to the interior of Alaska last year on a DIY moose hunt. My son wanted to call in a wolf, so I asked about buying a non-resident wolf tag. The lady at to counter told me they were currently on the top of the wolf cycle in the area we were going, and the bag limit was 5 per day, no tag required. 5 PER DAY, PER PERSON! We called in one wolf and didn't get a shot. That is in an area with a known "wolf issue" (as she put it). We saw five in Idaho, without trying to, and way more sign than in AK, in an area that (according to the folks who have the "facts" and think they know what they are talking about), DOESN'T have a wolf issue. Once again....Hmmmm.
I'm so glad we won't ever have a "wolf issue" or season in Washington.
Makes me feel so warm inside. Or maybe that's my blood pressure spiking. But we can't argue with the facts. Once more, a thoughtful "Hmmmm".
Post by: Houndhunter on June 26, 2009, 05:13:08 PM
Post by: woodswalker on June 26, 2009, 05:53:08 PM
Post by: alecvg on June 27, 2009, 12:44:46 PM
PETA called they want there stance on wolves back...............
Oh My God!!! :chuckle: That is damn funny! LMAO!
I will say if for you. ***Please kill all the wolves. *** I do not want to be replaced by wolves. I want to hunt deer and elk, and not compete with them. I will shoot the old elk. Please shoot all wolves you see. Thanks.
:yeah: You crack me up every time Iceman!