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Big Game Hunting => Other Big Game => Topic started by: winston2789 on March 10, 2010, 12:12:12 PM

Title: Too late for Moose?
Post by: winston2789 on March 10, 2010, 12:12:12 PM: I was thinking about starting to put in for Wyoming Moose to build up points in hopes to eventually get drawn, but I figured I would ask if it's even worth it so late in the game. I think I saw the max points were at like 9 or 10. I'm not to sure on how the draw works but am pretty sure that max points holders are the ones who get the tags. I'm only 24, do I got a shot at drawing in this lifetime??? Thanks
Mike
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2010, 12:42:33 PM: Here is the breakdown of points coming into the 2010 draw year

FOR NON RESIDENTS not INCLUDING Residents

1176 one
866 Two
729 Three
670 Four
731 Five
885 Six
954 Seven
955 Eight
838 Nine
632 Ten
87 Eleven
58 Twelve
39 Thirteen
22 Fourteen
6 Fifteen POINTS
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 10, 2010, 12:43:19 PM: I haven't run the numbers but over time I would think that you should be able to draw something, probably the state with the best odds of drawing a moose tag as a NR would be Idaho though, some units have really good draw odds.
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2010, 12:45:13 PM: Now to explain this.......75% of all tags go to the person with the most points, and the rest go to the RANDOM draw. Then X amount of percent goes to Non residents only. SO.........most units don't even have enough tags in them for a person to have a RANDOM chance at a Non resident tag. Therefore, you have to have ALL those folks with preference points drawn FIRST before you have a shot at it. You do the math, how long that will take when there are only so many tags per year and that amount of tags DECREASES every year because of WOLVES.

ANother way to say it is Wyoming splits 80/20 for residents/non residents. THen that %20 is split again 75% going to max point holders and %25 going to the random draw.

Essentially they have to have a unit with 20 permits before ONE is available for a Non-res for the random draw.
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: winston2789 on March 10, 2010, 02:20:51 PM: Thanks a lot Bone, that was a great way of explaining it. I don't think it's worth going for. That system sucks for the younger guys in my opinion, too bad I didnt start putting in when I was 9 . :dunno: Now there are so many people in it I doubt I would ever get drawn ,unless I lived to be 300 :rolleyes: . But when there are only so many moose and so many more people wanting to hunt them, thats how it goes.... doesn't help being non-res either.
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2010, 02:58:43 PM: THere are a lot of fellars on here that think Washington should go to the Preference point system. I'm sure they really don't realize how it works or how horrible it is as a system. This SUCKS for the youth and anyone not investing $100 PER YEAR to buy a point. My bad, moose is ONLY $75.
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2010, 03:15:18 PM: side note......

There are only 8 units in WY with a RANDOM chance of drawing a Non res tag. In all of those, THE BEST draw odds are 4%. THE BEST

Wyoming moose tags have been cut %50 in the last 7 years.

JUST last year alone, 114 less moose tags. (Thanks wolves!)
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: winston2789 on March 10, 2010, 04:13:56 PM: We need to put these wolves back on the endangered species list, I have heard way too much about our hunting going to sh*t in most of the western states these past few years. Is the population way higher then it was 10 years ago? Sorry if this is a dumb question...
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: cohoho on March 10, 2010, 07:03:37 PM: Save the money you'd spend for points each year in the various states and when you got enough $$$ saved, do a trip to AK....
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: PNUTCHI on March 11, 2010, 04:36:18 PM: Yeah come up here it is awesome. I can't wait till Sept. Just wish I could hunt here in winter instead of unit 20. Went after some rabbits and saw 4 cows and a calf. Their not even scared of my snowmachine they just turn around and stare.
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: winston2789 on March 12, 2010, 02:05:04 PM: Guess it's time to start saving. Whats a good outfitter cost these days for fully guided moose hunt up in Alaska?
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 15, 2010, 11:37:19 AM: Bone nailed it entirely on how WY works!!!!

Curious Bone.
Where did you get the stats for current WY point holders quantities?
I've looked on WGF's website and never found such.
Link?
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: boneaddict on March 15, 2010, 12:04:46 PM: Its posted on there. Its in a pdf file or I'd copy and paste it. I'll see if I can score a link to the pdf.
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: boneaddict on March 15, 2010, 12:06:09 PM: Moose and Sheep.....
http://gf.state.wy.us/downloads/pdf/TotalPreferencePointsMS2009.pdf (http://gf.state.wy.us/downloads/pdf/TotalPreferencePointsMS2009.pdf)
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: boneaddict on March 15, 2010, 12:07:20 PM: For those curious about deer/elk and antelope
http://gf.state.wy.us/downloads/pdf/TotalPreferencePointsEDA2009.pdf (http://gf.state.wy.us/downloads/pdf/TotalPreferencePointsEDA2009.pdf)
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 15, 2010, 12:12:18 PM: Thats sick stuff...
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 15, 2010, 12:13:37 PM: Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: boneaddict on March 15, 2010, 12:28:38 PM: Their random is a JOKE. 200 out of pocket...the other near 6,000 back in a couple months. :yike:
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: Bob33 on March 15, 2010, 12:35:42 PM: Prior to 2006 WY moose applications were $7. When they raised them to $75 I wrote the following letter:

February 2, 2006

Ms. Linda Fleming
President, Wyoming Game and Fish Commissioner
P.O. Box 59
Baggs, Wyoming 82321

Mr. Ron Lovercheck
Vice President, Wyoming Game and Fish Commissioner
3965 Bear Creek Rd
La Grange, WY 82221

Dear Ms. Fleming and Mr. Lovercheck,

I wish to express my absolute disappointment and disgust in Wyoming's increase in non-resident license fees starting this year.

I have applied for many years for species such as moose and elk, hoping that one day I might have to privilege to hunt in Wyoming.

I note that Wyoming has implemented a preference point system this year, and the cost to apply has increased by $75 for moose, and $50 for elk.

Due to this increased cost, I am no longer able to justify applying. The money I've spent previously on applications and points ($7 for moose per year) will go to waste.

Shame on your commission. You're spitting in the face of many individuals such as myself that have supported hunting efforts in states such as Wyoming.

Sincerely,
Title: Re: Too late for Moose?
Post by: Bob33 on March 15, 2010, 12:41:08 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on March 10, 2010, 12:42:33 PM
Here is the breakdown of points coming into the 2010 draw year

FOR NON RESIDENTS not INCLUDING Residents

1176 one
866 Two
729 Three
670 Four
731 Five
885 Six
954 Seven
955 Eight
838 Nine
632 Ten
87 Eleven
58 Twelve
39 Thirteen
22 Fourteen
6 Fifteen POINTS

The residents have an average of 5.1 points; non-residents have an average of 5.5 points.