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Post by: CSOUTFITTERS on March 17, 2010, 04:28:50 PM
Whitetails in the ellenburg area would thrive. With the private land and farm fields it wouldnt take long to produce some 150 class whitetail bucks. They would also populate like crazy! I agree with trying to keep them out of the trophy muley units, but in a place where the muleys are struggling someting needs to be done to either bring them back or introduce something else that might do better (whiteys).
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I hope more show up!!!!!! :P (i hear the pot stirring) The muleys are in such bad shape south of I-90 (e burg to yak) that F&W shouldnt allow a season to hunt the does or bucks. Units 340 and 342 get hammered during all general seasons and every small 3 pt gets smoked before they can mature. The only hope of getting good genetics in the yak canyon are the bucks coming over from the firing center or the bucks coming down from the higher country.They really screwed up like always changing the L.T. to general.. No surprise there though, the game dept. is a big joke in this state.. Not new news to any
Post by: buckmaster_wa on March 17, 2010, 11:25:26 PM
I hope more show up!!!!!! :P (i hear the pot stirring) The muleys are in such bad shape south of I-90 (e burg to yak) that F&W shouldnt allow a season to hunt the does or bucks. Units 340 and 342 get hammered during all general seasons and every small 3 pt gets smoked before they can mature. The only hope of getting good genetics in the yak canyon are the bucks coming over from the firing center or the bucks coming down from the higher country.They really screwed up like always changing the L.T. to general.. No surprise there though, the game dept. is a big joke in this state.. Not new news to any
Yeah back when 342 was permit only there were quite a few really nice bucks up in the L.T Murray. Theres still a few up there but they are few and far between. When it was permit only though you could go see 10-20 good bucks in a day. Thats the WDFW for you though. They gotta screw everything up.
Post by: colockumelk on March 18, 2010, 12:27:48 PM
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Post by: luvtohnt on March 19, 2010, 09:06:46 AM
I hope more show up!!!!!! :P (i hear the pot stirring) The muleys are in such bad shape south of I-90 (e burg to yak) that F&W shouldnt allow a season to hunt the does or bucks. Units 340 and 342 get hammered during all general seasons and every small 3 pt gets smoked before they can mature. The only hope of getting good genetics in the yak canyon are the bucks coming over from the firing center or the bucks coming down from the higher country.White tails being in the LT Murray would totally eliminate the mule deer population. 342 needs to go back to permit only, but untill people quite being selfish and start thinking about the wildlife nothing is going to change. We already have great white tail spots in this state, with plenty of deer, what we need is to better manage the mule deer populations in this state. That would include a bounty on white tails in Kittitas county!! :twocents:
It's not the WDFW fault that they re-opened up GMU 342. Alot of times they actually DO listen to us and do bow to public pressure. This is one of those instances. Unfortunately what is popular isn't alway the right thing to do. The WDFW got a ton of hate mail from the masses complaining about taking opportunity away, can't road hunt anymore blah, blah, blah so the WDFW did what the majority wanted which was to keep GMU 342 general season. I'm telling you sometimes we are our own worse enemy.Great point.
Brandon
Post by: colockumelk on March 19, 2010, 09:22:59 AM
It's not the WDFW fault that they re-opened up GMU 342. Alot of times they actually DO listen to us and do bow to public pressure. This is one of those instances. Unfortunately what is popular isn't alway the right thing to do. The WDFW got a ton of hate mail from the masses complaining about taking opportunity away, can't road hunt anymore blah, blah, blah so the WDFW did what the majority wanted which was to keep GMU 342 general season. I'm telling you sometimes we are our own worse enemy. :bash:
Actually I guess in a way it is the WDFW fault. Since they are the leadership its their responsibility to manage the herds. Hunters will always want more opportunity and hunters will usually be biased and selfish. You can't expect all hunters to know the situation and the "bigger picture." That's the job of the WDFW. I just wish sometimes the WDFW in instances like the Mule Deer herds of Yakima and Kittitas would tell us all to F'ck OFF!!! They are going to do right by the Mule Deer herds and build them back up. But then again the right thing to do isn't always popular and in this case wont sell as many tags. In regards to GMU 342 once again we shot ourselves in the foot.
Post by: sako223 on March 19, 2010, 07:45:24 PM
Three things have saved it from wipeout, steep ground(yakima canyon), private property, fencing.
Clemen was set up as a trophy unit for several years and attracted poachers plus tribal hunting. They reopened it for basically one good year and now it is poor again. Essentially years of wasted time on experimental seasons.
I think in the open units the whitetails will stay around the brushy bottoms.
A recent study shows cougar predation on muley fawns increases with whitetails present. Haven't figured out how they got that but remember reading it.
Still don't have the recipe for disaster at YTC
Post by: ribka on March 19, 2010, 07:53:32 PM
I saw a WT by Wenas Lake last Oct.
Post by: Sneaky on March 20, 2010, 08:32:12 PM
The Northwestern Whitetail is not native to Yakima area and should be kept out at all costs. In fisheries management, the state has finally admitted non-native trout and other species harm native populations. Whitetails are weeds of the west, carry disease, push out mule deer descended from the same gene pool my grandpa hunted years ago. They also breed mule deer does as they are more aggressive, especially if muley buck numbers are low. Fawn rearing success drops when WT are in the area as it causes Mule Deer does to drop fawns in higher country where there is less nutrition and more predation. These weeds of the west would make great target practice for US Army, Airforce, Etc. Good dog food also.
Dog food? Whitetails eat up better than most any other deer.
Post by: CSOUTFITTERS on March 20, 2010, 09:50:27 PM
Something needs to be done to change things but i really dont care if i shoot a 160 class muley or a 160 whitetail.
Post by: sako223 on March 20, 2010, 10:25:41 PM
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The Northwestern Whitetail is not native to Yakima area and should be kept out at all costs. In fisheries management, the state has finally admitted non-native trout and other species harm native populations. Whitetails are weeds of the west, carry disease, push out mule deer descended from the same gene pool my grandpa hunted years ago. They also breed mule deer does as they are more aggressive, especially if muley buck numbers are low. Fawn rearing success drops when WT are in the area as it causes Mule Deer does to drop fawns in higher country where there is less nutrition and more predation. These weeds of the west would make great target practice for US Army, Airforce, Etc. Good dog food also.
Apparently Elk and Whitemen are not either, but we spend a lot staying here.
What has been done to keep the Blacktails out?
How far back do we want to go?
We have bird species first arriving here too now. A neighbor reported to the Audobon society a few years ago. It came to our place and nested so I looked it up in the book.
Pelicans are returning for the first time in 60-80 years and moving into areas they have not been seen before eating a lot of salmon.
Cormorants are moving in.
What about Non native plants and especially the ones WDFW planted.
So I understand your point but find many examples that diminish it.
Post by: banannaclip on March 21, 2010, 09:25:28 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 22, 2010, 08:15:19 AM
Still don't have the recipe for disaster at YTC
I could tell you from personal experience but it is not politically correct to do so on a public forum. It would just hijack this thread.
Post by: pat2bear on March 22, 2010, 03:26:25 PM
I saw a WT by Wenas Lake last Oct.
I had a buddy of mine say that he saw a WT up by the lake also a year or two ago. I laughed at him and told him he was :liar: . Maybe I owe him an apology.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on March 22, 2010, 08:38:39 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 23, 2010, 12:08:01 PM
I see 2-4 everyday!! I have seen a buck with no head gear and 3 does!! Here's one of the does..
Where was this picture taken. In the Yakima Canyon??
Post by: CSOUTFITTERS on March 23, 2010, 09:47:45 PM
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Post by: jdb on March 31, 2010, 05:56:52 PM
Call me crazy but I saw a 2 point wt and wt doe with twins that looked as though they were part mule deer... They sure didn't have a whitetail.... This was in Southeast Cowichie..... If you look in the regs it says any whitetail is legal in 368 and several other units that aren't known as holding wt.....yea and our game dept. never makes a mistake :dunno:I spend 30 or 40 days a year in that unit and have for almost 30 years and have never seen a whitetail in there
Post by: 270Shooter on April 01, 2010, 10:51:03 AM
Its like that in all of the 300 units to keep the whitetails out of those units, because these areas are managed for mule deer.Call me crazy but I saw a 2 point wt and wt doe with twins that looked as though they were part mule deer... They sure didn't have a whitetail.... This was in Southeast Cowichie..... If you look in the regs it says any whitetail is legal in 368 and several other units that aren't known as holding wt.....yea and our game dept. never makes a mistake :dunno:I spend 30 or 40 days a year in that unit and have for almost 30 years and have never seen a whitetail in there
Post by: colockumelk on April 01, 2010, 02:16:31 PM