Post by: mkcj on March 16, 2010, 12:47:09 AM
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/mar/16/francis-marion-has-hidden-cameras/ (http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/mar/16/francis-marion-has-hidden-cameras/)
Post by: DDFever on March 16, 2010, 05:02:54 AM
People need to relax, it is an investigative tool deployed a lot. Today's criminals are very savvy and law enforcement has to try and stay one step ahead of them. This usually get miscrued by the public as big brother is watching.
Post by: seaduckhunter on March 16, 2010, 05:59:56 AM
Post by: poohdog on March 16, 2010, 06:46:45 AM
Post by: mountainman1 on March 16, 2010, 09:39:19 PM
Post by: PolarBear on March 16, 2010, 09:49:16 PM
This is going be the same guy that would find your trail camera out there in the woods and take it home too! Next thing you know we will be all charged with voyarism. He needs to chill.:yeah:
They should have prosecuted him for taking the camera. Dumb ass! :bash:
Post by: shoot-em-dead on March 16, 2010, 09:50:05 PM
Post by: Clipboard guy on March 16, 2010, 10:40:05 PM
Post by: Little Dave on March 17, 2010, 12:23:42 AM
Yeah, leave the cameras.
Post by: Tom Reichner on March 17, 2010, 01:27:21 AM
There's a grow in a remote area of a National Forest. Forest Service law enforcement puts some hidden cameras up in the area. Someone is there legitimately - camping, hiking, hunting, whatever. The guy gets "caught" on video. A couple days later he's back home and law enforcement bangs on his door. When he answers they treat him like a suspect and interrogate him with a ton of questions, forcing him to explain what he was doing there. If he refuses to answer their questions, they really suspect him, and maybe even take him to their headquarters for further questioning. Maybe he simply thinks that whet he was doing there is none of their business, and he's right - it isn't.
Why should anyone ever be detained or considered suspicious simply because they were seen on a video camera?
I wouldn't be surprised if more than one innocent person has been subjected to visits by the police and questioning because of video cameras used in this manner.
If they need to use cams to try to catch their bad guys, fine - as long as not one innocent person is ever inconvenienced in any way whatsoever.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 17, 2010, 05:48:48 AM
Post by: runamuk on March 17, 2010, 07:00:18 AM
not too mention you could find pictures of yourself posted on the internet :o not everyone goes to bars and such to have fun :rolleyes:
Post by: Curly on March 17, 2010, 07:32:27 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on March 17, 2010, 07:42:45 AM
Post by: GoldTip on March 17, 2010, 08:08:20 AM
They are starting to place these remote ones that can be accessed by GPS / satalite at many gatted locations. In order to catch those sneaking into areas. It should be interesting in the years to come.
They've had them at closed road gates for years in Montana. I knew a guy years ago (hell back in the early 90's) that had a habit of hooking a chain to the locks on those gates and getting the road open. :bdid: He eneded up getting caught doing this by one of these camera's. I feel they are a good thing personally.
Post by: bigdave on March 17, 2010, 08:13:18 AM
Post by: MichaelJ on March 17, 2010, 08:23:56 AM
What a crock of crap, throw some charges at his ass! Some people don't think before they act...
Michael
Post by: Little Dave on March 17, 2010, 08:42:01 AM
Post by: Tom Reichner on March 17, 2010, 09:02:05 AM
I think the guy should have been able to drive on the road. If the road was at all passable, they shouldn't have gated & locked the road in the first place. Are you really ok with the government controlling where you can/can't go?
They've had them at closed road gates for years in Montana. I knew a guy years ago (hell back in the early 90's) that had a habit of hooking a chain to the locks on those gates and getting the road open. :bdid: He eneded up getting caught doing this by one of these camera's. I feel they are a good thing personally.
Post by: runamuk on March 17, 2010, 09:22:55 AM
I think the guy should have been able to drive on the road. If the road was at all passable, they shouldn't have gated & locked the road in the first place. Are you really ok with the government controlling where you can/can't go?
They've had them at closed road gates for years in Montana. I knew a guy years ago (hell back in the early 90's) that had a habit of hooking a chain to the locks on those gates and getting the road open. :bdid: He eneded up getting caught doing this by one of these camera's. I feel they are a good thing personally.
I actually am ok with gated roads mostly because I am so tired of seeing so much trash in the woods...on second thought maybe we should all just dump our trash there seeing as its "our" public land........
and if the forest service can't have cameras in the woods then I think all private citizens also should be barred from using them.....again I really do not care....if you aren't breaking the rules then its sort of a non issue if you are growing tons of marijuana it might be a problem......
its interesting to me how we all see these things a little differently...like the people at work who do not see killing an animal to feed their family as poaching even if its out of season :dunno:
Post by: Curly on March 17, 2010, 09:31:05 AM
I've been saying for years that the County should be using cameras to catch people dumping junk (cars, refrigerators, couches, washers, dryers, etc.) along the road. There is a wide spot on a county road a couple miles from my house that constantly is getting junk dumped there. Time to get some cameras up and arrest these dirtbags that are costing the county a bunch of money by having to clean up that Pelosi that gets dumped there.
Post by: GoldTip on March 17, 2010, 11:26:01 AM
I think the guy should have been able to drive on the road. If the road was at all passable, they shouldn't have gated & locked the road in the first place. Are you really ok with the government controlling where you can/can't go?
They've had them at closed road gates for years in Montana. I knew a guy years ago (hell back in the early 90's) that had a habit of hooking a chain to the locks on those gates and getting the road open. :bdid: He eneded up getting caught doing this by one of these camera's. I feel they are a good thing personally.
Is this a serious question? They close roads all the time back home with gates and leave them passable, sometimes it's so they can get in later to fight a fire if there is one. When Moose hunting the Selkirk unit this past fall I walked a lot of gated roads that were fully passable, so they do it here in WA. as well. Sometimes they close them for reasons of animal protection, such as area's that are traditional deer/elk calving/fawning areas, and then they re-open them after calving season. And the government didn't control where we went, they simply controlled how we got there.
Do you think it's OK for me to drive my four wheeler anywhere on National forest land just because I can get it there? I may not like them gating or closing roads, and I quite often think it's bullpucky when they do, but I don't look at it as if they "control" where I go, they are simply controlling how I get there. Most often they close/gate roads for protection of animals for one reason or another, and yes, I am OK with that.
Post by: jackelope on March 17, 2010, 11:29:40 AM
at trailheads for security, in the woods looking for wolves and other game, the forest service has them, the wdfw biologists have them, etc...they could be anywhere.
I agree with Goldtip.
Post by: Houndhunter on March 17, 2010, 11:46:38 AM
Post by: GoldTip on March 17, 2010, 01:26:19 PM
i dont like them, i read an article about them doing this in wa and they got pics of wolverines in the area i hunt. well anyone could have told you they were most likely there, but what i see is gonna happen is they close off areas to hunting just like what they have done in ea wa when they found a grizzly when they find pics of animals that are "endangered"
Have they actually closed area's to hunting in NE WA because of Grizzlies or just closed the driveable roads? Cuz I hunted the hell outta the most NE unit in the state and didn't find any area's closed to hunting, I just couldn't drive into them.
Post by: shoot-em-dead on March 17, 2010, 01:42:18 PM
Post by: PolarBear on March 17, 2010, 01:50:11 PM
Gold tip is correct. The mainly control how you get there. I have seen areas closed for fire danger but I would rather have them closed for a little while than to have the area burned up. And they usually advertise areas closed pretty well. I actually think it is good that they have cameras out and can gather evidence against criminals. The worst thing they are going to get of me is taking a leak or dropping a pelosi. Something I am sure they would be happy to delete. Get it straight guys- don't break the law and you don't have to worry. That includes dumping garbage, busting gates, poaching, growing drugs, or STEALING CAMERAS,etc.:yeah:
Post by: CMG on March 17, 2010, 01:53:31 PM
I am all for authorities using what ever means necessary to catch any and all criminal/vandalism acts.
I do however believe there should be some thought to posting signs @ gates or trailheads stating "Someones watching". Just as most all public places are required to do. :twocents:
Post by: BIGINNER on March 17, 2010, 01:55:53 PM
I find it humorous anyone on this site complaining about using hidden cameras out in the woods? If that camera belonged to member on this site, there would be a full investigation :). Thus I agree with others "Leave the camera alone"!.:yeah:
I am all for authorities using what ever means necessary to catch any and all criminal/vandalism acts.
I do however believe there should be some thought to posting signs @ gates or trailheads stating "Someones watching". Just as most all public places are required to do. :twocents:
Post by: Slayerz on March 17, 2010, 07:44:25 PM
Post by: Atroxus on March 17, 2010, 09:29:35 PM
Post by: seaduckhunter on March 18, 2010, 02:43:37 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 18, 2010, 02:53:16 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on March 18, 2010, 03:32:18 PM
i dont like them, i read an article about them doing this in wa and they got pics of wolverines in the area i hunt. well anyone could have told you they were most likely there, but what i see is gonna happen is they close off areas to hunting just like what they have done in ea wa when they found a grizzly when they find pics of animals that are "endangered"
Have they actually closed area's to hunting in NE WA because of Grizzlies or just closed the driveable roads? Cuz I hunted the hell outta the most NE unit in the state and didn't find any area's closed to hunting, I just couldn't drive into them.
I shouldnt of said closed for hunting, i was told they were closed as in no entry at all by car or on foot so thus making it so you cant hunt there. i wasnt there to see it but i do beleive they guy that told me, maybe he miss read the signs and they just made it so you couldnt drive in the area but thats how he interpeted it
Post by: banannaclip on March 20, 2010, 10:03:25 PM
Post by: grundy53 on March 30, 2010, 12:21:40 PM
Call me paranoid but I find it odd that they would be so evasive about why/how the cameras are being used. :dunno: If they are there for a valid purpose I see no reason for them not to just admit it. Unless the guy that placed the camera is just some werid sicko hoping to catch video of campers "answering the call of nature", or getting freaky in the woods. I doubt it's to catch pot growers though, if it was at a camp ground. I am pretty sure growers try to stay remote enough to not have to worry about people stumbling across their operation constantly.
or maybe they were being evasive about it cause they don't want criminals to know what they are doing? would you want to show the other team your play book?
Post by: NRA4LIFE on March 30, 2010, 12:27:16 PM
Post by: Curly on March 30, 2010, 01:31:37 PM
Did anyone else find it ironic that it was on Lake "Moultrie"?
I did. :) I posted that same question on page 1.
Did anyone else find it ironic that the trail cam was placed next to Lake Moultrie? :)
Post by: corktex on March 30, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
Post by: littlemac on March 30, 2010, 03:50:12 PM
Poachers Gets Busted - Washington Fish and Wildlife Police - Game Warden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRyGHD9zlm8&feature=related#)
Stealing From Forest - - US Forest Service Law Enforcement - Oregon State Police - Game Warden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvJhEHnEoTQ#)
Post by: rainshadow1 on March 30, 2010, 04:30:15 PM
(Feel free to read between the lines.)
Post by: mkcj on March 30, 2010, 04:57:08 PM
Post by: FureForBulls on March 31, 2010, 12:34:11 AM
Most of you guys are a bunch of jacks!!!!!!
These kinds of methods are joke. "We all own the forest"