Post by: backwoods_boy on March 31, 2010, 11:50:29 AM
on Rayonier Property
in Game Management Unit 642
An Access Permit is required for every hunter drawn by the State of Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, participating in the 2010 Spring Bear Hunt, in GMU 642.
Access Permit can be purchased:
Beginning Monday, April 5
Monday through Friday
9:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m.
or
Saturday, April 10, only
9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
at the Rayonier office located:
3033 Ingram Street
Hoquiam, WA 98550
Cost of permit is $100.00
When you come to the office, bring the following required documents:
Hunting License
Bear Tag
Drivers License
Proof of Insurance on vehicle
Vehicle registration
No QUADS, ORV’s or ATV’s are allowed on Rayonier property, in GMU 642, during the 2010 Spring Bear Hunt.
Companion Access Permit is required for anyone accompanying a hunter who has been drawn for the 2010 Spring Bear Hunt. If a Companion Access Permit is not filed with Rayonier before the hunter’s companion enters GMU 642, the result will be a forfeiture of the licensed hunter’s Access Permit with no refund, and the hunter and companion will be escorted off Rayonier land. There is NO FEE for the Companion Access Permit.
Questions - please call 360.533.7000
Post by: bobcat on March 31, 2010, 12:03:06 PM
Post by: backwoods_boy on March 31, 2010, 12:07:22 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 31, 2010, 12:11:42 PM
So are you and your brother both going to pay $100?If you each have a bear permit, you could have one hunter and one companion for $100. If you get the first bear, go get another $100 hunter permit. That is what it sounds like to me.
Post by: bobcat on March 31, 2010, 12:12:51 PM
So are you and your brother both going to pay $100?If you each have a bear permit, you could have one hunter and one companion for $100. If you get the first bear, go get another $100 hunter permit. That is what it sounds like to me.
That's kind of what I was thinking.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 31, 2010, 12:19:24 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 31, 2010, 12:50:38 PM
Post by: backwoods_boy on March 31, 2010, 12:53:03 PM
what if we see two bears at once........ Up crap creek.
My understanding is that each HUNTER needs the permit and I know i dont wanna be just watching without a gun.
:-)
Post by: Bob33 on March 31, 2010, 12:54:57 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 31, 2010, 04:38:16 PM
Chances of seeing two bear in a day up there is very low, unless you bait or run dogs or you see a sow and cub, so I would really think about the 1 hunter/1 companion angle.
Post by: rasbo on March 31, 2010, 04:42:25 PM
Understood. My partner and I both drew two years ago. He drew this year so I'll go as a companion only.hope you get to see one...have a good time anyway
Post by: billythekidrock on March 31, 2010, 04:44:52 PM
Understood. My partner and I both drew two years ago. He drew this year so I'll go as a companion only.
Does he live in Everett? Two years ago I met a couple of guys in the Copalis that drove all the way down from there.
Post by: Bob33 on March 31, 2010, 05:05:09 PM
Post by: Alan K on March 31, 2010, 05:09:19 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 31, 2010, 05:10:13 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 31, 2010, 05:11:17 PM
My partner, the one that drew (three years in a row, the bugger!) lives in Bonney Lake. We've had wonderful camping experiences over there but have yet to see a single bear.
I drew two years in a row and I doubt I will ever put in for it again. I did see one small bear and some sign. I did get pics of two different bobcats that I called in.
But after talking with employees (they said there was no bear problem up there and the ones killed were over bait) and seeing/hearing hound hunters it was just too much to deal with.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 31, 2010, 05:15:21 PM
Do you get a key to the gates with that $100 permit?
Keys would be nice. They did not supply them in the past..and I got locked in twice. :bash:
Post by: backwoods_boy on April 01, 2010, 08:13:01 AM
Thanks again for the PM Billy...
Post by: bearmanric on April 01, 2010, 08:21:42 AM
Post by: Bob33 on April 01, 2010, 10:19:03 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on April 01, 2010, 12:48:02 PM
Monday through Friday
9:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m.
or
Saturday, April 10, only
9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
Post by: Bob33 on April 01, 2010, 12:52:21 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 01, 2010, 12:58:44 PM
Post by: backwoods_boy on April 01, 2010, 02:32:39 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 01, 2010, 02:58:25 PM
Post by: backwoods_boy on April 01, 2010, 03:18:24 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 01, 2010, 03:27:30 PM
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When you come to the office, bring the following required documents:
Hunting License
Bear Tag
Drivers License
Proof of Insurance on vehicle
Vehicle registration
Post by: billythekidrock on April 01, 2010, 04:10:04 PM
I read that Rayonier permits can only be picked up in person at their office in Hoqium, and only next week. Anyone heard anything different?
I can't speak to this year, but in the past, if you sweet talked the gal you could get the permits and map by faxing back and forth.
Post by: backwoods_boy on April 01, 2010, 04:19:50 PM
already triedI read that Rayonier permits can only be picked up in person at their office in Hoqium, and only next week. Anyone heard anything different?
I can't speak to this year, but in the past, if you sweet talked the gal you could get the permits and map by faxing back and forth.
no go
Post by: mrgoodwrench on April 01, 2010, 04:58:51 PM
As a Rayonier employee and a hunter I ask everyone on here to please be respectful of the people working in our office and working in the woods. You are a guest on the property and have no 'right' to be there. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir on this but there have been many spring bear hunters over the last few years who have been very rude and just a pain in the a** for our office folks. One guys unattended campfire even set a few acres on fire last year.
Good luck to everyone and PM me if you need any advice. One of my road builders had a decent boar sit in the road for him on monday.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 01, 2010, 05:19:14 PM
I have also never seen such flat land hold so much water. :bash:
Post by: scroder on April 01, 2010, 06:02:45 PM
just my :twocents:
Jason
Post by: Caretaker on April 01, 2010, 06:54:37 PM
Caretaker
Post by: jgorley on April 01, 2010, 08:23:05 PM
James
Post by: CJ-5 on April 01, 2010, 08:44:30 PM
Post by: bonecrusher on April 01, 2010, 09:54:19 PM
never ceases to amaze me :bash:
Post by: billythekidrock on April 02, 2010, 05:42:45 AM
I'm the lucky one who drew three years in a row that Bob33 refers too, have had many good memories. It's nice that you don't see environmentalist running around with pots and pans banging, bells tied to their chest etc. The control measure keeps them out. Although I need to put some thought into either hunting or letting the $100 fee get to me and lose a point this year. Kudo's to Billy helping me last year on where to hunt.
Caretaker
You are very welcome and I hear ya on the $100. It would be nice if they put that in the regs before hand instead of surprising everyone with quadruple price increase.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 02, 2010, 05:46:35 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 02, 2010, 05:51:56 AM
Obviously they figure it is a money making venture for them
Absolutely.
If all permitees payed the fee then they make $10,000.
Post by: mrgoodwrench on April 02, 2010, 10:32:01 AM
The coweeman looks like the Rockies in comparison to much of the Copalis.....so you'll have no problem getting around.
Post by: bonecrusher on April 02, 2010, 10:39:02 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 02, 2010, 10:47:34 AM
Post by: mrgoodwrench on April 02, 2010, 11:06:24 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 02, 2010, 11:17:20 AM
Post by: bonecrusher on April 02, 2010, 11:21:04 AM
bonecrusher, that's not a fair statement to make. Nobody knew beforehand that the fee was $100.
OK if its truly a surprise ill give ya that. but i know theres mention of contacting Hancock in the regs before you put in for that hunt. Ive never paid attention to this one because i don't put in for it. I'm assuming this hunt is on property that is gated year round so if you knew that a logical conclusion would be to contact the land management company for info on the hunt before you put in for it. if you didn't know it was gated then yeah this would be a crappy surprise if not mentioned in the regs.
Post by: Bob33 on April 02, 2010, 11:28:44 AM
Post by: jgorley on April 02, 2010, 11:47:09 AM
James
Post by: KillBilly on April 02, 2010, 06:47:43 PM
So are you and your brother both going to pay $100?If you each have a bear permit, you could have one hunter and one companion for $100. If you get the first bear, go get another $100 hunter permit. That is what it sounds like to me.
That's kind of what I was thinking.
The companion does not get to hunt. They just go along for assistance. It doesn't matter if they had 2 bear tags, only the person that drew gets to hunt. And you can only take one animal in the spring bear hunt.
Post by: bobcat on April 02, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
backwoods boy and his brother BOTH drew Copalis. Wasn't sure if you realized that. We were just saying one of them could be the "hunter" and one the "companion" at first. Then if they are lucky and get a bear, pay $100 for the other hunter and hunt for the 2nd bear.
Post by: Bob33 on April 02, 2010, 07:56:09 PM
Post by: backwoods_boy on April 02, 2010, 08:16:37 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 02, 2010, 08:36:39 PM
Right. Only one of the two brothers with permits must have a permit to hunt from Rayonier. One could hunt and the other could be a companion, but the post from the Rayonier employee suggested they might not allow that since both brothers are listed as hunt permit holders. They might require both brothers to pay $100.
Boy, they get you coming and going don't they. LOL
Post by: markts on April 02, 2010, 09:31:05 PM
:yeah: plus if you don't like it DONT PUT IN FOR IT. theres plenty of folks that would like to draw a tag, if one has a fee associated with it and you don't already accept that you ll pay it if you draw then don't put in for for crying out loud!!!!
Had I known the fee was going up to $100 I would not have put in for it. >:( Mark
Post by: billythekidrock on April 02, 2010, 10:24:10 PM
:yeah: plus if you don't like it DONT PUT IN FOR IT. theres plenty of folks that would like to draw a tag, if one has a fee associated with it and you don't already accept that you ll pay it if you draw then don't put in for for crying out loud!!!!
Had I known the fee was going up to $100 I would not have put in for it. >:( Mark
Can you hunt your lease without paying the $100 or is the lease even in the spring unit?
Post by: markts on April 03, 2010, 09:07:20 AM
Good question Billy, I would think I could hunt it but will have to check. I have seen bear ;)
:yeah: plus if you don't like it DONT PUT IN FOR IT. theres plenty of folks that would like to draw a tag, if one has a fee associated with it and you don't already accept that you ll pay it if you draw then don't put in for for crying out loud!!!!
Had I known the fee was going up to $100 I would not have put in for it. >:( Mark
Can you hunt your lease without paying the $100 or is the lease even in the spring unit?
Post by: divedog on April 03, 2010, 09:36:36 AM
Post by: mrgoodwrench on April 03, 2010, 10:19:59 AM
Divedog- Yes, the unit is adjacent to Pacific beach......anywhere from a ten minute to a half hours drive will get you on the property.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 03, 2010, 10:29:13 AM
Mark- You can hunt on your lease since it is in the Copalis unit; you don't need the permit.....to hunt outside of your lease during the hunt.....I've not heard what they have decided.
Just for clarification.
Are you saying that a lease holder can hunt their lease (if it is within the spring boundary and they have a F&W spring bear permit) withouth the $100.00 Rayonier access permit?
Then the next statement/guess was you weren't sure if a leasee can hunt the whole unit without the access permit?
Post by: mrgoodwrench on April 03, 2010, 10:45:13 AM
They may get a reduced price or something on the 100 permit since they have a lease.....but that has yet to be decided....they are insured on the lease......but I don't know if that will apply on the rest of the hunt area.....the underwriters may require different insurance for the rest of the spring bear hunt area. I don't deal with the policy or politics of all that crap.....I get everything ready to kill the trees and build the roads.....and have been involved with the marketing and on the ground implementation of the lease program. Not sure what they will decide, but Mark knows the guy to talk to about it.
Post by: markts on April 03, 2010, 12:15:45 PM
Post by: divedog on April 03, 2010, 03:13:31 PM
Divedog- Yes, the unit is adjacent to Pacific beach......anywhere from a ten minute to a half hours drive will get you on the property.
Thanx, I have hunted for deer on the Rayonier land in that area ,just not sure what part of the GMU is designated by the map they hand out. Sounds like I should have put in for it. From what I saw last year hunting there, I believe there is some good size bear in that area. Good luck.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 03, 2010, 06:06:48 PM
Yes, a lessee can hunt his lease without the 100 permit IF he draws the WDFW permit.Thanks
They may get a reduced price or something on the 100 permit since they have a lease.....but that has yet to be decided....they are insured on the lease......but I don't know if that will apply on the rest of the hunt area.....the underwriters may require different insurance for the rest of the spring bear hunt area. I don't deal with the policy or politics of all that crap.....I get everything ready to kill the trees and build the roads.....and have been involved with the marketing and on the ground implementation of the lease program. Not sure what they will decide, but Mark knows the guy to talk to about it.
Post by: steelyonfly on April 05, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
mrgoodwrench said above that he wasn't sure what the price would be if one of our leaseholders was drawn for a spring bear permit and wanted to get an access permit to hunt spring bear on Rayonier lands outside of his lease.
As hunters have been drawn, I wanted to get this out ASAP ... if you are a member of a club with one of our leases (any lease area - not just in our Failor Lake lease area) then you only have to pay $50 for the access permit. This is only for current members of the club. Btw, our Failor Lake area leases are the only ones that we have inside the Copalis unit. Companions would still be no cost, but they need to come in for a companion permit.
Of course, if a club has a lease in the Failor Lake area then a member that drew the spring bear permit doesn't need an access permit to hunt on the club's lease.
I hope this helps.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 05, 2010, 08:19:20 PM
Post by: Caretaker on April 05, 2010, 10:49:53 PM
Caretaker
Post by: backwoods_boy on April 06, 2010, 09:41:03 AM
After giving it some thought I've decided to hunt Copalis this year, knuckle down and bite the $100 fee. I always have a blast there, one of my favorite places to unwind and have a relaxing hunt.
Caretaker
See ya there!
im heading over on the 15th at 5am to get permits and set up camp then start lookin for mr fuzzy!
Post by: steelyonfly on April 08, 2010, 09:10:11 AM
...Companions would still be no cost, but they need to come in for a companion permit. ...
Gentelmen, just to clarifiy something I said in my last post and in relation to a PM I got:
If you are a companion, the hunter can pick up the companion form for you without you coming in. Both of you must sign the companion form and it must be in our office before you go hunting. We need the record of everyone on our treefarm for insurance. If you can't make it in during business hours (don't forget, we will also be open this Saturday from 9am to 3pm for issuing permits, if that helps) you can put the form in our drop box. The drop box is located next to the back door of the office at the Southwest corner. I hope this helps and everyone has a great time.
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 05:50:35 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 08, 2010, 06:40:44 PM
I agree, hunters are doing the timber companies a favor, and there is no way they should be charging a fee. Yes they have every right to do so as it is private property and they can do with it as they wish, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 06:57:40 PM
Post by: kyle p on April 08, 2010, 07:02:18 PM
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 07:13:57 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 08, 2010, 07:47:45 PM
"We" are not doing them a favor. Actually "they" (timber companies) are doing F&W a "favor" in allowing us to hunt. F&W is giving us "opportunity".
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 08, 2010, 08:02:08 PM
It act as a deterrent to disrespectful outdoorsmen, and pays for clean-up.
Post by: bobcat on April 08, 2010, 08:03:40 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 08, 2010, 08:10:02 PM
I was not reffering to you, but you know all user groups have a few that are responsible for these actions..
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 08:10:55 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 08, 2010, 08:13:44 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 08, 2010, 08:18:01 PM
does anyone what my permit!!! i had a hard time two years ago paying 25 bucks to hunt spring bear im not paying 100 bucks to try and help a timber company limit the destruction of timber the bears cause. i feel that i am doing the timber company a favor hunting the bear. I was told the cost increase was do to insurance, whats next pay to hunt in general (deer,elk,bear,coguar......) season? As for now I will shoot a bear in August for free to help out the timber damage problems.
$100 is what you are complaining about? Yes, I have bitched about this high fee in the Copalis unit, but that is nothing.
I don't have all the facts yet, but it looks like the Lincoln is going to be shut down a couple days a week to allow hound hunting. YES, you read that right. :bash:
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 08:19:55 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 08, 2010, 08:22:54 PM
What I mean is, (I could be wrong) is that any area that charges hunters to get on their property, probably charges everybody
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 08:34:08 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 08, 2010, 08:36:58 PM
hey billy, it is a good thing for the hound dogs to hunt. the sooner the better. when the city folk find a second grader malled by another bear or cat maybe we can get some rules changed
Not a good thing. I did not apply for a hunt that would shut me out two days a week and make me compete with dogs.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 08, 2010, 08:40:19 PM
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I don't have all the facts yet, but it looks like the Lincoln is going to be shut down a couple days a week to allow hound hunting. YES, you read that right
Where did you hear that ???
That really cannot be good for us.... :bash:
and , r benn, you are complaining about access fees, and feel that it is alright for them to close our special permit season to allow them to run bears with hounds ??? WTF ???
I could understand AFTER our season, but during ???
and no maps to show damage areas...?? :bash:
Post by: bobcat on April 08, 2010, 08:43:44 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 08, 2010, 09:04:02 PM
I'll PM any names & #'s I have.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 08, 2010, 09:06:22 PM
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 09:13:21 PM
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 09:21:06 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 08, 2010, 09:25:47 PM
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stringbow, there is no acess fee other than spring bear huntingI wasn't sure, as I hunt public and Weyerhauser land, but I know that some private timber companies do charge, Kapowsin, Hancock, even Weyerhauser near North Bend.
But I don't know everything... :dunno:
Post by: billythekidrock on April 08, 2010, 09:29:30 PM
stringbow, there is no acess fee other than spring bear hunting
Yes, except the areas that are now off limits due to being leased.
Post by: kyle p on April 08, 2010, 09:30:15 PM
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 09:31:49 PM
as far as i know there is no fees in grays harbor, mason,or pacificQuotestringbow, there is no acess fee other than spring bear huntingI wasn't sure, as I hunt public and Weyerhauser land, but I know that some private timber companies do charge, Kapowsin, Hancock, even Weyerhauser near North Bend.
But I don't know everything... :dunno:
Post by: kyle p on April 08, 2010, 09:34:03 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 08, 2010, 09:34:27 PM
but I would pay $100 to keep the hound hunters out, and be allowed to camp in unit (even though I live here)
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 09:38:03 PM
As I said, I don't know everything...you can camp at my place for free
but I would pay $100 to keep the hound hunters out, and be allowed to camp in unit (even though I live here)
Post by: kyle p on April 08, 2010, 09:44:51 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 08, 2010, 09:46:00 PM
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 09:50:01 PM
Post by: kyle p on April 08, 2010, 09:51:21 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 08, 2010, 09:51:37 PM
Post by: kyle p on April 08, 2010, 09:53:20 PM
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 09:53:34 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 08, 2010, 09:54:11 PM
Sorry for the confusion, I was drawn for the LINCOLN UNIT 501, not Copalis, I get to deal with no map, not sure what days are open, not sure what portion of unit is open, and hound hunters, not the one where you pay to hunt.
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 09:57:25 PM
Post by: kyle p on April 08, 2010, 09:58:34 PM
Post by: rb2506 on April 08, 2010, 10:02:01 PM
As I said, I don't know everything...wants wrong with hound hunting
but I would pay $100 to keep the hound hunters out, and be allowed to camp in unit (even though I live here)
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 09, 2010, 05:27:15 AM
As I said, I don't know everything...wants wrong with hound hunting
but I would pay $100 to keep the hound hunters out, and be allowed to camp in unit (even though I live here)
Nothing!! That is until you manipulate the boot hunters and put them in the middle of the hound hunt area to stir things up. >:(
Post by: billythekidrock on April 09, 2010, 05:43:12 AM
As I said, I don't know everything...wants wrong with hound hunting
but I would pay $100 to keep the hound hunters out, and be allowed to camp in unit (even though I live here)
Nothing!! That is until you manipulate the boot hunters and put them in the middle of the hound hunt area to stir things up. >:(
I agree.
There is nothing wrong with hound hunting and I think the rules need to change, but this is basically a bait and switch. The regs say the season is from April 15th to May 15th. It says nothing about not being able to hunt during that time. I applied for a permit to hunt anytime that I could during that time frame. Now if they let us hunt on the same days as the hound guys then I would be better.
Post by: bobcat on April 09, 2010, 09:04:41 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on April 10, 2010, 10:28:33 PM
Am I confused or did this "Spring Bear Hunt on Copalis" thread get hijacked?:jacked:
Post by: billythekidrock on April 11, 2010, 05:12:53 AM
Am I confused or did this "Spring Bear Hunt on Copalis" thread get hijacked?:jacked:
Yes.....Lets get this back on topic.
Just a reminder that this unit is West of 101 and to stay off the rez.