Post by: Dillon on April 02, 2010, 03:15:12 PM
What are the rules ? just wondering , like the specifics and the techinicalitys
Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2010, 03:16:26 PM
Post by: Dillon on April 02, 2010, 03:19:11 PM
i was looking around but there was no clear answer to it so i knew some one on here had to know.
Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2010, 03:21:56 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 02, 2010, 03:24:41 PM
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Night Hunting and Hound Hunting
During Deer and Elk Hunting Seasons
Bobcat, raccoon, and coyote may be hunted at night during established bobcat and raccoon seasons, EXCEPT that it is unlawful to hunt any wildlife at night or wild animals with dogs (hounds) during the months of September, October, or November in any area open to a centerfire rifle deer or elk season. The use of hounds to hunt black bear, cougar, bobcat, or coyote is prohibited year round except during commission authorized hunts.
Post by: bobcat on April 02, 2010, 03:29:33 PM
Post by: Snowman on April 02, 2010, 03:32:34 PM
After re-reading the quote from the regulations I posted, it sounds like it is saying you can only hunt coyotes at night during bobcat and raccoon season? If that is true, you could only hunt coyotes at night until March 15th.
That is correct after march 15th no night hunting for yotes sucks big time.
Post by: bobcat on April 02, 2010, 03:40:07 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2010, 03:41:35 PM
Post by: Machias on April 02, 2010, 05:01:41 PM
Post by: Bofire on April 02, 2010, 05:26:06 PM
A group from PM sent in a request and got no response, they forwarded the request to a senator or Rep and they pushed it. the response is that restriction only applied to night hunting bobcats. The big game part is true you cant do it then. BUT I cannot find the thread!!
Carl
Post by: Snowman on April 02, 2010, 05:29:48 PM
Post by: Bofire on April 02, 2010, 05:42:07 PM
help???
Carl
Post by: Snowman on April 02, 2010, 05:48:15 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 02, 2010, 05:51:18 PM
Exceptions:
(a) Bobcat and raccoon are exempt from hunting hour restrictions during established bobcat and raccoon seasons except when that area is open to modern firearm hunting of deer or elk, hunting hours shall be one-half hour before sunrise to one-half hour after sunset."
Coyotes are not explicitly mentioned in this WAC. The Big Game pamphlet says coyotes may be hunted at night during bobcat and raccoon seasons, but it does not state anywhere that you cannot hunt them at night, with the exception of areas open to big game hunting in Sep-Nov.
Remember this disclaimer about the game pamphlet(s): "This pamphlet is a summary of the hunting regulations and seasons adopted by the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission. This pamphlet does not contain nor is it intended to contain all Department regulations. Regulations specific to the hunting seasons described in this pamphlet are found in Sections 232-28-248 through 232-28-516, and 232-12-001 through 232-12-830, of the Washington Administrative Code."
Coyotes are not considered a game animal.
I would say it is legal, with the exception of big game seasons.
I don't know the specific officers mentioned, but I have had several instances where different enforcement officers interpret the WACs and regulations differently.
Post by: wastickslinger on April 02, 2010, 05:54:37 PM
Post by: Bofire on April 02, 2010, 07:13:43 PM
Carl
now somebody say " call the local PD and advise him ahead of time," save him a trip to investigate and you a screwed up stand. Let him know where you are hunting
Carl
Post by: Machias on April 02, 2010, 07:19:05 PM
Post by: mulehunter on April 02, 2010, 07:24:18 PM
"Bobcat, raccoon, and coyote may be hunted at night during established bobcat and raccoon seasons" I believe this will get you a ticket outside of bobcat and raccoon season. :twocents:
:yeah: IMPORTANT THING NUMBER ONE! BRING YOUR DANM SMALL LICENSE and HUNTING LICENSE! ;) Gamefish Officer will TRY EVERYTHING TO FIND A WAY TO TICKET U!
Mulehunter
Post by: jasnt on April 04, 2010, 11:47:35 AM
Post by: grundy53 on April 04, 2010, 09:33:42 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 04, 2010, 11:39:46 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2010/wsr_10-08-016.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2010/wsr_10-08-016.pdf)
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2010, 07:44:17 AM
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Reasons why rules on this subject may be needed and what they might accomplish: Nighttime hunting poses greater risks to public safety than ever before, due to population growth and habitat loss. The department will limit nighttime hunting to very specific times and places, to better ensure the public’s safety.
I wonder what "habitat loss" has to do with it ??? I understand what they're saying, just seems like an odd way of wording it.
Post by: Curly on April 05, 2010, 08:16:48 AM
Interesting.QuoteReasons why rules on this subject may be needed and what they might accomplish: Nighttime hunting poses greater risks to public safety than ever before, due to population growth and habitat loss. The department will limit nighttime hunting to very specific times and places, to better ensure the public’s safety.
I wonder what "habitat loss" has to do with it ??? I understand what they're saying, just seems like an odd way of wording it.
Care to explain then.......cuz I don't understand what the hell they're saying.
I can read between the lines though......they hate predator hunting. :bash:
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2010, 08:58:33 AM
Which, by the way, didn't this just happen recently in another state? A person was mistaken for a coyote and was shot by someone who was hunting at night. I think the story was posted on here. Perhaps that incident is the reason for the proposed changes to our night time hunting laws.
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2010, 09:51:40 AM
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2010, 09:54:45 AM
Post by: Skycruiser on April 05, 2010, 01:27:05 PM
Contact Lori Preuss, WDFW Rules Coordinator, 600 Capitol Way, N., Olympia, WA 98501-1091
Phone (360) 902-2930; e-mail at Lori.preuss@dfw.wa.gov.
Contact by June 9, 2010.
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2010, 01:50:32 PM
For now this is all we know:
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The department will limit nighttime hunting to very specific times and places, to better ensure the public’s safety.
I suppose the thing to do would be to write and ask for some more clarification as to what exactly will the changes be?
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2010, 02:41:49 PM
Post by: Snowman on April 05, 2010, 03:02:25 PM
Post by: Skycruiser on April 05, 2010, 03:07:12 PM
Lori,
I'm very concerned that the department has predetermined its course of action because of the following sentence in the Statement of Inquiry. "The department will limit nighttime hunting to very specific times and places, to better ensure the public’s safety."
There is no reason that night hunting needs any further restrictions in regards to times and places. In fact, this is a solution without a problem and hunters like myself resent it. We continue to see our hunting fees increase and hunting become more restrictive.
The only restriction that might be justifiable, if indeed the justification is public safety, would be to make night time hunting shotgun only. I'm not in favor of this, I only mention it as an alternative to restricting times and places.
Please leave the night time hunting regulations alone.
Thanks,
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2010, 03:12:03 PM
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2010, 03:29:12 PM
Post by: Snowman on April 05, 2010, 03:29:37 PM
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2010, 03:40:14 PM
Post by: tlbradford on April 05, 2010, 04:07:41 PM
I agree Machias. I haven't heard of one night hunting incident, but the recent major ones were daytime accidental shootings.
Post by: Snowman on April 05, 2010, 04:27:51 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 05, 2010, 04:33:32 PM
due to that specific line saying you can only hunt them at night during the open coon and robert season.It does not say that. It says you can hunt them at night during bobcat and racoon season. It does not say you cannot hunt them at night at other times, with the exception of any open deer or elk season, or during the months of Sep-Nov.
"Bobcat, raccoon, and coyote may be hunted at night during established bobcat and raccoon seasons"
I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. I'm just saying the regulations are vague.
Post by: Snowman on April 05, 2010, 04:41:28 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2010, 04:44:30 PM
They are vague. But made a few calls today an I was informed that it is open year around at night for yotes, by the guys in oly. and my local wardens. So hunt on...
And that's just as it should be. Sounds like fun. I think I just might go try some night hunting, before they outlaw it. Maybe this weekend. Too bad bobcats aren't still open.
Post by: Snowman on April 05, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 05, 2010, 04:59:07 PM
Here is the WAC listing game animals: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=232-12-007 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=232-12-007)
Bobcat and racoon are game animals; coyote is not.
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2010, 05:28:42 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2010, 06:07:54 PM
Post by: mulehunter on April 05, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
Mulehunter :chuckle:
Post by: Skycruiser on April 06, 2010, 11:18:51 AM
Thank you for your comments. This preproposal inquiry is just that: To find out if the public has any preliminary comments on the subject. We have not yet formulated any changes to our nighttime hunting rule, and we may not change anything at all. If we do, you will see it on the Internet at our Website on June 23rd, and you will be able to testify at the Fish and Wildlife Commission meeting in August if you want to. Again, we haven’t done anything at this point, and we may decide to scrap any changes. I’ll keep you updated.
Lori
I'm heartened to see that at least there is a process which will include public input and that this issue isn't even on the docket just yet. I'm hopeful it will just go away. If I receive any further info, I'll post it here.