Post by: RockChuck on April 04, 2010, 10:39:55 AM
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Post by: bobcat on April 04, 2010, 10:52:08 AM
http://www.compasseco.com/tech-force-tech-force-caliber-rifles-c-1_34_182.html (http://www.compasseco.com/tech-force-tech-force-caliber-rifles-c-1_34_182.html)
The Tech Force air rifles are Chinese made, and are supposed to be ok for the money. There's a lot of information on that site too that you can read.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 04, 2010, 11:03:48 AM
Post by: seaduckhunter on April 04, 2010, 11:11:43 AM
thats a little sheap for 1000+ you can get a good gamo for like 150.00 they are nice guns i sold mine awhile agoId spend a little extra and get the Gamo
Post by: RockChuck on April 04, 2010, 11:27:05 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 04, 2010, 11:33:02 AM
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=3&loadNo=0038 (http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=3&loadNo=0038)
Post by: RockChuck on April 06, 2010, 07:07:49 PM
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Post by: NWHydroprint on April 06, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Here are a .308cal pellet gun and 50 cal. Now these are cool pellet guns
NWH
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Post by: BIGINNER on April 07, 2010, 07:39:48 AM
I don't mean to throw cold water on anyone, but remember that air guns are not legal for hunting in Washington.
are they illegal for varmit controll arounf the yard? that all i use mine for.
Post by: demontang on April 07, 2010, 07:45:50 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 07, 2010, 07:47:58 AM
I picked up a Gamo and couldn't shoot a tight group at 18 yards. They are cheap. Called Gamo and they said to make sure the front screw was tight or the barrel would not line up left to right. It also has issues lining up vertical. Get a fixed barrel bottom cock or side for best accuracy. Sold the Gamo.thats a little sheap for 1000+ you can get a good gamo for like 150.00 they are nice guns i sold mine awhile agoId spend a little extra and get the Gamo
Post by: WildfireArcher on April 08, 2010, 12:52:42 PM
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Post by: wabow on May 17, 2010, 11:47:08 AM
I don't mean to throw cold water on anyone, but remember that air guns are not legal for hunting in Washington.
Not to just dig up and old thread but thought I would clarify this. They are legal to hunt small game in WA only requirement is a small game license even when shooting varmits in your yard. Also they are not a firearm as Ive see suggested here.
Don
Post by: BIGINNER on May 17, 2010, 11:49:00 AM
I don't mean to throw cold water on anyone, but remember that air guns are not legal for hunting in Washington.
Not to just dig up and old thread but thought I would clarify this. They are legal to hunt small game in WA only requirement is a small game license even when shooting varmits in your yard. Also they are not a firearm as Ive see suggested here.
Don
LOL DON'T WORRY WE WON'T REPORT YOUR WIFE FOR HUNTING BUNNIES WITH A PELLOT GUN..LOL :chuckle:
Post by: wabow on May 17, 2010, 11:53:29 AM
I don't mean to throw cold water on anyone, but remember that air guns are not legal for hunting in Washington.
Not to just dig up and old thread but thought I would clarify this. They are legal to hunt small game in WA only requirement is a small game license even when shooting varmits in your yard. Also they are not a firearm as Ive see suggested here.
Don
LOL DON'T WORRY WE WON'T REPORT YOUR WIFE FOR HUNTING BUNNIES WITH A PELLOT GUN..LOL :chuckle:
:) Just thought I'd clarify. I love hunting with mine and wouldnt want anyone to miss out on the fun due to misinformation.
Don
Post by: sako223 on May 17, 2010, 12:20:32 PM
• Hunt game birds or game animals with
anything other than a firearm, a bow and
arrow, or by falconry.
Furthermore even small game and crows have seasons.
11. Prohibited firearms/hunting methods
It is illegal to:
• Hunt game birds with a shotgun capable
of holding more than three shells.
• Hunt game birds with a rifle or pistol,
except forest grouse.
• Hunt game birds or game animals with
anything other than a firearm, a bow and
arrow, or by falconry. Bullfrogs may only
be taken by angling, hand dip netting,
gigging, and bow and arrow.
• Hunt game animals or game birds with a
shotgun larger than 10 gauge.
• Hunt wildlife with a crossbow, except
in firearm restriction areas. However,
disabled hunter permittees in possession
of a crossbow special use permit may
hunt with a crossbow in any season that
allows archery equipment.
• Hunt wildlife with a fully automatic firearm.
Post by: wabow on May 17, 2010, 12:39:47 PM
The 2010 regs state on page 66 that it is illegal to,
Call F&G they will tell you otherwise and put in writing if you desire as will WSP regarding wether or not they are a firearm. You just have to obey the laws regarding season and the ARE legal. F&G phone guy says they plan on adding air guns to the regs possibly next year due to the amount of calls they get regarding legality.
Don
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on May 17, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 17, 2010, 01:46:27 PM
Go for it, Don. I tend to go by the WACs and RCWs. (And yes, even the enforcement officers I've spoken with say it is illegal. Maybe they're wrong also, but they write the citations).The 2010 regs state on page 66 that it is illegal to,
Call F&G they will tell you otherwise and put in writing if you desire as will WSP regarding wether or not they are a firearm. You just have to obey the laws regarding season and the ARE legal. F&G phone guy says they plan on adding air guns to the regs possibly next year due to the amount of calls they get regarding legality.
Don
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010)
(7) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
Post by: wabow on May 17, 2010, 02:17:58 PM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010)
(7) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
Yup air is not explosive thus why they are not a firearm and non regulated and why purchase age is only 16.
Don
Post by: bobcat on May 17, 2010, 02:25:30 PM
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• Hunt game birds or game animals with
anything other than a firearm, a bow and
arrow, or by falconry.
So, since air rifles are NOT considered to be a firearm, according to the law, they are not legal to hunt game birds or game animals. Just like a sling shot is not legal for grouse. Another law that doesn't make sense but the law is the law.
Post by: wabow on May 17, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
This would be the key sentence:Quote• Hunt game birds or game animals with
anything other than a firearm, a bow and
arrow, or by falconry.
So, since air rifles are NOT considered to be a firearm, according to the law, they are not legal to hunt game birds or game animals. Just like a sling shot is not legal for grouse. Another law that doesn't make sense but the law is the law.
There is a written rule or law that the F&G sites if you ask them whether or not you can use a air gun. Its not in the regs. I'll see if I can find my letter if not I'll get another.
Don
Post by: bobcat on May 17, 2010, 02:38:09 PM
Post by: Hillbilly270 on May 17, 2010, 02:50:25 PM
Post by: Curly on May 17, 2010, 02:54:09 PM
so if Air Guns/Rifles are NOT firearms, why did my brother in law get arrested for illegal discharge of a firearm in city limits? got handcuffed and all.
Probably because the police don't know all the laws either.........
Post by: BIGINNER on May 17, 2010, 02:55:53 PM
so if Air Guns/Rifles are NOT firearms, why did my brother in law get arrested for illegal discharge of a firearm in city limits? got handcuffed and all.
HEY I GOT ARRESTED FOR THE SAME THING,.... WELL HANDCUFFED AND PUT THE THE COPCAR. SAT A LITTLE UNTILL THE OFFICERS WERE DONE TALKING, THEN THEY RELEASED ME..
Post by: Bob33 on May 17, 2010, 03:12:08 PM
His reply: "Hi Bob, Yes air rifles are illegal for hunting in WA."
Post by: 270Shooter on May 17, 2010, 03:17:06 PM
For what it's worth, I emailed Sgt. Anderson of WDFW Enforcement in Olympia this afternoon. I asked him "are air guns illegal for hunting in Washington?"Then I've been breaking the law for a long time
His reply: "Hi Bob, Yes air rifles are illegal for hunting in WA."
Post by: brett123 on May 17, 2010, 03:25:50 PM
lots of birds died round the farm from the old crossman :chuckle:For what it's worth, I emailed Sgt. Anderson of WDFW Enforcement in Olympia this afternoon. I asked him "are air guns illegal for hunting in Washington?"Then I've been breaking the law for a long time
His reply: "Hi Bob, Yes air rifles are illegal for hunting in WA."
Post by: 270Shooter on May 17, 2010, 03:26:59 PM
Post by: 509er on May 17, 2010, 03:37:25 PM
Post by: sako223 on May 17, 2010, 03:37:46 PM
One surprise is that you are required to obtain a permit to kill robins during depredation. I think the permit was only good for 25 birds.
Post by: bobcat on May 17, 2010, 03:52:02 PM
Post by: wabow on May 17, 2010, 03:53:59 PM
For what it's worth, I emailed Sgt. Anderson of WDFW Enforcement in Olympia this afternoon. I asked him "are air guns illegal for hunting in Washington?"
His reply: "Hi Bob, Yes air rifles are illegal for hunting in WA."
I just got off the phone with them. You must be more liked than me. I just got the normal auto reply stating we will get back to you within 5 days. I just talked to 5 different people at F&G enforcement from oly all the way over to district one. They all say the same and consulted each other. If the game is unregulated meaning no bag limit/managed or is a varmit like a rat or mole there is no weapons restriction but you need a license. All stated they would probably ticket if you were shooting coyote due to their larger size and lack of weapon power to make a clean kill. Sounds to me like they need to get their story straight.
The director of the olympia office states that although the regs state one thing there is no rcw to go along with the regulation thus is subject to interpretation lacking enforcement. They will have a letter on their stationary typed and printed for me to pick up clarifying the rule. I will ask if I can scan and post it online when I pick it up later this week or next.
Don
Post by: sako223 on May 17, 2010, 04:30:17 PM
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Robins? Depredation of what?
Robins are hell on cherries. they will sit and take a peck out of most cherries in reach ruining many times what they consume.
You have to get a permit from the USDA. Can only guess that this is because the robin is a state bird down south.
Post by: FC on May 17, 2010, 09:02:39 PM
It was probably the most fun gun I have ever owned.
Post by: wabow on May 18, 2010, 09:56:13 AM
Crows are predatory birds not game birds and are not subject to the firearm restriction as are starlings. Eastern gray squirrels are not classified but are non native and are not subject to the restriction or RCW 77.15.140. Coyotes are not a game animal per Title 232 of the Washington administrative code are not subject to the firearm restriction they are however non classified and permission is given to hunt by the commission. Most Rabbit's are either a game animal, endangered or protected see title 232.
You are free to hunt with an air rifle any classified native species not listed in Title 232 as game or furbearing.
Don
Post by: Bob33 on May 18, 2010, 01:52:15 PM
Post by: wabow on May 18, 2010, 03:32:47 PM
I wonder about coyotes since you need a license to hunt them.
They have to require a license just like crows irregardless. Hunting of any kind in the state of WA is a Recreational License Required Activity per RCW 77.32.010.
Don
Post by: Bob33 on May 18, 2010, 03:46:21 PM
Post by: rasbo on May 18, 2010, 03:48:22 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 18, 2010, 03:51:14 PM
Post by: sako223 on May 18, 2010, 03:54:55 PM
First thing I know from the regs is that there is a season on crows and none on starlings. Except depredation which there is even a clause in the federal protection of magpies.
I believe Oregon has airgun specific guidelines including caliber limits for game. This is what we need to see. There are airguns small or big enough for each species even for big game.
As it stands there is a lot of gray area, which usually ends up costing the hunter.
Post by: bobcat on May 18, 2010, 04:00:56 PM
Why not a 177 or 22 caliber air rifle for grouse or rabbits?
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on May 18, 2010, 04:05:37 PM
Post by: wabow on May 18, 2010, 04:15:20 PM
As it stands there is a lot of gray area, which usually ends up costing the hunter.
They have to cite an rcw, wac or municode to issue the citation.
Don
Post by: Bob33 on May 18, 2010, 04:20:18 PM
(a) It is not legal to hunt game birds or game animals in Washington with an air rifle.
(b) It is legal to hunt non game animals and non game birds (predatory birds) with an air rifle.
(c) The laws do not make complete sense, because many air rifles are quite capable.
(d) The laws are misunderstand by many, including a significant number of enforcement officers.
"Buyer beware".
Post by: denali on May 18, 2010, 07:14:31 PM
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=3&loadNo=0038 (http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=3&loadNo=0038)
Thanks for the advice and link Bobcat, picked up some CCI 22 short CB's for my single shot Ithica - 700 FPS and very quiet