Post by: duckaholic on April 04, 2010, 08:35:40 PM
here is my mossberg 500 cruiser. it is loaded with 2 3/4'' 00 buck.
Post by: chrisb on April 04, 2010, 08:44:24 PM
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 04, 2010, 09:31:11 PM
For me, CZ75D Compact with 14+1 of TAP.
If *censored* gets weird, "Big Mama Natalia" (Yugo AK-47) with Golden Bear surplus ammo comes out.
Post by: shaneman153D on April 05, 2010, 12:05:00 AM
Post by: woodswalker on April 05, 2010, 01:58:53 AM
Post by: rasbo on April 05, 2010, 04:22:10 AM
Post by: Huntbear on April 05, 2010, 06:06:26 AM
12 gauge shorty and a 357..and yrs of penned up anger
From moles digging in his front yard! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: alan on April 05, 2010, 07:36:33 AM
Post by: alan on April 05, 2010, 07:38:40 AM
Post by: Elk-aholic on April 05, 2010, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: Hunterman on April 05, 2010, 08:19:23 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: Gobble on April 05, 2010, 08:35:48 AM
1911 Springfield on my headboard..
+1 .45 acp
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: MikeWalking on April 05, 2010, 08:51:55 AM
Post by: saylean on April 05, 2010, 09:02:23 AM
Post by: ADAMS on April 05, 2010, 09:54:13 AM
Does the Hi-Power mag hold 17?
We have a very effective home defense system that includes a dog, lots of screaming and a naked fat man running down the stairs firing a .357.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on April 05, 2010, 10:03:04 AM
But then again, there could be a 45acp at the ready at any time too.
-Steve
Post by: robescc on April 05, 2010, 04:31:00 PM
ahh ya, .44 snub revolver 4 me :), i want my cdpII :'( lol
I have a cdpII and wouldn't trust my life on it for anything. If you want a cdp, get the original and not the II. You can find them on gunbroker and well worth the extra money.
Post by: Huntbear on April 05, 2010, 05:53:24 PM
We have a very effective home defense system that includes a dog, lots of screaming and a naked fat man running down the stairs firing a .357.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Bofire on April 05, 2010, 06:31:22 PM
We'll give the bast**ds a rumble. :chuckle:
Carl
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on April 05, 2010, 08:03:29 PM
Tstar77 and I joke that between us and a couple friends, we could probably hold off the Chinamen till the calvary arives if they come by way of Canada. We've joked about taking over Canada by ourselves a time or two also. :dunno: :chuckle: :dunno:
-Steve
Post by: high country on April 05, 2010, 08:09:28 PM
Post by: rasbo on April 05, 2010, 08:12:39 PM
Meaner than Benny the chihuahua (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJbay3TT_YM#)
Post by: Cylvertip on April 05, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
Post by: machine on April 06, 2010, 10:00:23 PM
Post by: alan on April 09, 2010, 09:22:25 PM
ahh ya, .44 snub revolver 4 me :), i want my cdpII :'( lol
I have a cdpII and wouldn't trust my life on it for anything. If you want a cdp, get the original and not the II. You can find them on gunbroker and well worth the extra money.
how much for yours lol
Post by: Caretaker on April 09, 2010, 09:58:10 PM
Post by: alecvg on April 09, 2010, 10:24:58 PM
Post by: Ranger91298 on April 09, 2010, 11:13:00 PM
Post by: Caseyd on April 10, 2010, 12:58:06 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on April 10, 2010, 06:37:45 AM
Why don't you go ask him...? :chuckle:
Post by: Jerbear on April 10, 2010, 08:31:40 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 10, 2010, 08:53:55 AM
If that doesn't work within the first 0.01 seconds, I will fear for my life and fill them with 125gr semi-jacketed +p hollowpoints. After I reload, I will watch for signs of life, especially hostile movements. I will maintain cover over them until the boys in blue arrive.
Before they come through the door I will be yelling to alert them to my presence and that I am the homeowner, my firearm will not be visible, and I will be on my knees with both hands open and high above my head. I will expect to stare down multiple muzzles and immediately comply with their shouted orders. I will not object to being pushed down and cuffed up until they secure the residence and assess the situation. I will not expect them to automatically know I am the righteous, lawful homeowner and that the dead guy(s) are the bad ones.
Post by: rasbo on April 10, 2010, 09:04:41 AM
Jerry that right there would make me think twice about entering the premises,knowing the harm she has done to tens of thousands of hard working folk
Post by: Shadow Cat on April 10, 2010, 09:33:44 AM
Comments on Using Handloads for Self-Defense
By John Ross
Many shooters who reload ask about the best recipes for self-defense loads for use in their carry guns. Certain defensive-shooting writers, most notably Massad Ayoob, advise against using any handloaded ammunition for this purpose. They paint a picture of a prosecutor demonizing the shooter for wanting to craft special ammo even deadlier and with more maiming ability than what the factories produce. The single exception Ayoob listed (and here he was tepid in his endorsement) was for someone who needed a defensive load in a powerful, deep-penetrating caliber like the .44 Magnum. To avoid overpenetration and injuring others with a shoot-through, a less-powerful loading than factory fodder might be appropriate.
The instance of a prosecutor going after a citizen for using handloads in a defensive shooting has not actually happened anywhere that anyone can document. The Internet discussion boards call it an “urban legend from Massad Ayoob,” which is maybe not fair to Ayoob. I don’t think Massad ever claimed a specific case where it had happened, only that it could.
There is one area where handloads have caused problems for investigators, and ironically it is mild loads like the kind mentioned above that are most likely to get the shooter in trouble. This is in those cases where there's a serious dispute about how far away the shooter was from the shootee when he pulled the trigger. Forensic experts can pin this distance down very accurately if they have the gun used and identical factory ammo. Handloads, though, can vary widely depending on powder type and pressure level. Obviously, if forensics have samples of identical ammo, like the unfired rounds still in your gun, there should be no problem, although three or four samples may not be enough to perform the needed tests. But what if you've emptied your gun? How do you prove the stuff on your loading bench is the same as the rounds you touched off? The truth is, you can’t.
Theoretical problem area: You whip up a batch of low-recoil, mild .44 loads with low blast signature, for lower recoil and to prevent overpenetration. You encounter a group of would-be attackers, strung out on whatever is that day's drug of choice, who are out "wilding" (which is what happened to the Central Park Jogger.) They ignore your demands to stop and drop their contact weapons (pipes etc.). They keep coming and you finally pop the closest ones at 7-10 feet, firing all 6 rounds at these two who keep pressing the attack as the third and fourth flee. Thug 1 is dead, Thug 2 crippled but alive, Thugs 3 and 4 free for now until Thug 2 tells the police who they are.
Because of your light load, the residue on the clothing of the dead and wounded is almost undetectable, similar to what a factory magnum load would generate at, say, 20 feet.
Will Al Sharpton get involved? Will Thugs 2, 3,and 4 claim they were over 20 feet away and on their way to church service when you opened fire on them? Will they all agree you screamed a racial epithet at them and when they turned to see who the Klansman was, you just started blasting? Will police say that if you thought they were a threat you should have retreated? Will they say you fired too soon? The likeliest testimony from forensics will be "Based on the forensic evidence, we can't say with any confidence how far Mr. Citizen was from Mr. Thug when he shot him. It may have been a few feet, but it may have been over 20. We don't know."
A prosecutor arguing that a defendant misused lethal force by creating extra-powerful handloads is an imaginative "what if" that has never actually happened in a courtroom. A prosecutor arguing that a defendant misused lethal force because he shot someone who was far enough away that he was not an immediate threat is a very real argument that has been presented to juries on many occasions.
John Ross 12/12/2003
Post by: jackelope on April 10, 2010, 09:41:57 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 10, 2010, 09:45:52 AM
:)
Post by: rasbo on April 10, 2010, 10:10:52 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 10, 2010, 10:30:06 AM
Post by: Deep Forks on April 10, 2010, 11:42:53 PM
At arms length: Kimber Crimson Carry II, 5" 45acp
Close enough: Mossberg JIC Cruiser 12ga 1 chamber, 6 tubed
Wife: Springfield XD 9mm 4" Crimson Carry
The writing style is dated, but I highly recommend anyone contemplating use of firearms for self-defense read Massad Ayoob's In the Gravest Extreme. It could easily keep you out of jail.Very good reading :)
Post by: duckaholic on April 10, 2010, 11:57:00 PM
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Post by: Kent Hunter on April 13, 2010, 07:15:27 PM