Post by: billythekidrock on April 09, 2010, 04:01:23 PM
1. Packets are very late.
2. WeyCo shutting Lincoln hunters out a couple days a week.
3. Hound hunting in the unit while the spring permit season is in session.
I was told that I could send my permit back to the 600 Capitol Way address, postmarked before the 15th, and I could have my points re-instated.
When asked if he had heard much of the same, he said yes. Lots of people are not happy. He stated that the F&W is providing "opportunity" but that they are still bound by the rules of the landowner. He also said we should be getting a letter soon with an email address to online education tools.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 09, 2010, 05:03:29 PM
So I might be turkey hunting a few days a week instead of bear hunting......
If I hear any hounds chasing bears in the area, :dunno:,........but will be turkey hunting....
If you think that makes me a poacher, I will repeat, I will be turkey hunting, not bear hunting.
The area is open for Turkeys 7 days a week April 15th until May 31st....
And unless I receive something in the mail telling me otherwise, Bear season is Weyerhaeuser land in unit 501 April 15th until June 15th, as my permit states.
The way things have been regarding communication, we will get the info sometime in June.....
Post by: bonecrusher on April 09, 2010, 06:39:52 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 09, 2010, 06:50:06 PM
Post by: LongTatLaw on April 09, 2010, 07:13:57 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 09, 2010, 07:18:58 PM
Even though I am unhappy, I will keep my permit, as I have spent too much time scouting (heading out as soon as I post this) and did have a good opportunity last spring while turkey hunting in unit....
So I might be turkey hunting a few days a week instead of bear hunting......
If I hear any hounds chasing bears in the area, :dunno:,........but will be turkey hunting....
If you think that makes me a poacher, I will repeat, I will be turkey hunting, not bear hunting.
The area is open for Turkeys 7 days a week April 15th until May 31st....
And unless I receive something in the mail telling me otherwise, Bear season is Weyerhaeuser land in unit 501 April 15th until June 15th, as my permit states.
The way things have been regarding communication, we will get the info sometime in June.....
Technically your permit states, "Open on days designated by Weyerhaeuser between APR 15 - June 15". It would be your responsibility to find out what those days are.
And "That portion of GMU 501 that is designated as the hunt area by Weyerhaeuser Company. So not all WeyCo land may be open and again, it would be your responsibility to find out what land is open.
Post by: bobcat on April 09, 2010, 07:29:56 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 09, 2010, 07:35:58 PM
Post by: kyle p on April 09, 2010, 08:35:31 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 09, 2010, 09:14:41 PM
I plan on Turkey hunting like I have for the last 3 years....
Accordind to their "forest Practices" division, green dot roads are open, stay away from active logging.
I am in the area I was informed was open, both by weyerhauser and WDFW, I would take the ticket to court...
Unless informed otherwise I would have a valid case......
Post by: bobcat on April 09, 2010, 09:16:39 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 09, 2010, 09:27:11 PM
Hi Michael, In order to handle the hundreds of inquiries we receive each year regarding hunting and recreational access on Weyerhaeuser property we have set up a Public Access Hotline.
The hotline explains our recreational access policies and rules. There is also specific information, by tree farm, of what areas are open and closed for public access.
This hotline is updated regularly as necessary.
The hotline number in Washington is 1-866-636-6531. Thank you. -----
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Subject: Spring Tree Damage by Bears
Comments/Questions: I was lucky enough to be drawn for a spring bear permit here in Washington state, unit 501 Lincoln.Unfortunately I have no information from your company on where the damage areas are, or where the open area is. Who can I contact for this information.?
Post by: FullDraw on April 10, 2010, 09:04:49 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 10, 2010, 09:16:22 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 10, 2010, 09:18:41 AM
My permit states that the open season is April 15th - June 15th:yeah:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 10, 2010, 09:25:48 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 10, 2010, 09:28:01 AM
Spend the other days looking for a bear......
Should be O.K.....
I wonder if they will be feeding any ?
Post by: rasbo on April 10, 2010, 09:43:25 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 10, 2010, 09:58:07 AM
Now that I spent some time cooling off and thinking about it, I really am glad that I have a bear tag and season in addition to the fall hunt.
They put some restrictions on it, but it is still more than I had before...
As far as not having a map to tell me where the damage is occurring (Lincoln) :dunno:
If WH doesn't want me to know where they need help preventing damage, who am I to complain ?
I have a pretty good idea where I can find a bear or two, and I only want one, so... :dunno:
I really just want info on the "rules" as to what days, and areas my permit allows me to legally harvest a bear.
I am calmer now and will be heading out in about half an hour to do some more scouting, and that will be therapy for my troubled soul....
Post by: rasbo on April 10, 2010, 10:04:38 AM
Post by: KillBilly on April 10, 2010, 10:12:45 AM
I know, I guess I got a little caught up in the whole thing.. :'(
Now that I spent some time cooling off and thinking about it, I really am glad that I have a bear tag and season in addition to the fall hunt.
They put some restrictions on it, but it is still more than I had before...
As far as not having a map to tell me where the damage is occurring (Lincoln) :dunno:
If WH doesn't want me to know where they need help preventing damage, who am I to complain ?
I have a pretty good idea where I can find a bear or two, and I only want one, so... :dunno:
I really just want info on the "rules" as to what days, and areas my permit allows me to legally harvest a bear.
I am calmer now and will be heading out in about half an hour to do some more scouting, and that will be therapy for my troubled soul....
It is becoming more common for WDFW to ask the private property owners if they will allow a spring bear hunt just so WDFW can offer opportunities. It is not so mudch for damage anymore. We talked to a forester and a road engineer in the Copalis a couple of years ago and they stated outright that they didn't have a damage problem. It was only open because WDFW had ask them.
This is also why they are charging more in some areas now.
Post by: bobcat on April 10, 2010, 10:42:06 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 10, 2010, 11:16:39 AM
, I know they feed in Vail.
Also the hunt in Capital forest was requested by DNR to address damage issues.
It really does not matter to me, I just want to know open areas, and dates......
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 10, 2010, 11:17:50 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 10, 2010, 11:22:41 AM
Post by: FullDraw on April 10, 2010, 01:13:57 PM
Post by: FullDraw on April 10, 2010, 01:21:36 PM
as the hunt area by participating commercial
timber landowners.
50 April 15-May 31 NEW
Fish and Game at its best!
Post by: bearmanric on April 10, 2010, 05:56:29 PM
Post by: markts on April 10, 2010, 06:00:20 PM
Once you call yours in you can come show me how to use all of the calls I have got from you :chuckle: Be safe and hope to see you soon Mark
Post by: billythekidrock on April 10, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
7017 Lincolna That portion of GMU 501 that is designated
as the hunt area by participating commercial
timber landowners.
50 April 15-May 31 NEW
Fish and Game at its best!
I am guessing that came from the regs pdf?
You have to realize that the area was not finalized by the time of printing.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 10, 2010, 09:24:40 PM
7017 Lincolna That portion of GMU 501 that is designated
as the hunt area by participating commercial
timber landowners.
50 April 15-May 31 NEW
Fish and Game at its best!
I am guessing that came from the regs pdf?
You have to realize that the area was not finalized by the time of printing.
And a year later, we're not sure it is yet :chuckle: :chuckle: If they don't charge $100, I'm still on. I'll do my scouting after the 15th :dunno: Hope to see everyone out there taking advantage of their opportunity :hello:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 10, 2010, 09:46:45 PM
I will probably be running around looking for a 09 Toyota Tundra slate grey says RRcalls in back window, so I can pick up a "secret weapon"
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on April 11, 2010, 09:17:44 AM
For 1 when I submited my hunt choices on the site the app made it through but the choices did not. I wanted Lincolon as a first and Kapowsin as a second. The guy from F&G that called me reversed them. So I was drawn for Kapowsin. I was only putting in for Kapowsin because BLKBEARKLR was.
I called and asked Hancock a week ago about who I could bring in. They said only someone with a pass or family. Well my husband is going out of town for a month on buisness so he is out. BLKBEARKLR has a pass but he has his little girl and can't just drop what he is doing to help me pack out a bear.
So if I want to hunt Kapowsin I am stuck doing everything by myself. Don't get me wrong I hunt 90% of the time by myself and I expect to do it by myself, BUT atleast when I am fall hunting I have the option of someoe coming to help.
Also it takes over an hour for me to get to the hunt area, + $100 permit, and I can't make a good hunt out of it and still be available to customers dropping of there bears. It doesn;t help I had to have a new fernace put in the house $8000 later.
Post by: bigtex on April 11, 2010, 09:58:58 AM
Also it takes over an hour for me to get to the hunt area, + $100 permit, and I can't make a good hunt out of it and still be available to customers dropping of there bears. It doesn;t help I had to have a new fernace put in the house $8000 later.
I don't want to sound like an AHOLE but I remember saying somewhere on this forum before the draw deadline that the permit was $100. It says in the hunting regs that there is a fee
So now that you were drawn you are mad you got to pay $100 and that you want to turn your permit in. DONT PUT IN FOR PERMITS YOU DONT WANT! IT MAKES THOSE OF US WHO WILL PAY THE $100 AND ARE NOT DRAWN UPSET! I know three people who put in for Kapowsin were not drawn and I come on this website and people are talking about turning their permits in. RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SELECT YOUR HUNTS!!!
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 11, 2010, 11:12:07 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on April 11, 2010, 01:45:24 PM
Also it takes over an hour for me to get to the hunt area, + $100 permit, and I can't make a good hunt out of it and still be available to customers dropping of there bears. It doesn;t help I had to have a new fernace put in the house $8000 later.
I don't want to sound like an AHOLE but I remember saying somewhere on this forum before the draw deadline that the permit was $100. It says in the hunting regs that there is a fee
So now that you were drawn you are mad you got to pay $100 and that you want to turn your permit in. DONT PUT IN FOR PERMITS YOU DONT WANT! IT MAKES THOSE OF US WHO WILL PAY THE $100 AND ARE NOT DRAWN UPSET! I know three people who put in for Kapowsin were not drawn and I come on this website and people are talking about turning their permits in. RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SELECT YOUR HUNTS!!!
I really don't care if you are pissed or not. Who said I was mad about getting drawn or paying for a $100 pass? A little put out that I didn't draw Lincolon. Not put out enough I wouldn't hunt Kapowsin.
I'll tell you why I am mad. I am mad that when we bought this house the Heat and A/C was supposed to be service and instected by the previous owner. They said it was in "excellent condition". We have nickled this thing through the winter. $1000 of service later and it going out again (Monday) and causing our electric bill to double (all winter) we had to have it replaced.
I knew there was a fee to hunt Kapowsin before I put in for the draw. That it cost $100 was on the low end of I don't care's. The problem I have to face is that we just dropped $8000+ to replace the heat and A/C in our house. This happened after I put in for the drawing. I didn't put in my hunt choices until the day befor the deadline.
So after dropping $8000 Thursday (yes this thursday) I am running a little short on bill $$. So if I hunt Kapowsin I have to drop $100 for the pass. I live over an hour away. Now how much gas $$ do you think I will be out if I hunt this the way I want to? I am self employed. I don't get paid vacation. I don't work than I don't get paid.
So I guess the next question would be WW(bigtex)D? Pay your bills or have fun spring bear hunting?
If you don't think I take this Spring Bear hunt serious than you are dead wrong. You talk to BTKR, BLKBEARKLR, ShadowCat, Snowman, and anyone else on this site that knows me they will all say the same thing. I get very excited befor the draw and really disapointed after when I don't. Harvesting a Bear is pretty much #1 on my list.
If you don't think I was excited when I got drawn you can talk to BLKBEARKLR. He was the one that looked up my success over the phone because I wasn't home.
I choose to be able to pay my bills.
Like I said above I still havn't made up my mind. I may still hunt or I may decide it isn't worth it. Get my points back and try again next year.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 11, 2010, 02:04:22 PM
Personally I wish you would have filled out your application correctly, so I could call you to come help me pack and skin my lincoln bear :chuckle:
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on April 11, 2010, 02:31:35 PM
You do whatever you feel like, the permit is yours, I would definately get your points back if you dont feel you will be able to utilize the permit...
Personally I wish you would have filled out your application correctly, so I could call you to come help me pack and skin my lincoln bear :chuckle:
The Lincolon unit is only about 20 minutes or so from my house. I know of atleast 4 or 5 people that have drawn that unit. That is what I really wanted to get drawn for because it was close.
You need help packing don't hesitate to call. I'll even gut it for you, LMAO.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 11, 2010, 04:06:17 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 11, 2010, 04:14:22 PM
You could just not hunt it, save the $100 and save all the gas money, but I'm just not sure you will get your points re-instated. I guess that depends on who you talk to and how nice you are to them. Maybe you can talk them into giving your points back, but I just wouldn't count on it.
Post by: rb2506 on April 11, 2010, 04:46:07 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on April 11, 2010, 05:30:37 PM
Do not worry about it. Turn it in if you can and get your points back. I know you were excited when you got drawn but unforseen circumstances have made you
re-evaluate. You put it and played the lottery just like we all did and you got drawn. I put in for Kapowsin and did not. Oh well I will try again next year.
And remember if you don't get drawn next year, the trip to Alaska is still an open invite. My partner up there has the 26ft King Fisher and I still have my 14ft zodiac so we will be able to get out and smack some bears. It is a fun hunt and you won't see any one driving the roads because there are none.
So do what is best for you and your family, if you can't afford it and if you can turn it back in and get your points then do so.
Joe
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on April 11, 2010, 06:10:13 PM
I don't know that you can turn in your Kapowsin permit unless you have a reason for doing so. I'm just not sure the WDFW will agree that because you spent $8000 on a new furnace, that is their fault. I don't know.
You could just not hunt it, save the $100 and save all the gas money, but I'm just not sure you will get your points re-instated. I guess that depends on who you talk to and how nice you are to them. Maybe you can talk them into giving your points back, but I just wouldn't count on it.
I already called them. I also called Hancock and had them put my app on hold. They did not question me either they said to send in the card and have it post marked befor the season opens and my points will be given back to me.
They also made mention that there were quite a few unhappy people that drew. I am not sure why.
Like I said I am very happy that I got drawn. That is not the problem. I just can't put 100% into the hunt and I need to cover bills.
I may or may not keep my card. I don't know yet.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 11, 2010, 06:17:34 PM
I don't know that you can turn in your Kapowsin permit unless you have a reason for doing so. I'm just not sure the WDFW will agree that because you spent $8000 on a new furnace, that is their fault. I don't know.
You could just not hunt it, save the $100 and save all the gas money, but I'm just not sure you will get your points re-instated. I guess that depends on who you talk to and how nice you are to them. Maybe you can talk them into giving your points back, but I just wouldn't count on it.
Yes, she can get her points reinstated. She called F&W right after I found out I could get mine back.
There must be a policy change or there were screw ups in the drawing because F&W has been receiving a lot of calls and they were very quick to let me know I could turn my permit in and get my points back. No questions asked.
Ooops....She beat me to it.
Post by: bonecrusher on April 11, 2010, 07:24:01 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 12, 2010, 05:18:35 AM
I'm sure the future of spring bear hunting is nice and secure. no backlash at all will come from of this from the timber companies because of people's $h!t ability to follow through with the permits they put in for I'm sure :bash: go ahead flame me
I am sure it won't cause a backlash. Part of it is their own doing.
Remember, these are supposed to be damage hunts and not "permanant seasons".
As a viable tool for bear removal....it is not a good one.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 01:53:38 PM
The hunt area seemed pretty small, but their map is decieving...
and the walk in area is the only 24/7 north west of Lepisto...
Other area after 3:00 pm, but no daily closure.. :IBCOOL:
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2010, 02:50:47 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 02:52:58 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2010, 02:55:44 PM
Not according to the info I received today.... :dunno:
Interesting. That should make BTKR happy. Maybe he will keep his permit.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 12, 2010, 05:09:37 PM
Not according to the info I received today.... :dunno:
Interesting. That should make BTKR happy. Maybe he will keep his permit.
F&W told me it would be a couple days a week. Not sure how much happier this makes me. I just got my letter and will do some research.
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2010, 05:14:46 PM
Post by: jgorley on April 12, 2010, 05:16:14 PM
You need help packing don't hesitate to call. I'll even gut it for you, LMAO.Is this an open offer...Could you travel to the Copalis? Just checking. :P
Post by: billythekidrock on April 12, 2010, 05:31:31 PM
Well, Monday through Friday you can only hunt after 3:00 PM. Except for the one walk in area which is open all the time.
Yea, me and 49 other guys. :chuckle: :bash:
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2010, 05:33:28 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 05:39:46 PM
What about other users ?
.... :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 12, 2010, 05:44:03 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 05:52:13 PM
... I drove in several miles and turned around and came out the same way, but I believe him.. :dunno: It connected to a lot of roads, and I ended up on top looking down on the farms along Garrard Creek
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2010, 07:54:21 PM
I drove in what looked like a guys driveway and talked to him, asking about Turkeys and Bears, he was the one that told me it went through, Said a friend of his drove through from Rochester "all the time"
... I drove in several miles and turned around and came out the same way, but I believe him.. :dunno: It connected to a lot of roads, and I ended up on top looking down on the farms along Garrard Creek
I think you were probably on DNR land. The Weyerhaeuser is all gated and every time I've been out there they have all been closed. Did you go in on Harris Road?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 09:48:20 PM
Not sure what road :dunno:
I probably won't be hunting up there too much anyhow, as I have a few spots for Turkey, and a couple spots to look for bear, lots of time....
I am curious about one of my locations though...it has a locked gate, and a sign saying "walk in hunting only" but is in their mon-friday after 3:00 and weekend access area.. :dunno:
This does make my decision on where to go in the mornings though.....
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2010, 11:13:54 PM
The color coding on the map doesn't seem to agree with the signs on the ground, I noticed that. On the map they show some gates as yellow but they are actually green dot.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 13, 2010, 08:12:34 AM
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You support the indians?Actually I am supporting myself, it is 1/2 the price , I need to keep as much of my own money as I can because due to our present economy, and government I don't have as much as I used to.
But that is a whole different post....
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 13, 2010, 08:16:44 AM
I Turkey hunt in area, and follow green dot roads, am I legal, or would I be cited for "hunting during a closed season" by being in there Turkey hunting while in possesion of a Spring Bear Permit, and Broadheads in my quiver ?
I hope to get an answer before Wed. so I can make my plans for the next morning....
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 13, 2010, 10:44:41 AM
The good news is that Weyerhauser is only going to be allowed 4 (yes 4) depradation permits for the year, and only if they claim we are not being effective......Hound hunters will not be allowed to hunt while we are, so we won't be competing.
The e-mail system will inform us of where they are having damage occure, with updates on any new damage.
The bad news is that they actually gave out 75 permits for the area, so it might get a little crowded.
He is trying to gain more access for us, and find out about the green dot roads.
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2010, 10:47:24 AM
That's good news about the hounds not being in there at the same time.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 13, 2010, 11:02:20 AM
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Did you ask him why the DNR land isn't open?:DOH:
After listening to him explain for about 5 minutes about what was going on, I barely remembered most of my questions...
When he calls me back, I will ask him, but I remember him saying that this is mostly about attempting to prove to WH that allowing boot hunters can be effective , :dunno:
So they will allow more areas to be part of the program.
We better slaughter some animals !!!
Post by: billythekidrock on April 13, 2010, 04:12:09 PM
I also have asked about that, does the map, and restrictions supercede the signs ?
I Turkey hunt in area, and follow green dot roads, am I legal, or would I be cited for "hunting during a closed season" by being in there Turkey hunting while in possesion of a Spring Bear Permit, and Broadheads in my quiver ?
I hope to get an answer before Wed. so I can make my plans for the next morning....
This is a concern for me as well. If the bear hunters can't be in the woods before 3pm then it should also apply to all hunters and user groups.
Post by: billythekidrock on April 13, 2010, 04:21:30 PM
The bad news is that they actually gave out 75 permits for the area, so it might get a little crowded.
So the regs said 50, but they gave out another 25 or a total of 75 permits with only one of the three areas open for access all day. Could get very crowded.
Now today I noticed in the proposals that were approved over the weekend that they want to add another 25 permits to the Lincoln hunt for next year. :bash:
If they opened up WeyCo and State land in the Lincoln it would be better.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 13, 2010, 10:32:43 PM
He explained the problem he had was the guy he was working with moved to a different company and he had to start over, He is attempting to gain as much access as he can, and is still trying to straghten some things out.
The bad news is that they actually gave out 75 permits for the area, so it might get a little crowded.
So the regs said 50, but they gave out another 25 or a total of 75 permits with only one of the three areas open for access all day. Could get very crowded.
Now today I noticed in the proposals that were approved over the weekend that they want to add another 25 permits to the Lincoln hunt for next year. :bash:
If they opened up WeyCo and State land in the Lincoln it would be better.
That is part of the reason for the E-mail registration...
Contact him to clear up any questions you have...Donny.Martorello@dfw.wa.gov
Post by: billythekidrock on April 14, 2010, 07:37:07 PM