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Title: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 01:39:09 PM
Got a letter Today !!
It gives a web address http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/blackbear/education/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/blackbear/education/)

They also want you to sign up for e=mail notification of any recent damage noticed by employees.

It may be late, but a step in the right direction.....
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 01:49:42 PM
I thought their hunt area was pretty small, but on closer inspection, It is not that bad, no daily closures, just until after 3:00 Mon-Fri....
And the Walk-in area is open 7 days a week.. :hello:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: rb2506 on April 12, 2010, 02:00:59 PM
why closed after 3:00? do they close the gates
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 02:04:28 PM
Closed until 3:00, sorry, I will edit that   :P
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: rb2506 on April 12, 2010, 02:09:03 PM
i thought that was odd, i just read it differently
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 02:53:59 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/blackbear/education/weyco_bear_hunt2010.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/blackbear/education/weyco_bear_hunt2010.pdf)
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2010, 02:56:21 PM
Thanks for that. Big help!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 03:01:02 PM
Somebody must have lit a fire under their @sses, I was contacted by info@wfpa.org AND Georg Ziegltrum (GZiegltrum@wfpa.org) (regional Bio) BOTH today in response to questions I asked a while ago...
About time !
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 12, 2010, 05:32:58 PM
They also asked us to sign up for an e-mail to possibly send more information about damage, or report recent damage.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: mattaylor81 on April 12, 2010, 11:10:22 PM
Thanks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: mattaylor81 on April 12, 2010, 11:23:08 PM
I was looking at the map.  Looks like a good amount of land to hunt.  I have a question though.  I noticed the red, green, and yellow dots.  Yellow says restricted.  Anyone know if we will be able to get keys for those gates, or is it walk-in only past those gates?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2010, 11:29:16 PM
Some of the gates that are shown as yellow on the map are actually green dot gates, which are open and you can drive in. I've also seen some red dot gates that are open and those I'm not sure about. Technically you're not supposed to be in there with a motorized vehicle but then why is the gate open? Plus with the spring bear permit and that map, you might be ok driving in there. I know if you walk in you're bound to have somebody drive in and pass you right up as you're walking in.

The westerly area is pretty much wide open for access. The southeasterly area has a few green dot gates which the map shows as yellow. The walk in area to the north really is all red dot and really is a walk in only area just as the map shows.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: mattaylor81 on April 12, 2010, 11:37:09 PM
Thanks for the quick reply bobcat.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: BrushChimp on April 12, 2010, 11:45:10 PM
Yellow usually means motorized access on weekends only, but that may have changed. It is likely you will not get keys to any Weyco gate. As far as them being open and having a red dot, it is not okay to enter these areas. They may have the gates open for a variety of reasons. It is likely they are working in the area. Either logging, road construction, etc... Weyco, unlike SPI, does not open and close their gates after every vehicle that passes through them.

FYI, Weyco has recently (last Sept.) employed a Pe Ell police officer to patrol their lands.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: BrushChimp on April 12, 2010, 11:46:17 PM
bobcat, is correct in that a lot of times the color coding on the maps does not match the color coding on the ground. Go with whatever the sign at the gate says.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2010, 07:15:05 AM
The gate I am thinking of that is open and appears to be a red dot (looks like the dot has been removed and there are only remnants of it) is open and there doesn't appear to have been any activity behind that gate. Also it has been open on the weekends, which if they were working in there I would think they would at least close it over the weekend. There are at least two gates in the Bunker Creek area that are green dots but are shown as yellow dots on the map.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: BrushChimp on April 13, 2010, 07:17:33 AM
Sounds like it be okay to enter all three of those gates (removed red dot and 2 green dot)...
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2010, 07:18:58 AM
Sounds like it be okay to enter all three of those gates (removed red dot and 2 green dot)...

Not sure about the "removed" red dot. The signs say: "Red dot or no dot" = no motorized vehicles   :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 13, 2010, 07:58:17 AM
The one with the "removed " green dot is open for the guys cutting in above the creek to take a shortcut to the 622, because the gate at the end of the road isn't open until the 15th.
I don't know if they plan on locking it back up or not....
I talked to them and they didn't care if I went in that way, but were not enforcement officials either.........
The whole area in north of Bunker/Ingalls is behind red dots, but the gates are open... :dunno:
I have asked about it, because the map they gave us shows yellow, but who knows how long it will take to get an answer.....
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 13, 2010, 11:04:32 AM
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I just got off the phone with Donny Martorello of Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, He was very helpful and cleared up a few things, and is going to get answers to the rest of my questions....
The good news is that Weyerhauser is only going to be allowed 4 (yes 4) depradation permits for the year, and only if they claim we are not being effective......Hound hunters will not be allowed to hunt while we are, so we won't be competing.
The e-mail system will inform us of where they are having damage occure, with updates on any new damage.
The bad news is that they actually gave out 75 permits for the area, so it might get a little crowded.
He is trying to gain more access for us, and find out about the green dot roads.
I posted this on a different thread, but figured it should be here also...
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on April 13, 2010, 04:57:00 PM
Sounds like it be okay to enter all three of those gates (removed red dot and 2 green dot)...

According to the sign it is not ok to enter with a vehicle if the dot has been removed.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F500%2Fmedium%2FwebWHCsignIMG_0801.jpg&hash=0a08855a0223ccae0599f00eb159897d07c01223)
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 13, 2010, 05:34:13 PM
The map is titled 'Lincoln Spring Bear Hunt 2010'.  Wouldn't that be the guide or 'access permit' for tag holders during specified times :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on April 13, 2010, 05:38:44 PM
The map is titled 'Lincoln Spring Bear Hunt 2010'.  Wouldn't that be the guide or 'access permit' for tag holders during specified times :dunno:

Like a pass to allow you to drive closed roads with open gates?
You would think they would have something like that, but I don't see anything like that it in any of the literature.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 13, 2010, 05:45:57 PM
The map is titled 'Lincoln Spring Bear Hunt 2010'.  Wouldn't that be the guide or 'access permit' for tag holders during specified times :dunno:

Like a pass to allow you to drive closed roads with open gates?
You would think they would have something like that, but I don't see anything like that it in any of the literature.

It specifies the non-motorized access area.  Specifies when the other areas are open.  Has Weyerhaeuser emblem on the 'document'.  I'm going to interpret it that way.  :dunno: Would think the jury would too. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 13, 2010, 06:35:49 PM
Ghost Hunter, I think I would interpret it that way also. The only time Weyerhaeuser is really going to care if you're driving into an area that may be questionable, is if they are hauling logs out of there on the same roads. It's not like right now is a high fire danger time of the year. Personally I would drive in on any of the roads that have open gates that aren't shown as red dots on the map, as long as they aren't actively working in the area.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 13, 2010, 10:26:21 PM
There are several areas of active logging in that area, I asked about the discrepancy between the supplied map and the signs/dots, etc..
I am still waiting for response.
I asked if the map supplied superceded the dots, because otherwise green dot roads are open for access all week+,
Was told that he (Mr.Donny Martorello) would contact weyerhauser and find out, and get back to me to address my concerns about Turkey hunting in the morning and not being cited for hunting during a closed season, he also said that he would find out why we couldnt drive green dot roads.
As far as I am concerned, I am printing out a copy of map and putting it with permit, in case there is an issue.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bearmanric on April 14, 2010, 06:41:49 AM
Is there a map yet. I'm home now. and have no clue. only things I have gotten in the mail is the permit and a yellow envelope for the tooth. Rick
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 14, 2010, 07:12:13 AM
Is there a map yet. I'm home now. and have no clue. only things I have gotten in the mail is the permit and a yellow envelope for the tooth. Rick

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/blackbear/education/weyco_bear_hunt2010.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/blackbear/education/weyco_bear_hunt2010.pdf)
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 14, 2010, 07:24:35 AM
There are several areas of active logging in that area, I asked about the discrepancy between the supplied map and the signs/dots, etc..
I am still waiting for response.
I asked if the map supplied superceded the dots, because otherwise green dot roads are open for access all week+,
Was told that he (Mr.Donny Martorello) would contact weyerhauser and find out, and get back to me to address my concerns about Turkey hunting in the morning and not being cited for hunting during a closed season, he also said that he would find out why we couldnt drive green dot roads.
As far as I am concerned, I am printing out a copy of map and putting it with permit, in case there is an issue.

Now that I've had some time to think about this, it seems the map showing green dot roads as yellow dot roads is not really a discrepancy. The yellow dot on the map simply means "restricted," which it is, you can't go in on that road to hunt bears until after 3:00 p.m. Monday thru Friday.

So the roads that are signed with a green dot, I'm assuming you can drive in on those roads at any time, as long as you are not actually hunting bears. You should be ok to hunt turkeys up until 3:00 and then bears after that. Although that does seem odd, I'm not sure they have even considered that turkey season will be open at the same time. I don't see why you couldn't also be in there "scouting" before 3:00. Why couldn't you? The green dot roads are open for the general public to use. You do not have to have a spring bear permit to be in that area. So all I see this 3:00 restriction doing is not allowing you to shoot a bear before 3:00 p.m. Monday thru Friday.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 14, 2010, 09:53:34 AM
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I don't see why you couldn't also be in there "scouting" before 3:00. Why couldn't you? The green dot roads are open for the general public to use

Except it states on map that those hours are for "scouting also. RE:Scouting OK during
specified hours.
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I'm not sure they have even considered that turkey season will be open at the same time.
They didn't think about that, I am hoping for an answer today, as I am going in at "o-dark 30" with my dekes calls and bow, unless I hear back today that it is prohibited....
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 14, 2010, 10:11:47 AM
How do they know what you are scouting for? I think I will be in there Friday morning scouting for deer. Might also do a little coyote hunting.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 14, 2010, 10:30:30 AM
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I asked about the discrepancy between the supplied map and the signs/dots,
I was mostly reffering to the red dots that are there, prohibiting motor access. The gates are open , but the sign has a red dot, pretty much all the area nw of Bunker/Ingals intersection.
I am bugging them today, just got off the phone with the biologist, and he is contacting enforcement to clear up my questions.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 14, 2010, 03:40:52 PM
Well, I just got an update , according to Weyerhauser NOBODY can hunt until 3:00 Mon-Fri.
They are in the process of changing the signs to be more clear...(who knows how long that will take)
So, I am going to follow regs as stated on map, carry one with me, and hunt DNR for turkeys......
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 14, 2010, 04:00:25 PM
Oh well, it's better than being shut out completely.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 14, 2010, 04:20:32 PM
That is Mr. Martorello's main deal, that Weyerhaeuser is uncomfortable allowing a spring bear season due to amount of active logging, and lack of confidence in boot hunters harvesting bears.
He is also attempting to arrange limited access for motor vehicles in the walk in only areas,rationalizing it by the fact that in previous years hound hunters drove in.
The main thing is, we need to show WH that we can harvest bears with out creating conflict.
And he really wants us to slay some bruins.
He (Mr.Martorello) himself will be contacting everybody that registered for the e-mails next week to update us with any information he receives.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 15, 2010, 08:56:08 PM
Heading out in the AM.  Gonna give it my best effort this weekend.  See what the nw section looks like.  If it aint too steep, I'll try  biking in.  Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 19, 2010, 06:07:11 PM
Learned a lot on Friday, like I hiked the wrong trails :chuckle:  Thanks to BTKR, Saturday proved a little more promising.  I don't think anyone would be convinced that we are on a "damage control hunt".  Just not seeing it in Lincoln.  Same as north Kapowsin was 1st year.   I will take advantage of the opportunity and hope the hunting pressure stays light for a few weeks ;)
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bearmanric on April 19, 2010, 06:10:30 PM
i'm going back up thursday stay till sunday. i was very impressed. i'll get a bear there. :chuckle:. Rick
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: rasbo on April 19, 2010, 06:11:50 PM
Learned a lot on Friday, like I hiked the wrong trails :chuckle:  Thanks to BTKR, Saturday proved a little more promising.  I don't think anyone would be convinced that we are on a "damage control hunt".  Just not seeing it in Lincoln.  Same as north Kapowsin was 1st year.   I will take advantage of the opportunity and hope the hunting pressure stays light for a few weeks ;)
if you didnt see mass girdling in kapowsin your eyes were shut...Its terrible in there...were you speaking of buckly?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on April 19, 2010, 06:25:24 PM
Learned a lot on Friday, like I hiked the wrong trails :chuckle:  Thanks to BTKR, Saturday proved a little more promising.  I don't think anyone would be convinced that we are on a "damage control hunt".  Just not seeing it in Lincoln.  Same as north Kapowsin was 1st year.   I will take advantage of the opportunity and hope the hunting pressure stays light for a few weeks ;)

Glad to be of some help. Hope it works out for ya.
Don't feel bad, we didn't see any recent damage either.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2010, 07:01:50 PM
When I hunted Capitol Forest in the spring of '05, I didn't start seeing peeled trees until about a week into May. So I wouldn't be too concerned if you haven't seen anything yet. We did see that track and they've been eating grass on the sides of the roads.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: rasbo on April 19, 2010, 07:04:37 PM
When I hunted Capitol Forest in the spring of '05, I didn't start seeing peeled trees until about a week into May. So I wouldn't be too concerned if you haven't seen anything yet. We did see that track and they've been eating grass on the sides of the roads.
when the new growth starts on the ends of those trees..they should start girdling..the sap will be ready.I was thinking early this year because of the weather
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on April 19, 2010, 07:09:22 PM
When I hunted Capitol Forest in the spring of '05, I didn't start seeing peeled trees until about a week into May. So I wouldn't be too concerned if you haven't seen anything yet. We did see that track and they've been eating grass on the sides of the roads.
when the new growth starts on the ends of those trees..they should start girdling..the sap will be ready.I was thinking early this year because of the weather

Yep, the little green tips (candling?) give it away. I too am thinking that it should be a bit earlier this year, but we shall see.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on April 19, 2010, 09:12:38 PM
Yes candling.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: workstohunt on April 20, 2010, 06:53:18 AM
I was out again last night. I saw a lot of bear damage in almost every area. I was showing the wife what it looked like.
Keep looking!!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on April 20, 2010, 08:12:33 AM
Was it fresh, or from previous years?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 20, 2010, 01:31:56 PM
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I was out again last night. I saw a lot of bear damage in almost every area. I was showing the wife what it looked like.
Keep looking!!
I probably need to have some lessons on how to recognize it next time your heading up maybe you could show me what it looks like . :dunno:
The only place I have seen it is down in the creek bottoms, while standing next to trees,  no visible sign from looking down from the ridge....
The trees I saw dont look like they are dying, just have large marks near the base, and all from previous years, nothing I would recognize as recent, but I am new at this.... :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on April 20, 2010, 04:02:52 PM
I was out again last night. I saw a lot of bear damage in almost every area. I was showing the wife what it looked like.
Keep looking!!

Old or new? Any pics?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: workstohunt on April 21, 2010, 07:02:01 AM
Sorry guys,
It was from a couple of days to over a month old. Found some last night that has been there maybe two months. So the bears have been out and about for awhile.
Stickandstring next time I see you up there I will show you the damage. You will be suprised that you have been over looking it.
I posted a pic of a bear feeding ---wasn't that fresh enough??????  :chuckle: I think it was in any bear sightings yet. That was on Friday.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 21, 2010, 08:10:46 AM
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I posted a pic of a bear feeding ---wasn't that fresh enough???
:chuckle:
That was fresh enough...now if you would have told me where... :chuckle:
I meant the damage to trees, as all I have seen is old, and not visible until you are standing next to tree.
I am just curious about being able to identify it. this season is all about learning for me.
Being new to targeting bears, instead of just carrying a tag "in case"...
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on April 21, 2010, 04:32:25 PM
Sorry guys,
It was from a couple of days to over a month old. Found some last night that has been there maybe two months. So the bears have been out and about for awhile.
,,,,,,,,,I posted a pic of a bear feeding ---wasn't that fresh enough??????  :chuckle:

So you are talking about bear sign, like torn stumps. NOT timber damage, like peels, correct?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 21, 2010, 06:47:24 PM
We're on the list :dunno: :chuckle: :IBCOOL:  Anytime now we can expect an email update on location of damage sightings.  Be prepared for the Lincoln A 1st report bear sighting and HW BBQ gathering :chuckle: :cue: :peep:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: ICEMAN on April 22, 2010, 06:00:23 AM
Yum...we had Bear and Chicken shishkabob on Sunday eve it was so nice out.... I want more!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 22, 2010, 02:39:14 PM
I don't know what left this, but it didn't even chew the grass....
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 22, 2010, 02:40:03 PM
This one was kind of runny..
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 22, 2010, 02:41:52 PM
I know this is Bear sign !!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 22, 2010, 02:43:17 PM
And some old tree damage..
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 22, 2010, 03:28:14 PM
I am catching up to him....
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 22, 2010, 03:43:33 PM
Your coords are showing... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 22, 2010, 03:48:17 PM
 :yike: whoops !  :P
let's do lunch...
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on April 23, 2010, 05:29:51 AM
Don't want to know where he was, just which way he was going :chuckle:  Need your compass setting ;)  Heading that way after work, if I get the leak in the water tank fixed :bash:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 23, 2010, 12:52:02 PM
He was heading NE,  ;)
I have been spending my time down in creek bottoms and swampy areas, but (almost) all the sign I am finding is old.
 I wish I knew more about these animals, because when I spend 4-5 hours exploring a creek, then drive over to another spot and find a dropping in the road on the way to the next one, where it is dry and nowhere near water or grassy areas, I wonder if I am looking in the wrong place.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 10, 2010, 03:11:48 PM
I am running in to more sign, fresh bear poop every time out, finding fresh peels, got a couple pictures on my trail cam, .....
A bear is going to hit the ground soon....
Although with 75 permit holders I am surprised that the only guys I have run into are 5 guys from this site, plus one that isn't, for a total of 8 hunters.  :dunno:
I have seen 3 other rigs that didn't stop and talk, but still, not very much pressure...
especially considering boundaries and hours.....
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 10, 2010, 05:21:27 PM
I'll be crowding back in with you next time out.  Spent some time in the north unit Saturday.  Hiked to the end of one road, crossed a couple streams in the brush to pick up another road.  5 miles on the boots, and no sign.  Gonna head back to the swamps next trip.  Somebody dumped a freezer and rank meat at the south entrance >:( >:( :dunno:  Don't think the bear will go for sour :bash: :bash: turkey sausage :bdid:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 10, 2010, 11:26:20 PM
Let me know when you will be there, I got a promising looking spot I was going to have BTKR show me how to call from, but he seems kind of busy.....
If you want to be a back up gunner, (If one doesnt come within 30 yards)  :archer:
we could sit on some stumps and try to call one out in the open, or if we look at it in the morning, call first, then if nothing shows, head down into bottom to look around for sign.
(I did find a bear track coming out of there, but haven't walked into bottom yet)
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on May 11, 2010, 04:51:17 AM
Let me know when you will be there, I got a promising looking spot I was going to have BTKR show me how to call from, but he seems kind of busy.....


Yea, it seems that our schedules don't match up too well right now. I am open Sunday, but I don't know how that works for you.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 11, 2010, 05:10:56 PM
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If you want to be a back up gunner, (If one doesnt come within 30 yards)  :archer:

[/quote]

Sounds like a fair enough offer. :dunno:  Long as I'm not between you and the bear at 30 yards :yike: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 20, 2010, 10:41:02 AM
I tried calling in that spot one evening last week, after sitting there for about half an hour, I started calling with a "Wilson Bear Cub Bawler", called for over an hour with nothing coming to look at me (That I saw), then while walking out at dark, I heard what I now have identified as a "sow moan" from the trees.  :yike: I heard it 3 times while I sat on a stump, but decided to get out of there before it got too dark on me.
If I try that again, I will bring a sidearm "just in case" !
That made me a little nervous, I am not that accurate with my recurve when my shorts are all bunched up like that.. :P
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on May 20, 2010, 04:14:58 PM
How were you able to identify it?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 20, 2010, 04:45:28 PM
How were you able to identify it?
Through searching sound bytes on the web, North American Bear Center, and Flickr.
I also got a DVD with my "Woods Wise Super Bear Talker" the sound is exactly the same as they demonstrated, and I can duplicate.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: toe-jam on May 20, 2010, 05:05:31 PM
allways take the side arm with you . i love my bow but  just in case the side arm is right there.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on May 20, 2010, 05:19:56 PM
Cool.

So you think that was the sound you heard from 300 yards?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 21, 2010, 09:35:32 AM
I am sure that was the sound I heard, it was excactly like the sounds I have heard on the video/web....
As far as how far away it was, I cannot say for sure, I was just estimating from me to the trees that I could see, as I was walking on a logging road in the middle of a clear-cut at dark..
It sounded like it was on the ridge across from me.. :dunno:
Although I am new to spring bear hunting/calling, I have heard Elk grinding their teeth, and moose groaning, this was neither of those sounds.
I doubt it was Sasquatch......
I could be wrong, but I am convinced that it was a bear, I have found tracks in the spot I heard the sound, so I know one uses the area.
I will hunt the area again this week and see if I can get a picture of a bear, hopefully a dead one !
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 22, 2010, 10:03:32 PM
After leaving my camera on the trail for a week, I got pictures of two bears using the creek bottom as a travel route.
Now if I can just be there ! :bash:
This one is kind of cool, brown butt, and brown stripes on shoulders
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 22, 2010, 10:10:58 PM
Wrong picture,
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on May 22, 2010, 10:13:32 PM
Great pictures! Nice looking bear! Did you get pictures of it at any other time?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 22, 2010, 10:16:19 PM
This one is all black, and a little smaller....
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 22, 2010, 10:22:38 PM
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Great pictures! Nice looking bear! Did you get pictures of it at any other time?
I only got the all black one again...a coyote, couple deer....
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on May 22, 2010, 10:28:42 PM
That is great. Lucky the bears didn't decide to try to eat your camera!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 22, 2010, 10:33:01 PM
Almost !!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on May 23, 2010, 01:05:43 AM
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Great pictures! Nice looking bear! Did you get pictures of it at any other time?
I only got the all black one again...a coyote, couple deer....


This Bear you can see has deffinatly already started rubbing.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on May 23, 2010, 01:07:13 AM

This one is kind of cool, brown butt, and brown stripes on shoulders

I believe what you are looking at again is signs of rubbing on the Bear.  The brown is the under wool.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: 280ackley on May 23, 2010, 07:34:59 AM
Nice pics.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 23, 2010, 09:54:21 AM
petty thick fur, do you mean it will be all brown this August ?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on May 23, 2010, 11:15:46 AM
petty thick fur, do you mean it will be all brown this August ?

No, it won't be all brown. Think of it as split ends. When a bear rubs, the guard hair breaks or thins. The result is a brown or reddish coloration. Basically a non-prime hide.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 23, 2010, 02:20:06 PM
Oh, well.. :dunno:
As a first bear, with a recurve, I'll take it....
I suppose I could have leather made from the hide....
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 23, 2010, 02:20:32 PM
If I manage to get a shot...... :P
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on May 23, 2010, 02:54:28 PM
Were you going to do anything with the hide even if it is prime? 
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 24, 2010, 12:13:43 AM
I am planning on a rug, but if it is patchy, I might see what can be saved and maybe make a quiver or something.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: JoeVon on May 24, 2010, 12:36:36 AM
Looks like it'd still make a nice shoulder mount!  Don't let these guys get you down, just get out there and get an arrow in him!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: rasbo on May 24, 2010, 05:11:34 AM
go get him,a bear is a bear and with your bow thats great.when ya going back in?shoulder mount would be great and cheaper than a rug.And you get a fawn killing tree girdling pest outta the woods.this is my number in case ya get one down,1-800-NOT-home  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on May 24, 2010, 05:19:36 AM
Oh, well.. :dunno:
As a first bear, with a recurve, I'll take it....
I suppose I could have leather made from the hide....

Kill it first, decide later. It still may make a decent rug. It just depends on the how thin it gets and what taxi you take it to. Besides, it will still eat good.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: rasbo on May 24, 2010, 05:21:26 AM
Oh, well.. :dunno:
As a first bear, with a recurve, I'll take it....
I suppose I could have leather made from the hide....
loin cloth baby
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 24, 2010, 10:01:16 PM
 :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 24, 2010, 10:07:10 PM
I went down to my spot tonight....
Sat down looking into creekbottom, up against a bush to break my outline, and tried a little calling..
Just about 8:30, on the other side of the bush I am sitting in front of, I hear a loud CRUNCH..THUD, KETHUMP, THUD, ....silence..................
I look and on the other side of the bush, 15 feet from where I was sitting is a fresh pile of bear crap.. :bash: :bash: :bash: :'(
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: highside74 on May 24, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
Does that mean you scared the crap out of him? :P :chuckle:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 24, 2010, 10:30:24 PM
I dont know, I dont even know where he came from....
Down wind and across an opening... :bash:
I only know where it went.. :hello: by! By !
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 24, 2010, 10:41:25 PM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 25, 2010, 05:14:34 AM
I think he's calling you  :chuckle: :chuckle:  Way to stay after them.  I think we will be up the the big weekend. 
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: rasbo on May 25, 2010, 05:26:31 AM
when a bunch of people merge into an area and start blowing calls.and pounding the roads,it can make them wary....change your spot or move some..if you find some dark timber by a feeding area they will go in there and feel more comfortable,dark timber with wet areas and a lot of old stumps and logs is a combo that works for me,steep to with little flats of wet..The longest ridges are great travel spots for boars..
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on May 25, 2010, 05:36:10 AM
when a bunch of people merge into an area and start blowing calls.and pounding the roads,it can make them wary....change your spot or move some..if you find some dark timber by a feeding area they will go in there and feel more comfortable,dark timber with wet areas and a lot of old stumps and logs is a combo that works for me,steep to with little flats of wet..The longest ridges are great travel spots for boars..
:yeah:
I agree and I would also add that the thickest creek bottoms are also good. Sometimes even the ones close to roads. They will still be eating a bit of grass and skunk cabbage and in some areas they will be on the horsetails and salmon berry blossoms.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: rasbo on May 25, 2010, 05:55:04 AM
when a bunch of people merge into an area and start blowing calls.and pounding the roads,it can make them wary....change your spot or move some..if you find some dark timber by a feeding area they will go in there and feel more comfortable,dark timber with wet areas and a lot of old stumps and logs is a combo that works for me,steep to with little flats of wet..The longest ridges are great travel spots for boars..
:yeah:
I agree and I would also add that the thickest creek bottoms are also good. Sometimes even the ones close to roads. They will still be eating a bit of grass and skunk cabbage and in some areas they will be on the horsetails and salmon berry blossoms.
10-4 willy  as the new growth comes up in these wet areas,any movement by any animal is easy to pick up .boot time is the answer.I do like the bottoms or big flats but the wind can kick your ass in there{swirling},the steep areas with little flats usually have thermals and winds that for the most part are consistant..I don't worry about their eyes at all either,them *censored*s can smell with their eyes ears,feet,I think the have a hidden nose in their arse to....Remember bears are close relatives of the cannines
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: SI Eagle on May 25, 2010, 07:30:31 AM
Hang in there
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 25, 2010, 11:42:27 AM
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when a bunch of people merge into an area and start blowing calls.and pounding the roads,it can make them wary
The weird thing is, I am not running into anybody, I saw one truck driving like a maniac up near the 550, but other than that, maybe 7-8 trucks all season.
But then again, I am not spending all my time on the roads.......
I have not heard anyone calling either, but as far as I know Bearmanric is the only one calling.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bearmanric on May 25, 2010, 12:54:30 PM
i'm heading up either tomorrow or thusrsday. will be using lot's of Fawn and elk calf sound's low. will be close calling were i jumped alot of Doe's. i dont hunt any more on the 550 area to much going on there. like were i'm hunting now. wish i could camp there. Rick
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on May 28, 2010, 08:11:46 PM
I think he's calling you  :chuckle: :chuckle:  Way to stay after them.  I think we will be up the the big weekend. 

When are you heading up and where will you be staying?
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on May 28, 2010, 09:46:39 PM
I think he's calling you  :chuckle: :chuckle:  Way to stay after them.  I think we will be up the the big weekend. 

When are you heading up and where will you be staying?

We will probably take a trip to the Packwood sale Saturday and plan on head up Sat. evening or early Sunday.  Haven't decided if want to drag the the trailer up again.  Last time up, located an area off the 7000 that wanted to spend some time on.  Don't have a good game plan :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 04, 2010, 11:09:08 AM
Well, while I was sticking a styrofoam bear on "B course" at the WSTR, a bear walked past my trail camera Saturday night...
I saw nothing last night, gonna give it a shot this afternoon, and the next 2 mornings, and hope......
seems to be slowing down in my little creek bottom.
I did see a Poplar Tree on my way to my parking space that had been bent over and ALL the leaves gone... :dunno: Guess they are moving off the grass.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: Ghost Hunter on June 06, 2010, 08:10:34 AM
Made it up Saturday for the day.  Found 1 new peel in the sw unit.  No recent sign in the areas hunted earlier in the season.  They're playing hard to get :dunno:  Spring season might be over for me.  Work duties probably won't allow me a trip the last weekend.  Besides I need to start saving for a Wyoming elk hunt.  Good luck to everyone still out there.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 06, 2010, 10:41:43 AM
I went to "my spot" yesterday, no new sign either, but for some reason my camera is not working,  :bash:  :dunno:
So I don't know if one had been through there, I sat there from 5:00AM until 8:30 PM, a couple deer and a rabbit, nothing else...
They seem to have moved out of my area also..Perhaps they are out looking for fawns now ?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 06, 2010, 10:49:05 AM
i am sure they are looking for fawns now come august there will be a few less looking for fawns when they come into the fawn distress :tup: those bears that have snaked on a fawn or 2 are pretty keyed on to that sound and it works very well and right now should be great but we don;'t have a spring season or it would work even better
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on June 06, 2010, 01:56:51 PM
I think it is still a bit early to say they are on fawns. Not that they wouldn't take one, but I think most are still on greens. Last week I saw a ton of sign in the skunk cabbage and salmon berries.

I did find a recent peel finally.
I killed a bear under this exact tree about 3 years ago. There had been a ton of peeling in years prior but after killing the bear there had not been any peels. Looks like another peeler has moved in.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F500%2Fmedium%2FwebIMG_8516.jpg&hash=04a107ea53469aa763819a43a2b1a35cdb7cafc6)
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bobcat on June 06, 2010, 03:28:32 PM
I sat there from 5:00AM until 8:30 PM, a couple deer and a rabbit, nothing else...

Did I read that right? You sat in one spot for 15 1/2 hours?   :yike:   No way could I do that. 1 1/2 hours is pushing it.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 06, 2010, 03:47:30 PM
I sat there from 5:00AM until 8:30 PM, a couple deer and a rabbit, nothing else...

Did I read that right? You sat in one spot for 15 1/2 hours?   :yike:   No way could I do that. 1 1/2 hours is pushing it.   :chuckle:
:yeah:
First time I had ever managed it myself, I had done it once before (this season) for 12 hours, but my trail camera has shown a bear walking along that trail on a few Saturdays since the season opened (
 Monday, wednesday, and a Sunday once, but 3 SAturdays.  :dunno:
I have a "Beast Hunter" game on my GPS I am getting good at, and brought a book,
I have a jumble of logs to sit in, so from my head down I am concealed, and brought my little blind chair with me..
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: billythekidrock on June 06, 2010, 04:26:43 PM
That is a lot longer then I have ever sat....anywhere. But if you have a good trail it is a good plan.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: bonecrusher on June 06, 2010, 04:35:26 PM
that my friend is some patience there, heck if i woulda just sat for 2 hours on the first day of the season it woulda been over. your puttin in the work up there, if it doesn't pay off this spring i bet it does this fall
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 06, 2010, 10:34:49 PM
 I figure now that the season is almost over, all I need to do is wait at that spot, and sometime in the next week one will walk up that trail.
3 different bears have walked past my camera since the 15th of April, at least one a week, unfortunately the only time that has repeated is around noon and Saturday, so I will definitely try again next Saturday, but I need to get a "Thermacell", the mosquitoes are getting bad!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: zackmioli on June 07, 2010, 12:08:23 AM
good luck man. i hope that patience pays off in a big way for ya!
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: workstohunt on June 07, 2010, 08:40:49 AM
They are on fawns. Found some "bear POO" with hair and bones and thought it was strange. It was very large for a coyote. (should of took a picture) Found some real fresh peels. first ones in 2 weeks.Then I came across this.


 
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: 300winmag on June 10, 2010, 07:44:35 PM
you live and die by the dot on the sign not what the map says they change those dots often and it is a
$550  ticket if you are caught behind that red dot driving around even if the gate is open.
Title: Re: Spring Bear in Lincoln 501
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on June 10, 2010, 11:27:47 PM
you live and die by the dot on the sign not what the map says they change those dots often and it is a
$550  ticket if you are caught behind that red dot driving around even if the gate is open.
:dunno:  ???
I am not sure what you are referring to, My permit clearly states that I am allowed in area after 3:00 PM Mon-Friday, and all day  Sat, Sun, I drive in on a GREEN dot road, that says area is open to drive in, however I follow the rules according to my understanding, AFTER 3:00 PM on weekdays, and ALL DAY Sat, Sun.
The Gate I drive in is/has ALWAYS been GREEN, I do not go behind red, even though I would, because I have a permit authorising me to be in there, Weyerhaeuser Policy..
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 By submitting this form I agree to read and abide
by the rules set forth for Spring Bear Hunting.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/blackbear/education/weyco_bear_hunt2010.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/blackbear/education/weyco_bear_hunt2010.pdf)
It has a map, and legend, color coded....Clearly authorising me to be in yellow area...
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