Post by: MDGrand on April 19, 2010, 02:38:30 PM
Post by: machine on April 19, 2010, 02:49:40 PM
Post by: whacker1 on April 19, 2010, 02:52:57 PM
I think anything that smells like food is considered baiting. I think you are o.k. with deer and elk urine or something similar as a cover scent.
Post by: MDGrand on April 19, 2010, 02:55:15 PM
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Post by: bearmanric on April 19, 2010, 03:06:13 PM
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Post by: saylean on April 19, 2010, 03:11:40 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on April 19, 2010, 03:12:27 PM
Post by: saylean on April 19, 2010, 03:15:07 PM
Pay attention to Part 1.(d)
A scent would be considered a "substance".
As previously stated, ILLEGAL.
And yes, you can use scents for deer and elk.
Post by: h20hunter on April 19, 2010, 03:15:34 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on April 19, 2010, 04:10:40 PM
Post by: Kain on April 19, 2010, 04:27:08 PM
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Dear Mr. Kain,
Thank you for contacting the Wildlife Program with your question on bait. As defined in RCW 77.15.245 bait is defined as “a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.”
This includes scents, and other popular attractants sold by sporting goods stores.
If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to contact the Wildlife Program at (360) 902-2515.
Sincerely,
Mike Day
Customer Service Specialist
Wildlife Program
Post by: MDGrand on April 19, 2010, 04:37:42 PM
Post by: seth30 on April 20, 2010, 06:52:22 AM
Post by: MikeWalking on April 20, 2010, 08:37:36 AM
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how is a cover scent illegal?? The removal of your scent should not be illegal
I don't believe Cover Scents as in Charcoal based odor neutralizers are Illegal, they're not bait. But if you hose your self with Apple, Acorn, Maple extract? or the like that's differant...
Post by: bearmanric on April 20, 2010, 08:47:05 AM
Post by: duckmen1 on April 20, 2010, 06:31:48 PM
they can't eat it so how can it be bait
but this state is all screwed up and who knows what they'ed say
Post by: MikeWalking on April 20, 2010, 06:38:35 PM
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i read a washington game and fish article and it said scents were legal
they can't eat it so how can it be bait
but this state is all screwed up and who knows what they'd say
Anything that lures in animals weather it's Scent, Salt lick or jelly doughnuts is bait. It became illegal when Washington voters approved a new law against Baiting Bears & Hound Hunting Cougars.
It's still OK for Deer, Elk...
Post by: seth30 on April 20, 2010, 06:56:41 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on April 20, 2010, 07:01:19 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 20, 2010, 07:42:49 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 20, 2010, 07:51:03 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 20, 2010, 08:03:47 PM
I think if you are using "normal" types of cover scent you would be O.K., but dont smell like a jelly donut....
i read a washington game and fish article and it said scents were legal
they can't eat it so how can it be bait
but this state is all screwed up and who knows what they'ed say
Do it at your own risk. I say this every year, I have asked many game agents and most say that they would advise not using elk cover scent while calling for bears as you may be cited.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 21, 2010, 09:32:12 AM
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I have asked many game agents and most say that they would advise not using elk cover scent while calling for bears as you may be citedIf the officer is going to cite me for wearing elk cover scent while bear hunting, he is probably having a bad day, I don't believe that most of them care that much about strict adherence to the law,
If I got cited for that I would probably get a ticket for smoking my little vanilla flavored cigars also.....
I will take my chances and hopefully not have to "explain it to the Judge" Because I am not wearing it to attract any animals, nor am I smoking for that reason either.
I pretty much think it comes down to "intent", one could argue that while calling you are imitating a fawn/calf which has little to no scent so therefore...... :dunno:
I know you are just passing on information to educate us to the possibility of getting cited, but when you ask an officer, it is his responsibility to inform you that it might happen, not necessarily that it will.
The fact that you asked could demonstrate intent, in which case you would be cited, but if you are not using it with intent, would they still cite you ?
I guess it all depends on the officer and the circumstances....
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"bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.Key words, " purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them."
I am not using it to attract them....
Post by: MikeWalking on April 21, 2010, 09:35:11 AM
I've used differant Deer pee's can't smell it at arms length, maybe I'm buying the wrong brand.. :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on April 21, 2010, 09:37:25 AM
Just don't say anything about it. If you end up having to explain it to the judge, tell him that's what your deodorant smells like. Stupid law.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 21, 2010, 09:41:16 AM
I can smell an elk wafer from a long ways, and my buddies joke about my smoking by asking if I am baking something...
But that really doe not matter in this conversation, unless you are going to attempt to use something, in which case BE CAREFUL, that stuff they sell is powerful, one drop and you will smell it for a week.
I tried it once a several years ago, didn't work for me, but I got a head ache from it while driving to and from my hunting area.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 21, 2010, 09:49:53 AM
Post by: Bob33 on April 21, 2010, 10:16:19 AM
How's he gonna prove you're wearing elk urine anyway? :chuckle:When you show the officer your bottle of "Elk Urine Scent Cover" and tell him how well it works on the bears, that might tip him off...
Post by: chrisb on April 21, 2010, 10:25:52 AM
Post by: MikeWalking on April 21, 2010, 10:56:10 AM
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What about earth scent? it's not an attractant and is only to make you blend in like camo does?
Watch out! you may be stalked by The Hairy Tie Dyed Hippie Chick.. :chuckle:
Post by: chrisb on April 21, 2010, 11:20:07 AM
QuoteWhat about earth scent? it's not an attractant and is only to make you blend in like camo does?
Watch out! you may be stalked by The Hairy Tie Dyed Hippie Chick.. :chuckle:
No worries there i'll scare her off with deodorant and gillette
Post by: fishermanjoe on April 21, 2010, 12:45:23 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on April 21, 2010, 12:51:36 PM
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what if i like to cook breakfast while out in the woods? nothing like a big slab of bacon while bear hunting.
Yep, served on Toast with eggs cooked with Bacon salt, Bacon pepper, Baconaise mayo...and don't forget the Bacon flavored Chapstick before you head out... :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 21, 2010, 01:09:37 PM
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Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2010, 01:40:42 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on April 23, 2010, 04:22:01 PM
I gather that no scents makes no sense? :chuckle:
thats our wdfw at work