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Title: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: wolfbait on April 25, 2010, 11:19:32 PM
Wolf's howl should be a solo performance

Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns

By Darcy Henton, Edmonton JournalApril 5, 2010Comments (6)


The next time you feel like joining wolves howling at the moon, you might want to think twice.

Alberta carnivore expert Cam McTavish says it is animal harassment.

"When we have commercial groups or individuals or even researchers that are randomly calling wolf howls, I feel it is unwarranted," he says.

"In my opinion, it is a disturbing event in that wolves do react to these calls. If in their territory they hear another wolf howl, they have to respond to that wolf."

McTavish, 56, has spent 20 years studying wolves. He works as a consultant biologist in three Rocky Mountain national parks

Howls by even inexperienced wolf howlers can elicit a response and prompt a wolf to move either toward the howler to investigate or to retreat.

"If you are just playing around out there for whatever reason, it's a dirty trick to stress these guys -- either psychologically stress them or physiologically stress them -- making them expend calories they just often can't afford to expend. Nature just does not allow for a lot of foolish, useless movement."  Parks Canada has banned elk bugling, a dangerous activity that can prompt bull elks to charge.

McTavish doesn't think there needs to be a law to limit wolf howling, but would like to see a program to educate park visitors about the consequences.

His comments, published recently in Jasper's community newspaper, the Fitzhugh, have sparked a debate among wolf specialists. Many have scoffed at his concerns, saying there are far more critical issues affecting wolves than the occasional howls of humans.

"It is somewhat controversial because some people feel there's just no evidence," McTavish said. "Some people think it is irrelevant."

He is adamant that indiscriminate howling is "playing around for no decent scientific purpose. "You are just disrupting a natural system for fun and games. Our intent should be to minimize our impact as much as possible."

Parks Canada says howling is not perceived as a significant issue.

"If it's done at a fairly low level, I suspect it's not a huge impact," Jasper Park ecologist John Wilmshurst said. "If it were to become increasingly popular, then I guess we would have to look at it more carefully."

Woodsman Bill Abercrombie chuckled when he heard about McTavish's theory.

"I'm not going to say it is ridiculous. Maybe the guy has a point, but I am not sure there are hundreds of people out there howling at wolves."

Abercrombie, 50, a trapper, outfitter and ecotourism guide, howls to locate nearby packs, but doesn't see how that would cause problems. He said there are probably 10,000 wolves in Alberta and they seem to be thriving.

If there was a huge downside to wolf howling, you would think they would have seen it by now at Ontario's Algonquin Provincial Park, three hours north of Toronto, where they have staged massive public howling events for nearly 50 years.

Rick Stronks, the chief park naturalist, said the public howls are held annually on Thursday nights in August. It is time of year when adult wolves are trying to keep track of their pups.

"We've had packs stay in place for a month or longer," he said. "That's a pretty good indication it isn't bothering them."

But Stronks said he's aware of Quebec research that suggests wolves may stop hunting to investigate human howls and that could sap some of the energy they need for hunting. :bfg:

"Is it a dirty trick? We are deceiving them, but based on the fact they don't pack up and move, I don't believe we're doing a lot of long-term damage," he said.

"We get as many as 2,400 people out to an event. They will get a talk on wolves and perhaps get an experience of a lifetime to hear a wolf howling. We believe it overrides any negative effects."

His predecessor, Dan Strickland, wrote How to Howl for Wolves. It is available on the Friends of Algonquin Park website.

"There's something magical about an August evening when you hear wolves howling and people remember the experience for the rest of their lives," Stronks said. "I think it's a great thing."

Lee Foote, an associate professor in the University of Alberta renewable resources program, said the benefits to wolf howling may be significantly greater than the costs. "In the long run, you could make an argument the wolf has been an ambassador for the species. If that raises awareness in society for conservation, that's a pretty low cost investment.

"If you can make somebody's hair stand up on the back of their neck -- and that's not an easy thing to do -- you can fundamentally change the way people think."

dhenton@thejournal.canwest.com



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Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 26, 2010, 12:10:46 AM
i want some of what he is smoking :chuckle: what a crack head :bash:
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: billythekidrock on April 26, 2010, 05:09:50 AM
This will be a point of contention when they go to stop wolf hunts. You can be that if they can't stop the hunt, they will try to stop effective tactics.  :bash:
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: ICEMAN on April 26, 2010, 05:43:20 AM
Expand this mind set to all of hunting, coyote calls, elk calling, duck, turkey. This is the future fight we will have.

When the liberals give animals rights, hunting will end.
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: PA BEN on April 26, 2010, 06:44:44 AM
Sounds like he needs to rap his arms around a tree :chuckle:
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: Idabooner on April 26, 2010, 08:20:00 AM
Expand this mind set to all of hunting, coyote calls, elk calling, duck, turkey. This is the future fight we will have.

When the liberals give animals rights, hunting will end.

I think you nailed it Iceman :bash:
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: quadrafire on April 26, 2010, 08:24:24 AM
If you can't hunt them, Just have "howling parties". They will run themselves to starvation. ;)
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: saylean on April 26, 2010, 08:26:51 AM
They got "do not howl/bugle, etc" signs up at Yellowstone....

These people are goofy as all get out.
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: runamuk on April 26, 2010, 09:00:12 AM
How about these giant freaks begin to consider minimizing their impact on the human species.....I say animals rightsist put undue stress on the average homo sapien with their unrealistic and unattainable ideals of a humanless utopia ....holy crap I am gonna start a campaign..."People have rights too"...stupid animal rights dumb butts someone ought to throw them all in the middle of some competing predators ......see how all that being nice low impact stuff works....
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: MikeWalking on April 26, 2010, 09:05:55 AM
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McTavish doesn't think there needs to be a law to limit wolf howling, but would like to see a program to educate park visitors about the consequences.

Two Words; First Amendment.  But he's Canadian they don't think about it.  I seriously doubt anything posted in Yellowstone is enforceable.
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: KimberRich on April 26, 2010, 09:06:37 AM
If you can't hunt them, Just have "howling parties". They will run themselves to starvation. ;)

 :chuckle: :chuckle:

I'm in.
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: hornhunter on April 29, 2010, 11:00:26 PM
Is it OK to howl at Idaho Wolves with 200 grain accubonds?  or is that disturbing also? :dunno:   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: canyelk48 on April 30, 2010, 02:17:19 PM
"But Stronks said he's aware of Quebec research that suggests wolves may stop hunting to investigate human howls and that could sap some of the energy they need for hunting"

Heck, I say we all go out every night and howl at the wolves and maybe save a few elk and deer in the process! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: Fastass350 on April 30, 2010, 03:59:18 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: shanevg on May 01, 2010, 08:58:59 AM
Last fall in Glacier I would bugle for elk every day. I couldn't believe how many comments I received from tourists about how bugling wasn't allowed.  I did eventually ask a park ranger and he said he had never heard of any rules. 

It's amazing how any tool a hunter may use is automatically considered negative by all those left wing hippie National Park junkies.
Title: Re: Mimicking animal's cry may be harassment, expert warns
Post by: boneaddict on May 01, 2010, 09:08:49 AM
Psychological warfare.  I love it.   
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