Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on February 19, 2008, 03:39:07 AM
I think im right, heres my thought.
I count whitetails by counting all the points. so a four point is an 8 point.
I count muley's & blacktail by counting one side only. so a four point has 4 on each side, thus a 4 point is the proper way to say it.
Eye guards, hmm, i dont count them on muleys and blacktails.
I do count them on whitetail.
Whats are your thoughts?
Post by: PolarBear on February 19, 2008, 05:42:54 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 19, 2008, 06:11:59 AM
I count the points from the eyeguards up and, if an even number, one side only. They have to be at least 1" long to count. If it has 4 pts on one and 5 on the other it is a 4x5. I dont count eyeguards no matter the size or if they are split or multiple. My personal thoughts are that someone (like back east) who counts every single, tiny point is just trying to make it out to bigger than it really is. I have a 4x4 whitie with double split eyeguards, I still call it a 4 pt and not a 6x6. I also have a couple of whities with 6-10" eyeguards and do not count them. I do count eyeguards on elk as long as they are over 3 or more inches. I cant see counting 1" nubbs on an elk as a point. They all count when doing an official score but every day reference just the main points above the eyeguards. JMO.
Same here. I feel that the guys back east are counting for bragging rights. On elk we usually count eyeguards but sometimes we refer to a 5 pt as a "3 over" or a "3 over 2" if it has two eyeguards.
Post by: boneaddict on February 19, 2008, 06:21:51 AM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 19, 2008, 01:01:06 PM
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Post by: Muleyslyr on February 19, 2008, 02:16:31 PM
Post by: robodad on February 19, 2008, 03:26:58 PM
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Same here. I feel that the guys back east are counting for bragging rights. On elk we usually count eyeguards but sometimes we refer to a 5 pt as a "3 over" or a "3 over 2" if it has two eyeguards
So I guess there is nothing out here in the west to brag about ??
This is a silly subject, I think if a critter grows a point then it should be counted, those that count certain points and not others are just plain silly and confusing.
Relax guys, no one will take away your birthday if you just tell the truth, if it has them then count them !!!
Post by: Cougeyes on February 19, 2008, 03:45:27 PM
Post by: Hunting Cowboy on February 19, 2008, 03:59:42 PM
This is the west. I count all deer species the same. No eye guards, and one side only. If it has differing amount of points on each side then it is "by"......4X2, 3X2, 4X3, etc.
That's how I do it. It's understood that it is considered a legal 3 point if it is a 2 point with at least one eye guard over an inch in length. But to me it's still a two point with eye guards.
If there are cheaters, I count them as points if they are considered legal points...... 6x7 or 4x7 etc.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 19, 2008, 04:46:25 PM
This is a silly subject, I think if a critter grows a point then it should be counted, those that count certain points and not others are just plain silly and confusing.
I agree if it is over an inch and the critter grew it, than it counts.
Post by: Red Dawg on February 19, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
Post by: HuntingFanatic on February 19, 2008, 05:12:14 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 19, 2008, 05:41:00 PM
If you guys could count then you'd just count them all and there wouldn't be all this confusion.........westerners, gotta make everything hard on yourselves. :chuckle: You Washingtonians should have to take a math class when you take hunters ed so that you're all on the same level and capable of counting higher than 5 without the aid of a calculator. :chuckle:
:P Good thing I got some additional edumacation when I was in Georgia!
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 19, 2008, 10:13:18 PM
Any typical whitetail buck, except a yearling spike or forked horn, will have eye guards/G1s. There is no question what the typical configuration of a western count 4-point whitetail is, counting eyeguards; and typical adult buck antler conformation is either 4-point (G1-G3 + main beam) or 5-point (G1-G4 + mainbeam). The bigger and older they get, the bigger their tines get. I count brow tines on whitetails.
Mule deer do not grow eyeguards predictably, and it varies between geographic areas; size also does not increase predictably with age when they are present. I like to know that a 4-point is a typical 4x4 conformation, with or without eyeguards, and not have to wonder if its a "real" 4-point, or a 3-point with eyeguards. If I want to let you know there were brow tines present, too, I'll tell you it's a "4-point with eye guards" if it has G1s/brow tines.
It has to be at least an inch long, and longer than it is wide, to count as a point; none of this "if you can hang a ring on it" Wisconsin crap!
Post by: boneaddict on February 19, 2008, 10:24:12 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 19, 2008, 10:28:07 PM
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It's only an Eastern thing because they don't have anything else.
thats probably the most valid point made on this topic.
back east we count whitetails as 8 pointers or 9 pointers. they still all have to be an inch long to be legal, so thats how i, along with everybody i used to hunt with counted them. i don't know why you western hunters don't count them, but you don't and thats ok. i do on whitetails, because thats the way i grew up. when i came out here and finally figured out why all you jokers were speaking so highly of killing a 4 point, thats the way i count muleys and blackeys....no eyeguards if it ain't a whitetail.
i also agree i can't figure out why you western hunters have to make things so difficult all the time.
:chuckle:
kidding.
Post by: boneaddict on February 19, 2008, 10:46:17 PM
But take the extremes of the west....for instance, compare Texas with California, Montana with Pike street in Seattle. It takes complicated rules to deal with such diversity. :)
Fact is you have folks running around calling blacktails 300 pounders and little dawg like whitetails the same. You just need a cut and dried system that sorts out that kind of BS. :rolleyes:
Post by: robodad on February 20, 2008, 08:47:03 AM
So a 4 pt with eye guards would be an "10pt with eye guards" and without the eye guards it would be an "8 pt"
Folks could immediately tell what you were talking about and not ask what sort of configuration you meant.
As for elk, every point should be counted and called like this "3x5" or "5x5" or "6x7" ect, cause there are almost always eye guards on them and they should be counted just like any other point.
Post by: Ray on February 20, 2008, 10:58:46 AM
Post by: GoldTip on February 20, 2008, 11:20:11 AM
Eastern they count every point over an inch, bilaterally.
Western we count only one side including the eyeguards on whitetails, and only one side not including eyeguards on Mule deer.
Post by: robodad on February 20, 2008, 01:27:48 PM
Post by: GoldTip on February 20, 2008, 02:40:53 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 20, 2008, 04:06:57 PM
Listen to me for a second. If you shoot a WT with a fork and a 2 inch eye guard to make it legal then you obviously count all points.....Now for all you trophy mulie hunters out there...If you had passed up on three or four ok sized mule deer and finally last day comes and its 30 minutes from dark and you have a nice long tined 2x2 mule deer with 1 inch eyeguards (last deer of the season)..... Bamm!
You would do the same as the person putting food on there tables..... :EAT:You would count it and shoot it. I know that all you guys that have been lucky enough to shoot a big mule deer havent always been lucky and i know that when it came down to it you shot that forked mule deer with an eyeguard and counted it as a 3point! "But now that you have become a better, more skilled, and sucessful hunter you feel that you need to put yourself in a different catagorie?" humm? I think some peoples ideas as what they count are going to change now.
My final change goes for eyeguards count. :hunter: If you shoot a mule deer like i said and someone argues to me that i shot a 2x2 with sticker eye guards and i go to court....The second i show them that it has 3 points. That each point is aninch long or longer on one side. Then case closed, I WIN!! but i still only count one side unless its uneven.....then its a "BY(?X?)"
ALL POINTS COUNT! THATS MY .02 GOOD CENTS ;D :tup:
Post by: dbllunger on February 20, 2008, 04:14:39 PM
MD I just say "with eye guards".
Extras I just say "some extra junk"
Pretty basic and I just expect serious hunters to know what I am talking about.
Post by: boneaddict on February 20, 2008, 04:39:50 PM
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Pretty basic and I just expect serious hunters to know what I am talking about.Exactly..........
Just think.....picture yourself talking to some good ole boys. You tell them about the nice 4 point you got, you pull it out to show them and its a three with a little eyguard. Think how disappointed they will be in their minds.
Picture yourself the next year around the same fire. Your buddy is talking about the nice 4 point he got. he goes to his truck and pulls out a nice 4x4 with eyeguards, and the crowd roars. :)
Post by: Red Dawg on February 20, 2008, 04:45:00 PM
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Post by: Red Dawg on February 20, 2008, 05:09:32 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 20, 2008, 05:31:34 PM
Just think.....picture yourself talking to some good ole boys. You tell them about the nice 4 point you got, you pull it out to show them and its a three with a little eyguard. Think how disappointed they will be in their minds.
Picture yourself the next year around the same fire. Your buddy is talking about the nice 4 point he got. he goes to his truck and pulls out a nice 4x4 with eyeguards, and the crowd roars. :)
Im sorry but thats *censored*! And im glad to know that you are only hunting for what your friends think of and not what you think. Hunting to me is a passion not a combined sport were im trying to impress some body else...if you have a problem with it then call it a freaking 4x4 including eyeguards....
Then again that goes back to what i was saying about you monster mulie hunters. Everything has to be different for you guys.....not all of us can be that lucky......one persons 4x4 thats including eyeguards could be a trophy in there minds.....i would have thought you better.....
SURE DOES MAKE ME FEEL BETTER KNOWING THAT IF I GO HUNTING WITH YOU EVER, THAT I MIGHT GET LOOKED DOWN AT BECAUSE I WOULD SHOOT A 4X4 THAT IS A 3X3 MAIN FRAME WITH EYEGUARDS AND CALL IT A 4POINT
All points still count.....And the difference between it having a 1inch eyeguard and a 5 inch eyeguard shouldnt matter either way.......
Sorry if that dissapoints you that your friends (trophy deer to him) 4x4 isnt 4 points high. Its 3 high with an extra low? Thats stupid. you shouldnt be depressed or be like ohh? When someone shows you a deer thats a 4x4 i expect to see 4 points. I dont care if there sticking out the deers ass or all in one jumbled mess. I just want to see 4 points that are an inch long....all kills are excellant kills.......
DISAPPOINTED....? WOW! What a choice of words.........
I think that for the first time on this website that i truley have just been disappointed by the responses in this post.......!
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 20, 2008, 05:36:42 PM
as all of his character makes me run out of breath. :P
WELL SAID! ! ! !
I like those words CHARACTER and IT MAKE ME RUN OUT OF BREATH....And thats what all horns are....CHARACTER! and thats what all horns should make you feel like.....OUT OF BREATH!
Post by: jake on February 20, 2008, 05:42:55 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on February 20, 2008, 05:49:45 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on February 20, 2008, 05:55:12 PM
It's just all about expectations. For example, when the auto shop tells me my truck will be fixed in 5 days and it takes 7, I'm pissed. If they had told me it was going to take 7 days from the start I would be happy.
I seriously think a guy would pack into the Pasayten alone 8 miles and camp in snow and primitive bowhunt during a rifle season just to impress his friends...? We all have our reasons to why we hunt but others don't have to hunt for the same reasons that you do. We all have our different motivating forces.
If it was a whitetail then I'm not sure what I would expect they would bring out. Whitetails are scored so many different ways I never know what someone is talking about when they describe their deer.
Post by: boneaddict on February 20, 2008, 06:00:21 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 20, 2008, 06:06:30 PM
Wow!!! I did not know you felt so strongly about this jay. I think that we are having just a bit of fun. I think this is a case be case, deer by deer issue. how does everyone count double eyegaurds. Are they eyeguards or browtines or does that also depend on the species also. What do ya think.
I am very serious about hunting and animals.....Hunting for me is different....It means more to me.....I guess i could honestly say that i love hunting.....!
And yes you are correct i think alot into these posts. Im not hear to just give a stupid un-educated opinion(thats was not an attack at anyone) but i have close to 15 years of sucessful experiance hunting Big game and i look at this site as a learn all.....we can learn from all! everyone learns from everybody........so i take it very seriously, i hate bad gouge and would hate for anyone else to get any also...!
Think about if a newbie went hunting by himself and passed up the only deer that he was going to shoot and it was a Forked mulie with eyeguards and he passed it up because he read this post and people said that they didnt count eyeguards....sure would make a bad first hunt for a guy and make him less inclined to want to hunt again the next year(get what i mean?)
as for double eye guards (they are counted both) but i referance when one is shot that my friend shot a 5x5 with double eyeguards(that is including them).......extra stickers underneath the eyeguards are what i call(Extra stickers)
But anything longer than an inch is counted as a point. A point is a point...wether it is a 8x5 with dual double eyegurds and 2 extra stickers on the right base of the horn.......a point is a point ;)
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 20, 2008, 06:27:02 PM
Hunting means WAY more to me than that. Don't get me wrong though, I do love big bones.
I will be the first to harass someone if they make something bigger than it is, but thats just harassment, not mean spirited.
And i love big bones as well.... Its not like i shot the smallest deer in the world either last year.. *censored* i love my deer and look at the rack every day, and it is just like what reddawg said. it takes my breath away. my best and happiest day of my life and i relive it everytime i pick the rack up.
What you dont like my colors?........ LOL ...LOL
Post by: Red Dawg on February 20, 2008, 06:29:12 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on February 20, 2008, 06:35:32 PM
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Post by: popeshawnpaul on February 20, 2008, 06:45:44 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 20, 2008, 06:47:31 PM
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frickin big and tasty.
Perfect description that I bet Miles can't even argue with.
Post by: Red Dawg on February 20, 2008, 06:48:10 PM
Post by: robodad on February 20, 2008, 06:52:02 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 20, 2008, 06:57:23 PM
Post by: Curly on February 20, 2008, 07:21:15 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 20, 2008, 07:34:51 PM
So in washington does a deer have 4 legs or two??? :dunno: :P
Doe have four....Buck five. :chuckle:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 20, 2008, 07:51:51 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on February 20, 2008, 08:01:06 PM
Post by: Bookworm on February 20, 2008, 08:06:49 PM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on February 20, 2008, 10:00:49 PM
Post by: Dman on February 21, 2008, 03:17:13 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on February 21, 2008, 05:54:01 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2008, 12:00:47 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 22, 2008, 12:15:15 PM
Post by: Dman on February 22, 2008, 01:27:58 PM
If a guy is that stupid D-man then they should hang up their gun and go join PETA or some wolf hugging organization. I can totally see the arguement of who calls what what. Its obviously a personal choice or preference. But those arguments are insane.
Think you totally missed the point. Would the game warden be open for "debate" with the hunter on how many points the deer he harvested "should" have?
Post by: Dman on February 22, 2008, 01:42:29 PM
Warden: "Son, you've harvested and illegal buck, it needs to have 3 points, all over 1" long".
Hunter: "Come on, can't we call it a two-point rule, just for this week??? It's my birthday this week..."
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: robodad on February 22, 2008, 01:59:06 PM
Either way you look at it they still count as points and you are fooling yourself and confusing me if you don't count them.
I hope none of you shoot a buck with 2pts and eyeguards cause that will leave that many more for me to shoot !!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2008, 02:22:18 PM
Post by: Curly on February 22, 2008, 03:41:47 PM
Most people are aware that there are at least three different ways that people count points on deer. If someone doesn't find out the legal definition of a 3-point or 2-point or whatever minimum restriction is in use, he is an idiot.
Post by: Dman on February 22, 2008, 04:04:33 PM
"Most people are aware that there are at least three different ways that people count points on deer."
More than one legal way to count a 3 point in the State of Washington? I'm all ears??
You painted a perfect example of the problem. Some out of State hunter's actually do ask other hunter's in the State they are hunting questions about the regulations in that State. Frankly, given how accross the board we are on this thread with our own "definitions" of how to count points on a deer, if I was an out of State hunter I would never bother asking a local what they knew about the subject. It's all about consistency and frankly we're damned inconsistent when it comes to this topic, that's why we need to stick with the State's legal definition. That said every hunter has a responsibility to read and understand the regs, that goes without saying. I know for myself, if I read and fully understood the regs going into a new State and I happened upon a local who gave me some conflicting information, the first thing I would have to do would be go back and re-check the definition in the regs to make sure I was correct and I'd be a little pissed I must say. That's BS, if your going to give out information, it should be accurate by the State's legal definition, not one you invented, has absolutely nothing to do with how big someone want's to make their buck sound, pictures don't lie. my personal feeling is that there is a group of hunter's who hunt outside the State, where definitions differ in States like Wyoming, or Montana and they bring that definition back to Wa. and employ it here as well. That's not directed at anyone here, but that seems to me to be where the difference of opinion is created.
Post by: Curly on February 22, 2008, 04:47:43 PM
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More than one legal way to count a 3 point in the State of Washington? I'm all ears??
I didn't say "legal" way. There is only one legal definition of a "point".
Just because the law says a 3-point is defined one way doesn't mean that everyone should change the way they describe how many points a deer has to meet the definition described in the law. One should be able to differentiate between the law and what people mean when they say 3-point or 2-point or whatever.
Post by: Red Dawg on February 22, 2008, 04:56:25 PM
Post by: Curly on February 22, 2008, 05:05:03 PM
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WYOMING GAME AND FISH COMMISSION
CHAPTER 2
GENERAL HUNTING REGULATION
Section 2. Definitions. For the purpose of this regulation, definitions shall be as set forth in Title 23, Wyoming Statutes, and the Commission also adopts the following definitions:
(u) “Point” means any protrusion from an antler one (1) inch or more in length.
And I bet Montana has the same definition.
Post by: robodad on February 22, 2008, 05:25:33 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on February 22, 2008, 05:27:49 PM
Post by: Dman on February 22, 2008, 06:29:54 PM
QuoteMore than one legal way to count a 3 point in the State of Washington? I'm all ears??
I didn't say "legal" way. There is only one legal definition of a "point".
Just because the law says a 3-point is defined one way doesn't mean that everyone should change the way they describe how many points a deer has to meet the definition described in the law. One should be able to differentiate between the law and what people mean when they say 3-point or 2-point or whatever.
I must have missed something since hunting first began in Wa.. The State's definition has always been the same and has never changed. :dunno:
The Wyoming definition is not actually the same, here's Washington's:
"All antler points must be at least one inch
long measured on the longest side. Eye guards are
antler points when they are at least one inch long."
Does not read the same at all, it bears no mention of specifically an eyeguard as a point. One could also assume, an eyeguard grows from the base of the antler, not the main beam itself and might not be counted. Wyoming states "any portrusion from the antler" -not the same as base of the antler. Actually when I was speaking of hunter's in those other two States I was referring to guys like Eastman, who I do no believe counts eyeguards as points. I do like Eastman's as a whole.
We can go on and on about how stupid hunter's are who do this and that, the bottom line is changes occur to hunt regs all the time, even in season and consistency in information is the only way to stay on top of it. I won't agree with you, but hey, let's agree to disagree. I'm stupid enough to earn three degrees and draft Policies (with definitions) in my career, but what do I know :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2008, 06:41:46 PM
OK what the @#$% is a fork-n-horn ?? :dunno:
It's a strange way of referring to a 2 point. I've heard of guys in Oregon who use that term, but nowhere else. It sounds retarded to me. Did somebody here use that term? If so, I missed it.
Post by: Hunting Cowboy on February 22, 2008, 06:59:36 PM
That being said, My dad (who has always been a dedicated hunter and sportsman) but is and always has been a meat hunter happy to take the first legal buck he finds. One year he killed a fat 2x3. This buck had a 2x3 main fame but had several additional points around its bases. All were 1 to 2 inches in length making this bucks total point count a 5x8. There is no way my dad would tell his buddies and friends that he killed a 5x8. He wouldn't have even considered it and neither would I. It's a 2x3
It looks like a 2x3 with a bunch odd eye guards. Do they each count as legal points......you bet they do! Everyone of my dads hunting friends and aquaintance considers this buck a 2x3. No one in our part of the world would consider this a 13 point buck, yet it has 13 countable points. Maybe its a cultural thing, generational thing or a regional thing I don't know, but its what I and a lot of hunters I know grew up thinking. So we're each entitled to our thoughts on this and I guess it depends on how you want to look at it.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 22, 2008, 07:01:37 PM
Post by: Hunting Cowboy on February 22, 2008, 07:05:57 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2008, 07:52:08 PM
OK what the @#$% is a fork-n-horn ?? :dunno:
It's a strange way of referring to a 2 point. I've heard of guys in Oregon who use that term, but nowhere else. It sounds retarded to me. Did somebody here use that term? If so, I missed it.
i always thought it was a typo for what is really supposed to read as a forked-horn.
Post by: boneaddict on February 22, 2008, 08:47:56 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2008, 08:51:58 PM
;)
Post by: bobcat on February 23, 2008, 07:34:19 AM
OK what the @#$% is a fork-n-horn ?? :dunno:
It's a strange way of referring to a 2 point. I've heard of guys in Oregon who use that term, but nowhere else. It sounds retarded to me. Did somebody here use that term? If so, I missed it.
i always thought it was a typo for what is really supposed to read as a forked-horn.
That's what I thought too, but there was a thread on ifish on this very subject, and many of those Oregon guys really do use the term fork-n-horn. Or is it forken horn? Not sure. But like I said, it's retarded. Now forked horn like you said would make sense. Where they come up with an "n" in there I have no clue. I would think the "n" might be short for "and." So then you would have fork and horn? :dunno:
Do we have any Oregon hunters on here?
Post by: Dman on February 24, 2008, 03:03:28 PM
Curly has it, Hunting Cowboy and Bobcat gets it......D-man, as always I'm worried about you. I missed the whole fork-n-horn thing. I've heard of a spoon buck. :chuckle:
Thanks for the concern :chuckle:
I've lost five pounds to the flu this week, probably not making sense anyway.....
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2008, 06:03:24 PM
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I've lost five pounds to the flu this week,
You're not the only one. I spent all day Friday and Saturday, lying in the house under a blanket, trying to stay warm, other than the frequent trips to the toilet. The first decent weather we've had in a while and I had to be sick. :bash:
I suppose I should weigh myself and see how much I'm down. :chuckle:
Post by: Hunting Cowboy on February 24, 2008, 07:00:57 PM
Post by: robodad on February 24, 2008, 07:07:21 PM
I have taken 2000mg daily for the past several years and haven't even had the sniffles, good stuff !!
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2008, 07:20:41 PM
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Post by: edmondshunter on February 25, 2008, 08:51:42 PM
Now that I live up here in the north, I must admit Ive changed my ways. I count all points on both sides. Eye guards over an inch long count.
Post by: Palmer on February 29, 2008, 05:31:40 AM
Post by: Curly on February 29, 2008, 07:54:26 AM
I must have missed something since hunting first began in Wa.. The State's definition has always been the same and has never changed. :dunno:
The Wyoming definition is not actually the same, here's Washington's:
"All antler points must be at least one inch long measured on the longest side. Eye guards are
antler points when they are at least one inch long."
Does not read the same at all, it bears no mention of specifically an eyeguard as a point. One could also assume, an eyeguard grows from the base of the antler, not the main beam itself and might not be counted. Wyoming states "any portrusion from the antler" -not the same as base of the antler. Actually when I was speaking of hunter's in those other two States I was referring to guys like Eastman, who I do no believe counts eyeguards as points. I do like Eastman's as a whole.
Dman, I usually don't like to bead a :beatdeadhorse: but I guess I saw this horse still twitching. :)
I just have to say that I still believe that the Wyoming definition of a "point" is the same as Washington's definition.
WY just says it with less words. It is a simpler definition.......no need to mention eyeguards specifically when they say " “Point” means any protrusion from an antler one (1) inch or more in length." That includes eyeguards since they protrude from the antler.
So, if we agree that they (hunters) don't count eyeguards in WY and the definition of a point is the same as in WA, then there is no reason why we can't count points on deer the same in WA as in WY.
Bottom line: count your deer any way you want.........just post pictures along with your description. 8)