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Title: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 12:13:24 AM: (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2FAntler%2520Images%2Fnake1.jpg&hash=08465b4b33d3eff6f4fbda3c974b428ce460f6cf).
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 12:13:51 AM: (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2FAntler%2520Images%2Fnake1tongue.jpg&hash=db62bd52ea4fd949ae898b5c848c64bfb758ec07).
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: bowhunterforever on May 13, 2010, 12:25:57 AM: Foe, Looks like a rattlers head
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 12:29:12 AM: How many do you think were in this hole?

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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 01:08:33 AM: not particularly pleased

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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Caseyd on May 13, 2010, 01:12:19 AM: Great pics.

Makes my skin crawl though :yike:
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 01:49:40 AM: Snake behavior is absolutely fascinating......... The big ones are always in the SAME place. The little ones are always in the same place. WEIRD
This got the ole' heart going. I know they aren't big western diamondbacks, but man. Guns were a blazing for a few. Needed a speed loader.
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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 01:59:58 AM: decent set of rattles......

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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 02:52:54 AM: OK, so here I am standing on countless snakes this afternoon, and not really alarmed. I take this picture.
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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 02:53:47 AM: I gently lift the rock off.
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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 02:56:17 AM: bare in mind, the aspect was basically straight up and down..........
I about fell over on this one, which in this case backwards would have been preferred over forwards.
they should make six shooters that shoot at least 10. :)
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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: 400out on May 13, 2010, 05:30:09 AM: I don't care how many are in there it's time to go :yike:
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Hornseeker on May 13, 2010, 08:05:04 AM: You know...I dont mind putting a skin or two on a bow...but them snakes do serve a purpose other than taking birdshot from your 22!!!! :chuckle: Just think of all the rotten little mice them *censored*s eat out there!

Were you up Robby or somewhere closer to home?
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: zackmioli on May 13, 2010, 08:11:21 AM: FOEEE!!! yuuuck, rattlesnakes freak me out. get a machine gun and start unloading! :mgun: :mgun: :mgun:
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 13, 2010, 08:19:58 AM: sweet pics bone! i caught a big ol bull snake at eh archery range the other day, put him over in the brush, then he came back to say hi. probably a 4 footer.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 13, 2010, 08:54:23 AM: Quote
You know...I dont mind putting a skin or two on a bow
:yeah:
probably make some good "trading stock" at the upcoming Rendezvous in Packwood.......
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on May 13, 2010, 08:54:48 AM: Pretty cool to see so many, great pic's DK. I haven't seen a rattler in this State since I was about 6-7 years old.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: grundy53 on May 13, 2010, 08:57:22 AM: Quote from: Hornseeker on May 13, 2010, 08:05:04 AM
You know...I dont mind putting a skin or two on a bow...but them snakes do serve a purpose other than taking birdshot from your 22!!!! :chuckle: Just think of all the rotten little mice them *censored*s eat out there!

Were you up Robby or somewhere closer to home?

let the bull snakes eat the mice. kill them damn rattlers :mgun:
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 09:18:01 AM: Closer to home.....getting too expensive to shoot them. Damn shot is 10 bucks a box (20 shells). Besides one errant pellet can put the hurt on a piece of camera glass. I did bust a few. Most of them I just stepped on or around. One time I was standing on about 100 1-2 footers, with about half of them buzzing. MAN thats creepy.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: BIGINNER on May 13, 2010, 09:20:23 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 09:18:01 AM
Closer to home.....getting too expensive to shoot them. Damn shot is 10 bucks a box (20 shells). Besides one errant pellet can put the hurt on a piece of camera glass. I did bust a few. Most of them I just stepped on or around. One time I was standing on about 100 1-2 footers, with about half of them buzzing. MAN thats creepy.

:yike: what kind of boots do you wear? i've had lots of run ins with rattlesnakes, but nothing this close... do they strike right away?
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: pat2bear on May 13, 2010, 09:27:12 AM: Bone- I think this is the only time that you'll have guys asking where you took these photos so they'll make sure NOT to go there. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: chrisb on May 13, 2010, 09:51:16 AM: I'm making my first trip to Potholes this July with the kids for a yote hunt, how prevalent are rattlers in that area? should we be looking for snake proof boots or gaiters?
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: BIGINNER on May 13, 2010, 09:55:11 AM: while we're on this subject,.. what makes snakeproof shoes "snakeproof"? what kind of thickness can i snake bite through? how high up the leg? this whole snake thing really got me thinking, lol i've been around rattlesnakes alot, but i got into hunting less than a year ago, and never really had experience with them up close,...
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 10:48:23 AM: In this particular area I wear my regualr hunting boots ALL LEATHER, I think that would be the important part. Remember their fangs are like sharp hypodermic needles. They are 12 inches high. I also wear snake chaps. I didn't for years, but had several close calls. I don't wear them other than when I am in the middle of these dens. They are almost vertical, and where they get you is when you crush them under a rock and rub the back of your leg in theri face. About the back of the knee. Watch your hands. Its precarious on shifting rocks with a camera lens and system in one hand and gear. I use a potatoe fork as a third arm or leg. Watch your hands! Not saying most of you climb around in snake pits. but I set my camera lens down, came back for it, checked before I picked it up and sure enough, one crawled up by it. Another I went to step down and almost put my foot on him directly. Thats how I got bit last time, right in the toe of my boot. They generally reach around and nail your foot, right about where those cool ventilated boots are letting that fresh air in. WEAR LEATHER! I'll get around to more pics.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 10:51:03 AM: We've had two documented fatalities locally in the last couple years. One was the one in Vantage, a rock hound, got bit in the neck. The other was a mountain biker, I believe in Cowiche canyon....snake flipped up in his lap and he died of DIC after being bit a couple agonizing days later.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Austrian Hunter on May 13, 2010, 10:56:15 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on May 13, 2010, 02:53:47 AM
I gently lift the rock off.
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:yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: you lifted the rock :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike: my neck hair are standing up, I got the chills
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 13, 2010, 11:34:07 AM: wow cool, i have only found one den of rattlers before. found a few bull snake dens over the years as well but i leave them alone i spend many $ and miles running around snake hunting over the years
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: predatorpro on May 13, 2010, 05:45:42 PM: those are some beautiful northern pacifics! i love snakes i got some good pics of them too i even have 4 snakes, 3 ball pythons and 1 boa i use to have alot more but kids and a smaller house put a dent in my collection of animals
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Curly on May 13, 2010, 06:16:57 PM: Bone, what is DIC?

Great pics by the way.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: danceswitharrows on May 13, 2010, 06:47:51 PM: Quote from: pat2bear on May 13, 2010, 09:27:12 AM
Bone- I think this is the only time that you'll have guys asking where you took these photos so they'll make sure NOT to go there. :chuckle:

x2
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: chrisb on May 13, 2010, 08:06:30 PM: DIC = Disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC), also known as consumptive coagulopathy, is a pathological activation of coagulation (blood clotting) mechanisms that happens in response to a variety of diseases. DIC leads to the formation of small blood clots inside the blood vessels throughout the body.[1] As the small clots consume coagulation proteins and platelets, normal coagulation is disrupted and abnormal bleeding occurs from the skin (e.g. from sites where blood samples were taken), the digestive tract, the respiratory tract and surgical wounds. The small clots also disrupt normal blood flow to organs (such as the kidneys), which may malfunction as a result.[2]
DIC can occur acutely but also on a slower, chronic basis, depending on the underlying problem.[3] It is common in the critically ill, and may participate in the development of multiple organ failure, which may lead to death.[4]
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 14, 2010, 05:59:04 AM: Yep, essentially you start clotting and if you survive that (kinda hard on organs) you start bleeding from everywhere.
As a bloodbanker, I throw all sorts of products at you as fast as I can, but your chance of survival sucks. Its called the coagulation cascade as there are a ton of things that have to work in order for you to clot normally. The original Cascade failure. GENERALLY one of the biggest killers with snakebite. The toxin starts the Cascade failure, and you go into DIC. Even with anti-venom as by now, the venom has nothing to do with your death. It jsut started the cascade failure.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: markts on May 14, 2010, 06:03:08 AM: Hey Bone, how many times have your boots been bit :dunno: Mark
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 14, 2010, 06:09:47 AM: Couple times. Usually from stupidity, like trying to step on their head or something like that. This time of year, they mostly want to get away from you, unless you pinch them with a rock or something.

Every year I find snakes with their rattles cut off. I HATE that. So, I make sure their head is munched before or after I do any cutting.

Best way to stop a snake is to bust them in the midsection. They can't crawl that way. You shoot them in the head and if its hot, they have the ability to shoot off into their exit.

HOWEVER, this means their business end works just fine when you go to cut their tails off.

BY THE WAY, you go to cut their tails off, BEWARE, they often shoot pure ammonia at you through their anus. Its in a fan shape, so make sure you aren't angled at it. You don't want to be standing in a rockslide with a 1,000 rattlers blind, or worse, bent over puking if it gets in your mouth. Its NASTY.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Shootmoore on May 14, 2010, 06:43:46 AM: Reminds me of my younger days, a find like that always called for the old deasel mix. Get a good burn going at the den and then a forked stick hunt for rattles, skins and meat from the ones that were fast enough to get away.

Shootmoore
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Quackwhacker on May 14, 2010, 06:49:41 AM: Looks like you need some good snake recipes! Awesome pics. Your a braver man than me.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: predatorpro on May 14, 2010, 07:25:44 AM: the hemo toxin in rattle snakes have more than just one protein strand designed to kill you
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: BIGMIKE on May 14, 2010, 09:53:09 AM: cooool pix. I have'nt seen those in the wild.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Hornseeker on May 14, 2010, 11:52:59 AM: I stumbled over, possibly that den, once a long time ago... and was not ready for the number of rattles that I heard directly below me... My reaction was pretty dumb...I came off that talus slope at a skip and jump pace... somehow didn't get hurt... SURE glad I wasn't carrying anything expensive like a cam, gun or binos at the time!!!

I've long forgiven Doug for his rattlesnake vendetta... but I maintain there is a good reason they are out there...just like all the other critters in the woods... guess its the ecologist coming out in me.... :hello:
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: bowhunterforever on May 14, 2010, 02:33:10 PM: i've got that ammonia sprayed on my hands more then once while cutting of there rattles. :puke:
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: robb92 on May 14, 2010, 02:42:17 PM: Cool pics!!! Thanks for posting them!!!!
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 14, 2010, 07:44:59 PM: Hands one thing, face another.......thats nasty stuff.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: saylean on May 14, 2010, 07:47:20 PM: great pics man. I love snakes! Used to catch em all the time as a kid...well...red racers and gardeners...no rattlers...
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 14, 2010, 08:01:37 PM: Thanks!

Here is one waiting for the back of someones leg as they step over the rock
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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 14, 2010, 08:02:39 PM: notice anything wrong here. I put down the lens and went on, then came back for it.....
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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 14, 2010, 08:09:32 PM: (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2FAntler%2520Images%2Fnakelove.jpg&hash=19a00342c621da201eacb069d724b952cd7b6289).
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: NWTFhunter on May 14, 2010, 10:05:07 PM: Screw That Doug !!!!! You keep your damn snakes, I kill em !
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Austrian Hunter on May 16, 2010, 03:47:10 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on May 14, 2010, 08:02:39 PM
notice anything wrong here. I put down the lens and went on, then came back for it.....
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The damn snake is rite in center of your pic, to close for comfort :yike:, Nice glass Bone :chuckle:
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 16, 2010, 03:51:03 PM: thats crazy
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: yakimarcher on May 19, 2010, 12:44:51 PM: i hear they're tasty
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: runamuk on May 19, 2010, 12:48:20 PM: Quote from: NWTFhunter on May 14, 2010, 10:05:07 PM
Screw That Doug !!!!! You keep your damn snakes, I kill em !

I am going to stand behind you ok.....I do not like rattle snakes or any venomous snakes.....all other snakes are dandy ....
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: BIGINNER on May 19, 2010, 12:52:50 PM: YA. LOL I HATE RATTLERS. I'M ACTUALLY SCARED OF ANY SNAKE, BUT I HAVE THIS THING WHERE ANY SNAKE I SEE I TRY GRABBING IT... DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF SNAKE IT IS.. I THINK THIS HABBIT WILL GET ME HURT SOMETIME... LOL I EVEN GRABBED SEVERAL BIG RATTLERS BEFORE.....RIGHT AFTER A 25 POUND ROCK HITS THEIR HEAD
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: predatorpro on May 19, 2010, 01:11:26 PM: those are some great pictures here is one i found down on dusty lake trail at the quincy lakes
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: FC on May 19, 2010, 02:06:24 PM: Quote from: yakimarcher on May 19, 2010, 12:44:51 PM
i hear they're tasty

They are.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 21, 2010, 06:09:15 AM: I strattled one there predatorpro. I had to seriously resist crushing him with my $800 fly rod. I did the same over by Lenice. That one I actually pinned its head down with it until I could get the tube off from around my head. That was hairy and fun all rolled into one.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Hornseeker on May 21, 2010, 06:31:49 AM: One I almost stepped on last year as I was getting out of my truck....

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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Hornseeker on May 21, 2010, 06:39:17 AM: Nuther the pup almost got into.... i'm glad he's obedient...cause when i told him to get out of it... he did...
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Doug...if you stumble across one like this... you are going to need more than Snake Chaps to feel safe!!!!
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Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: boneaddict on May 21, 2010, 09:09:55 AM: Someday I hope to find one like that. I wanted to check out a den that has some 4 footers in it usually. Thats about max for rattlers in this state. Its interesting that they tend to be very aggressive too. I hope I get to it before they scatter. Not sure what they will do with this weather.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: buckhorn2 on May 21, 2010, 09:23:20 AM: Don;t like those things. Told a friend about a place to hunt in montana and he had his story in this months hunting fool. We hunted all over that place and with the story he has a rattlesnake picture I had no idea they were around there. It was over by miles city. Ernie I hope those are wa. pictures not montana.
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: Hornseeker on May 24, 2010, 07:45:46 AM: Hehehe....nahh...thems Montana Pics! (not the giant one...that is in TX or something??? I dont know)....

There are plenty in Miles City though!
Title: Re: Friend or foe
Post by: bowhunterforever on May 24, 2010, 01:56:58 PM: :yike: The one in the last pic is a monster hornseeker. How long is he?