Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: MasterTracker on May 17, 2010, 07:04:09 PM
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Would you pay $500.00 for a 5 day 100-120 class blacktail guided hunt no kill no pay?
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I would try to get my son on something like that if it was legit. He has not shot a blackie yet.
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is this a rhetorical question?
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do you get fries with it, :) i would concider
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No I would not. I could buy a tag in Montana or Idaho with the $500 instead.
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sounds like a pretty sweet deal but a bit fishy get it in writing and then see what happens
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In Washington?
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Ya i would but i dont believe that anyone would do a hunt like that for that amount of cash... imo anyway. Most Outfitters that do blacktail hunts are around 6 times that much and definetly dont have a no kill no pay. Alot of the guys especially doin them in california are like closer to 5000 with trophy fees. Sounds way to good to be true. But if it was then yes id be in :)
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No way I'd pay that for blacktail. I'm not sure what good a guide does you for blacktail in washington- they don't herd, don't pattern like a whitetail, and don't flock to private land. It's not like eastern wa where much of the mulie and wt deer pop. is on private ag land and you can pay to play on some farmers quarter section of wheat stubble. Blacktail are all over public land and timber co land- so you aren't paying for access. I doubt he scouts specific deer - he might.... but that's a tremendous feat for blacktail.... and if he IS that good, then he could charge way more- which makes me wonder. :twocents:
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This seems to be the going rates for a blacktail hunt around here:
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Is this an official guided hunt or something off of craigslist?
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Echo many sentiment's here, it would be hard to believe an established guide would offer any guarantee on public lands in Washington. At any rate, if you've harvested blacktail in that size range already, it might not be worth it to you, depends again on your own goals.
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I could see possibly offering a guaranteed hunt if it was on private land where nobody else could hunt. :dunno:
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if you're into guided hunts, $500 for a 120" blacktail seems like a really good price, especially if it's guaranteed. I would look hard at the guide's credentials though and ask for references.
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if you're into guided hunts, $500 for a 120" blacktail seems like a really good price, especially if it's guaranteed. I would look hard at the guide's credentials though and ask for references.
...and pictures from the last three years...
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I would assume you are lodging and feeding yourself. Without references and photo history I would be skeptical.
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sounds like that guy that likes to hunt the neighborhood bucks
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Maybe he's just an experienced hunter that's hard up for cash and wants to take you to his honey hole..... you never know. Maybe pay $250 up front and $250 when your deer is down. Just make sure you talk to him and make sure you know what your getting into. I know lots of places I could take a "pet deer" with a bow. It just defeats the purpose of why I hunt.
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i know that guide service very well. that shelbys guide service and he is the biggest joke ever.
i did a guided coyote hunt with him when i was younger and even though he guarenteed 1 if not 2 yoties i did'nt get anything
we practicly did'nt even hunt
we drove around main roads while he talked about past experiences where he has snuck clients on to private lands to shoot deer and how they have shoot deer right off the pavement on roads in that area.
we were only out of the truck 15 minutes on that trip.
on elk hunts he talked to us and tried getting us to book a trip to the peninsula with him and said he had 100% success on elk with his clients but the catch was that he had'nt been to the area in over ten years.
he said to us that he post the garenteed word on bear hunts with a higher price just to get more money out of people knowing they are'nt near guarenteed.
i refused to pay him but only half the price for that trip and i should'nt have given that pile of crap a dime. my hunt was suppose to be a baited hunt and then got turned into an electric call hunt and then when the day came it was turned into a mouth call hunt, but when the hunt came it was turned into a ride the pave roads and talk trip.
do not go their :bdid:
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kinda what i thought. he's at the sportsmans shows to i think. what a joke
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I was wondering if that was the guy he was refering to :dunno:
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I was wondering if that was the guy he was refering to :dunno:
I don't think it is, because the price list I posted was from Shelby's website, and a 5 day rifle hunt with him would be $2,100, and that isn't guaranteed.
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I was wondering if that was the guy he was refering to :dunno:
I don't think it is, because the price list I posted was from Shelby's website, and a 5 day rifle hunt with him would be $2,100, and that isn't guaranteed.
I wonder who or where this guide is then.
Is it a personal friend, do they have a guide licence, is it lagit :dunno:
To many un answered question, and to little information.
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Yes, and the original poster of the topic has not been back to check in and fill us in on more details. What type of license is required in this state to be a hunting guide? I wasn't aware there were any requirements such as that.
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Yes, and the original poster of the topic has not been back to check in and fill us in on more details. What type of license is required in this state to be a hunting guide? I wasn't aware there were any requirements such as that.
I do believe there is a Guide Lic that must be obtained to call your self a legal hunting guide (no expert by any means).
Norsepeak would be the expert on this though.
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It's funny some of you guy's are like check his license and this and that. Well if you just dropped a 100+ class blacktail on public land fair chase. Had up to a 5 day one on one hunt and also were learning how to pattern and hunt these darn ghosts. would you say can i see your license? How many people have hired a person under the table to do work? well normally you check references and or see there work.
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if you dont want our opinions dont ask ;) but if that is what you want to pay a guide for then go for it no one one here really cares were you spend your money unless your donating to save a wolf or the obama administration :chuckle:
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I wouldn't trust any guarantee in regard to blacktails. I've hunted them since I was 8 years old, and put in more days afield after them than any other species and still haven't connected on one.
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I believe the first question was to see if any of us would be interested in a hunt from him. Kinda like a feeling out question to gauge interest. He probably has a couple of honey holes that he would be willing to take you to and if you shot something then you pay. Sounds fair to me. I know there has been times I've seen animals on private land thought, I wonder if they would take $500 to let me shoot that animal.
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It's funny some of you guy's are like check his license and this and that. Well if you just dropped a 100+ class blacktail on public land fair chase. Had up to a 5 day one on one hunt and also were learning how to pattern and hunt these darn ghosts. would you say can i see your license? How many people have hired a person under the table to do work? well normally you check references and or see there work.
i wouldnt say can i see your license because when i drop a 100+ black tail its a DIYS hunt. dont pay a guide for blacktails in open units, get out and put some work in. you can do it with out a guide trust me.
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I really don't believe being a guide in this state requires a license. Unless you are hunting on National Forest, then you need a license from the USFS.
Mastertracker, I didn't realize you were wanting to be the guide. I thought you were asking if you should pay $500 to hunt with a guide.
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bobcat is right it depends on the ground that you are hunting, if you need a license. there are several from what i understand one is threw the fish and wildlife and the other threw the usfs. some guides and outfitters do not need them such as myself because of the ground i hunt.
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I really don't believe being a guide in this state requires a license. Unless you are hunting on National Forest, then you need a license from the USFS.
Mastertracker, I didn't realize you were wanting to be the guide. I thought you were asking if you should pay $500 to hunt with a guide.
I'd pay $500 to tag along with an experienced blacktail hunter for the season, even if he was the one taking the shot. A lot of people learn to hunt with their fathers, grandfathers, or uncles and some don't have anyone to show them. I really only started hitting the blacktails hard last year and I've been reading lots of books, and talking to people on here. There's a lot of good info but you have to apply it when you're in the woods, and sometimes having someone there to show you first hand what to look for is a huge help!
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i tell ya what, give me 500 bucks you wear the back pack, bring the lunch and haul out the deer and you can come with me :
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i tell ya what, give me 500 bucks you wear the back pack, bring the lunch and haul out the deer and you can come with me :
After that one from last year I might have to take you up on that :chuckle:
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i tell ya what, give me 500 bucks you wear the back pack, bring the lunch and haul out the deer and you can come with me :
I was thinking the same thing only for bears. :chuckle:
Pay for my knowledge, not my "services". lol
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It's funny some of you guy's are like check his license and this and that. Well if you just dropped a 100+ class blacktail on public land fair chase. Had up to a 5 day one on one hunt and also were learning how to pattern and hunt these darn ghosts. would you say can i see your license? How many people have hired a person under the table to do work? well normally you check references and or see there work.
i wouldnt say can i see your license because when i drop a 100+ black tail its a DIYS hunt. dont pay a guide for blacktails in open units, get out and put some work in. you can do it with out a guide trust me.
:yeah:
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It's funny some of you guy's are like check his license and this and that. Well if you just dropped a 100+ class blacktail on public land fair chase. Had up to a 5 day one on one hunt and also were learning how to pattern and hunt these darn ghosts. would you say can i see your license? How many people have hired a person under the table to do work? well normally you check references and or see there work.
Troll..
judging by your past posts, it would seem that you know where every 100+" blacktail is in east king county. Do you really need a guide or are you the "under the table" guide yourself?
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I don't get why some don't understand the laws before they start polling interest to break those laws publicly :dunno:.
Why would anyone harvest an immature deer when they have unlimited opportunity at mature deer any given season :chuckle:.
Do you smell what the Rock is cooking????....
There are a few on this thread that could be licensed blacktail guide's, unfortunately the author is not one of them for several reason's.
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I would like more specifics on the question at hand, like is the poster the one that is offering the guide service or does he have the opertunity to be the client?
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I would like more specifics on the question at hand, like is the poster the one that is offering the guide service or does he have the opertunity to be the client?
It's way more fun to just make assumptions, point fingers, and get people all riled up. :chuckle:
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I would like more specifics on the question at hand, like is the poster the one that is offering the guide service or does he have the opertunity to be the client?
It's way more fun to just make assumptions, point fingers, and get people all riled up. :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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I would like more specifics on the question at hand, like is the poster the one that is offering the guide service or does he have the opertunity to be the client?
I respectfully ask, what does it matter if he/ his friend is breaking the law by taking money for "guided services" requiring a license in this State? He clearly see's nothing wrong with it either way, I don't get it.
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But does it require a license?
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I'm pretty sure a guiding license is not required for hunting in this state.......
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I'm pretty sure a guiding license is not required for hunting in this state.......
Me too.
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I think everyone probably knows what I meant, but now that I read my quote it doesn't look right. :P
I should have said: I'm pretty sure a guiding license is not required for guiding hunters in this state......
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I think the Department of Revenue would disagree. Whether they find out about it or not is a different story. If your calling yourself a "guide", that implies you are a business owner by definition, taking money for it is the other requirement. It's really about taxation, as some are aware, under the table cash is never a good idea if you are claiming to run a business, it just doesn't work that way, if it did a whole lot more people would be working for themselves. :twocents:. I think some are confused between a guiding license and a business license.
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I heard on contract work you don't have to have a business license unless you make over 10k a year, as long as you pay the IRS at he end....
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The IRS is not the same as the State Dept. of Revenue, or DOL. I have owned my own business in Wa. If you operate within the State you are also subject to taxation by the State, as well as the IRS.
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Good points Dman.
From the DOL website:
You need a license if you meet one or more of the following criteria:
Your business grosses $12,000 or more per year.
You are doing business using a name other than your full legal name.
You plan to hire employees within the next 90 days.
You sell a product or provide a service that is taxable. To find out more information about what products or services are taxable, Department of Revenue’s business tax guide can answer most of your questions, or call them at 1-800-647-7706.
Your business has specialty licenses available through the Master License Service.
http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/faqlicense.html (http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/faqlicense.html)
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...don't forget about liability issues if a customer gets hurt or there is an accident of any kind... under the table guiding seems to open you up to all sorts of potential problems. :bdid: