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Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: CP on May 19, 2010, 10:11:36 AM
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Remington sent me this spam today. Looks interesting. Anyone know if this is available yet and where it can be found?
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have not seen it yet.
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Sounds interesting. Wonder what the price will be?
Remington HyperSonic Steel – The World’s Fastest Waterfowl Shotshell
Featuring the New Xelerator Wad Technology.
Remington Arms Company, Inc.
Remington Arms Company, Inc.
Madison, NC –-(AmmoLand.com)- Few things are more challenging than hitting fast moving, high flying waterfowl. To meet this challenge, Remington is proud to introduce the fastest velocity, highest downrange pattern energies ever produced in the history of steel waterfowl loads; the revolutionary new HyperSonic Steel. To put it simply, waterfowl hunters now have the fastest, hardest-hitting, steel shot shell in the world, resulting in shorter leads to help hunters be more successful.
At the heart of the new HyperSonic Steel™ load is the patent pending Xelerator® Wad. The newly designed wad features a unique Ignition Chamber which allows higher velocity with safe pressures.
How does the Xelerator® Wad work?
The primer ignites a small portion of the powder charge captured in the “Ignition Chamber”, this captive charge accelerates the wad and payload forward until the remainder of the powder charge is ignited. The increased volume behind the wad allows for the remainder of the propellant to burn, driving the shot to 1700 fps without causing excessive pressure – all in just a fraction of a millisecond.
With the HyperSonic Steel producing velocities at 1700fps, the lead on flying ducks is shortened by 8-inches at 40 yards which gives the hunter a higher success rate and less crippling with fewer shots. Now waterfowl hunters have a load with the highest steel pattern energy ever produced; up to 16% greater energy than current steel high velocity loads, with longer-range lethality in 10 load choices.
“At 1700 fps HyperSonic Steel is the most innovative and exciting shotshell developed in decades. It will change the way that we hunt waterfowl” said Kevin Cross, Remington Research Engineer – Ammunition.
Features for the New HyperSonic Steel Waterfowl Loads
• Patent Pending Xelerator Ignition Chamber Technology
o Allows Highest Velocity with Safe Pressures
• The “World’s FASTEST” Waterfowl Loads Available
• Highest Steel Pattern Energy, 16% Greater Energy
• Longer-Range Lethality
• Industry-Leading 1700 fps Velocity – All Loads
o Shortens Leads by 11% (8 Inches at 40 Yards) About a Duck’s Body Length
• Higher Success Rate – Fewer Shots Required
• For the same shot size- Same On-Game Lead in Every Load
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rrarms doesn't have any yet but you can get an email when they do http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=A26775 (http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=A26775) pretty good price to 19.68
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You will be able to pick it up this fall. My buddy has had a chance to test some of it last season. He mentioned that there was a lot of residual powder in the gun, it may be pretty hard on some of the auto guns. More breaking parts if you shoot lots of it.
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Well guys, I got a chance to hunt scoters in January with a rep from Heavi Shot. We went out with some improved "steel shot" and it was devastating. I am sure this is Remington's response to the new Heavi Shot load. Lets hope the price is bareable. :twocents:
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My only real problem with ammo like this means guys will take a 90yd shot instead of a 70yd shot. I seem to kill birds just fine with what ever load is the cheapest by the case. :twocents:
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I've heard people say that once you get over 1500-1600fps the shot becomes erradic and unpredictable as the BB's will tend to bounce off each other and can throw off the pattern. I have no idea of that's true or not.
I'd prefer to use a smaller shot when trophy hunting, but with my 835 with modified extended choke, my best round has been a cheap 3" BB. I swear I've tried everything else, but this seems to pattern the best with my gun. It hasn't really anhilated anything, but when my buddy and I both hit a wood duck hen at the same time that did a number on her.
My only real problem with ammo like this means guys will take a 90yd shot instead of a 70yd shot. I seem to kill birds just fine with what ever load is the cheapest by the case. :twocents:
LOL you make it sound like that's a long ways.. :bash:
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My only real problem with ammo like this means guys will take a 90yd shot instead of a 70yd shot. I seem to kill birds just fine with what ever load is the cheapest by the case. :twocents:
:yeah: If you shoot straight you'll hit it. Everything else is for the cameras
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I've heard people say that once you get over 1500-1600fps the shot becomes erradic and unpredictable as the BB's will tend to bounce off each other and can throw off the pattern. I have no idea of that's true or not.
I'd prefer to use a smaller shot when trophy hunting, but with my 835 with modified extended choke, my best round has been a cheap 3" BB. I swear I've tried everything else, but this seems to pattern the best with my gun. It hasn't really anhilated anything, but when my buddy and I both hit a wood duck hen at the same time that did a number on her.
My only real problem with ammo like this means guys will take a 90yd shot instead of a 70yd shot. I seem to kill birds just fine with what ever load is the cheapest by the case. :twocents:
I have seen guys take 90yd shots. Snow goose season comes to mind, any goose day in the permit zone. As far as the pattern goes it depends on the loads. I have loaded up some shells that hit 1730, reduce the payload and you can push velocity. My patterns with that load with a 935 where great out to 50ish. But I have heard of banana patterns with the higher speed stuff too.
LOL you make it sound like that's a long ways.. :bash:
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What's allowed Remington to break the 1700fps without loosing the pattern is the sold wad cup with the rear expansion. With the standard wad the wad peels off to fast and the pattern is erratic. They have been able to control this as the steel slows down. Only problem will be if you hit that duck / goose under 15 yards. The wad cup will probably be lodged inside the bird.
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I hope the wad hits harder than a choke tube. :chuckle:
My mossberg spit one about 3 years ago. :dunno:
Got a new barrel and a new auto-loader since than,
but it is still a memory seeing that bird get hit in the ass. :chuckle:
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I hope the wad hits harder than a choke tube. :chuckle:
My mossberg spit one about 3 years ago. :dunno:
Got a new barrel and a new auto-loader since than,
but it is still a memory seeing that bird get hit in the ass. :chuckle:
LOL I wish I could have seen that, and you really hit the bird? good stuff :chuckle:
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It was a long retrieve, but we got him. :IBCOOL:
It was hard to run in waders laughing and yelling. :chuckle:
It made the whole day.
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I will have to try a box this winter.
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These sound very intesting, I will have to try them too.
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The Kent Fasteel at 1550 fps works just fine for me :dunno:
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Looks pretty cool, but my guess is it is gonna be pricey....
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This is going to be the first stuff I try out this year. looks interesting. I guess if it is no good I'll go back to BC
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They have a full page add in my new DU magazine that I received today. I will have to give it a try as Benelli just rebuilt my Super Black Eagle II.
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They have a full page add in my new DU magazine that I received today. I will have to give it a try as Benelli just rebuilt my Super Black Eagle II.
Should rock you good in an SBE2. It says 50% more recoil in the 3" 1-1/4 oz load. The 3-1/2", 1-3/8oz load sounds like Beretta KO only :P
OK, where can I get some? When is it gonna hit the shelves? A little like a train wreck, I just gotta see this stuff :drool:
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It will be in the stores starting August. Most places will have it prior to this years duck season. My buddy is getting his shipment mid July. I will have to try some out on some starlings.
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My only real problem with ammo like this means guys will take a 90yd shot instead of a 70yd shot. I seem to kill birds just fine with what ever load is the cheapest by the case. :twocents:
Trust me, Skybusters will take 90 yard shots weather it goes 50fps or 2million fps. No getting around those screwballs.
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You get guys that are proficient pass shooters then those that just have no idea about how far to leed the bird. The guys will figure out when the birds are two high after they burn a box of shells with no birds down.
I heard the shells were going to be in the $19.00 -$21.00 per box range. We will see.
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Another tool for the morons... :bash: Sounds like we'll be finding more cripples in the marsh this season.
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You get guys that are proficient pass shooters then those that just have no idea about how far to leed the bird. The guys will figure out when the birds are two high after they burn a box of shells with no birds down.
I heard the shells were going to be in the $19.00 -$21.00 per box range. We will see.
I think the 3-1/2" stuff will be priced at arund $35/box :dunno:
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OK, $32.99
Ref: http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/remington-hypersonic-steel (http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/remington-hypersonic-steel)
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That's a big jump in price for a little more power and a wad similar to Black Cloud. They have to be making a killing off it. Time to buy stock in Remington.
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I would give this stuff a try but not at 32.99 a box.
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Skagit Arms in Burlington, WA just picked up 10 cases of this ammo in the #4 shot, 1-1/4, 3". Selling for $19.99 per box. They were running a special if you pick up a case $10.00 off per case.
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Skagit Arms in Burlington, WA just picked up 10 cases of this ammo in the #4 shot, 1-1/4, 3". Selling for $19.99 per box. They were running a special if you pick up a case $10.00 off per case.
is it worth it???
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Probably worth it for those that always shoot behind the birds or those that consistently shoot past the 40 yard mark.
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Probably worth it for those that always shoot behind the birds or those that consistently shoot past the 40 yard mark.
that is true... I try to take shots inside that 40 yard mark... if they are past that its not that sporting is it??
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You know it's funny cause i thought I had read that you bought 10 cases of it. Not that skagit arms picked up 10 cases of it.
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You know it's funny cause i thought I had read that you bought 10 cases of it. Not that skagit arms picked up 10 cases of it.
Hopefully it doesn't take me 10 cases for a season to shoot the birds I need. :chuckle: I will give it a try. I know the hotter stuff start tearing up many of the semi-auto's. If you start having jamming issues, think about the ammo being used.
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I just bought a box today I will take them out on Saturday and see how they pattern. I will see how they do against Black Cloud as well. I will try them in 3 different guns I have and see which one they do the best in with which choke. Should be a great day.
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I just bought a box today I will take them out on Saturday and see how they pattern. I will see how they do against Black Cloud as well. I will try them in 3 different guns I have and see which one they do the best in with which choke. Should be a great day.
Nice! You get the 3" or the 3-1/2"? Let us know what ya think. Is it worth the punisment? :chuckle:
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yeah would like 2 know as well
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I just bought a box today I will take them out on Saturday and see how they pattern. I will see how they do against Black Cloud as well. I will try them in 3 different guns I have and see which one they do the best in with which choke. Should be a great day.
Hey man, how have you been? I think i lost your number. Shoot me a pm and maybe we can go shoot sometime. I just picked up a new SX3 so I need to get shootin it.
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You know it's funny cause i thought I had read that you bought 10 cases of it. Not that skagit arms picked up 10 cases of it.
Hopefully it doesn't take me 10 cases for a season to shoot the birds I need. :chuckle: I will give it a try. I know the hotter stuff start tearing up many of the semi-auto's. If you start having jamming issues, think about the ammo being used.
:chuckle: I know you hunt A LOT, but I don't think even you could go through 10 cases in a year. I think that would be a sure trip to shoulder surgery.
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I've been good been doing lots of decoy painting, rigging and scouting. I still have to put a blind on my new layout and also my old one when someone else goes with me they can use it. I am setting up my layouts to hunt open water this year I am looking forward to it.
I found this site yesterday when I was do some searches on the Hypersonic shells. After seeing all the same guys on here I joined up. I was really glad that I seen your name as I haven't heard from you or seen you on the other site. I will shoot you a pm perhaps we can go out this weekend throw some clays and pattern the Hypersonics.
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I just bought a box today I will take them out on Saturday and see how they pattern. I will see how they do against Black Cloud as well. I will try them in 3 different guns I have and see which one they do the best in with which choke. Should be a great day.
Nice! You get the 3" or the 3-1/2"? Let us know what ya think. Is it worth the punisment? :chuckle:
I got the 3" 1 1/4 #4's. Skagit Arms didn't have any of the 3-1/2's. I will shoot these through my gold hunter and my old reliable 870. I think I will like the recoil a lot better with the Gold but we will see. I will post pics of the patterns from 40yds and also pics of my shoulder if any bruising.
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:yike: It says 50% more recoil in the 3" 1-1/4 oz load. :yike:
Your a brave man :chuckle:
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:yike: It says 50% more recoil in the 3" 1-1/4 oz load. :yike:
Your a brave man :chuckle:
Well if you're going to try something go big or go home. I don't think they will be that bad in the Gold Hunter but the 870 on the other hand may have a wallop.
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Skagit Arms in Burlington, WA just picked up 10 cases of this ammo in the #4 shot, 1-1/4, 3". Selling for $19.99 per box. They were running a special if you pick up a case $10.00 off per case.
is it worth it???
No it is not worth it. I took my box out today with Snoco and did some patterning. Let me first say dang it has some kick and is LOUD. It don't pattern any better than the BC and is terrible on your shoulder and ears. It sounded loud with the ear protection so we took our off to hear what it sounded like and it had a loud crack to it more like a high power rifle instead of a shotgun blast. I shot about 5 at the pattern boards then shot about 5-7 more at clays to see how they did on passing shots. It did put a hurtin' on the clays but I found I was shooting in front of the clay instead of on target or behind. After shooting 10-12 rounds my shoulder is bruised from the extra recoil. I can tell you I shoot plenty all year long when I go throw clays anywhere from 100-150 shells a day and never had my shoulder even a little sore. So I don't think these are worth the extra recoil, sore shoulders, and the extra loud noise to hurt your ears. I thought before I shot these that they would be my new round for the season now I am going to stay with Black Cloud. I have 1/2 a box left I may take it out during season to see how it does against the birds and perhaps I will change my mind but I really can't see me shooting many of these during the day and feel good.
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Michael,
Had fun shootin with you yesterday. We'll definitely have to go more often. I really need to get used to the new gun, and just get back in the groove with my shooting. I was pretty embarrassed with my performance. I can say the same about that Remington Mule Kick Hi-Powered Rifle ammo we tried. Although we can't attest to how it knocks down birds, it didn't pattern that great out of any of our guns, and i was even shooting a full choke. We'll have to see how it does when i order my pattermaster. I still like to shoot the cheap stuff, you saw how well IT patterned out of my new gun. 15 BB's in the head, dead bird.
-Dan
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seen this stuff at he moses lake wal-mart in 3" 4 shot for $17.00 a box last week. not sure if im going to try it, i seem to do just fine withe the experts, as long as you use your decoys like your supposed to i really dont see the point in buying these or any other simillur shell at that. :twocents:
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These shells are just a marketing ploy by Remington to sell more shells. "Magnumitis" rears its ugly head once again.. It doesn't take a howitzer to bring down a duck. Geez. :rolleyes:
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It will send a lot of auto loaders to the shop, especially with all the plastics involved these days.
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u also have to remember, with the balistics of steel, the faster it starts out, the faster it slows down, so its not really gonna help out that much with longer distance shots anyway, which is why most people are gonna buy this load in the first place. to beable to make the long shot.
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u also have to remember, with the balistics of steel, the faster it starts out, the faster it slows down, so its not really gonna help out that much with longer distance shots anyway, which is why most people are gonna buy this load in the first place. to beable to make the long shot.
Remington is using a rear braking wad for these shells similar to BC. This has allowed it to retain it's energy a lot longer. It will out distance the traditional wad cups.
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A friend of ours gave us a few of these shells to try out a couple weeks ago. As far as patterning goes, they patterned about the same as the Kent we shoot, no weird erratic patterns or anything like that. As far as the extra speed goes, if an equally dense pellet of the same size is going faster than the other pellet out of the barrel it is going to go faster for longer, it will make a difference at the last couple yards of your effective range. Be interested to hear what people find when they get to start killing birds with it.
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Found one of these artillery shells in the blind at ridgefield the other day.
I shot it today. it was my second round for those climbers i can't hit.
Nailed a spoonie with the first shot, another climbed straight up about 50 yrds, higher than I shoot normally.
That hypersonic round knocked the hell out of that drake. Killed it dead.
Recoil was like a 10 gauge. i had my ear plugs in and it was as loud as my 3in rnds when I shoot without plugs.
I dont think I could shoot them all day.
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I have a box... I think I might be too scared to shoot it :chuckle:
So far, all I have shot this year is 3" Fiocci at 1400 fps :rolleyes:
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i have shot 2 boxes it works well you dont need any lead over the deeks but this ammo is very dirty shooting it out my sbe2 you get crap in your face every shot other than that works well