Post by: Sundance on May 21, 2010, 09:32:34 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 21, 2010, 09:41:18 AM
They do ask (or used to) in the regs not to do it, but.....
Some people hunt for different reasons than others, that guy just wanted to shoot something, not hunt.
Post by: Machias on May 21, 2010, 09:41:37 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on May 21, 2010, 09:42:59 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2010, 09:45:13 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 21, 2010, 09:55:03 AM
I've shot grouse out of trees. Not sure I see the difference. :dunno:I guess it's just a "Turkey Hunters" mindset, kind of like ground sluicing ducks...
Every body has their own way of looking at things.
Ever try to call in a grouse ?
Or shoot males only ?
Post by: Machias on May 21, 2010, 09:56:05 AM
I've shot grouse out of trees. Not sure I see the difference. :dunno:
Not slamming on you but that is EXACTLY my problem with alot of Washington Hunters, they regard the turkey not as a Big Game Species, but a on the same level as a grouse, which is like compairing contails to deer, IMO
Post by: fishunt247 on May 21, 2010, 09:56:17 AM
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Post by: turkeydancer on May 21, 2010, 12:26:53 PM
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Post by: ICEMAN on May 21, 2010, 07:42:36 PM
It is a legal way to harvest a bird, lets just comment that some hunters feel it is unethical to shoot them from trees. No need to bash Bobcat for his statement.
Guys need to get out and get some fresh air. Anytime a group of hunters starts bashing each other, there is no end to the bashing. Why bash on someone who is following the law? Some guys choose to not shoot them in trees. Some duck hunters choose not to shoot birds which have landed. Some traditional bow guys really look down their noses at guys who use compound bows. Do we really need to put guys down who are following the law?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 21, 2010, 07:56:18 PM
legal is legal/to each there own/we are all hunters/united we stand divided we fall
Post by: Phantom Gobbler on May 21, 2010, 08:33:02 PM
Well we have not resorted to this "recommended" hunting technique to date, but stemming from the days when the objective was to put meat on the table, this would be an acceptable method of harvesting a legal bird.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on May 21, 2010, 09:16:36 PM
Post by: Machias on May 21, 2010, 09:33:47 PM
Crap, here we go again.
It is a legal way to harvest a bird, lets just comment that some hunters feel it is unethical to shoot them from trees. No need to bash Bobcat for his statement.
Guys need to get out and get some fresh air. Anytime a group of hunters starts bashing each other, there is no end to the bashing. Why bash on someone who is following the law? Some guys choose to not shoot them in trees. Some duck hunters choose not to shoot birds which have landed. Some traditional bow guys really look down their noses at guys who use compound bows. Do we really need to put guys down who are following the law?
I don't think anyone was bashing Bobcat, just pointing out that the wild Turkey deserves a little high place on the ladder then a grouse, that's all. 8)
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2010, 09:45:26 PM
Machias, to tell you the truth, I almost feel as if grouse in this state actually deserve to be "higher on the ladder" than turkeys, since grouse are native here and turkeys are not. Turkeys were put here for only one reason, and that is to be killed by hunters. So maybe it's not such a bad thing for someone to shoot a turkey out of a tree when they want to have a turkey dinner. :dunno:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 21, 2010, 11:21:16 PM
The ethics question is more of a personal thing, you can do whatever you like, if it is illegal, I will turn you in.
If it is what I consider unethical, that is my own opinion, I will just not hunt with you, or respect your ethics.
There are lots of hunters out there that just like to "get something" and believe that validates them,
Personally, I would rather go home with memories of how I accomplished a difficult task than just have the ability to say "I got one"
But again, that is my choice, you are welcome to your own.
As a Traditional Archer, I feel that it is not what you harvest, but how you harvest that determines the quality of the experience.
As a result, I have more good memories than trophies, but that is why I hunt in the first place, if it was for meat there is a WallMart down the street that has turkeys a lot cheaper, without the effort I put in just trying to find them.
Post by: Machias on May 21, 2010, 11:21:55 PM
Post by: fishunt247 on May 21, 2010, 11:32:22 PM
With ethics, as we've established, it's personal. And I truly believe that people that turkey hunt, and are really into turkey hunting, won't stand by the choice of shooting turkeys out of trees.
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2010, 11:46:00 PM
Anyway, I will probably eventually get into turkey hunting, when I have more free time, probably when I'm retired and when my kids are on their own. When I do I will be hunting them the "right" way. It's just like with duck hunting, or hunting upland birds with a dog. I won't shoot ducks on the water or pheasants on the ground (what fun is that?) So it's not like I don't understand what some of you guys are saying on here, in regards to the ethical way to hunt turkeys. But I don't have a problem with someone who would choose to take a turkey out of a tree, as long as they are doing so in a safe and legal manner.
Post by: canyelk48 on May 22, 2010, 06:59:59 AM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on May 22, 2010, 08:10:56 AM
Post by: runamuk on May 22, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
I've shot grouse out of trees. Not sure I see the difference. :dunno:
bobcat I rarely seem to agree with you but in this circumstance I do ....not sure how a turkey requires a different set of ethics from a grouse both are birds and both live in the woods....both roost in trees and forage on the ground :dunno: and turkeys are ugly freaky birds grouse ar rather pretty and oh so cool when strutting their stuff. I still do not understand this "ethic" of course I dont intend to hunt turkeys but my kid does and he has spent several seasons trying to get one I would not think less of a kill off a branch than on the ground at this point he has put in a ton of time and dedication.
Post by: Wayne1 on May 22, 2010, 02:38:43 PM
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If you just want a turkey dinner, then go to Safeway.
I hate when people say that.. Make's hunting sound more like a sport, instead of the intent of hunting for meat. As long as I pay for my hunting licence and tag with my own hard earned money, I I want to feed my family whatever legal game animal we feel like eating, the last thing I need to hear is that crap. I take it to the poster of that coment.. that when your hunting ... your not going after the meat... just the feathers... Save the animal's lovers, love to hear hunter's saying that... just give's em more ammo.... fact is... is if all your going for is the feather's, then your a sad excuse for a" hunter", and I'd have to use that word loosely in your case.
making note to self... add that name to the list of hunters never allowed on my place.
Post by: rasbo on May 22, 2010, 03:15:26 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 22, 2010, 03:40:11 PM
QuoteIf you just want a turkey dinner, then go to Safeway.
I hate when people say that.. Make's hunting sound more like a sport, instead of the intent of hunting for meat. As long as I pay for my hunting licence and tag with my own hard earned money, I I want to feed my family whatever legal game animal we feel like eating, the last thing I need to hear is that crap. I take it to the poster of that coment.. that when your hunting ... your not going after the meat... just the feathers... Save the animal's lovers, love to hear hunter's saying that... just give's em more ammo.... fact is... is if all your going for is the feather's, then your a sad excuse for a" hunter", and I'd have to use that word loosely in your case.
making note to self... add that name to the list of hunters never allowed on my place.
i am not on the list can i come hunt :hello: :chuckle:
Post by: deerslyr on May 22, 2010, 04:56:56 PM
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Post by: canyelk48 on May 23, 2010, 08:13:16 AM
QuoteIf you just want a turkey dinner, then go to Safeway.
I hate when people say that.. Make's hunting sound more like a sport, instead of the intent of hunting for meat. As long as I pay for my hunting licence and tag with my own hard earned money, I I want to feed my family whatever legal game animal we feel like eating, the last thing I need to hear is that crap. I take it to the poster of that coment.. that when your hunting ... your not going after the meat... just the feathers... Save the animal's lovers, love to hear hunter's saying that... just give's em more ammo.... fact is... is if all your going for is the feather's, then your a sad excuse for a" hunter", and I'd have to use that word loosely in your case.
making note to self... add that name to the list of hunters never allowed on my place.
Sorry to spin you up Wayne. The point I was attempting to make was that hunting turkeys (for me anyway) is more about the challenge of successfully outsmarting them and not about just hunting a turkey for meat. Does a turkey shot in the field taste any better than one shot out of a tree? No, but I feel better about the way I harvested my turkey. That's why I don't shoot turkeys out of trees, hunt dove over a baited field, shoot deer (or elk) feeding over pile of corn or apples that was dumped in the woods, etc., etc. It's just not my cup of tea; that's all, plain and simple. If I don't fill my tag, then so be it. I enjoyed the hunt whether I was successful or not. If I was hunting solely for the meat, then I could easily fill my FIVE deer tags and THREE turkey tags that TN offers each year right off my farm. If that makes me a "sad excuse for a hunter" as you so put it, then I guess you're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. Nowadays the majority of hunters hunt for "sport" and don't rely on hunting as their means of providing dinner for their family.
Post by: fishunt247 on May 23, 2010, 09:29:35 AM
Post by: cmiller85 on May 23, 2010, 01:37:16 PM
Ethics are basically: 1) Making a clean, quick and humane kill, 2) Following the Law, 3) Keeping up after yourself in the woods.
Everything else is personal preference. So, I think it’s interesting how people run others down for hunting in a legal fashion. I guarantee you that every one of us does something (i.e. hunt with a high powered rifle, use binos, use manufactured calls and decoys, bait, use hounds, spotlight) that someone else could run up and down all day long on how unethical it is.
If it is legal and people make a clean kill, who cares if it isn’t “Your Cup of Tea”? That’s what I see many of the people (who have no experience hunting turkeys or those who shoot turkeys off the roost) arguing. And they are exactly right.
I could give you a list a mile long of all the things I wouldn’t do while hunting, because its not “My Cup of Tea”, that are perfectly legal. But my reasoning involves my personal hunting “etiquette” not “ethics.”
Etiquette you can argue and debate. Ethics is pretty straight forward across the board.
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