Post by: PA BEN on May 21, 2010, 05:44:27 PM
Category/Special Hunt Application Required: Antlerless Moose
Who May Apply: Anyone may apply
Antlerless Moose
Hunt Choice Hunt Name Permit Season GMUs Legal Moose Weapon Required Permits 2009 Apps
8007 Mt. Spokane B Oct. 1 ‑ Nov. 30 GMU 124 east of Hwy 395 Antlerless Any Legal Weapon 14 3,554
8008 Hangman B Oct. 1 ‑ Nov. 30 GMUs 127, 130 Antlerless Any Legal Weapon 7 1,014
Moose Any Moose Hunts in this category allow the taking of either an antlered or antlerless moose. If a hunter reports taking a moose on one of these hunts,
or fails to report his or her hunting activity, no further special hunt applications for “Any Moose” can be purchased.
Antlerless Moose Hunts in this category only allow the taking of antlerless moose. Hunters may continue to purchase future antlerless moose special hunt
applications whether a moose was taken in the hunt or not.
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2010, 05:48:10 PM
Post by: Skinnyman on May 21, 2010, 06:07:08 PM
This year is a little different. The way I interpret it is that you are limited to one moose per lifetime taken in an "Any Moose" hunt (regardless of cow or bull). But after that you may apply for an "Anterless Only" hunt as many times as you want. There is no restriction on the amount of times you can apply for and be awarded an "Anterless Only" moose hunt.
Does that help??
Post by: Antlershed on May 21, 2010, 06:58:53 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 21, 2010, 07:45:09 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2010, 08:46:32 PM
In addition to what skinnyman just said, I read it as if you draw an "any moose" tag, and report that you did not harvest a moose, then you may apply for an "any moose" tag in the future. What stops people from shooting a moose and then reporting they didn't... :dunno:
Yep. That's what I was saying in another thread we had a while back. It should be that if you draw an any moose tag, you shouldn't be able to apply again, even if you didn't harvest a moose. The success rates are nearly 100% in every moose unit, and if someone didn't kill a moose it's either because they didn't put in enough time, or were too picky with what they were willing to take. I think odds are bad enough that people shouldn't have the opportunity to hunt bull moose more than once in a lifetime. I think I need to write a letter to the WDFW and inquire as to why it is that way. It just doesn't make sense.
Post by: Bob33 on May 21, 2010, 09:03:23 PM
In addition to what skinnyman just said, I read it as if you draw an "any moose" tag, and report that you did not harvest a moose, then you may apply for an "any moose" tag in the future. What stops people from shooting a moose and then reporting they didn't... :dunno:Bighorn sheep is the same. Mountain goat is the same.
This is a theoretical possibility, but practically speaking it is unlikely. First, the odds of someone drawing an "any moose" permit are on the order of 1 in 150 per year. The odds of drawing two in a lifetime would be very low. Next, he would have to harvest a 1000 pound animal and get away with not reporting it.
It has actually been this way for as many years as I can remember.
Post by: rb2506 on May 21, 2010, 09:20:35 PM
why punish them for not taking an animalIn addition to what skinnyman just said, I read it as if you draw an "any moose" tag, and report that you did not harvest a moose, then you may apply for an "any moose" tag in the future. What stops people from shooting a moose and then reporting they didn't... :dunno:
Yep. That's what I was saying in another thread we had a while back. It should be that if you draw an any moose tag, you shouldn't be able to apply again, even if you didn't harvest a moose. The success rates are nearly 100% in every moose unit, and if someone didn't kill a moose it's either because they didn't put in enough time, or were too picky with what they were willing to take. I think odds are bad enough that people shouldn't have the opportunity to hunt bull moose more than once in a lifetime. I think I need to write a letter to the WDFW and inquire as to why it is that way. It just doesn't make sense.
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
Post by: rb2506 on May 21, 2010, 09:51:24 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2010, 09:54:37 PM
Post by: lokidog on May 21, 2010, 10:12:29 PM
Post by: PA BEN on May 22, 2010, 05:31:18 PM
Post by: GoldTip on May 23, 2010, 05:44:21 PM
Post by: lokidog on May 23, 2010, 09:47:35 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 23, 2010, 10:12:52 PM
Goldtip, I think Skinnyman is correct above. It clearly states "Anyone may apply" under the antlerless moose category.I agree. Goldtip was correct prior to 2010, but with the subcategorization of permits this year, anyone can apply for an antlerless permit, even if he harvested a moose with a "any moose" permit.
Post by: bobcat on May 23, 2010, 11:14:59 PM
Post by: PA BEN on May 24, 2010, 06:13:12 AM
Post by: Antlershed on May 24, 2010, 06:36:39 AM
How many big game animals have you harvested? Of those, how many times has someone came to your house to verify your online hunting reports matched what was in your freezer? It would be pretty easy. Sheep you have to get checked by wdfw, so those would be highly unlikely for someone to shoot one and then report they didn't.In addition to what skinnyman just said, I read it as if you draw an "any moose" tag, and report that you did not harvest a moose, then you may apply for an "any moose" tag in the future. What stops people from shooting a moose and then reporting they didn't... :dunno:Bighorn sheep is the same. Mountain goat is the same.
This is a theoretical possibility, but practically speaking it is unlikely. First, the odds of someone drawing an "any moose" permit are on the order of 1 in 150 per year. The odds of drawing two in a lifetime would be very low. Next, he would have to harvest a 1000 pound animal and get away with not reporting it.
It has actually been this way for as many years as I can remember.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 24, 2010, 07:23:18 AM
Post by: GoldTip on May 24, 2010, 07:24:35 AM
Goldtip, I think Skinnyman is correct above. It clearly states "Anyone may apply" under the antlerless moose category.I agree. Goldtip was correct prior to 2010, but with the subcategorization of permits this year, anyone can apply for an antlerless permit, even if he harvested a moose with a "any moose" permit.
Believe me, I read the regs very clearly, and I came tothe same conclusion as above. But if you read the outlined box at the head of the Moose regs page, it clearly says if memory serves me, that you may only harvest one Moose in the state of Washington if you use a "any Moose" tag. And yes, I agree that it then say's "anyone may apply" at the head of the "antlerless Moose" category. Believe me, I was jacked, hell yes I'd kill a cow for sure. When I called Spokane F&G around the 10th of this month, they said that it was only open if you had not already harvested a Moose on an "any Moose" tag.
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2010, 07:32:08 AM
Anyone, EXCEPT those who have previously harvested a moose in Washington under the authority of an Any Moose special permit. An individual may only harvest one moose during their lifetime, except this restriction is waived for hunters who have harvested a moose in an antlerless only hunt or raffle and auction hunts.
I think somebody needs to write a letter to the WDFW and let them know of the discrepancy. Maybe I will, if I have time today.
Post by: Skinnyman on May 24, 2010, 07:46:29 AM
Its disappointing that some people will draw 2 moose tags before most of us draw 1.... Whats the rule if you shot a cow with a bull tag? :rolleyes:
There are no more true "bull tags" anymore, there are only "Any Moose" and "Antelerless" now. So if you harvest a cow with an "Any Moose" tag then you have fulfulled your once in a lifetime, even though you harvested a cow. So if a Bull is important, and you are lucky enough to draw an Any Moose tag, spend the time and energy it takes to harvest a bull.
Under the once in a lifetime rule, what you harvest doesn't matter (cow or bull), what matters is the tag you harvested it with, Any Moose Vs Antelerless.
But who knows, they will probably change the rules again in years to come.
Post by: rickc on May 24, 2010, 10:34:57 AM
Its disappointing that some people will draw 2 moose tags before most of us draw 1.... Whats the rule if you shot a cow with a bull tag? :rolleyes:
There are no more true "bull tags" anymore, there are only "Any Moose" and "Antelerless" now. So if you harvest a cow with an "Any Moose" tag then you have fulfulled your once in a lifetime, even though you harvested a cow. So if a Bull is important, and you are lucky enough to draw an Any Moose tag, spend the time and energy it takes to harvest a bull.
Under the once in a lifetime rule, what you harvest doesn't matter (cow or bull), what matters is the tag you harvested it with, Any Moose Vs Antelerless.
But who knows, they will probably change the rules again in years to come.
Skinneyman is correct, if you harvest any moose with the "any moose tag" then you are done in that category but you can now still apply for the "antlerless" tags. I drew the "any moose" tag in 2007 (I guess I'm an *censored* since I drew with 2 points), the next year they created the "master hunter" moose tag. I sent an email to WDFW saying that I believed it was not fair to allow those that harvested with the "antlerless" tags to still put in for "any moose" tags but not vice verse (who knows, maybe they listened).When I went online to buy my permit applications this year there was a glitch in the system and I had the option to purchase "any moose", "antlerless", and "master hunter" aplications, after about a week the "any moose" option was pulled out of my profile. So, as Skinneyman put it if you draw the "any moose" tag you better go find yourself a bull because once you harvest anything in that category you're done in that category, but you can now still put in for cow tags.
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2010, 10:47:40 AM
So if that is true, how do you account for this statement in the 2010 regulations:
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An individual may only harvest one moose during their lifetime, except this restriction is waived for hunters who have harvested a moose in an antlerless only hunt or raffle and auction hunts.
Post by: Bob33 on May 24, 2010, 10:55:35 AM
I killed a bull moose and I can purchase an antlerless moose application this year. I cannot purchase any other application for which I am not eligible.
I don't believe the state wants to discourage me and others who have harvested a moose from giving them another $6.50.
Post by: Bob33 on May 24, 2010, 11:03:22 AM
Sheep you have to get checked by wdfw, so those would be highly unlikely for someone to shoot one and then report they didn't.Not if you don't report that you killed one...what would they check?
Post by: GoldTip on May 24, 2010, 11:06:23 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2010, 11:07:38 AM
Post by: GoldTip on May 24, 2010, 11:21:20 AM
Post by: Bob33 on May 24, 2010, 11:36:21 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2010, 11:37:34 AM
And Bob is right, there's no doubt anyone can apply for an antlerless moose permit. The question is, if you draw the permit, can you legally harvest a moose with that permit. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 24, 2010, 11:41:58 AM
Post by: rickc on May 24, 2010, 12:11:32 PM
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Who May Apply: Anyone, EXCEPT those who have previously harvested a moose in Washington under the authority of an Any Moose special permit. An individual may only harvest one moose during their lifetime, except this restriction is waived for hunters who have harvested a moose in an anlerless only hunt or raffle and auction hunts.This statement applies to this category and this category only because of the way the categories are broken down. The sentence saying you can only harvest one moose in a lifetime with exceptions is is a re-use of the old statement (previous years) and does need to be rewritten.
In the "Antlerless Moose" category
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Who May Apply: Anyone may apply.Therefore there are no restrictions to that category, therefore anyone, even those having harvested "any moose" may apply.
Post by: rb2506 on May 24, 2010, 12:15:40 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2010, 12:20:04 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 24, 2010, 12:20:46 PM
Post by: rb2506 on May 24, 2010, 12:29:31 PM
Post by: rickc on May 24, 2010, 02:18:45 PM
If you read it exactly as it's written, anyone can apply for an antlerless moose permit. BUT... if you have ever harvested a moose with an "any moose" permit, then you cannot harvest another moose. So yeah, you can apply but if you are drawn, you can't hunt. :oSo does that mean that since I've harvested a bull with the "Any Moose" permit that I can't harvest another moose if I have a raffle or auction permit???
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2010, 02:32:50 PM
If you read it exactly as it's written, anyone can apply for an antlerless moose permit. BUT... if you have ever harvested a moose with an "any moose" permit, then you cannot harvest another moose. So yeah, you can apply but if you are drawn, you can't hunt. :oSo does that mean that since I've harvested a bull with the "Any Moose" permit that I can't harvest another moose if I have a raffle or auction permit???
Is that a serious question?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 24, 2010, 05:07:28 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 24, 2010, 06:56:05 PM
"I think you understand the reason for the moose application language. It is because if a person harvested an antlerless moose with an any moose permit, they may not apply for an any moose permit again. I guess I don’t see any conflicting information, but agree that your language may be more understandable."
I stated this in my email: "The question is whether someone who previously harvested a bull may apply for, and if drawn harvest an antlerless moose. The wording suggests that someone who harvested an antlerless moose first may apply for a “any moose” permit, but the opposite is not clear.
I believe the answer is yes: anyone may apply for an antlerless moose permit."
My proposed language for an "any moose" application was:
"Who May Apply: Anyone, EXCEPT those who have previously harvested a moose in Washington under the authority of an Any Moose special permit. This restriction is waived for hunters who have harvested a moose in raffle and auction hunts."
That settles it in my mind. If you have harvested any moose with an "any moose" permit, you cannot apply for an "any moose" permit.
You can apply for an antlerless moose permit, no matter what you have drawn, hunted, or harvested. "Anyone can apply" means exactly what it says.
Post by: rickc on May 24, 2010, 07:09:23 PM
No, not a serious question, just trying to make a point. If someone who knows nothing about the topic were to read that sentence and come to the conclusion that you can apply for a cow tag but not hunt, would'nt they have to come to the same conclusion about the other two choices in the same sentence. Just saying. I have a hunch that in addition to revenue, someone realized that there maybe some legal issues if they say that you can harvest two moose if you go about it one way, but only one if you go about it the other.If you read it exactly as it's written, anyone can apply for an antlerless moose permit. BUT... if you have ever harvested a moose with an "any moose" permit, then you cannot harvest another moose. So yeah, you can apply but if you are drawn, you can't hunt. :oSo does that mean that since I've harvested a bull with the "Any Moose" permit that I can't harvest another moose if I have a raffle or auction permit???
Is that a serious question?
Post by: boneaddict on May 24, 2010, 07:13:45 PM
AS for WDFW and their mix ups........i understood it as you can apply for antlerless moose this year NOW even if you have currently filled your any moose tag.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 24, 2010, 07:15:08 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 24, 2010, 07:17:11 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 24, 2010, 07:19:56 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2010, 07:33:08 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 24, 2010, 08:03:09 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2010, 08:07:12 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 24, 2010, 08:12:42 PM
The antlerless moose tags ARE NOT ONCE IN A LIFETIME either. Even if successful, you may:chuckle:applypay again. :)
Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2010, 08:29:18 PM
Post by: SI Eagle on May 25, 2010, 07:33:50 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on May 25, 2010, 07:55:20 AM
Post by: GoldTip on May 25, 2010, 08:47:37 AM
Believe me, just wait until the drawing results come out in another month or so... the cow moose tags are going to be at least twice as hard to draw as a bull moose tag. :rolleyes:
I fully agree and it is unfortunate, with only two units, this is going to be the most difficult permit to draw in this state.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 25, 2010, 08:49:30 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 25, 2010, 08:53:17 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 25, 2010, 09:23:58 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on May 25, 2010, 05:32:22 PM
Post by: PA BEN on May 30, 2010, 03:26:19 PM
Post by: rasbo on May 30, 2010, 04:23:00 PM
Any body hear when the draw will happen?nope,but when I draw with 4 points you will hear me scream :chuckle:
Post by: Skinnyman on May 31, 2010, 08:19:53 AM
But who knows, if I remember correctly, they had a loop hole last year that you could check results a couple weeks early, but then they said they made a mistake or something and that the results were not done and what was posted was not correct. But the final results were on time to what they said they were supposed to be. :dunno:
Post by: PA BEN on May 31, 2010, 02:28:15 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 31, 2010, 02:42:45 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 31, 2010, 03:24:49 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 31, 2010, 03:26:53 PM
Post by: PA BEN on May 31, 2010, 04:29:11 PM