Post by: WAmuleyHunter on May 20, 2007, 02:52:27 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 20, 2007, 03:13:12 PM
I would like to see a Five year rotation for the archery permits like
1 Entiat
2 Perrygin
3 Alta
4 Chiwawa
5 Chewuck
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on May 20, 2007, 03:15:44 PM
Post by: Ironhead on May 20, 2007, 03:48:24 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 20, 2007, 08:04:58 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on May 21, 2007, 11:56:05 PM
Michael
Post by: billythekidrock on May 22, 2007, 06:10:11 AM
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Post by: Muleyslyr on May 22, 2007, 01:06:05 PM
By just closing down the Entiat unit during general season it would destroy surrounding areas eventually. Absolutely should've kept it the way it was. Been working pretty good up to this point.
Post by: shag on May 26, 2007, 09:49:58 AM
They should reduce the rifle tags. Should reduce them enough to give frontstuffers a shot. Yet still have the total tags alotted same or less than last year.
The dept. need to be careful with such a gem! Still can't beleive the muzzloader guys totally screwed.
CD
Post by: Craig on May 26, 2007, 01:21:50 PM
Chiwawa 2 permits
Desert 2 permits
Naneum 2 permits
Quilomene 2 permits
give me a break.
Post by: boneaddict on May 26, 2007, 01:46:27 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 26, 2007, 01:50:19 PM
They should have to go with flitlocks, ball rounds and non rifled barrels. no more 209 and pyrodex.
Post by: shag on May 26, 2007, 03:06:29 PM
I can't stand recoil so I only shoot 100 grains. Plus mine is most accurate that way. So you see my pards Primitive with his Green Mtn barrel accually has the advantage.
Modern Bows will easily kill at 70yards and most will try 80 yds shots at a trophy buck or bull. So I have a 40 to 50 yd advantage. Hell I shoot pie plates at 60 yds with my old Martin Fire cat and it's 15 yrs old!
So why not make bow hunters carve their own arrows? Chip their own arrowheads? ETC.
Bottom line the front stuffers are getting screwed in Wash.
I use Black Belt Bullets. They are a soild lead bullet. They do have a small plastic powder check at the base. Supposed to enhance velocity and accuracy.. Truth be told Hornadys Great plains all lead projectiles shoot just as good.
To think that going primitive with a front stuffer is not the answer. Mostly because you'd have to go primative with a the archery guys also. And that ain't gonna happen
I do feel that pellets should not be allowed and washington already outlaws anything but a solid lead projectile.
The only reason I went inline was to achieve a more reliable ignition. Which in my eye's is a much more responsible solution. To many guy's with sidelocks that hang fire causing a flinch and the possibility of more wounded and lost animals. Not to mention I spend way to much money scouting and hunting to have a gun not go off.
I'd think that if they outlaw pellet's those same guys would start pouring powder again and most would cut back on the amount they pour. Reducing the range of the gun. Shotgun primers are NOT allowed in washington.
Inline's with 100 to 120 grains of powder are NOT capible of 250 yard shots. Even if I shot 120 grains my max is 125. Take away the pellets and most would be back pouring 90 to 100 grains.
Matter of fact with modern bows will shoot deer at 70 yds and reload alot faster than a inline muzzloader. So we have a 50 yd edge on archery guys. Big deal. Archers have longer better seasons and harvest at least twice the amount the frontstuffers do.
Now who do think is at the disadvantage. I know my pards side lock is capiable of better accuracy and prolly will stabilize the bullet for a little better range. Outlawing inlines dosen't make since.
CD
Post by: Slenk on May 26, 2007, 03:47:18 PM
the maximum range the best archer with the best equipment will make a good shot might be 65 yards, where as a muzzy might go 250.I had an inline (sold it after one hunt) didn't like it ,was no better than my flintlocks . If you tend to details the Sidelock Caplocks or Flintlocks will not be any slower in ignition or anymore unreliable .
They should have to go with flitlocks, ball rounds and non rifled barrels. no more 209 and pyrodex.
I have hunted with Flintlocks for the last 25 yrs. . Killed my share of animals .
If I want to PO an inline shooter all I have to do is hand my Rifle or Smoothbore to my oldest son and watch him out shoot an inline shooter . He has also out shot Rifle shooters on trail walks many times with a Smoot bore .My eyes arn't good enough any more to do it .
No brag just facts . We have done it more than once .
Post by: shag on May 26, 2007, 04:08:28 PM
CD
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 26, 2007, 09:08:53 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 27, 2007, 06:44:11 AM
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So why not make bow hunters carve their own arrows? Chip their own arrowheads? ETC.
I'm working on that.
I'm definatley not here, especially on this post to start any arguements about equipment, as we all need to stick together if we want to do any hunting period. I think the whole permit thing is screwed up with the Entiat, and for the most part I don't partake in it, so don't have a bias. For that type of open country, that is way too many permits for the rut.
In general, I think technology is screwing with hunting. With the new scent elimination clothing, laser sights, scopes with unreal clarity, with range finders, let offs, shotgun primers, inlines, spotting scopes that you can see the man on the moon, scents, calls, carbon arrows, I could go on and on.......Does anyone hunt anymore or is this a fashion show at a Star Trek convention. Give me an old front stuffer, or my stick bow, or the 30-30, and my dime store optics, and I'm good to go, blue jeans and all. I'll just stay downwind. I do have an itch or soap box if you call it... for the new muzzeloaders that you see on TV and in all the magazines, and how they call them primitive, with 9 power leopolds on top of their sabot loaded composite stock, pyrodex pellet, shotgun primer, rifled barrels. Hell, most of them have rubber for the shoulder too, just in case it kicks too much. I don't buy that as primitive in any sort of fashion. To me, those weapons whould fall under the category Modern rifle.
(By the way. I killed my buck this year with a longbow during the modern rifle season as I'd rather hunt with it, but am after a modern rifle late tag versus archery. My next challenge IS knapping my own arrowheads.) Again, I have no idea what Washingtons rules are now about what is a muzzeloader. I think the scopes are still illegal, but thats all I know. I do know that many states are starting to have the same opinion as me(Scary in itself), and traditional means traditional.
Post by: shag on May 27, 2007, 08:48:13 AM
The only difference between my inline and a sidelock is that the spark from my ignition dosen't have a curve in the road. All my old side locks were just as accurate at 100 yds. I will shoot at a critter at 125yds with my inline and I prolly could of with my side locks I just never tried.
I hope washington keeps it all lead projectile policy and would like to see pellets banned.
Idaho outlawed inlines this year. They have their head up there ass. Like I stated before all a guy has to do is get a Green Mtn. barrel with a 1 in 28' or 24" twist and it will out perform my TC inline. You can still shoot 150 grains of powder in a side lock.
I really like my TC Fire hawk alot. But will admit I'm in lust with a Lyman Deerstalker in the stainless Walnut version.
Boneaddict, congrats on your deer with your longbow!! I think i've seen pics of it before. Is it a twisp muledeer?
I swear someday I'm gonna make a video of me calling in elk and turkey with a santa clause suit on. It's all about wind and movement. Don't need no damn scentlok crap.. It's pretty funny a friend of mine thinks that scentlok is the greatest thing on earth. Has the boots, hats everything......... he wears it while chain smoking all the way to where he's huntin. What a dumd ass.
CD
Post by: boneaddict on May 27, 2007, 09:02:18 AM
Sounds like Washington has it going on in regards to keeping it primitive. I'm still in awe in hearing Slenk hunting with a flintlock. I think that is SO COOL!
Yep, it was a Twisp buck.
Post by: shag on May 27, 2007, 09:20:54 AM
Did you make your own long bow?
CD
Post by: boneaddict on May 27, 2007, 09:48:48 AM
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Post by: sagerat on September 28, 2007, 07:39:21 PM
I also with agree with Boneaddicts opinion on technology, it sure seems to be getting a little crazy. How much of an advantage do we really need? The sky is the limit apparently. I have yet to try muzzleloading but I do own a TC Firehawk, still new! Keep thinking I'll try for a Rosie bull with it. I hope the department leaves the ML restrictions alone, they are more than fair. If they allowed 209's, sabots and scopes it would hardly make sense to allow special seasons for "muzzleloaders"...
Post by: George on September 30, 2007, 08:43:09 PM
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Post by: George on October 08, 2007, 09:35:37 PM
I agree; too many permits for the November and December hunts are being issued. I would rather see that number cut in half. That would serve to maintain a very healthy migratory herd. Doe permits for the October season, to keep the local's population down, would also be helpful. Wdfw bios do not seem to share my interest in protecting the migrators. They point to the 32 buck to 100 doe ratio and say "there is no reason to worry". George
Post by: MichaelJ on October 08, 2007, 10:35:14 PM
Michael
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on October 08, 2007, 11:22:24 PM
Good luck to all the hunters this year. Gonna have a bunch of company to compete with for the few big 180 plus bucks that will show up.