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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Bearhunter on June 21, 2010, 12:08:13 PM

Title: Inline Muzzleloader opinions?
Post by: Bearhunter on June 21, 2010, 12:08:13 PM: Ok guys what in your opinions is the most accurate, mid budget or top end budget muzzleloader out there. Up until last year I had a Knight Bighorn 50cal which seemed to be a good gun. I am in the market for a new one this week and am looking for suggestions. Thanks James
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 21, 2010, 12:15:31 PM: the most popular guns out there from what i have seen is the t/c blackdiamond not made anymore,bighorn which you have, cva elk horn, and white rifles. i have the blackdiamond xr and the elkhorn and the elk horn is a inline bolt action muzzle loader and is my go to gun. they run black on black about 290.00 and black and cam 340.00 you will not be disapointed with this gun it is a great gun check them out wholesale sports is where i have bought mine.
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Post by: TheHunt on June 21, 2010, 12:25:13 PM: You want the top of the line... Look at Savage 10ML-II .50 caliber. Many very good writeup's and it is also modern powder capable as well (which is illegal in Washington today). It is also capable of 1 inch groups at 100 yards as well.
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Post by: Bearhunter on June 21, 2010, 01:03:48 PM: I no longer have the bighorn so Im in the market for a new one.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 21, 2010, 02:34:26 PM: yeah i ment which you had i figured you sold it from your post. looks at the elkhorn and see what you think.
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Post by: bobcat on June 21, 2010, 02:38:02 PM: The Savage is not legal for hunting in this state, no matter which powder you use in it.
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Post by: whacker1 on June 21, 2010, 02:39:23 PM: look used as there aren't many options in brand new in-lines.
Title: Re: Inline Muzzleloader opinions?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 21, 2010, 02:55:41 PM: Quote from: bobcat on June 21, 2010, 02:38:02 PM
The Savage is not legal for hunting in this state, no matter which powder you use in it.

that is right i just talked to there factory today and they said they do not make any conversions to make the gun shoot 11 or musket caps because it got me thinking. so it is not a legal gun here from what i have talked to them from and seen online don't drop 600-800 on one you can;t use here :chuckle:
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Post by: beagledog on June 21, 2010, 06:15:00 PM: CVA makes a desent mid range gun as they also make winchester muzzys . I had a winchester X 150 and got rid of it because I thought it was to heavy to pack all day in the hills but it was a sweet shooter. I too would keep an eye out for a used Knight or tompson if your not in a real big hurry.
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Post by: OneShot4x4 on June 21, 2010, 06:24:41 PM: CVA Buckhorn 50 cal. @ Cabelas for $149 after $20 coupon. You need to spend another $11 for the WA legal conversion.
Title: Re: Inline Muzzleloader opinions?
Post by: TheHunt on June 21, 2010, 06:34:56 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on June 21, 2010, 02:55:41 PM
Quote from: bobcat on June 21, 2010, 02:38:02 PM
The Savage is not legal for hunting in this state, no matter which powder you use in it.

that is right i just talked to there factory today and they said they do not make any conversions to make the gun shoot 11 or musket caps because it got me thinking. so it is not a legal gun here from what i have talked to them from and seen online don't drop 600-800 on one you can;t use here :chuckle:

So if it did use a nipple it would be legal. I am sure there must be an after market nipple for the rifle. Either way... Many states allow the 209 primer.
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Post by: beagledog on June 21, 2010, 06:41:31 PM: So if it did use a nipple it would be legal. I am sure there must be an after market nipple for the rifle. Either way... Many states allow the 209 primer.
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Not many of the western states allow 209 primers
Oregon doesnt even allow fiber optic sights
Title: Re: Inline Muzzleloader opinions?
Post by: Bofire on June 21, 2010, 06:43:05 PM: :)I do not think the Thompson pro hunter(etc) is legal either
Carl
Title: Re: Inline Muzzleloader opinions?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 21, 2010, 06:49:08 PM: So if it did use a nipple it would be legal. I am sure there must be an after market nipple for the rifle. Either way... Many states allow the 209 primer.
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there is very few states that have the restricitons that we do thepro hunter is not legal here either. and i talked to them and i am sure i posted that i talked to them today and they said they did not make one. there is a few things to make them legal here that gun is not.
Title: Re: Inline Muzzleloader opinions?
Post by: bobcat on June 21, 2010, 07:26:19 PM: Quote from: TheHunt on June 21, 2010, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: carpsniperg2 on June 21, 2010, 02:55:41 PM
Quote from: bobcat on June 21, 2010, 02:38:02 PM
The Savage is not legal for hunting in this state, no matter which powder you use in it.

that is right i just talked to there factory today and they said they do not make any conversions to make the gun shoot 11 or musket caps because it got me thinking. so it is not a legal gun here from what i have talked to them from and seen online don't drop 600-800 on one you can;t use here :chuckle:

So if it did use a nipple it would be legal. I am sure there must be an after market nipple for the rifle. Either way... Many states allow the 209 primer.

It still wouldn't be legal because it wouldn't be "exposed to the elements."
Title: Re: Inline Muzzleloader opinions?
Post by: Whitelightning on June 21, 2010, 07:56:27 PM: Bearhunter,
In my opinion the best muzzle loaders made came from White rifles, especially if you like shooting Heavy conicals. They are the easiest loading hands down and IMO the most accurate. I would reccommend the Super 91 or Model 98 as they are sleek well balanced and easy to clean. Doc the inventor of the White has a couple NEW OLD Stock Super 91's on his site. You can look at the rifles there and you can also give him a call and talk to him about Muzzle loading in general. You wont find anyone with more insight into Black Powder. www.whitemuzzleloading.com (http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com) His Phone number is there also.

If you want to hold one in person let me know.
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Post by: lokidog on June 23, 2010, 12:01:59 AM: Check out underhammer muzzleloaders search blue grouse and underhammer. The guy builds them in the Bremerton area. Weathergirl and I each have one and they are nice guns and legal here in WA and in states where in-lines are not, like CO is or was, haven't checked it lately. I think he uses white mountain barrels.
Title: Re: Inline Muzzleloader opinions?
Post by: Bearhunter on June 23, 2010, 09:05:25 AM: So I ended up buying a Thompson/Center Northwest Explorer last night. Its Camo on Stainless with a 28" barrell 1in48twist, will shoot up to 120grains of powder. Does anybody have experience with this gun, were should I start with a load. Was thinking the new Hornady bullets which are half the price of the Barnes but I was told the Barnes are really accurate bullets. Do you guys think 250grain bullets are heavy enough for a thick hided bull elk, or would I be better off with the 300grain's?
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Post by: bobcat on June 23, 2010, 09:40:24 AM: 250's are really light. I prefer at least 350 grains. In a Barnes you can afford to go a little lighter since they are 100% copper and won't come apart.
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Post by: whacker1 on June 23, 2010, 10:19:26 AM: With a 1 in 48 twist these guns are designed for conicals - heavy ones. I would try the heaviest saboted bullet out there and some heavy conicals to see which shoots best.

Many of the knights, T/C, and Remington inlines were either 1 in 24, 1 in 28 or something similar for twist, so it was much tighter and would spin the lighter projectiles.

I am not knocking your new one, just suggesting you look to the heavy conicals as an outlet. My client had good luck with the maxi-balls at 400+grains. (can't remember the exact number) He is still testing it though. It has only been shot a few times.
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Post by: bobcat on June 23, 2010, 10:39:09 AM: Actually, with the slow 1 in 48 twist, I believe it will work better with relatively light conical bullets. Lighter means shorter and that's what should work best with a slow twist. The faster twist barrels like 1 in 28 should shoot the longer bullets better. So if you have a choice between two bullets that are the same except one is 350 grains and one is 300, try the 300 grain bullet first.

I like the Hornady FPB bullet. I haven't tried it but I will when I get a chance.

http://www.hornady.com/store/50-Cal (http://www.hornady.com/store/50-Cal)
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Post by: Curly on June 23, 2010, 01:15:23 PM: I'd try TC Maxi-Ball in 370 gr if I had that rifle. Maxi-Balls always shot well in my 1:48 twist 54 cal renegade, so I bet the 50 cal Maxi-ball would shoot well in that rifle. :twocents:

The maxi-ball doesn't have a lot of bearing surface because of the grooves, thus the long bullet probably acts more like a shorter bullet bearing surface wise.........if that makes any sense.
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Post by: Whitelightning on June 23, 2010, 09:12:44 PM: The 1:48 twist will accommodate the the lighter bullet. I would definitely use the heaviest bullet that groups well for Elk. I personally love heavy conicals, they have never let me down and produce DRT on the critters.

Good luck and have fun, most of all be safe!! :twocents:
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 23, 2010, 09:16:12 PM: yep good luck get a few types of bullets and see what shoots best.
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Post by: Moose Eyes on June 23, 2010, 09:16:24 PM: T/C used to include suggested loads in their manuals so be sure to read through it before you shoot it.
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Post by: h2ofowlr on June 23, 2010, 11:09:57 PM: Buy a pack of each and see which one your rifle likes best. Besides, that thing doesn't have a scope, so you will have to revert back to your Red Ryder BB gun days to shoot it with those irons. :P