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Title: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on June 21, 2010, 08:44:02 PM
 Bought this Redfield Revolution scope this last week and was told it would work on my .270 Savage, assuming they are correct, what ring's would work as the scope shaft is 1 1/2" shorter than the bases?
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: mossback91 on June 21, 2010, 08:45:39 PM
get different bases
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: jackelope on June 21, 2010, 08:45:58 PM
Weaver makes an offset ring that will solve your problem. It seems to be a common problem with Savages.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: jackelope on June 21, 2010, 08:48:29 PM
http://www.weaveroptics.com/rings_bases/rings/detachable_alum/extensiontopmount.aspx (http://www.weaveroptics.com/rings_bases/rings/detachable_alum/extensiontopmount.aspx)
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on June 21, 2010, 08:51:23 PM
http://www.weaveroptics.com/rings_bases/rings/detachable_alum/extensiontopmount.aspx (http://www.weaveroptics.com/rings_bases/rings/detachable_alum/extensiontopmount.aspx)


 Perfect, thanks.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 21, 2010, 08:52:35 PM
yep diffrent bases would be the best way to go but like jackelope said they do make off set rings that would work as well
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on June 22, 2010, 07:10:22 AM
 I don't believe different bases will work as they would block the cartridge exit without a ring the the Weaver Jackelope posted.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2010, 07:23:00 AM
You could put one of those 1 piece bases that is a rail type mount and then put the rings anywhere you want on it, but they always seemed to be kinda cumbersome for a hunting rifle to me. Makes the access to the chamber that much tighter. I never liked them, I'm sure there's other opinions on them better than mine though.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Gobble on June 22, 2010, 07:44:01 AM
Get a one piece (rail) mount and it will most likely work
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: grundy53 on June 22, 2010, 08:01:49 AM
You could put one of those 1 piece bases that is a rail type mount and then put the rings anywhere you want on it, but they always seemed to be kinda cumbersome for a hunting rifle to me. Makes the access to the chamber that much tighter. I never liked them, I'm sure there's other opinions on them better than mine though.


i had had to do this. never had any problems.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on June 22, 2010, 09:19:17 AM
 I'll have to look into that, I have not seen that type of setup.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: arrowflinger on June 22, 2010, 09:29:55 AM
Here is a one piece to check out......they are pricey.

http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66_6&products_id=49 (http://www.dnzproducts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66_6&products_id=49)
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Jason on June 22, 2010, 09:36:44 AM
why is the tube so short?  is that model made for a short action?
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Gobble on June 22, 2010, 09:37:18 AM
The one piece mounts are more stable and provide better accuracy than the 2 piece mounts . Thats all I ever use on my Rem 700's
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2010, 10:05:37 AM
I had the same problem with a Vortex scope on my Savage mdl 10 but that was a short action.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on June 22, 2010, 10:16:38 AM
why is the tube so short?  is that model made for a short action?

 It appears to only have one size/model:

 http://www.redfield.com/_media/downloads/Revolution_3-9x50mm.pdf (http://www.redfield.com/_media/downloads/Revolution_3-9x50mm.pdf)


 I like the idea of a one piece, thanks all.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: mossback91 on June 23, 2010, 07:09:19 PM
One piece works awesome on my mod 700
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on July 11, 2010, 04:03:36 PM
 Update on this, I did finally get a mount set up for my model 111 Savage. Note, anyone thinking about buying this model, you do need a modified ring similar to what Jackelope posted, a one piece base won't work on the model 111 as it does block the chamber exit.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: AWS on July 11, 2010, 07:24:18 PM
Here's a picture of a one piece base on a Savage, note the cut out for loading the magezine.  This is a Weaver, B-quare makes one with multiple cross slots.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi6.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy222%2FBrowndaug%2Fsquirelstroop4200007.jpg&hash=fb8f1524c45acdd9ceb4750d23bb8f129e68b6a1)

Here's a picture of a set of DNZ on a savage note how the rings are at the front edge and rear edge of the reciever bridges instead of cernterred over them.

 (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi6.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy222%2FBrowndaug%2FDeadnutzTrooperntrailer008.jpg&hash=d0b85b14d6b5de5cf5f5940d9240abd2bcb83912)

Here's a B-Square on a Rem showing the multiple cross slots

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi6.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy222%2FBrowndaug%2Friflefs82508002.jpg&hash=f1c9c63dfeca7c617e3ea5c4e52ccdaea17a1459)

AWS
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on July 12, 2010, 09:04:59 AM
 Questions: Did you have to re-drill the single piece base and does not the cartridge eject into your scope? Seems like it would. What model is your Savage?

 Thanks.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: ML_Hunter on July 14, 2010, 08:23:33 PM
Questions: Did you have to re-drill the single piece base and does not the cartridge eject into your scope? Seems like it would. What model is your Savage?

 Thanks.

All bolt action rifles will eject sideways so the brass TYPICALLY does not hit the scope.  Most rifle companies will make sure if one uses a one piece base the gun will function correctly. 

Sometimes when mounting scopes (and I mount about 20 per week and more as hunting season comes up) I have to mount the bases on backwards so there is less distance between each other.  Even on short tubed scopes we can make Leupold two piece bases and rings work, like I said, just mount them backwards, front still goes on front, and rear still to rear, but backwards.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: ML_Hunter on July 14, 2010, 08:29:10 PM
why is the tube so short?  is that model made for a short action?

Some manufactures such as Redfield, sometimes Simmons, and a few other will make shorter tubes for making YOU think that you have better field of view (FOV) and better light transmission.  Well I have noticed that you get worse or the same light transmission than with longer tubes, and the FOV is in fact better BUT out outside edges of the Scope is not clear.  So, you typically get a scope where the area the you can see clearly is actually a smaller area and in my mind give you a smaller FOV.  If that makes since to you all.

Anyone agree with me...Disagree????
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: jackelope on July 14, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
the bases are different front to rear on that savage so I'm not sure how that'd work. In other words you can't switch them front to rear.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: ML_Hunter on July 14, 2010, 09:06:55 PM
I'm not saying change the front to rear.  I'm saying put them on backwards.  On Leupold bases, the notch to sit your ring inside of is not center on the rear base, its towards the back of the rear base, the front base is center.  Keep the front mount on the front and the rear mount on the rear.  But with the rear mount, the side that should be facing the back now faces the front.  So now instead of the notches for your rings being as far away as thy can from one another are now as close to one another as they can be.  Or you can just get a one piece base. 

Again I do prefer Leupold bases and rings, and its notched to give more room for the cartridge to eject...but not sure if the one piece come in a lefty model?  :dunno:  Another reason I like there bases and rings is they somewhat act as a quick detach.  I do however prefer Nikon scopes!!  ;)

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0006498710525a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all_NYR&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&nyr=1&Ne=46&Ntt=leupold&Ntk=Products&sort=all&N=50&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form1 (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0006498710525a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all_NYR&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&nyr=1&Ne=46&Ntt=leupold&Ntk=Products&sort=all&N=50&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form1)
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on July 18, 2010, 08:08:55 PM
 My understanding from the gentleman at Bear Arms was that they don't make a pre-drilled one piece base for this model Savage, though I do like the idea of a one piece base, from what you said ejection into the scope is not an issue. I had extensions on my last rifle, raising the scope up a bit for more clearance at the recommendation of Welcher's. At any rate I'll post a pic of the setup I ended up with next week. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on August 02, 2010, 07:46:29 PM
 Here are the Weaver fixed mount rings I ended up with, 1" high dual extension.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: jackelope on August 03, 2010, 07:15:16 AM
WOW...the tube on that scope is really short.
Title: Re: Houston we have a problem....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on August 03, 2010, 07:17:29 AM
WOW...the tube on that scope is really short.


 It is a really good scope though. Best I've owned, night and day brightness comparison to my Nikon and I really like my Nikon.
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