Post by: bigtex on June 23, 2010, 08:35:26 PM
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Post by: Wea300mag on June 23, 2010, 09:35:01 PM
Post by: Alan K on June 23, 2010, 09:58:17 PM
Be glad a fellow hunter drew the tag, not some hippie who took hunters education so they could apply for a hunt and 'save' an animal by drawing and intentionally eating a tag.
By the way, I drew a late Entiat rifle deer tag, if anyone could tell me where Entiat is that would be great. Also, I've never taken a buck in my life and plan to shoot the first legal buck I see. I never wake up early so if anyone knows a good road to drive mid day where I have a good chance to blast on standing in the road (I'd rather not have to pack it far, or at all for that matter), let me know please! And last but not least, I won't be over there until opening day, so the road needs to be easy enough to find. Thx!!!
JK lol. . . .
Post by: Grizzly95 on June 23, 2010, 10:00:04 PM
Sorry to sound like a cheesecake....I will return to my cave.
Post by: MLBowhunting on June 23, 2010, 11:34:20 PM
Post by: Vees on June 23, 2010, 11:46:13 PM
whoa! easy there Tex...I have put in for units in Montana that I have never stepped foot on. who gives a chite, really? There is nothing that says you have to give info to these people, so guess what? DON'T REPLY!
:yeah:
Post by: huntnnw on June 24, 2010, 12:09:33 AM
Post by: zackmioli on June 24, 2010, 12:45:49 AM
i understand his rant to a point, if someone is just blindly applying for hunts and gets drawn and has no idea what to do or where to go that is frustrating, but at the same time as long as its a fellow hunter ill still be happy for them (and jealous).
Post by: agchawk on June 24, 2010, 01:18:48 AM
i like to see other hunters succeed just as much as i enjoy succeeding so i will help out as much as i can. plus when i am in need of help hopefully people will remember that i was a nice guy and karma will be on my side to get some help as well.
i understand his rant to a point, if someone is just blindly applying for hunts and gets drawn and has no idea what to do or where to go that is frustrating, but at the same time as long as its a fellow hunter ill still be happy for them (and jealous).
Agreed. And if I were researching, studing, and getting ready for a hunt that I possibly put in for for years, I can think of no better collection of folks to ask for advice. After all, isn't that PART of the research? Finding folks that have knowledge of that particular area/hunt and picking their brains? I don't see that as any different than any other kind of research. In fact, in today's digital age, I think a guy or gal would be stupid not to use this resource.
Post by: calawahsteelie on June 24, 2010, 02:12:26 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 24, 2010, 05:51:53 AM
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Post by: Archery King on June 24, 2010, 09:17:43 AM
Post by: rasbo on June 24, 2010, 09:27:11 AM
Post by: bigtex on June 24, 2010, 09:48:25 AM
I geuss bigtex didn't get drawn. :chuckle: I'll help anybody..........well almost anybody. :chuckle:
Actually I got two permits...
Post by: coachcw on June 24, 2010, 09:49:25 AM
Post by: Deer slayer on June 24, 2010, 10:01:19 AM
Post by: buckhorn2 on June 24, 2010, 10:02:36 AM
Post by: boneaddict on June 24, 2010, 10:30:39 AM
I do find it frustrating that people have 4 choices and put in for an area they have NO IDEA about, because they think it might have something there, yet as a guy that hunts out of state, I do the same thing. They are taking the tag I have been dieing for, know the area well and want to hunt it.
Draw odds would be extremely improved and there would be LESS of this if the WDFW went to ONE CHOICE for your hunt. Better know what you are putting in for or what basket your name is going to be in.
This is certainly a rant I can see both sides of the story.
Post by: Bearhunter on June 24, 2010, 10:39:39 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 24, 2010, 10:48:49 AM
Post by: Grouse Hunter on June 24, 2010, 10:50:55 AM
I have had enough of "I just drew X tag, can you guys help me out?"
See ya! :hello:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on June 24, 2010, 10:55:36 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on June 24, 2010, 11:00:03 AM
Post by: bigtex on June 24, 2010, 11:38:15 AM
I'm on both sides of the coin on this one. I HAVE helped, and WILL help again, yet I can't believe the 100pms I got the first three days after the draw. Many from folks that I have NO IDEA who are. I spend a lot of time helping folks WHERE I LIKE to hunt, then next year someone draws and they are on here HELPING and so on. Pretty soon those folks are helping, and so on.
I do find it frustrating that people have 4 choices and put in for an area they have NO IDEA about, because they think it might have something there, yet as a guy that hunts out of state, I do the same thing. They are taking the tag I have been dieing for, know the area well and want to hunt it.
Draw odds would be extremely improved and there would be LESS of this if the WDFW went to ONE CHOICE for your hunt. Better know what you are putting in for or what basket your name is going to be in.
This is certainly a rant I can see both sides of the story.
Thank you very much sir! If you look at my history I have helped out numerous hunters since the draw was run. However as said above I find it frustrating that people put in for areas they have no idea about, and many times this happens when people feel they need to put in for all four choices. They may know their top three but dont want to "waste" a choice so they just fling any number in there. I remember after the spring bear draw people that were for selected for Kapowsin which requires a $100 access fee came on this site and said they're not going to hunt because of the fee, well I didn't get drawn and was more then willing to pay! But yet there were numerous tags "wasted" by people who didn't want to pay extra to hunt. RESEARCH it not only helps out the hunter but also other hunters!
Post by: LittleJohn on June 24, 2010, 11:41:29 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 24, 2010, 11:45:39 AM
Post by: Deer slayer on June 24, 2010, 12:01:25 PM
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Post by: MIKEXRAY on June 24, 2010, 12:11:48 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on June 24, 2010, 12:16:09 PM
Yea but there is also those that would just bitch because they are envious that they didn't get drawn. Everyone has the right to put in for whatever they want. Just like when the anti's put in for permits to cut the odds of actual hunters drawing a permit. Pissing and moaning about it isn't going to do any good but turn others off of you.
:yeah:
Yeah you sure don't see these topics until right after the draw. Weird.
MS
Post by: Deer slayer on June 24, 2010, 12:32:52 PM
Post by: haus on June 24, 2010, 12:35:27 PM
+2i like to see other hunters succeed just as much as i enjoy succeeding so i will help out as much as i can. plus when i am in need of help hopefully people will remember that i was a nice guy and karma will be on my side to get some help as well.
i understand his rant to a point, if someone is just blindly applying for hunts and gets drawn and has no idea what to do or where to go that is frustrating, but at the same time as long as its a fellow hunter ill still be happy for them (and jealous).
Agreed. And if I were researching, studing, and getting ready for a hunt that I possibly put in for for years, I can think of no better collection of folks to ask for advice. After all, isn't that PART of the research? Finding folks that have knowledge of that particular area/hunt and picking their brains? I don't see that as any different than any other kind of research. In fact, in today's digital age, I think a guy or gal would be stupid not to use this resource.
Post by: Deer slayer on June 24, 2010, 12:39:24 PM
Post by: Quackwhacker on June 24, 2010, 05:27:52 PM
I personally like to help others. Especially when they invite me to pack meat out of the woods.
Post by: Jerome on June 24, 2010, 05:47:19 PM
I think it's comical that bigtex's 5th post on this site was asking for help for a waterfowl hunting area.Haha. Busted.
Post by: boneaddict on June 24, 2010, 06:17:45 PM
Post by: Squatch on June 24, 2010, 10:09:25 PM
I frequently visit this site, but I rarely post. For awhile it seemed to be getting very negative on here, hence the reason for not wanting to post. This topic is definitely a double edged sword. Sharing stories, pic's, and hopefully helping other hunters out is kind of the point of these such sites. I was fortunate enought to draw a Goat Rocks (Goat Tag) 5 yrs ago and if anyone needs any pointers I'd love to help them out. Like the old saying goes, Honey goes a lot further than vinegar!
Post by: royalbull on June 24, 2010, 10:53:42 PM
Yes,
I frequently visit this site, but I rarely post. For awhile it seemed to be getting very negative on here, hence the reason for not wanting to post. This topic is definitely a double edged sword. Sharing stories, pic's, and hopefully helping other hunters out is kind of the point of these such sites. I was fortunate enought to draw a Goat Rocks (Goat Tag) 5 yrs ago and if anyone needs any pointers I'd love to help them out. Like the old saying goes, Honey goes a lot further than vinegar!
you wouldnt happen to be a police officer would you
Post by: Alaska316 on June 25, 2010, 04:56:45 PM
Post by: 6x6rack on June 26, 2010, 06:22:31 PM
:twocents: Whats the harm helping someone get that monster moose when it will be indian/wolf/roadkill/old-age dead before I ever get drawn? I give "general area" input when someone is hunting the same tag I or my friends hunt...but very specific and sometimes GPS coordinates and contacts if someone is hunting a rediculously hard to pull tag...like their going to kill "my Moose" or "my elk" or "my sheep" that I dont even have a tag for.
So that was a long way of saying thanks for the help, seems like a great group of folks, I will take anything shared to the grave and never dick up your hunting spot or contacts (face it...anyone who takes help and uses it to mess up your thing is a prick) and will be more than happy to help when its your turn. :brew:
Post by: coachcw on June 27, 2010, 09:13:37 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on June 27, 2010, 10:16:55 PM
Maybe I could even get LittleJohn to come in and do some calling for me :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Thanks in advance......
Joe
Post by: coachcw on June 27, 2010, 10:23:16 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on June 28, 2010, 06:26:56 AM
Here is something to ponder. Think of me as knowing quite a bit about this state. Now, if I were to tell everyone of you where to hunt in the Methow, over in the selkirks, Up the Nile, down in the Blues etc. do you think I could possible screw up one of your favorite hunting spots. Meaning, I take some newb on here that doesn't have a clue, outline the perfect hunt for elk over in the Selkirks for instance, could I possibly be robbing you of something you worked hard for, yet with a couple keystrokes sent 20 people with orange vests. How about up the Twisp River, or maybe Pearygin or the Chewuch or Alta. Just wonderin'. Again, I have helped and will help again. I bet there are a few of you out there HOPING I keep my mouth shut. :chuckle: and say 25 people drew the Alta tag from this site. Where would you like me to send the OTHER 24 tag holders. :chuckle:
This in line with my opinion. I have no problem helping but would like to know how much the other person has invested in it prior. I also would like to see the information on specific spots/areas limited to PMs. This is a bit far out there but it also could help anti-hunters out on where to go to harass hunters (like I said, a bit far out there but not impossible).
Post by: bigtex on June 28, 2010, 03:46:35 PM
Here is something to ponder. Think of me as knowing quite a bit about this state. Now, if I were to tell everyone of you where to hunt in the Methow, over in the selkirks, Up the Nile, down in the Blues etc. do you think I could possible screw up one of your favorite hunting spots. Meaning, I take some newb on here that doesn't have a clue, outline the perfect hunt for elk over in the Selkirks for instance, could I possibly be robbing you of something you worked hard for, yet with a couple keystrokes sent 20 people with orange vests. How about up the Twisp River, or maybe Pearygin or the Chewuch or Alta. Just wonderin'. Again, I have helped and will help again. I bet there are a few of you out there HOPING I keep my mouth shut. :chuckle: and say 25 people drew the Alta tag from this site. Where would you like me to send the OTHER 24 tag holders. :chuckle:
This in line with my opinion. I have no problem helping but would like to know how much the other person has invested in it prior. I also would like to see the information on specific spots/areas limited to PMs. This is a bit far out there but it also could help anti-hunters out on where to go to harass hunters (like I said, a bit far out there but not impossible).
I agree with you 100% dreamingbig. It is one thing to come on here and say “I have been looking at the maps for GMU 653 and FS Road 74 looks very good to me, what are your guy’s experiences with this area?” However it is another thing to say, where are the best spots in 653? Any deer in GMU 454?
I have no problem with helping somebody who has at least looked at a map and can understand the area. And if you look I have helped people numerous times with units all over this state. But to come on asking if there are any roads in the area, when we have wonderful tools such as Google maps, Google earth, WDFW maps, and teraserver all for free, is just mind boggling to me. And to ask if there are any animals in a unit when you can go to the WDFW website and look at the harvest reports and probably do so in less time then it takes to type out a message.
Its just like if you’re a math teacher, are you going to help the kid who took one look at a math problem and said “I need help” or are you going to help the kid who has been working on the same problem for the past 30 minutes and putting some effort into it…
Post by: Deer slayer on June 28, 2010, 04:03:34 PM
Post by: hunterheinz on June 28, 2010, 08:11:28 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 28, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
I think i'll put in just so they don't get a $100.00. Not Allowing public hunting to ethical hunters iirritates me. Washington is getting too privately owned. Those are our bears not theirs. They should be paying us to allow bears to roam thier land!! Deal with it TEX-Hunt public land.
What are you talking about? I think you are confused. I said I had no problem to pay to hunt private property, and that people shouldn't complain that they must pay when it says right in the regs that you will required to pay an additional fee if you are hunting a certain area/hunt choice.
Post by: hunterheinz on June 28, 2010, 11:14:41 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 28, 2010, 11:24:26 PM
Nobody should pay to hunt private property. The WDFW should not issue tags where a landowner is going to charge Hunters who pay for a Hunting license. Let the Landowner resolve thier own overpopulation of bears but if they break the law by harvesting more than the license they hold they should be accountable. 8)
I somewhat agree with what you are saying. The three tree farms in this area all charge between $225-300 per person per year and they all sell out of permits. However 20 years ago it was free, you would just drive on their property. What made them charge the fee? The thousands pounds of garbage that was left on the property. Was it left by hunters? Probably not, but it's one of those situations where everyone is "punished" for the actions of a few. Unfortunately this is becoming more of a trend on the westside of the state with private timber companies charging an access fee, give it time and it will make it's way to the eastside. I will say though, I'd rather have the companies charge a fee then not allow anyone to hunt their property.
Post by: allboy on June 29, 2010, 12:44:36 PM
whoa! easy there Tex...I have put in for units in Montana that I have never stepped foot on. who gives a chite, really? There is nothing that says you have to give info to these people, so guess what? DON'T REPLY!
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read this Tex, then read it again
Post by: alanger on June 29, 2010, 03:40:45 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 29, 2010, 04:06:56 PM
someone sounds mad they didnt draw what they wanted :chuckle:
Nope. I drew two tags, both were my first choices :IBCOOL:
Post by: alanger on June 30, 2010, 05:26:26 AM
someone sounds mad they didnt draw what they wanted :chuckle:
Nope. I drew two tags, both were my first choices :IBCOOL:
Good for you, then why does it matter if people ask for help! you dont have to help, you've asked for help before, IF YOU DONT WANT TO HELP DONT READ IT.
Post by: alanger on June 30, 2010, 05:27:02 AM
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Post by: ICEMAN on June 30, 2010, 08:04:34 AM
On the other hand, I have helped guys out in the field many times. Great story here...; we were done hunting a favorite area in Central Eastern WA and were convoying down the mountain with a few bucks in the truck, three trucks convoying down together. We came around a corner and were flagged down by a man and his son. The father, a black man in his 50s was taking his teen aged son hunting, and were having problems with the carbine someone loaned them. (They left Seattle that AM and were just heading up into the "woods" to go hunting. They had street tires on their rusty old van, no good hunting clothing to be had, really a motley crew for sure. They had hunted a bit that day and had a problem with the gun and could not get the hammer to fall and unload the gun. They did not want to drive with the gun in that position and they had tried to get help from several hunters on this main mountain road to no avail. These guys stuck out like a sore thumb. I even joked with them that we didn't see very many black hunters out here... Really nice guys, just ill prepared. Me and my two buddies spent well over an hour with them. Dismantled the gun on the hood of the truck, found the issue, fixed it. They were wary now of the gun....so I test fired it a few rounds, took the time to make sure the young man could work the carbine, had him shoot it...... took the time to give them some clues as to where we were finding game, gave them all the warnings about the area, did everything we could in one hour to help get these two guys on the right track to shooting a deer. Shook their hands and continued on our way. I still smile thinking about these guys. Hunters in the making.... They needed a little help and there was no way we were not going to give it. If I could have done more, I would have. I may have even named a canyon or two if they had a detailed map... My point is, I think we all are willing to help, just wary to do so over the internet as we cannot verify the type of guy we are helping, and we cannot control how many folks are going to take advantage of the information.
I have recently asked for help regarding the Chilliwist area, and have taken a bit of assistance in PM's. Sometimes I wish others would keep the specifics in private so as not to saturate any given area with pressure.
Post by: Wenatcheejay on June 30, 2010, 08:18:42 AM
Post by: halflife65 on June 30, 2010, 08:43:34 AM
I've only been annoyed once when someone posted that they drew the Entiat tag and wondered why it was such a big deal. Then asked for help. The asking part wasn't the issue, you have to start somewhere, it was the casual attitude towards a great tag - to the point of not even knowing that it was a great tag.
That person then followed up with other posts that led me to believe that they were now taking the tag seriously, understood the opportunity, and were going to do something with it. At that point, I don't have any problems offering info about draw tags to that guy or someone else, if I have something worthwhile for them.
Good luck to everyone that drew and I'll help you if I can.
Post by: huntndad on June 30, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
As far as doing research and scouting is concerned, it's not always reasonable or practical. There is only so much time in the year. Between little league games, dance classes, birthday parties, etc, I only get a few weekends for me. I'm not going to waste that time scouting some place where I'm more than likely not going to be able to hunt. That's what makes this site so great. I can get help with something I couldn't do on my own.
This year, for the first time ever, I drew a tag. I did a little research on the WDFW website (hunter #s, success, etc.) before applying, but not much. Since the archery "buck" category only had 5 choices and only 2 of those were durring the late season, I decided to apply for those two. The game regs does provide some code letters for hunt notes. For example "C" means lots of private land. My hunt choices didn't show any hunt notes. I ended up drawing Ritaville (Unit 284) late archery. After doing a bit more research, it seems like the entire unit is private property. I wish I'd done a little more digging before applying, but I'm not going to feel bad when I ask for some assistance from people on this site. Should I?
Post by: halflife65 on June 30, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
Post by: bigtex on June 30, 2010, 11:15:45 AM
For example "C" means lots of private land. My hunt choices didn't show any hunt notes. I ended up drawing Ritaville (Unit 284) late archery. After doing a bit more research, it seems like the entire unit is private property. I wish I'd done a little more digging before applying, but I'm not going to feel bad when I ask for some assistance from people on this site. Should I?
Well there is actually a lot of BLM land on the eastern half of the GMU. There is also a TON of land available to hunters under the Hunting by Written Permission Program in this GMU. Getting this info took me less then 5 minutes on the WDFW website....
Post by: haus on June 30, 2010, 11:31:05 AM
5 minutes, wow fantastic. So how long is it going to take you to post a link to the info?For example "C" means lots of private land. My hunt choices didn't show any hunt notes. I ended up drawing Ritaville (Unit 284) late archery. After doing a bit more research, it seems like the entire unit is private property. I wish I'd done a little more digging before applying, but I'm not going to feel bad when I ask for some assistance from people on this site. Should I?
Well there is actually a lot of BLM land on the eastern half of the GMU. There is also a TON of land available to hunters under the Hunting by Written Permission Program in this GMU. Getting this info took me less then 5 minutes on the WDFW website....
Post by: bigtex on June 30, 2010, 11:35:07 AM
5 minutes, wow fantastic. So how long is it going to take you to post a link to the info?For example "C" means lots of private land. My hunt choices didn't show any hunt notes. I ended up drawing Ritaville (Unit 284) late archery. After doing a bit more research, it seems like the entire unit is private property. I wish I'd done a little more digging before applying, but I'm not going to feel bad when I ask for some assistance from people on this site. Should I?
Well there is actually a lot of BLM land on the eastern half of the GMU. There is also a TON of land available to hunters under the Hunting by Written Permission Program in this GMU. Getting this info took me less then 5 minutes on the WDFW website....
http://wdfw.wa.gov/mapping/gohunt/index.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/mapping/gohunt/index.html)
Do a search for any GMU..Not that difficult
Post by: huntndad on June 30, 2010, 11:40:45 AM
Post by: bigtex on June 30, 2010, 11:41:50 AM
I spent some time on the WDFW website as well and plan on spending more. I didn't, however, notice the info on the hunting by written permission program you mentioned. I've never had any experience with that program (I don't think there is much on the west side). It is information like that program that someone like me would be interested in. I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction.
I will send you a PM. I use the program quite a bit
Post by: haus on June 30, 2010, 11:46:25 AM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/mapping/gohunt/index.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/mapping/gohunt/index.html)Now that wasn't so hard was it ;)
Do a search for any GMU..Not that difficult
Post by: huntndad on June 30, 2010, 12:12:50 PM
Post by: alanger on June 30, 2010, 12:52:23 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 30, 2010, 04:05:09 PM