Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 02, 2008, 08:35:58 PM
I want something I can hunt Deer, Bear, and Elk with. Right now I hunt with a 30-06 Savage model 110. It's an alright gun but I am beginning to think it may be a bit to big for me. I bought the 30-06 about 9 year ago I believe from my uncle so it is the only gun I have ever hunted with.
I am thinking about getting a .270 with a synthetic stock, but I am not sure. I really don't have a huge knowledge on guns. I've really never had anyone around to teach me.
Post by: Red Dawg on March 02, 2008, 08:41:02 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2008, 08:41:39 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 02, 2008, 08:42:08 PM
Post by: Hunting Cowboy on March 02, 2008, 08:44:03 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 02, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Maybe try some lighter loads with the .06?
Post by: Bookworm on March 02, 2008, 08:48:13 PM
Post by: Head-shot on March 02, 2008, 08:52:24 PM
I assume you are talking about the kick? If so try a .308, if memory serves my correctly it just about 200fps slower and almost the same ballistics 2-3 inches or so less@ 100yds, as the 06; Same size bullet, and has considerably less kick than the 30-06. I have one, a pre 64 model 70 feather weight Win. that is the best shooting gun I think there is. It feels like an extension of your arm, and doesent knock it off. Having had a couple shoulder rebuilds it's not too bad on my tender shoulders. Where the 06 would have made me piss myself and pass out from the kick.
I think it would do fine for Elk Deer and bear; infact that is what I use. The .308 is plenty of gun for any of those critters. Its all about shot placement.
Check it out, you may like it.
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2008, 08:55:02 PM
if the caliber is too big, you can buy managed recoil or lighter loads for the 06, if the stock is too big or the rifle is too big...you can likely buy a youth stock for that savage. slenk has a guy's email address that sells savage parts that has a world of stocks.
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2008, 08:55:46 PM
;)
Post by: Head-shot on March 02, 2008, 08:57:04 PM
by the way...if you just want another rifle, well....thats ok too.
;)
That's right , you can never have too many :chuckle:
Post by: Red Dawg on March 02, 2008, 09:02:28 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 02, 2008, 09:34:07 PM
I usually shoot Federal and Hornaday, aprox 165 - 180 grain.
Yes I feel the stock is way to long. When I shoot it, it feels like it's gonna knock my arm off because I can't hold it into my shoulder correctly to look through the scope. The scope has been moved back as far as it will go. I had a gun shop mount the scope when I lived in Oregon. I have a hard time getting the group I want when sighting it in. I also feel that the weight of the gun is a bit heavy as well. My 30-06 has a solid wood stock. I can handle the kick if the gun fit right.
Post by: LongTatLaw on March 02, 2008, 09:54:35 PM
Get something with a youth stock...period.
270 is a great caliber but I dont know that Id personally claim it to have less recoil than an .06 :dunno:
If ya wanted a significant difference in weight, length, and recoil then go to wally world and drop 300$ for a youth model 243...which lots of people are gonna say is too small for elk and bear... but Im pretty sure its legal for deer,elk,bear in this state and probably would be legal for any big game in the lower 48 (although someone knows some state where Im probably wrong).
What do I suggest? Get a synthetic youth stock...the rest is details. That will mean shorter and lighter, ...but I like to bring a big gun to the fight but ur call.
so...options thus far?
1. use the .06 but switch stocks - very good option...cheapest option
2. get a 270 with youth stock - great caliber and size / weight will be right but no recoil decrease..but get new gun
3. get a 243 or a 25.06 with youth stock - on the light side of calibers ...bordering on a coyote caliber...but light, short, and huge recoil decrease
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 02, 2008, 09:59:35 PM
I'm not saying I'm not considering getting a stock for the 30-06. I'm interested in my options on a new rifle.
Post by: bobcat on March 02, 2008, 10:08:28 PM
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_seven/
Post by: Ray on March 02, 2008, 10:38:22 PM
Post by: addicted on March 03, 2008, 04:53:03 AM
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/blog/blog050907/
Post by: Red Dawg on March 03, 2008, 05:53:21 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 03, 2008, 05:58:32 AM
There a many guns out there for you to choose from as we all know. And believe me we are going to tell ya, because that is what we do. I am a remington man all of the way. But I will tell you that Browning's rifles work real well for people with short arms. I think my partner has the hunter. Great little gun they are light and short sounds like a perfect fit. Or you could just go shopping and find one that you like and ignore everything that we have said. That is probably what I would do.
I agree with Red Dawg! Also; take your time, very exciting time when looking to buy a new gun, enjoy it, because as soon as you drop the cash, you will start second guessing yourself and wondering if you should have got something else! :chuckle: (I hate it when that happens!!!!)
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 03, 2008, 07:37:08 AM
Post by: Ray on March 03, 2008, 07:54:44 AM
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I will tell you that Browning's rifles work real well for people with short arms.
I tried out some of the browning rifles and they seemed not to fit right. Something just didn't match up. It felt like the stock was too short. I am not tall and don't have long arms. How it suits you is important.
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 03, 2008, 10:20:38 AM
Post by: Curly on March 03, 2008, 10:47:45 AM
If you like the Savage but it is a little too heavy, you might look at the Savage 110 in a short action like 7-08 or .308.
Or like Bobcat suggested, a Rem model 7 should work for you. Just go with a 7-08 or .308 and I think you will be happier than you are w/ the 30-06.
Post by: Curly on March 03, 2008, 11:05:09 AM
Get that in 7-08 and you will be able to take deer and elk easily and the rifle only weighs 6.5lbs w/ the 22" barrel just like the Rem model 7.
Post by: Slenk on March 03, 2008, 11:44:37 AM
http://www.savagearms.com/st_200short.htm
Slenk
Post by: bucklucky on March 03, 2008, 11:47:12 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2008, 12:17:10 PM
You can get a Stevens(Savage) 7mm-08 for under $300 If you shop around. I have one , its light and handy, and very little recoil. And they are a little shorter length of pull . About 13 inches .
http://www.savagearms.com/st_200short.htm
Slenk
That Stevens would be perfect, IMO. Get it in a 308, you can't go wrong. Only 6 1/2 pounds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 03, 2008, 12:20:24 PM
so the real problem is...your a sissy lil girl! :P
Oh yeah Michelle don't be a sissy, my wife hunts with my 300 win mag and shoots it fine ;)
Like I said before I can handle the recoil on my 30-06. The problem for me is. The stock is about 2 inches or so to long and I am straining to look through the scope. This is throwing me off when I try and shoot my group. It is also uncomfortable to shoot because I can't properly hold it against my shoulder and look through the scope at the same time.
Since I am thinking of buying a new rifle anyway I thought I might get something a little lighter as well. Something with a synthetic stock instead of a wood stock.
It's not a question of wether or not I am a wuss, sissy, wimp, *censored*, or what ever. The gun does not feel right, it doesn't fit me, and it is uncomfortable to shoot.
Yes Longtatlaw I said *censored*! :P
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 03, 2008, 12:25:02 PM
Post by: Slenk on March 03, 2008, 12:53:35 PM
If you like the 06 buy a new synthetic youth stock.
Jim Briggs has new takeoffs for around $30-$35 and he is a great guy to deal with .
He is on the Savage Shooters forum.
briggs.j-b@comcast.net
You can also reach him at 763/420-7163 Phone or 763/420-7610 Fax.
Slenk
Post by: Slenk on March 03, 2008, 01:43:15 PM
I just checked the Savage website and I don't see the 110 listed anymore. They do have other models though.......I think the 116fhss would fit the bill. http://www.savagearms.com/16fhss.htm
Get that in 7-08 and you will be able to take deer and elk easily and the rifle only weighs 6.5lbs w/ the 22" barrel just like the Rem model 7.
110 for you Curly
http://www.savagearms.com/110gxp3.htm
Slenk
Post by: Ray on March 03, 2008, 02:01:19 PM
Post by: Curly on March 03, 2008, 02:15:35 PM
Post by: Slenk on March 03, 2008, 02:51:55 PM
One of our sons just traded for a Savage 111 same thing as the older 110.
It was a package gun also . He said the scope was crap, but the rifle was nice . Take a look at the Stevens as they are the same thing as the old Savage 110 ,no accutrigger. I have one in 7mm-08 that I really like . They come in short & long actions.
Slenk
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2008, 03:08:24 PM
Post by: Curly on March 03, 2008, 04:32:01 PM
Short action is just that.........shorter than a long action. And a shorter action means less weight. Some cartridges use a long action and some use short. 30-06 based cartridges for example are long action and .308 based cartridges are short action.
If you want less weight, you will need to go with a short action; ie .308, 7-08 or the various WSM's. I wouldn't recommend WSM's in a light, short rifle as it could kick the snot out of you. :chuckle:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 03, 2008, 04:35:28 PM
Post by: actionshooter on March 03, 2008, 04:49:58 PM
I love looking for new rifles :drool:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 03, 2008, 04:52:03 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 03, 2008, 05:07:21 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 03, 2008, 05:09:23 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2008, 05:18:38 PM
http://www.johnnysauction.com/WildWestGuns.htm
Post by: jdb on March 03, 2008, 07:09:40 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on March 03, 2008, 07:18:01 PM
Post by: jdb on March 03, 2008, 07:20:02 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on March 03, 2008, 07:21:16 PM
Post by: Head-shot on March 03, 2008, 08:16:03 PM
ok Red dog and I are right everyone else is wrong JB
BOOO :ass:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Wea300mag on March 03, 2008, 08:55:26 PM
Post by: lemondog on March 03, 2008, 09:37:35 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 03, 2008, 09:54:45 PM
There is a new gun store in Rochester you might try, at least give them a call and get a price, once you figure out what it is you want to order. They are only charging 10% over their cost, plus shipping. Of course you could also order your rifle through Wal Mart, if you don't have a problem with them. Here's a link to the Rochester store:
http://www.johnnysauction.com/WildWestGuns.htm
Thanks Bobcat, once I figgure out what kinda gun I want I will check these guys out!
Post by: griz272000 on March 05, 2008, 07:37:05 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 05, 2008, 08:36:47 AM
Post by: Curly on March 06, 2008, 01:23:59 PM
Post by: Bofire on March 06, 2008, 06:29:17 PM
Inside the old worn out, "hard A**" body is a old guy that talks straight from his heart.
Carl
Post by: Bofire on March 06, 2008, 06:36:03 PM
Carl
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 06, 2008, 08:29:36 PM
I looked at the Remington Model 700 SPS *Buckmaster Edition*. I looked at both the .270 and 30-06.
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS_DM.asp
I looked at the Remington Model 700 SPS. I looked at:
270 Win and WSM,
30-06,
300 Win,WSM, and Win Mag
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS.asp
I did look at a couple of the Tikka's.
Beretta Tikka T3 Lite 30-06 Springfield Rifle
http://www.stanleysproshop.com/Beretta_Tikka_T3_Lite_3006_Springfield_Rifle_P29249.cfm
Beretta Tikka T3 Lite 270 WSM Rifle
http://www.stanleysproshop.com/Beretta_Tikka_T3_Lite_270_WSM_Rifle_P29250.cfm
These are the two scopes I seam to like best.
http://www.swfa.com/pc-8730-220-nikon-3-9x40-buckmaster-riflescope.aspx
http://www.swfa.com/pc-6837-220-nikon-3-9x40-buckmaster-riflescope.aspx
:)
Post by: saylean on March 06, 2008, 09:18:38 PM
Cheers~!
Post by: moreno1 on March 16, 2008, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: Intruder on March 20, 2008, 08:24:27 AM
I didn't read through all the posts but you may want to check out the 7mm-08. Should easily handle the game you talking about out to around 250-300 yards and is a little easier on the recoil side of things. Rem makes it in a couple smallish bolt actions.... the model 7 and I think one of their Mtn. Rifle versions.
Post by: Curly on March 20, 2008, 05:54:23 PM
Michelle,
I didn't read through all the posts but you may want to check out the 7mm-08.
I was trying to steer her toward the 7-08 also. Perfect cartridge for a lightweight deer/elk rifle. I will be getting one for my wife one of these days. (Although, I will probably be using it more than her :chuckle:)
Post by: Red Dawg on March 20, 2008, 06:21:09 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 20, 2008, 06:49:18 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on March 20, 2008, 07:12:10 PM
Post by: Head-shot on March 21, 2008, 03:19:43 AM
If money is not a concern you may check out http://cooperfirearms.com/ they will make one in almost any caliber your looking for, I highly recommend the 257 Roberts. Their guns are tack drivers, you won't be disappointed.Phool, They are sure some nice looking guns for sure, but I don't think I could take it outdoors. If I scratched it I do believe I would expire right there :chuckle:
Post by: PacificNWhunter on March 22, 2008, 06:42:22 PM
Post by: addicted on March 22, 2008, 06:52:52 PM
Did you decide on a gun yet Michelle?
Post by: Lincoln4 on March 22, 2008, 06:56:16 PM
Good idea Michelle, make sure you try Federal Way Discount Guns for price once you narrow your search, they are hard to beat for price.
That's where I bought my Savage Model 14 American Classic .308 last year. Good shop, and I love the rifle.
By the way, when I went to order my rifle from WalMart, they told me it would take five weeks! Five weeks!? Four days at Federal Way Discount Guns.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on March 22, 2008, 06:58:37 PM
Post by: addicted on March 22, 2008, 06:59:50 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on March 22, 2008, 06:59:58 PM
Post by: Lincoln4 on March 22, 2008, 07:03:27 PM
theres worse problems to have than which rifle to pick. good luck michelle
Very wise words for 19 years old ;).
Post by: addicted on March 22, 2008, 07:24:57 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 25, 2008, 10:43:07 PM
Your not going to scratch the gun, maybe the stock. Even if this happens a stock is easily repaired or replaced, you shouldnt limit out a gun because your worried about scratches. The fact is Michelle you will be hard pressed to find a better shooting rifle for the price, I'm quite sure Head-shot will agree as well.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 15, 2008, 12:06:10 AM
.270 Remington model 700 SPS
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS.asp
.270 Remington model 700 SPS Buckmaster Edition
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS_Buckmasters.asp
With one of the following scopes.
http://www.swfa.com/pc-8730-220-nikon-3-9x40-buckmaster-riflescope.aspx
http://www.swfa.com/pc-6837-220-nikon-3-9x40-buckmaster-riflescope.aspx
Post by: bankwalker on June 15, 2008, 12:11:02 AM
Well I think I have it narrowed down to a
.270 Remington model 700 SPS
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS.asp
.270 Remington model 700 SPS Buckmaster Edition
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS_Buckmasters.asp
With one of the following scopes.
http://www.swfa.com/pc-8730-220-nikon-3-9x40-buckmaster-riflescope.aspx
http://www.swfa.com/pc-6837-220-nikon-3-9x40-buckmaster-riflescope.aspx
good choices and great prices too. i had the sps in 270wsm and it was a really accurate gun. but i decided after half a season i didnt like synthetic stocks and got rid of it. now i wish i hadnt though.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 15, 2008, 12:29:05 AM
Post by: bankwalker on June 15, 2008, 12:37:05 AM
Why don't you like synthetic stocks?
idk it was my first rifle with a synthetic stock and i just wasnt use to them.
but now i like them...certain ones anyway. the sps stock feels really nice in the hand imo compared to alot of other higher end rifles with synthetic stocks. when it boils down to me buying another deer rifle the sps will be one of my choices forsure. the one i had really balanced out nicely with a 4x12x50 nikon scope. i cant for the life of me remember the model though.
Post by: fishseeker on June 15, 2008, 06:11:53 AM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on June 15, 2008, 06:35:34 AM
for price, you cant beat it. and nikon would be my ext choice after leupold, all though i do have to say that bushnell elite is a mighty fine objective also....thats the 3200 or 4200 series scopes though.....and my next scope for a varmit rifle will probably be a vortex....got my lil bro a pair of higher end binos and for vortex, saved me a lot of money for the quality i got, and so i think im gonna give them one more try.....vertex has my recommendation and approval.....I give it the "E" stamp......Either way glass these days is all coming down to the nit and gritty, and so many scopes are so different that it to me it all depends on the individual scope if i like it....
If you buy it from a store, ask them to take it out of the box and let you play with it.....tell them you want to open the box there gonna sell you.....
Post by: WA Redneck on June 16, 2008, 11:50:59 AM
Have you looked at the Ruger youth rifle? In 7-08 it would be very close to the 270 and they are light, easy to carry and pretty accurate. The 260 version would also a very nice package. I think it might be worth a quick look. The Stevens is also a light easy to carry accurate gun but, I'm not sure the stock would be much better then the one you have. Good luck in what ever you decide on. Let us know how it shoots.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 17, 2008, 11:29:42 PM
He checked how my barrel was floating in the stock while I was their and at the very end we couldn't get a piece of paper to slide. He says this might be a bit of my accuracy problem. Told me to take the stock off and sand it down and seal it. I was like :yike: you want me to pull my rifle appart? I've never worked on a rifle before always took it to a gun shop. Any way he told me how to do it so I came home. Got my stock off and sanded it down. I took it back and he checked my work and put the new scope on my 30-06l That took care of my eye reliefe problem and the gun is a whole lot more comfortable. Now I just need to get it sighted in! :IBCOOL:
I'm all depressed that I didn't get the .270 but now that I don't need a new rifle it will give me a chance to save for the Remmy 700 CDL .270 and maybe buy it at the begining of next year. :)
I still need a good pair of binos, a packboard, and a few other things for this hunting season. I never needed this stuff in Georgia. Hunting out here is getting expensive! :'(
Post by: ICEMAN on June 18, 2008, 06:43:02 AM
Post by: Gobble on June 18, 2008, 07:32:54 AM
He checked how my barrel was floating in the stock while I was their and at the very end we couldn't get a piece of paper to slide. He says this might be a bit of my accuracy problem. Told me to take the stock off and sand it down and seal it. I was like :yike: you want me to pull my rifle appart? I've never worked on a rifle before always took it to a gun shop. Any way he told me how to do it so I came home. Got my stock off and sanded it down. I took it back and he checked my work and put the new scope on my 30-06l
I did this with my Rem 700 the day I got it I'm able to fit 2 dollar bills down the barrel all the way down the stock (been this way for 20 years now) and I have always been able to hold a 3 shot group to the size of a quarter or smaller. Worked great for me :chuckle:
Post by: thinkingman on June 18, 2008, 09:57:17 AM
I can't stress this enough.
I buy alot from SWFA and would get it there.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 18, 2008, 02:58:40 PM
If you haven't already bought the scope, I strongly recommend the Nikon Team Primos for less money...you get alot more scope.
I can't stress this enough.
I buy alot from SWFA and would get it there.
Yes, bought the scope yesterday when I took in my rifle. Think I spent $216 after tax.