Post by: washelkhntr on June 27, 2010, 11:36:39 AM
So I take it to the range to shoot Friday, and the damn ammo wont fit. Hmmm, ok what is the deal....I check the stamp on the barrel. Yep, 308 Win, I check the ammo that I bought, yep 308 win. ( 2 different boxes, from 2 different manufactures) They will slide in only half way. Run the bore light down it, nothing stuck, and nothing in the barrell. I run a brush and then a swab, perfectly clean, and do not feel any abnormalities in the barrell or breach.
Get home, call the Grandfather, he says that Im an idiot and am using the wrong ammo. "Just use the ammo that I gave you with the gun", ummm, yea that don't fit either. Now him and I are both stumped with what is going on.
This gun has some real sentimental value with it and I have to now have just a paperweight.
Any ideas before I take it to the gunsmith?
Post by: cwuwildcat on June 27, 2010, 11:57:41 AM
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Post by: quadrafire on June 29, 2010, 12:11:08 PM
I'm curious to hear what the problem is. Keep us posted.
Post by: MikeWalking on June 29, 2010, 12:44:42 PM
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Post by: ML_Hunter on July 11, 2010, 01:43:42 AM
Take a brass casing and try fitting it in the chamber, if it goes then try a loaded cartridge. prior to sticking the loaded cartridge in the chamber, take a black Sharpe and blacken the bullet, you may see where the bullet is engaging the rifling. You will then know that you need to reload for a shorter chartridge.
Or check the barrel stamp one more time to make sure it dosent say 300 sav. On some earlier ones it was sometimes double stamped and could turn out looking like an 8 rather than a 0 :bash:. And wile the gun is at the gunsmith, have him make a chamber cast to ensure its a .308
Hope you get it figured out!!
Post by: BigGoonTuna on July 11, 2010, 09:40:01 AM
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Post by: addicted on July 11, 2010, 12:42:10 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on July 11, 2010, 06:39:34 PM
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if it was grandpa's gun and not only said it was 308 but also gave you ammo to go with it...... i would trust him
It was just a thought, but then again more than one Grandpa has mixed 20ga in with his 12ga :dunno:
Mighta given him the wrong ammo.. :dunno:
Post by: quadrafire on August 04, 2010, 05:48:06 PM
Post by: washelkhntr on August 04, 2010, 08:24:01 PM
First off, thank you all for your help. I do feel like a idiot for this but here it goes.
Just picked it up from the gunsmith tonight. When I originally dropped it off, even he could not see any obvious reasons for the problem. So he had to disasemble it and low and behold half of the case from the last shot I put through it some 20 years ago was jam packed into the barrell. The case split right at the neck and when I ejected the round the bottom half of the case completely came appart and only ejected that part.
Why I didn't ever notice it, I have no idea. I cleaned it afterwards and hell I even cleaned and inspected it before I took it out a few weeks ago.
It is in fact a .308WIN and I still have to box of ammo that this shell came out of... or I should say I did have. Cause I *censored* canned that crap as soon as I got home.
The gunsmith completely inspected the gun and cleaned and reassembled and even put 10 new factory Federal rounds through it with no problems.
So I am now a happy camper. This year will more than likely be my last year being able to hunt with my Grandfather and I can think of no better way to end it then with the gun he and I used on my first deer, elk and bear.
Last pic is with one of the .308 rounds from the box that this came out of, so you can see how much of the case actually came off.
John
Post by: cwuwildcat on August 04, 2010, 08:33:35 PM
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Post by: jeepster on August 21, 2010, 05:39:50 PM
i love my 99 (like most of us... got it from my gramps), but there was one thing thats been bugging me... any ideas on how to get some life back into the rotary mag? mine kinda just flopps around and you can put 5 in, but really only be able to use 3, there isnt enough spring in it to cycle the last 2 rounds... its more of an annoyance than anything but.....
anyway congrats on getting it fixed its a helluva rifle!
happy shooting
Post by: chevysquid on August 21, 2010, 07:08:38 PM
Post by: Jethro on August 22, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Post by: Jethro on August 22, 2010, 09:51:02 AM
"If you look just above the cartdidge counter window, you'll see a small screw. If you remove the forend and look at the end of the receiver you'll see a ring that is slotted. You'll need a flat bladed screwdriver with a slot cut through it so it fits well into the slots on the ring. Now being careful. loosen that screw above the window. It only has about 6 or 8 threads on it IIRC and then it's a straight shank beyond that. DO NOT FULLY REMOVE THIS SCREW YET!!! While you are loosining that screw, you want to have the slotted screwdriver in place holding the rotor from turning. On the rotor, there are a series of slots around the diameter for that screw above the window to engage. If you rotate the rotor ever so slightly you can feel the slot on that screw. Holding the rotor in place, gently remove the screw. Once that screw is fully removed you should feel resistance on the slotted screwdriver. This is where you have to be careful. 2 people really help, although I did it alone. Rotate the rotor only slightly (clockwise if too tight and counter-clockwise if too loose)and place the screw you removed back into the hole you took it out of. You'll feel it contact the rotor. Carefully rotate the rotor until the screw engages the next slot in the rotor. Replace the screw once it's in a slot and thread it in. You want to go no more than one slots adjustment and I think you should be OK. I hope I haven't confused you any more than you already might be."
Post by: jeepster on August 22, 2010, 11:36:43 AM
thanks Jethro!
gonna get that fixed tonight
Post by: washelkhntr on October 04, 2010, 08:23:04 PM
I was finally able to take it out last week and put some rounds down it after the gunsmith had it completely apart. Laser bore sighted, 50 yard target, couldnt hit the broad side of a barn, put another round down the range thinking I pulled it. Still not even remotely close to hitting the paper. Then I can feel it in my hand as I am holding the gun, something just don't feel right. I pull my hand back and there it is. . . the top of my stock is cracked from where the rear stock meets up with the top of the receiver. :bash: :bash: :bash:
I will post pics when I can bring my self to look at it. That gun has some serious sentimental value to me and it damn near brings a tear to my eye thinking about this! My best guess is that the gunsmith didn't tighten the stock all the way down and the two shots were enough to split the stock.
Post by: chevysquid on October 04, 2010, 08:26:01 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on October 05, 2010, 02:45:27 PM
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Well, I have more sad news to add to this thread.
I was finally able to take it out last week and put some rounds down it after the gunsmith had it completely apart. Laser bore sighted, 50 yard target, couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, put another round down the range thinking I pulled it. Still not even remotely close to hitting the paper. Then I can feel it in my hand as I am holding the gun, something just don't feel right. I pull my hand back and there it is. . . the top of my stock is cracked from where the rear stock meets up with the top of the receiver.
I will post pics when I can bring my self to look at it. That gun has some serious sentimental value to me and it damn near brings a tear to my eye thinking about this! My best guess is that the gunsmith didn't tighten the stock all the way down and the two shots were enough to split the stock.
Sorry to hear that, know how you feel. Dad made sure I was the one who got his Dads 1940's era Savage Model 219. It's a single shot break open 30-30, with a 3.5lb 26in barell. It's a beast. I also have a 20ga barell for it.
Years ago while doing some serious cleaning the locking lever on the 30-30 barell broke and flew across the room. I nearly got sick...it snapped around the pin it pivoted on. I got it back in, but I still wince to think about it. Nice Gun, the wood to metal fit is so smooth and seemless it could one piece..
Post by: phishisgroovin on October 10, 2010, 08:08:10 AM
http://stevespages.com/pdf/savage1899.pdf (http://stevespages.com/pdf/savage1899.pdf)
its the one i used to repair and refinish my buddys rifle.