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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: SkookumHntr on July 03, 2010, 12:17:23 PM

Title: Musket Caps?
Post by: SkookumHntr on July 03, 2010, 12:17:23 PM: -Anybody use the CCI four wing musket caps? I wanted the German Musket caps but couldnt find them and was wondering how these worked out for you guys?? :dunno:
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Post by: dawhunt on July 03, 2010, 02:58:02 PM: The only proplem I had with them is they got screwed up in the capper and jammed up.
Bob
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 03, 2010, 03:26:32 PM: have used them they are just fine but sometimes like said hard to get threw a capper at times
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Post by: stumprat on July 03, 2010, 03:43:05 PM: They work great for me.
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Post by: SkookumHntr on July 03, 2010, 04:37:19 PM: -Anybody know where to get the German ones around Centralia or Olympia or Anywhere?
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Post by: stumprat on July 03, 2010, 05:10:23 PM: Doesn't Sunbirds have them anymore?
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Post by: SkookumHntr on July 03, 2010, 05:29:21 PM: I didnt see them just the #11's, but i didnt ask either, the outdoor sports shop just had the cci musket caps. On the tin it says for reinactment so i didnt know if there for oregon trail days type guns or Hunting inlines? Im hoping to find the german musket caps somewheres around here, there the ones I want to use!
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 03, 2010, 05:37:32 PM: there are a few places online that carry them if you can not find them and realy want 2 use them
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Post by: stumprat on July 03, 2010, 05:40:18 PM: The CCI's at Joes work just as well as the german brand.
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Post by: SkookumHntr on July 04, 2010, 12:35:10 AM: went back to sunbirds just to see and they did hav um so i go the german ones :IBCOOL:
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Post by: dawhunt on July 04, 2010, 06:10:21 AM: What about Cabalas ???
Bob
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Post by: ML_Hunter on July 09, 2010, 08:20:30 PM: Quote from: SkookumHntr on July 03, 2010, 04:37:19 PM
-Anybody know where to get the German ones around Centralia or Olympia or Anywhere?

Have you tired bobs in Longview? I'll be in Cabela's tomorrow, I'll check if they have them.
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Post by: teanawayslayer on July 12, 2010, 06:24:13 PM: I don't like the cci's. They seem harder to put on in a hurry. I don't know it seems like the german ones have more punch. Be patient you will be able to find the german ones. I always seem to.
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Post by: ML_Hunter on July 12, 2010, 06:35:02 PM: Quote from: dawhunt on July 04, 2010, 06:10:21 AM
What about Cabalas ???
Bob

Not saying that I know every product Cabela's sell, but I actually work there and when folks have muzzle loading question I'm often the guy who is asked to answer all of there questions. I yesterday I went on a search, and I came up empty handed!! No german musket caps.

So the next question you all may have for me is why did it take me 2 years to figure this out :rolleyes:, I stocked up on the german caps a wile back and haven't needed to buy more! When shooting at the range I use #11's for there easier to come by and cheaper and may use just a few musket caps just in case they shoot differently. Typically when I help customers, most of them are looking for the CCI #11 mag which we carry and the folks looking for the musket caps don't complain about the CCI's and I've never paid much attention to the brand I was handing them.

I'll try the tell the big man that we need to get these German ones!!! No promises, Corporations are slow, and the bigger they are, seam like the slower. Mabye we do carry them, and we're just out of them right now...I swear I've seen them there :dunno:?
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Post by: DeerThug on July 13, 2010, 08:48:18 PM: I have use the musket caps since I started using a muzzelloader and highly recomend them. I have shot 6 elk, a buck and a cougar with my 50. cal. What I have found with the capper is to not fill it full. If there is enough space they will not jam up. and in a realistic hunting situation you will not need more than a couple of shots. ( I did have a wreck with one elk that did take more than a couple) bu t that is the extream exception. If you are concernedjust buy 2 cappers and put 3 or 4 in each. As far as german or others I have not noticed any difference.

Shoot straight! Shoot often!
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 13, 2010, 09:03:41 PM: that is a very good point i also only put about 6-7 caps and never max out the cappers they work better no jammed full
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Post by: Whitelightning on July 13, 2010, 09:52:46 PM: The German caps you are referring to are RWS caps made by Dynamit Nobel. Both the #11 and Musket's are best of any out there IMO. I stocked up too got 4000 or so in the safe :IBCOOL:
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Post by: Lowedog on July 13, 2010, 10:04:23 PM: Just doing some research on musket caps vs #11 percussion caps and found this.

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In page 83 of Dave Ehrig's book "Muzzleloading for Deer & Turkey", he lists some information on percussion caps and primers.

#11 standard cap - 6.53 cc of gas at 3,024 degrees F when fired.
#11 magnum cap - 7.59 cc of gas at 3,717 degrees F when fired.
U.S. #2 musket cap - 14.36 cc of gas at 3,717 degrees F when fired.
#209 shotgun primer - 21.98 cc of gas at 3,024 degrees F when fired.
#200 rifle primer - 11.68 cc of gas at 3,024 degrees F when fired.
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Post by: ML_Hunter on July 13, 2010, 10:13:04 PM: Excellent information to know!! ;)
Thanks Lowedog!!
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Post by: gadwall on July 13, 2010, 10:39:12 PM: Quote from: SkookumHntr on July 03, 2010, 12:17:23 PM
-Anybody use the CCI four wing musket caps? I wanted the German Musket caps but couldnt find them and was wondering how these worked out for you guys?? :dunno:

I used to use CCI caps but have had a couple missfires. I only use the German musket caps made by RWS for about the last 3 years now.
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Post by: Amsdad on July 14, 2010, 11:21:45 PM: I picked up a couple boxes each of the RWS #11s and Musket caps at Wholesale Sports in Federal Way a few weeks ago. I happened to be there as they were putting them out. You might try giving them a call to see if they have any in stock or expect more in.

I have not had a chance to try them yet, but I have heard a lot of folks are very happy with them.
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Post by: ribka on July 14, 2010, 11:39:21 PM: Quote from: Amsdad on July 14, 2010, 11:21:45 PM
I picked up a couple boxes each of the RWS #11s and Musket caps at Wholesale Sports in Federal Way a few weeks ago. I happened to be there as they were putting them out. You might try giving them a call to see if they have any in stock or expect more in.

I have not had a chance to try them yet, but I have heard a lot of folks are very happy with them.

RWS musket caps = gooood sh&&&t

no misfires. As Vince from the "Shamwow" says" Germans make good stuff!"
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Post by: shorthair-on-point on July 16, 2010, 08:51:26 AM: German's are the way to go
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Post by: Whitelightning on July 16, 2010, 06:26:59 PM: Quote from: shorthair-on-point on July 16, 2010, 08:51:26 AM
German's are the way to go

I have used RWS for many years. I thought I would go back to CCI and had Five in a row not go off. Nothing more frustrating than sitting at the range waiting to see if it is a hangfire or not. I have never had a RWS cap not fire. I will use ONLY RWS.
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Post by: Dan-o on July 22, 2010, 10:03:51 PM: I'm sold on the German ones. They've never let me down - others have.

Just my :twocents:
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Post by: BoomWhop on July 30, 2010, 02:40:34 PM: yeah i use the german ones as well
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Post by: wapiti hunter2 on July 30, 2010, 08:49:46 PM: I bought the German ones yesterday at Sunbirds in Yelm.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 30, 2010, 10:17:15 PM: i have shot the cci's for years but bought a tin of the germans the other day and will give them a shot this year.
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Post by: Bulldog on July 30, 2010, 10:30:45 PM: About 5 yrs ago I used musket caps along with several friends of mine.. For me that lasted about 2 weeks.. First one that fell off the nipple was it for me.. We tested #11's and musket caps to see if tere was a velocity difference.. I figured a hotter ignition would result in a more consistant burn and be faster.. But I figured wrong. They shot the same..

Pards still run M-caps.. I like *censored*t thats bullet proof. #11's do the job just fine.. I live on the wetside and if ya don't keep your powder dry it don't matter what the heck your running..

Watch your top-notch and keep your powder dry.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 30, 2010, 10:38:32 PM: muskets just have more fire is all. i think it was posted a bit ago that the musket caps are 3 times hotter then standard 11 and 1.5 times hotter then the mag 11's. i will only shoot musket caps i have had nothing but probs with the 11. so i switched to the musket caps about 5 years ago and will never go back. my main muzzleloader is a bolt action so no way for the cap to fall off. the slide action guns like my black diamond is a little harder to keep the muskets on but i just pinch them a little with a multi tool and they stay on that gun great.