Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 09, 2010, 08:28:41 AM
Anyways, I urge you to vote. Here is a link to the poll
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,52993.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,52993.0.html)
Post by: gasman on July 09, 2010, 12:50:56 PM
What do you hope to accomplish?
What will 100 votes do, out of the 10's of thousands of hunters out there?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 09, 2010, 01:06:29 PM
-Steve
Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 09, 2010, 02:44:31 PM
Post by: mkcj on July 09, 2010, 03:06:36 PM
Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 09, 2010, 03:12:25 PM
Where in your poll does it say anything about "Illegal ATV off road use" If it's legal then I have no problem with people using them if it's not then call the ranger's or WDFW and report it when you see it happening in "our" elk hunting area.
This is the exact poll description.
The question is, What do you think about atv, motorcycle, rhino use in Wa during deer or elk seasons. I know that it is a growing issue, and that the number of riders in our elk area was astounding last season.
Elaborate in your post, and if there isn't an option for you then post what you think.
Ill start:
I think they are fine as long as they are relatively quiet, and stay on the road/designated paths. I hate it when I see them behind closed gates, or out in the open meadows illegally. For sake of the environment, animals being spooked, and the other hunters.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 09, 2010, 03:27:31 PM
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The question is, What do you think about atv, motorcycle, rhino use in Wa during deer or elk seasons.
I have no problem with it if they are on the legal pathway and operate the motorized vehicle in a safe manner.
I don't know anywhere where they're actually allowed to go off road or off designated trail in a hunting area.
-Steve
Post by: norsepeak on July 09, 2010, 03:41:32 PM
Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 09, 2010, 03:43:47 PM
This is what I found on it.
Except for roads open by green dot designation, all roads and trails are closed to all wheeled motor vehicles including ATVs. Violators will be subject to prosecution pursuant to W.A.C. 232.12.187. Closing sensitive areas helps protect fish from sediment running off of roads, migratory routes of big game, wildlife habitat, and timber and road resources while allowing for safe and fun recreation opportunities. The green dot roads are meant to remain at a net amount of miles, so when one section is removed from the management agreement, another may be added of equal length. Roads designated as green dot can change as harvest or sites are identified which may need protection or rehabilitation. We appreciate help from users in maintaining and educating about our green dot system!
Post by: Gutpile on July 09, 2010, 03:46:18 PM
Post by: Lowedog on July 09, 2010, 03:54:13 PM
You have to find out what is legal...on federal land, which is Forest service, ATV's are LEGAL anywhere offroad they want to go...so if you are in your hunting spot and you are on national forest, and an ATV comes by you, the ATV is LEGAL....don't believe it, call the forest service. Been over this issue a million times for the last few years.
That is about to change. Pretty soon it will be that OHV's are only allowed where it is clearly a designated OHV trail or road. What can be done now if someone is caught "offroad" is they can be cited for resource damage.
Recurve, if you are witnessing illegal activity then report it to the proper authority. Nothing can or will be done about it unless they are caught in the act.
Post by: bearhunter99 on July 09, 2010, 04:23:06 PM
Post by: gasman on July 09, 2010, 04:28:37 PM
Now with thatbeing said, there used to be WDFW areas in the north central part of the state that a disabled hunter could ride a OHV behind closed gates and road, and drive said vehicle off road to retreive game taken. Weather the area is still there or not :dunno: I found it in the Disabled hunter guide lines, some time ago.
Now if you are seeing OHV users in areas you are sure they are not supose to be, then take a pic of the activity, and document what you see, then report it to the proper athority. With out pic they do very little any more, and taking actions in to your own hands can lead you in to more trouble then them.
Bearhunter99, you are correct, forest service roads. Off Road= Legal On road=Illegal
I am an advid OHVer and i follow the rules, but i also know the rules as well.
Post by: bigtex on July 18, 2010, 09:55:25 AM
Each forest is operated under it's own rules. So something that is allowed in Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie may not be allowed in Okanogan-Wenatchee. ATVs/ORVs are NOT allowed in Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie except for the ATV areas such as Evans Creek. However they are allowed on most roads in Ok-Wen. You can actually be cited in Mt. Baker- Snoq. for just having an ATV on your trailer. This is why it is important to call the individual ranger station and ask them. Because what could be legal in one ranger district could be illegal in the neighboring one.
Post by: bigtex on July 18, 2010, 09:57:28 AM
I'd rather see WDFW worry about poachers. Not people who annoy you.
Well WDFW is not the only agency that is suppose to enforce ATV rules. The county sheriff is actually the primary agency that is mandated to enforce ATV rules.
Post by: bobcat on July 18, 2010, 10:03:13 AM
Post by: bigtex on July 18, 2010, 10:12:54 AM
Cle Elum Ranger District, which is part of the Wenatchee National Forest, does not allow non-street legal vehicles on any roads.
:yeah:
There are numerous signs saying this, but yet it amazes me how many people still violate the law.
Post by: Lowedog on July 18, 2010, 10:32:30 AM
Well some of you are right and some aren't.
Each forest is operated under it's own rules. So something that is allowed in Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie may not be allowed in Okanogan-Wenatchee. ATVs/ORVs are NOT allowed in Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie except for the ATV areas such as Evans Creek. However they are allowed on most roads in Ok-Wen. You can actually be cited in Mt. Baker- Snoq. for just having an ATV on your trailer. This is why it is important to call the individual ranger station and ask them. Because what could be legal in one ranger district could be illegal in the neighboring one.
Incorrect. The USFS has some roads that are designated open for ATV/ORV use. It doesn't matter which district it is. The roads that are open for OHV use are clearly marked on on USFS maps. There are only two roads on USFS land in Chelan county that are open for OHV use. You must have a street legal vehicle to be on any USFS road that is not designated open for OHV use. There are very few roads in the state that are open to OHV that can also be driven on by a truck or car.
The USFS is implementing their new rules regarding OHV use. In the next year or so we will see some changes and I know some sections of roads will be open for OHV that connect trails and roads that are currently open for OHV use.
http://www.arra-access.com/site/PageServer?pagename=arra_ohv_designation_center (http://www.arra-access.com/site/PageServer?pagename=arra_ohv_designation_center)
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The U.S. Forest Service is in the process of implementing its Travel Management Rule. The rule requires all forests to designate and map OHV routes and when completed, no OHV use will be allowed except on these designated routes. Now that individual Forests are in the process of implementing the rule, it is extremely important that OHV riders participate in this process.
Post by: hunterofelk on July 18, 2010, 12:37:10 PM
So this got me to remember all the times I found a road that was blocked by tank traps or rocks and a sign saying "no motorized vehicles" and there were ATV tracks going around the obstacle. I thought this was a violation of the law. Now I don't. I don't know what to think. I thought an ATV was a motorized vehicle. Driving around the barrier seemed the wrong thing to do.
Post by: predatorpro on July 25, 2010, 05:36:06 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on August 23, 2010, 07:44:23 AM
Thanks
Joe
Post by: bobcat on August 23, 2010, 07:50:50 AM
Post by: Hunter Dug on August 24, 2010, 08:09:01 AM
Post by: sako223 on August 24, 2010, 08:47:41 AM
One exception to no motorized vehicles is disabled motorized.
Post by: bigtex on August 24, 2010, 09:05:48 AM
Yes, state land is about the only place you can legally ride ATV's anymore. But it's getting ridiculous now with all the rules. You can now get ticket for not wearing a helmet. So to me it's not even worth owning one anymore. That's why I sold my 4 wheeler last year.
Actually a lot of DNR land is now closed to motor vehicles and ATV's. The USFS does have the ORV/ATV park near Carbonado and it is very popular.
Post by: Special T on August 24, 2010, 09:51:28 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on August 24, 2010, 09:57:48 AM
This is simple if it says no MOTORIZED vehicle that is what i means. If it says ROAD CLOSED thats what it means. Does your rig have a motor, electric, gas, diesel, propane what ever. IT IS MOTORIZED. All Washington State National Forest land is closed to Non Street legal vehicles, quads, motorcycles, scooters if you cant ride it down the freeway you cant ride it in the national forest. Unless it is a designated area or road for Non street legal vehicles and they are clearly marked in the national forest. Unless some dip*censored* riding his quad tore down that sign and you know who you are. Every year we turn some one in for riding there quads on the national forest land, and every year the warden, or the sherriff show up at our camp, and make them trailer the quads with a warning, a lot of the times we will explain the law to the violators and they had no idea an think just because they have a offroad vehicle they can ride it where ever.
Well that is good then I am riding my fricken quad, your A$$ tried to kill me on the motorcycles. Fatboys like me ride QUADS!!!!! Now get in there and get our camping spot secured.
Joe
Post by: Hunter Dug on August 24, 2010, 08:04:17 PM
This is simple if it says no MOTORIZED vehicle that is what i means. If it says ROAD CLOSED thats what it means. Does your rig have a motor, electric, gas, diesel, propane what ever. IT IS MOTORIZED. All Washington State National Forest land is closed to Non Street legal vehicles, quads, motorcycles, scooters if you cant ride it down the freeway you cant ride it in the national forest. Unless it is a designated area or road for Non street legal vehicles and they are clearly marked in the national forest. Unless some dip*censored* riding his quad tore down that sign and you know who you are. Every year we turn some one in for riding there quads on the national forest land, and every year the warden, or the sherriff show up at our camp, and make them trailer the quads with a warning, a lot of the times we will explain the law to the violators and they had no idea an think just because they have a offroad vehicle they can ride it where ever.
Well that is good then I am riding my fricken quad, your A$$ tried to kill me on the motorcycles. Fatboys like me ride QUADS!!!!! Now get in there and get our camping spot secured.
Joe
This subject frustrates me more than any. Ill get it done.
Post by: DRDANTDC on August 31, 2010, 09:54:29 PM
You need to hike farther in. Nooo atv's where we hunt!Where in your poll does it say anything about "Illegal ATV off road use" If it's legal then I have no problem with people using them if it's not then call the ranger's or WDFW and report it when you see it happening in "our" elk hunting area.
This is the exact poll description.
The question is, What do you think about atv, motorcycle, rhino use in Wa during deer or elk seasons. I know that it is a growing issue, and that the number of riders in our elk area was astounding last season.
Elaborate in your post, and if there isn't an option for you then post what you think.
Ill start:
I think they are fine as long as they are relatively quiet, and stay on the road/designated paths. I hate it when I see them behind closed gates, or out in the open meadows illegally. For sake of the environment, animals being spooked, and the other hunters.
Post by: pjmcbride on November 12, 2010, 09:25:02 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on November 12, 2010, 08:45:11 PM
I'd rather see WDFW worry about poachers. Not people who annoy you.
X2
Post by: chester on November 12, 2010, 08:55:36 PM
check out the link and you will see what I am talking about, there is a debate going on in it. Its the issue of people abusing their rights with atv/motorcycles. Going places that they are prohibited essentially.
Didnt read the whole thread but this stuck out. what rights? the multiple use rights? I personally work in the powersports industry and have ridden as long as ive hunted.. If you think finding a place to hunt is hard? try finding a place to ride. You would be suprised the number of people who do both. Public lands should allow for both. And not be specified for one or the other. They are public. Why is everyone always bashing another user group on here? hikers hate hunters, hunters hate riders, Horsemen want the trails to themselves. Nobody wants to keep public lands open to the public. If everybody keeps trying to lock it up for themselves nobody is going to be able to use it. It gets old.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on November 13, 2010, 06:50:14 PM
check out the link and you will see what I am talking about, there is a debate going on in it. Its the issue of people abusing their rights with atv/motorcycles. Going places that they are prohibited essentially.
Didnt read the whole thread but this stuck out. what rights? the multiple use rights? I personally work in the powersports industry and have ridden as long as ive hunted.. If you think finding a place to hunt is hard? try finding a place to ride. You would be suprised the number of people who do both. Public lands should allow for both. And not be specified for one or the other. They are public. Why is everyone always bashing another user group on here? hikers hate hunters, hunters hate riders, Horsemen want the trails to themselves. Nobody wants to keep public lands open to the public. If everybody keeps trying to lock it up for themselves nobody is going to be able to use it. It gets old.
Yes it DOES!
Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups and quit losing opportunity.
Post by: pjmcbride on November 14, 2010, 08:03:15 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 14, 2010, 09:04:54 AM
Post by: pjmcbride on November 14, 2010, 11:19:46 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 14, 2010, 02:59:36 PM
campmeat they just dont relize that a quad is lighter than a jeep.pluse they are working with junk sience. after all it thier buddies that spin their wheels not me i tread light so we can keep our roads open.
I tread lightly myself. I just get irked when ATVs are always getting blamed for stuff that isn't their fault. What gets me is you can drive, jeeps, bulldozers, log trucks, skidders, dump trucks, army tanks, motorcycles, run cows all over the national forest and never a word is brought up about them. My gas tax from my ATV plus ORV sticker pays for something. I think thet should tax the crap out of bicycle owners just like an ATV. I hate bicyclists with a passion. They are the most self centered a-holes on the road. They have no manners, cause traffic problems, don't pay gas taxes or license thier bikes etc.
Post by: rjn cajun on November 14, 2010, 07:16:21 PM
Post by: ribka on November 14, 2010, 07:21:37 PM
campmeat they just dont relize that a quad is lighter than a jeep.pluse they are working with junk sience. after all it thier buddies that spin their wheels not me i tread light so we can keep our roads open.
I tread lightly myself. I just get irked when ATVs are always getting blamed for stuff that isn't their fault. What gets me is you can drive, jeeps, bulldozers, log trucks, skidders, dump trucks, army tanks, motorcycles, run cows all over the national forest and never a word is brought up about them. My gas tax from my ATV plus ORV sticker pays for something. I think thet should tax the crap out of bicycle owners just like an ATV. I hate bicyclists with a passion. They are the most self centered a-holes on the road. They have no manners, cause traffic problems, don't pay gas taxes or license thier bikes etc.
I am sorry again. But like to put the quote that "bicylcists need to pay gas taxes on a t shirt" ;)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 14, 2010, 07:23:49 PM
I'll take a 4xl in black for a T shirt.
Post by: ribka on November 14, 2010, 07:28:43 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 14, 2010, 07:34:45 PM
You come up with some classics. Kudos to you ;)
Ain't much else to do here but be crazy. :P
Post by: berger175 on November 14, 2010, 08:13:33 PM
For those of you that thrash and trash with no respect for nature or other hunter's. Pack a lunch. The so called sheriff will do nothing but tell them to leave even if they did get caught. I am not a tree hugger but I do have respect.
Post by: gasman on November 14, 2010, 08:18:15 PM
Think we all need to remember that hunting should be done on your feet and not on your ass no matter the transpo. ATVs have a place and that is not in the wood's during hunting season.
For those of you that thrash and trash with no respect for nature or other hunter's. Pack a lunch. The so called sheriff will do nothing but tell them to leave even if they did get caught. I am not a tree hugger but I do have respect.
Well, theres another one that will devide and concour the greatoutdoors :pee:
And who will stand behind you when you need it :stup:
Post by: berger175 on November 14, 2010, 08:25:17 PM
Post by: gasman on November 14, 2010, 08:32:21 PM
We are all out there enjoying the same thing, just in different waysand when one way gets threatened by another user group, it never comes out good and everyone sufers.
We need to work to gether to all be able to enjoy the outdoors in our own way, not try to stop or bad mouth another because you don't agree with it. Its thinking like your that causes this kind of @#$%^^$#$
Try thinking of others for once.
Post by: gasman on November 14, 2010, 08:41:07 PM
Did your feelings get hurt?
Why did you PM me this?
Are you aftraid to have a "Adult Disscussion" on the open forum?
You just proved my point once again, thanks :mor:
Sorry for the :jacked:
Post by: berger175 on November 14, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
There is no fear here pal.We can discuss this any way you wish.
Post by: gasman on November 14, 2010, 08:54:32 PM
You don't seem to get it and probably never will. So all I ask is ride your ATV on the road or trail if its legal in that area. Get off of it when you hunt. Don't thrash on what are kids have to use later. Get it.
There is no fear here pal.We can discuss this any way you wish.
I probably get it better then you.
It is not illegal to ride off road with a OHV in some areas? Did you know that?
There are instances that an OHV is only way some people gat get out and enjoy teh outdoors (besides driving a vehicle), ever think of that?
The responsable OHV user is not causing the problem, tearing up areas, riding where they are not supose to and you just lump them all in to one :bdid:
My kids enjoy teh great outdoors is ALL shapes and forms and will for years to come, unless thinking like yous takes completely over.
OHV are just as much a hunting tool as you vehicle that gets you to the woods, weather you like it or not (obviously not).
Post by: ribka on November 14, 2010, 08:56:40 PM
You don't seem to get it and probably never will. So all I ask is ride your ATV on the road or trail if its legal in that area. Get off of it when you hunt. Don't thrash on what are kids have to use later. Get it.
There is no fear here pal.We can discuss this any way you wish.
I probably get it better then you.
It is not illegal to ride off road with a OHV in some areas? Did you know that?
There are instances that an OHV is only way some people gat get out and enjoy teh outdoors (besides driving a vehicle), ever think of that?
The responsable OHV user is not causing the problem, tearing up areas, riding where they are not supose to and you just lump them all in to one :bdid:
My kids enjoy teh great outdoors is ALL shapes and forms and will for years to come, unless thinking like yous takes completely over.
OHV are just as much a hunting tool as you vehicle that gets you to the woods, weather you like it or not (obviously not).
Pete I think you just need to sell your jeep, ATV and Dodge and buy some carbon neutral Birkenstock sandles and a hemp robe to hunt in 8)
Post by: gasman on November 14, 2010, 09:00:32 PM
You don't seem to get it and probably never will. So all I ask is ride your ATV on the road or trail if its legal in that area. Get off of it when you hunt. Don't thrash on what are kids have to use later. Get it.
There is no fear here pal.We can discuss this any way you wish.
I probably get it better then you.
It is not illegal to ride off road with a OHV in some areas? Did you know that?
There are instances that an OHV is only way some people gat get out and enjoy teh outdoors (besides driving a vehicle), ever think of that?
The responsable OHV user is not causing the problem, tearing up areas, riding where they are not supose to and you just lump them all in to one :bdid:
My kids enjoy teh great outdoors is ALL shapes and forms and will for years to come, unless thinking like yous takes completely over.
OHV are just as much a hunting tool as you vehicle that gets you to the woods, weather you like it or not (obviously not).
Pete I think you just need to sell your jeep, ATV and Dodge and buy some carbon neutral Birkenstock sandles and a hemp robe to hunt in 8)
Thanks Ribka, I needed a good laugh :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
But, can I keep the dog. I wil trader him for the wife ;)
Post by: berger175 on November 14, 2010, 09:04:20 PM
Post by: bigpaw 77 on November 14, 2010, 09:08:44 PM
This conversation was for those who thrash with ATV'S. I have fought for this country and defended my right to say what ever the hell I want. When I got back to the USA I have found plenty of lame ass people like your self that think that it is privilege to screw it up for everyone else. The way of the world is all yours and as long as you get yours the hell with every else. It is not me that is screwed up. By the way have you ever seen an ass hole wrapped in plastic."look at your drivers license".WOW, being a new member who is talking like that to other members is not a great way to start off. :bdid:
Post by: berger175 on November 14, 2010, 09:11:01 PM
Post by: washelkhntr on November 14, 2010, 09:12:29 PM
Post by: gasman on November 14, 2010, 09:14:10 PM
This conversation was for those who thrash with ATV'S. I have fought for this country and defended my right to say what ever the hell I want. When I got back to the USA I have found plenty of lame ass people like your self that think that it is privilege to screw it up for everyone else. The way of the world is all yours and as long as you get yours the hell with every else. It is not me that is screwed up. By the way have you ever seen an ass hole wrapped in plastic."look at your drivers license".
You really should read my post and not read in to it.
I AM FOR THE RIGHTS OF ALL USER GROUPS, NOT MY OWN.
Can you understand that. I am not the one who wants to stop another user group from enjoying what they do. You were tha one that stated "ATV's do not belong in hunting". not me.
Sounds like if anyone in this converdsaion is self absorbed, it's you. I did not PM you, you PM me when you feelings were hurt.
I put it all out here in the open ;)
Post by: gasman on November 14, 2010, 09:15:46 PM
And yet another ITG strikes again. :bash:
All right, I will bite. Whats ITG :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on November 14, 2010, 09:15:52 PM
Post by: berger175 on November 14, 2010, 09:23:55 PM
Post by: Gundy on November 14, 2010, 09:24:52 PM
Post by: berger175 on November 14, 2010, 09:32:17 PM
Post by: fair-chase on November 14, 2010, 09:36:01 PM
We have all broken or bent the law, whether it be hunting laws or the laws of the land, many times so again I say GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE.
Speak for yourself. Not all of us have. I'm not taking sides on this pissing match but this statment rubs me the wrong way. What the heck are laws of the land anyways. Jiberish.
Post by: norsepeak on November 14, 2010, 09:41:54 PM
Post by: berger175 on November 14, 2010, 09:51:10 PM
Post by: gasman on November 15, 2010, 05:00:56 AM
You shouldn't have to give up anything. I think there should be areas and there is for that kind of use and area's with out that kind of use. So we have a choice on where we go with out having it screwed up. Some off road vehicle users have little to no respect for the resource and other hunters. The ones that do should slap there hoggie ass's.
Yeah, and there are lots of a$$ hat hunters tah give us bad names too :bash:
If you want to hunt where there is no OHV use, go to the wilderness, lots of land there.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 15, 2010, 07:09:09 AM
Post by: high country on November 15, 2010, 06:45:25 PM
Post by: Special T on November 15, 2010, 09:03:38 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 16, 2010, 12:28:49 PM
If you want to hunt where there are not any then learn about the machine their capibilities and find an area where they cannot be wether legal or illegal. I have found many areas that is completely unaccessable for a quad, dirtbike, jeep or a hover craft.
Joe
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 16, 2010, 12:34:35 PM
Private Timber land - Forest Circus, 2 completely different animals.
Post by: pjmcbride on November 18, 2010, 09:11:56 AM
to the guys that go where there not suppoed tobe will they deserve what they get and it is useully the peaple that dont know the area.not just one group.it the ones that dont know and when some one confrounts them they get testy and if every one did their home-work they would find that animals might cross where they least expect it not driveing off the road becuse you dont want to walk to where you hunt.if you have that hard of a time then learn to hunt the terrane to get to your spot. :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 18, 2010, 09:19:24 AM
if your on a green dot road.dont go off it.for me thats how i get around i was in an area this year that was tore-up only a jeep or atv could go up it the problem i see is when it rain's and the traffic just keeps spining their wheels thats when the ruts start and that is useally due to the wrong tire's for the area.you dont need mudders for a rocky/little mud u need a good allterrane tire and like i read know your area.
to the guys that go where there not suppoed tobe will they deserve what they get and it is useully the peaple that dont know the area.not just one group.it the ones that dont know and when some one confrounts them they get testy and if every one did their home-work they would find that animals might cross where they least expect it not driveing off the road becuse you dont want to walk to where you hunt.if you have that hard of a time then learn to hunt the terrane to get to your spot. :twocents:
pjmcbride,
In the Curlew area, you cannot ride ATVs on the forest circus roads. We have a couple of places that you can. I misunderstood your PM.
Conconully is the very best for ATV riding. It's actually legal ther if you have helmets and ORV stickers.
Post by: pjmcbride on November 18, 2010, 10:04:43 AM
Post by: high country on November 18, 2010, 11:08:44 AM
People who think the way THEY hunt is the ONLY way to hunt. Thats who needs the help. For f sake get off your high horse. People hunt differently just like people dress differently and eat differently anl like different kinds of music. YOUR way is good for YOU! I already know your response is going to have the word "illegal" in it but save it. We have all broken or bent the law, whether it be hunting laws or the laws of the land, many times so again I say GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE.
so it would not bother you if someone flys up in a helicoptor and blasts the critter you were after?
c'mon! the law is the law, follow it or get the punishment. there is a place for all methods of hunting, why be an atv hunter in a roadless area? oh, that is right.....to try and gain an unfair advantage over those who have the salts to pack in. your defense of slob hunters is gonna really do you well here.
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Post by: high country on November 18, 2010, 11:12:15 AM
atv's are a great tool for hunting and scouting, but they need to be used in accordance of the law, otherwise we will be handing the wilderness nazis more fuel for their cause.
just do what is right, if you do not like what is right, lobby against it......but don't try to make your own rules for public land, you are screwing us all.
Post by: gasman on November 18, 2010, 11:51:23 AM
Nothing pisses me off more than quads riding where they shouldn't be.
I think everyone agrees with that statement.
What the big conversation piece is weather OHV's should be used at all.
There are those that believe they do not belong in the woods at all or used for hunting and that is where the big discussions is at.
What we have is those for there use and those against there use, but we all agree it should be done legally and with in the law, but is it up to each of us to know the rules of the area we are in, an di am talking about hunters and OHV users. Some places it may b elegal other it may not. Not all lands are managed the same, public or private.
Weather you like it or not, OHV's are here to stay and only get more popular...........
Post by: bobcat on November 18, 2010, 12:32:47 PM
Post by: high country on November 18, 2010, 12:36:48 PM
Post by: gasman on November 18, 2010, 12:54:32 PM
that is why I have a plated wr 450, so I can cruise the roads and take it all in w/o beating the piss out of my rigs.
And I have WR250 for the same reason, but there is places I would love to take my quad that I can't.
Post by: bearhunter59 on December 12, 2010, 12:03:05 AM
Post by: chester on December 12, 2010, 01:22:31 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 12, 2010, 07:32:43 AM
it would definitely be easier to find road and trails to ride "legally", if the state would quit "illegally" stealing our NOVA funds, and use them for what we voluntarily gave them up to be used for.
My friends are fighting like crazy to get OUR money out NOVA and use it where it should be used. We cannot ride our ATVs anyplace over here except for a small handful of areas. I hate the forest circus, nothing but a bunch of *censored*s !!!!!!