Post by: ML_Hunter on July 14, 2010, 09:31:02 PM
So when Voting use the examples below to get an idea of what I'm talking about here.
Prostaff vs. Rifleman
Prostaff vs. VX-I
Buckmaster vs. VX-II
Monarch vs. VX-III
And I threw a few extra choices in there.
This should be a fun one ;) Drum roll please...... :)
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 14, 2010, 09:40:42 PM
-Steve
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Post by: ML_Hunter on July 14, 2010, 11:04:03 PM
leupold all the way, never let me down. had some bum deals with nikon and was asked to rep for them and sell them and i turned it down :bash: just could not sell stuff i did not like or trust myself.
I've tried getting a Nikon rep position with them. And with Leupold, Lomis, Primos, Browning, Springfield...and I'm learning that Rep jobs are hard to get >:(! Burris did offer me a position, 10 days a year, lots of un-paid travling, at min wage...yea, that was a NO!
Post by: Pathfinder101 on July 15, 2010, 03:51:17 PM
I'm a die hard Leupold slut.
:yeah:
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Post by: rasbo on July 15, 2010, 04:22:07 PM
Wildlife advocates condemn Twin Falls ID wolf/coyote killing “Derby”
Wildlife advocates are condemning a wolf/coyote killing “Derby”, scheduled this Saturday, January 9, at Twin Falls, organized by the Idaho Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife (SFW).
“This event has no place in the 21st Century”, says Rich Hurry of the Boulder-White Clouds Council, a conservation group based in Central Idaho. We are urging citizens to contact event sponsors to protest this barbaric event.”
Last November, a coalition of groups including Boulder-White Clouds Council and individuals asked Nikon to withdraw their sponsorship of a SWF predator derby in Pocatello. Nikon agreed. The company’s name no longer appears on the Idaho SFW website. Among the businesses sponsoring the Twin Falls SFW Predator Derby are Sportsman’s Warehouse, Cabela’s and a local restaurant, the Grubbin’ BBQ.
Grubbin’ BBQ owner Sean Cluff is listed on SFW’s site as an event contact person. Another contact is SFW Executive Director, Nate Helms, an outspoken opponent of wolves in Idaho. For the first time, wolves will be included as one of the moving targets sought after by hunters paying $50 each to enter the event. According to the SFW website, there will be points and prizes awarded to participants for shooting the most predators. A wolf is worth three points, while coyote, fox and bobcat are worth two points. When contacted about the fact that wolves were now part of SFW’s Idaho predator derby, the Idaho Department of Fish and Game said they had not heard this, but it was not illegal.
Hunters displaying dead coyotes with a Sportsman’s Warehouse banner behind them, are shown at the SFW Website:
http://www.sfwidaho.org/SFW/Idaho_Predator_Derby.html (http://www.sfwidaho.org/SFW/Idaho_Predator_Derby.html)
“Predator killing tournaments are ecologically unsound, ethically indefensible and antithetical to conservation biology and ecosystem-based science,” states Camilla Fox, Founding Director of Project Coyote and Wildlife Consultant for the Animal Welfare Institute.
Jerry Black, a member of Wildlife Watchers says: “There’s no fair chase in trapping or calling in wolves or coyotes, and nobody’s feeding their family with wolf or coyote meat. This is a blatant example of animal cruelty, indecency and shows a total lack of respect for life. I’m surprised and disappointed that any businesses would sponsor an event that celebrates the needless pain and suffering of an animal.” Black adds, “I won’t be shopping at Cabela’s or Sportsman’s Warehouse again, until they stop sponsoring predator contests. And, I certainly won’t be eating ribs at the Grubbin’ BBQ.” Hurry agrees and is urging his friends and relatives to do the same. “Coyote killing contest are a totally ineffective management strategy given the species’ resiliency and ability to biologically rebound,” said Fox.
The groups opposing the contest say that while coyotes will prey on larger mammals, their diet consists mainly of small mammals including mice, voles, rats, ground squirrels and rabbits — providing free rodent control services to ranchers. They also point out that progressive cattle and sheep ranchers are living with coyotes using non-lethal methods. Hurry, a deer hunter adds: “Predator hunters might believe they are helping deer numbers to increase, but in reality there are many factors that impact deer survival. These include weather, winter range, starvation, quality of summer habitat, disease, poaching, hunting mortality, wounding and roadkill.”
He goes on to say that predators help keep elk and deer herds genetically robust by culling the weak, sick and diseased, unlike hunters who seek out the largest “trophy” bulls or bucks.
Much like wolves, generally, unexploited coyotes may live in social family groups, with only the alpha pair breeding once a year in mid-February and giving birth 63 days later. Other females, though physiologically capable of reproducing, are “behaviorally sterile.” Coyotes respond to lethal control with a number of biological mechanisms, which can result in increased pup survival.
In a predator “contest”, so-called hunters slaughter coyotes (or wolves) using various techniques to attract the coyote into rifle range, including a distress call that sounds like an injured animal. Wolves and coyotes, who generally mate for life, feel a strong bond to other members of their species, and when they hear a cry for help, may come to investigate. Coyote and wolf hunters have also been known to bait in coyotes and wolves for “sport” shooting, using livestock that have died from old age, illness, or injury.
Coyotes have no protection whatsoever under current Idaho law. Coyotes can be run over with a vehicle, including being chased to exhaustion and flattened with a snowmobile. When this happened in the Sawtooth Valley near Stanley in 1999, a photo of the pancaked coyote received widespread negative press for the state of Idaho.
Predator killing contests are being protested all over the United States, most recently in Maine, and in Fallon NV this weekend.
http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/howling-for-justice-alert-2-predator-derby/ (http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/howling-for-justice-alert-2-predator-derby/)
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Post by: Gutpile on July 17, 2010, 06:08:02 PM
I believe i will start buying Leupy from here on out. money is not quite the issue it once was and the warranty is great. Not to mention made in the U.S.
:twocents:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on July 17, 2010, 09:47:45 PM
What I've found with my three is that they are hard to site in. 4 clicks does not necesarily mean one inch.
:twocents:
That's the first thing I noticed with my first Leupold. I was used to scopes that you had to crank on to move an inch or two. Didnt' take me long to get used to true measurements though...
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Post by: KimberRich on July 21, 2010, 02:44:25 PM
I'm sure Nikons are just fine, but Leupold is made in the USA so they would get my money.
Are all their scopes made in the US? I know both pairs of my Leupold Binoculars say Made in China.. or some other country. I can't remember for sure. I'm a Leupold supporter no matter what but would like to have them all made in the US.
Post by: bobcat on July 21, 2010, 02:49:20 PM
I'm sure Nikons are just fine, but Leupold is made in the USA so they would get my money.
Are all their scopes made in the US? I know both pairs of my Leupold Binoculars say Made in China.. or some other country. I can't remember for sure. I'm a Leupold supporter no matter what but would like to have them all made in the US.
You must have the Wind Rivers. They're not "real" Leupolds, they are just imported by Leupold.
Post by: KimberRich on July 21, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
I'm sure Nikons are just fine, but Leupold is made in the USA so they would get my money.
Are all their scopes made in the US? I know both pairs of my Leupold Binoculars say Made in China.. or some other country. I can't remember for sure. I'm a Leupold supporter no matter what but would like to have them all made in the US.
You must have the Wind Rivers. They're not "real" Leupolds, they are just imported by Leupold.
One set is Wind Rivers and the other is the Mojave's. After reading a bunch on line it sounds like more and more of their products are manufactured overseas and assembled here and all the cheaper lines like Rifleman and VX-I are from China.
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Post by: ML_Hunter on July 21, 2010, 11:24:51 PM
"If it was a Leupold there would have been no charge. "
It MAY have been no charge. They will charge you if you destroyed the product, which in this case is what I had done.
Post by: wastickslinger on July 21, 2010, 11:47:27 PM
"If it was a Leupold there would have been no charge. "
It MAY have been no charge. They will charge you if you destroyed the product, which in this case is what I had done.
I dropped a pair of binos(they were 6 years old), they went double vision. I had a new pair at my door in a week. I know of several people that have had similar experience. No fault warranty. You drop a Luepold like you did your Nikon and it breaks I guarantee they will take care of you. That is the difference in Leupold and Nikon warranty. Dont get me wrong, I like them both and I am not trying to start anything ut Leupold stands behind their product like no other company I have ever seen.
I am curious if anyone has ever been charged by Leupold for repairs. I have never heard of any charges.
Post by: Tony 270 on July 22, 2010, 12:06:49 AM
leupold hands down, no question asked warrantys, nikon I cant say the same
Not true. Your fault in any way Leupie will charge you now. Bend/dent the tube, will cost you $100 plus shipping (I know from experience). Nikon has a no fault warranty and you pay $10 or something like that, last I heard. Could always go with Vortex and they cover their product whether it breaks or you break it or run it over.
As for the whole "Made in USA" claim, it is more like "assembled in USA" as most of their parts comes from overseas if not completely made in China. Not the case with everything, but a lot.
Currently run a VX3 on my rifle (though not a huge Leupie fan). Have had great experience with Nikons. Hard to go wrong either way really.
Post by: ML_Hunter on July 22, 2010, 12:27:44 AM
Everything that I have sent to Leupold they covered on there dime, but I've only sent one scope for a ruptured seal and one binos for it simply stopped adjusting. The scope was repaired and back on my rifle in less than a week, the bino's were replaced at no charge to me for actually a much nicer pair. That's been my experience with both companies that stated; sxs comparison I still think that Nikon is the better bang for you buck.
Have I ever been charged by Leupold, No, Have I seen and heard of folks who have, YES. One guy was charged over $200 for replacement of the objective lens after it cracked on him (have no clue as too how he did so, them are some tough lenses to crack!) and a customer of mine was charged half the value of a scope to have it replaced for the item was DESTROYED beyond repair...I think he must have ran over it with a semi truck or something...I saw the pics, and the scope looked horrible!
So yes, Leupold will charge you for different things and my second example my be a duh but he was charged for a repair/replacement.
Again don't get me wrong, I LOVE both scopes, and if I had the $$$ Leupold has a few nicer scopes I'd love to own, but for the cost of a new scope IMO the Nikon is a better buy. :twocents:
Post by: ML_Hunter on July 22, 2010, 12:28:51 AM
BTW...Ford!! :rolleyes:
Post by: wastickslinger on July 22, 2010, 08:36:02 AM
This is almost as fun as asking Ford or Chevy.
BTW...Ford!! :rolleyes:
:chuckle: Dodge
Post by: wsucowboy on July 22, 2010, 09:50:20 AM
This is almost as fun as asking Ford or Chevy.Ford all the way! :brew:
BTW...Ford!! :rolleyes:
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Post by: addicted on July 28, 2010, 07:27:48 AM
have not compared the two since but when i do buy another rifle will definately look at all options again.....would rather buy on performance than a brand name
if i had to choose one of the two, it would be the family's 4th nikon with zero problems and multiple dead animals.
there are other brands in that price range though......brands that i would probaby choose over nikon or leupy.
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Post by: addicted on August 04, 2010, 01:26:13 AM
ofcourse there is the once in a blue moon 35 year old zeiss that gets adjusted past its limits or a loose eyecup on a pair of binos but in general, really amazing product.
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Post by: Bofire on August 11, 2010, 01:33:12 PM
My experience is when out hunting, EVERYTIME a guy says "this scope is just as good as a leupold" we look thru each others scopes and EVERYTIME the Leupold is superior.
Bottom line is: Nikon does not support our hobby 100% like Leupold does!!!
thanks Rasbo
Carl
Post by: Young Buck on August 11, 2010, 03:57:38 PM
Post by: ML_Hunter on August 11, 2010, 11:01:44 PM
Who voted for Others?? What scopes did you guys have in mind? :dunno:
Post by: Gutpile on August 12, 2010, 05:26:32 AM
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What scopes did you guys have in mind?
I have several Bushnell Elites.
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Post by: ML_Hunter on August 12, 2010, 10:10:49 PM
got a pair of 10x42 leupold cascades a few years back good glasses for under 400 but i did look through a buddy's swaravski's and i heard church music and animals come out of hiding just to stand in front of them they're that good but thats more in the 1400 dallar brackett
Well, then maybe I need to get a Swaravski scope so that animals will stand in front of my cross hairs :chuckle:
They make some really nice optics and so does Zeist, but...I just dont have that kind of money ;)
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Post by: robmill70 on September 10, 2010, 03:09:07 PM
For the $$$ it's hard to beat nikon.
Post by: Bscman on September 10, 2010, 03:38:22 PM
I still can't understand why they have scopes in the $400+ range that still have 2pc. tubes...but I shouldn't complain much, as they work A-Okay.
I bought my first Nikon a few months ago. It's a Monarch 4-16x40 with Side Focus.
One of the big perks for me was the abilitly to LOCK the side focus knob so you can set the focus and not worry about it adjusting when hunting. I can count a few times my VX-II 4-14x40 A/O has rotated to 25yds or up to Infinity while hiking around. Not a huge issue, but a minor annoyance.
The ONLY reason I went Nikon this time was because I practically STOLE the scope through an online retailer for $300 shipped...when it's $430ish most places. I couldn't find anything comprable from Leupold for the price.
My only complaint with the Nikon is that it has a pretty anemic range of adjustment.
Not a big deal for 99% of shooters, but you won't get a lot of MOA if you like to shoot a LONG ways out.
For me, I'll vote Leupold...but I wouldn't discount the upper end Nikons for a great price.
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Post by: thinkingman on September 29, 2010, 10:54:42 AM
Your money?...Leupold.
My money?...Nikon or Burris.
Enjoy sending that Leupy back for that legendary turnaround replacement....
Post by: grundy53 on September 29, 2010, 05:04:45 PM
Post by: Bofire on September 29, 2010, 05:34:43 PM
Nikon has pulled support on coyote hunts due to media pressure, I will not own one.
Carl
Post by: Gutpile on September 30, 2010, 06:29:50 PM
:)
Nikon has pulled support on coyote hunts due to media pressure, I will not own one.
Carl
Me too. They don't want to upset the bird watchers.
Post by: ML_Hunter on September 30, 2010, 10:56:58 PM
Same answer as always.....:yeah:
Your money?...Leupold.
My money?...Nikon or Burris.
Enjoy sending that Leupy back for that legendary turnaround replacement....
nicely put thinkingman!! ;)
Post by: KimberRich on October 07, 2010, 12:38:04 PM
:)
Nikon has pulled support on coyote hunts due to media pressure, I will not own one.
Carl
Me too. They don't want to upset the bird watchers.
That's funny you say bird watchers.. A couple years back near Brewster, some buddies and I were coyote hunting and hiking out of a draw where we had gotten one, and at the head of the trail there was a group of bird watchers and they were floored and disgusted that we had shot a cute innocent little dog.
Post by: Vanguard30-06 on October 13, 2010, 01:47:45 PM
Post by: BlackRidge on October 13, 2010, 01:54:43 PM
:)
Nikon has pulled support on coyote hunts due to media pressure, I will not own one.
Carl
Me too. They don't want to upset the bird watchers.
That's funny you say bird watchers.. A couple years back near Brewster, some buddies and I were coyote hunting and hiking out of a draw where we had gotten one, and at the head of the trail there was a group of bird watchers and they were floored and disgusted that we had shot a cute innocent little dog.
:chuckle: The best type of audience
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 13, 2010, 02:37:46 PM
:)
Nikon has pulled support on coyote hunts due to media pressure, I will not own one.
Carl
Me too. They don't want to upset the bird watchers.
That's funny you say bird watchers.. A couple years back near Brewster, some buddies and I were coyote hunting and hiking out of a draw where we had gotten one, and at the head of the trail there was a group of bird watchers and they were floored and disgusted that we had shot a cute innocent little dog.
Didn't you tell them how many birds you had just saved...? :chuckle:
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Post by: ML_Hunter on October 29, 2010, 04:51:22 PM
:chuckle: Thats awesome!!:)
Nikon has pulled support on coyote hunts due to media pressure, I will not own one.
Carl
Me too. They don't want to upset the bird watchers.
That's funny you say bird watchers.. A couple years back near Brewster, some buddies and I were coyote hunting and hiking out of a draw where we had gotten one, and at the head of the trail there was a group of bird watchers and they were floored and disgusted that we had shot a cute innocent little dog.
Didn't you tell them how many birds you had just saved...? :chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on October 29, 2010, 05:07:36 PM
Post by: Bofire on October 29, 2010, 07:08:55 PM
WTF?
Carl
Rasbo do you get it?
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