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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Recurve-Elk on July 15, 2010, 10:43:46 AM

Title: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 15, 2010, 10:43:46 AM: So In this test, I was shooting a 125g magnus standard 2 blade. Out of my 57lb Martin Hunter recurve. Total arrow weight was 590 grains.

I did two tests, the first clip I intended to imitate a shoulder shot. Material used was 5 ply half inch ply wood. The arrow Did not completely break through, the broadhead ended up sticking just over an inch out of the wood. (I expected results similar to this)

Second clip, I intended to imitate a broadside shot with ribs. Material was quarter inch thick solid wood molding/edging. The broadhead broke through the wood, and penetrated about 11 inches into the target.

Over all. I am not 100% impressed with the penetration. Do you guys think this is sufficient for taking elk? (no shoulder shots obviously.) Keep in mind the broadhead was not razor sharp. I shot it into wood a few times before I took the videos.

However, I was impressed with the integrity of the broadhead. After a good 10-11 shot through various pieces of wood, the broadhead was still in very good shape. No bending. With a little sharpening, the blades would be as good as new!
(http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u7/snowboardernitro/?action=view&current=Magnus2Blade.mp4)
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: boneaddict on July 15, 2010, 10:55:36 AM: Pretty decent. I stuck one (not on purpose) through the shoulder blade of my last big bull and had enough to get one lung. They are VERY solid heads and can take a beating. I was looking for one of my shots last night and found two old arrows out in the scruff with heads intact, one from last year and one from the year before and they look damn near perfect. Hit it with a stone and they'd be good to go.
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Ray on July 15, 2010, 10:56:00 AM: Not an elk but this critter was shot with one magnus stinger and one magnus II. The magnus II is the one in the photo. I would get within 25 yards and make an accurate shot.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/MGalleryItem.php?id=9590 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/MGalleryItem.php?id=9590)
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Hornseeker on July 15, 2010, 11:15:09 AM: That setup will do you JUST FINE RC.... period. Just get the broadhead razor sharp. That head has killed too many elk and deer to even think about it not being sufficient. And your arrow weight is fantastic...
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: WSU on July 15, 2010, 11:31:17 AM: Given that these Magnus heads penatrate better than most of the other popular elk heads, why doesn't everyone use them (myself included)? There must be a reason....
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: boneaddict on July 15, 2010, 11:37:04 AM: A sidenote..... I killed 3 muley bucks and an elk with the same arrow and head. Finally lost it this fall with a pass through into some of that fine mountain shale. (buried it I guess.)
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on July 15, 2010, 09:47:01 PM: Recurve Elk, I think it would be totally sufficient, but also goes to show that even with heavy arrows, and a 2 blade, it is tough to penetrate bone, further showing that shot placement is always key. I met a guy that gets an elk almost every year, shooting a 47lb recurve and a 600 grain arrow w/2 blade of some sort. He says he just waits till they are close (usually within 10 yards). I don't know how he does it (he says he doesn't call them, just sneaks into their paths and waits in the brush). I believe his tactics work for him, he appears to be not in the best shape, so the waiting tactics make sense for him.

After I get a few under the belt with the compound, I'm switching to my recurve. I get them close enough each year, but never manage to get a shot off with the compound, too complicated some times!!! :'( 7 more weeks till the season, yes!!!!
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: letmhunt on July 15, 2010, 09:51:20 PM: 2 blades ROCK! :rockin:killed lots of elk with them!
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Elknut1 on July 16, 2010, 05:33:09 AM: No problem sir! I shoot a 56# pull on a longbow with 495grn arrows with a 3-blade Magnus SnufferSS in 125grn. A 3-blade generally offers a bit more resistance but when razor sharp will penetrate with little issues, I hand sharpen every head before use, you'll want to do the same! Here's some results with this setup!

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Elknut1 on July 16, 2010, 05:34:43 AM: Here's another!

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Elknut1 on July 16, 2010, 05:38:43 AM: Here's another.

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: boneaddict on July 16, 2010, 05:41:13 AM: Great additions elknut.
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Elknut1 on July 16, 2010, 05:41:59 AM: This bull was taken with a 2 blade with bleeders Zephyr Sirocco head, similar to the magnus head you tested, so yes you will do just fine with your "tuned" setup!

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: boneaddict on July 16, 2010, 05:47:01 AM: What kind of shafts are you shooting Paul?
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Elknut1 on July 16, 2010, 05:52:27 AM: Doug, thanks! We've shot all sorts of shafts actually. My son uses cedars with glue on tips, his arrow wt. is 515grn

The 1st bull was with 2216 aluminum's. The 2nd bull was 2018 aluminum's. The 3rd was beman classics carbons 500 spine with a 75grn brass insert & the 125 grn head.

What heads are you using Doug?

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: boneaddict on July 16, 2010, 06:09:00 AM: The Magnus two blade 125's. WIth the GT trads carbon 5575s full length. I think I am shooting a bit light. I haven't tried any inserts but was contemplating getting a new batch of arrows this morning and trying them. I haven't done the math or weighed them, but instinct is telling me they are too light. :)
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: boneaddict on July 16, 2010, 06:12:43 AM: I lied, I got 4 bucks with the same head. This was number three I believe.....
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2Fbroadfoot.jpg&hash=e03ebb13fca08b253cd98697e96ed1d86210874b)
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Elknut1 on July 16, 2010, 06:24:39 AM: Nice work on the deer! Your setup is aprox 425grn. Works well on deer! (grin)

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: boneaddict on July 16, 2010, 06:37:09 AM: I'd like to at least hit the 500 mark, so I'll give those inserts a try. I wonder how much that will change where I am shooting.
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 16, 2010, 07:39:53 AM: Hey if you want your arrow weight up, you might try weight tubes. They don't seem to work for everyone, but they did the trick for me. I started with the 3 grain per inch ones, (got my arrow to 525g) then I went to the 5 grain per inch when I got a heavier bow. Now my arrow weight sits around 575-580. Three rivers sells them.

Here is a link if you care to take a look.

http://www.3riversarchery.com/product.asp?i=6731X (http://www.3riversarchery.com/product.asp?i=6731X)
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Recurve-Elk on July 16, 2010, 07:44:32 AM: Thanks for all the reassurance guys! Elknut, those are some beautiful animals you guys got there!
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: ribka on July 16, 2010, 07:54:41 AM: You cannot beat beat snuffers or magnus heads. I have taken tons of deer, cariboo, bear and a few elk with them. I have never busted through an elk shoulder but have shot thru quite a few wt deer shoulders ( Not intentional) Head always held up. Shooting heavy birch arrows, aluminum ( 2219) with 60 lb recurve and long bow. I always touch them up and can get scary sharp. Plus they fly great with no tuning

Try shooting into a piece of wood or hit a rock with an expandable head. Let the bashing begin :chuckle:

Some great elk there elknut
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: boneaddict on July 16, 2010, 08:06:00 AM: I agree Ribka. I think they may even have a guarantee on them, but then again I don't know becasue I've never had to worry about it.

Thanks for the link Recurve.
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: hillbilli on July 25, 2010, 05:41:04 PM: The only elk i've shot was with the 2 blade 100 gr magnus, arrow weight about 375gr (carbon) from a compound 65lb. behind the shoulder, but quartering towards- not the best placement. penetration 18" plus-elk went 100 yds and laid down- total distance traveled about 200yds. so no problem with penetartion, even with the light arrow.
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: coxral on July 26, 2010, 11:45:58 AM: Cow elk with 2 Blade 100 grn Stinger @ 40 yds, almost broadside. 65 lbs (compound), 410 grns total arrow weight. Right behind right shoulder with a COMPLETE pass through, ran approx. 50 yds and dropped. Both lungs and pump station! Buddy, from same stand 2 days later and same time 6:30 a.m.!, with 100 grn Stinger and bigger cow that ran approx 50 yds and down!!! YES! They work on Elk!
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2010, 12:10:02 PM: great heads for sure and yes magnus does have a lifetime guarantee, but never had to worry about that with the ones we have used :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Magnus 2 Blade Penetration Test
Post by: Machias on July 26, 2010, 08:14:59 PM: Nice bulls Elknut1, what kind of longbow you shooting?