Post by: SkookumHntr on March 08, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on March 08, 2008, 10:50:17 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 08, 2008, 10:51:20 AM
Post by: Curly on March 08, 2008, 10:53:48 AM
Post by: CJ-5 on March 08, 2008, 11:00:02 AM
Post by: Cougeyes on March 08, 2008, 11:22:16 AM
Post by: Bearhunter on March 08, 2008, 11:39:11 AM
Post by: Antlershed on March 08, 2008, 11:46:57 AM
Post by: Wea300mag on March 08, 2008, 12:06:21 PM
I really wanted the Nooksack tag last year, I don't think that area will be able to repeat last years performance since so many hogs were taken.
Post by: Cascade on March 08, 2008, 12:07:06 PM
Post by: boneaddict on March 08, 2008, 12:09:48 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on March 08, 2008, 12:12:15 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 08, 2008, 12:17:15 PM
Post by: Cougeyes on March 08, 2008, 12:18:31 PM
Max points for me, but I never get drawn for anything.Is there even a thing as max points? I thought there used to be, but after seeing you guys with 11 and 13 points (sorry you haven't been drawn yet) is there a thing as max points?
Post by: boneaddict on March 08, 2008, 12:20:29 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on March 08, 2008, 12:34:02 PM
No Nooksack hunt, that wouldn't surprise me, all those permits plus raffle and governor tags, not to mention all the Native permits they gave out. Our wildlife managers suck.
Post by: Wea300mag on March 08, 2008, 12:36:41 PM
Don't EVEN go there 300. ;)
I figured I would take a little heat for that comment.
Post by: huntnphool on March 08, 2008, 01:13:46 PM
Post by: boneaddict on March 08, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
Post by: Antlershed on March 08, 2008, 01:22:25 PM
Post by: boneaddict on March 08, 2008, 01:28:16 PM
Post by: shanevg on March 08, 2008, 02:28:55 PM
Post by: M_ray on March 08, 2008, 02:57:52 PM
My Little Naches Bull 07.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi241.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff122%2Fmray30%2FPA020435.jpg&hash=9c6b5f93c6fa59774e1c2df5cb35ce8398a7841a)
Post by: Brushbuster on March 08, 2008, 03:38:36 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on March 08, 2008, 04:14:02 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 08, 2008, 05:24:36 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2008, 05:30:23 PM
Post by: Craig on March 08, 2008, 05:43:22 PM
Post by: M_ray on March 08, 2008, 06:12:39 PM
O for me but have drawn 2 Bull tags since the beginning of the lottery. Had success on the 1st & ate the tag last year. Maybe if I would stop bumping into M-ray on my hunts I'd have a little more luck. Got an elk tag for Wyoming this year so we'll see how that goes. :guns:
Brushbuster where did I run into you?
Post by: Wea300mag on March 08, 2008, 06:16:14 PM
Wow 300, I have been drawn 3 times for Toutle archery bull, what are you putting in for?
Last year I had Nooksack as my first choice but prior to that I had the Watershed (Blue Mtns) as my first choice. The Watershed has decent odds but I just never had any luck.
Post by: Opportunist on March 08, 2008, 06:40:25 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 08, 2008, 06:58:27 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 08, 2008, 07:11:25 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on March 08, 2008, 07:14:44 PM
Post by: 280ackley on March 08, 2008, 07:45:08 PM
Post by: Bookworm on March 08, 2008, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: MooseStock on March 08, 2008, 08:43:14 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 08, 2008, 08:45:32 PM
you get the idea.
i don't know how many years it has actually been going for, but seems that 13 years is a popular #
Post by: bobcat on March 08, 2008, 08:50:45 PM
Post by: MooseStock on March 08, 2008, 08:54:49 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 08, 2008, 09:02:34 PM
Post by: MooseStock on March 08, 2008, 09:15:49 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 08, 2008, 09:25:20 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on March 08, 2008, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: Cougeyes on March 08, 2008, 10:23:15 PM
I have 7 points for elk, I only put in for Peaches Ridge and Teanaway, i live between both units, both are great units so those that are putting in if you dont know a whole lot about those areas there are some quality bulls as several people on here can contest to.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 09, 2008, 08:15:48 AM
Post by: Kent Hunter on March 09, 2008, 12:56:51 PM
Post by: M_ray on March 09, 2008, 08:49:33 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on March 09, 2008, 09:25:32 PM
Post by: nwhunter on March 09, 2008, 09:45:24 PM
Post by: hogsniper on March 09, 2008, 09:45:41 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on March 09, 2008, 09:54:45 PM
I drew last year so went from nine to zip then back up to five with a poaching case that went through this winter. Could only hope to draw back to back!! I would almost feel guilty. nwhunter
I thought you get 10 bonus points for turning in a poacher? How come you got only five?
Post by: M_ray on March 09, 2008, 09:56:27 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 09, 2008, 09:57:14 PM
Post by: Cougeyes on March 09, 2008, 10:22:46 PM
Post by: groundhog on March 10, 2008, 06:16:33 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 10, 2008, 06:20:32 AM
Post by: Cougeyes on March 10, 2008, 06:56:15 AM
Coug did you get anything with those Peaces Ridge tag?Yeah we both filled our tags on opening day, shot two bulls from the same herd. Mine was a size 6 point, i'll take a picture later and post it of the european mount and my dad shot a 340 class 6 point, i'm pretty sure that's what it scored, we took it to the Yakima sportsman show in 2002 and i thought it was like 343, but again I dont remember if that was the gross or net score, but doesn't matter to us anyways. I dont have any digital picture of it, but may have one scanned somewhere on here i'll look later.
Post by: CJ-5 on March 10, 2008, 09:19:22 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 10, 2008, 09:48:38 AM
Post by: saylean on March 10, 2008, 02:19:47 PM
Cheers,
D~
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 10, 2008, 02:33:03 PM
As long as you applied last year it will tell you how many points you have otherwise you have to call WDFW.
Post by: saylean on March 10, 2008, 02:34:29 PM
;)
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on March 10, 2008, 11:13:59 PM
I still dont think its enough, I hunt eastern washington rifle. Any thoughts on the hunts you would put in for. Keep in mind i like the whole area between i-90 and 410, what hunts would you put in for. besides the hunt goin on when all the spike hunters are out.
Post by: bobcat on March 11, 2008, 07:35:14 PM
I have 7
I still dont think its enough, I hunt eastern washington rifle. Any thoughts on the hunts you would put in for. Keep in mind i like the whole area between i-90 and 410, what hunts would you put in for. besides the hunt goin on when all the spike hunters are out.
Seven is plenty. Heck you can draw a permit with no points. Doesn't matter. It's all luck. But 7 poinst will help stack the odds in your favor. That's 64 chances you'll have in this year's drawing, compared to those with no points having only 1 chance.
Post by: MooseStock on March 11, 2008, 08:44:32 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 11, 2008, 09:36:35 PM
I used to think the same way you're thinking until somebody (I think it was a guy on this board) explained to me how it really worked. With 7 points going into the drawing, you get 1 point added to that when you apply, which makes 8 points and that is what is squared and used to determine how many chances you get in the drawing. At first I thought the guy telling me that was crazy, but finally he was able to convince me (and a whole lot of other people.) If you think about it, it makes sense. Think of how it would work for somebody with zero points. Zero squared is zero. But I always thought ok, well, with zero points you must get just one chance. But then the next year with 1 point, you would still get only 1 chance because 1 squared is 1. That wouldn't be fair for a person going into the draw with no points having the same odds as somebody with 1 point. So the thing is you can't have zero points. You always start out with 1. The second year applying you have 2 points, for 4 chances. I hope that makes sense.
Post by: bowhuntin on March 11, 2008, 09:44:17 PM
Post by: Cougeyes on March 12, 2008, 08:51:22 PM
Well congrats Coug!! Sounds like a couple nice bulls you got there. Love to see the pics. Thanks.Here's the link to the pictures you wanted to see. Been 7 years already, i'm due to draw again one of these years. I'd rather draw a buck tag though.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,977.15.html
Post by: andrew_12gauge on March 12, 2008, 09:58:28 PM
Post by: bucklucky on March 13, 2008, 05:51:59 PM
Post by: Antlershed on March 13, 2008, 07:06:36 PM
I have 6 points right now but with the move to idaho i dont think theyll ever be used, kinda sucks to think about all the moose goat and sheep points im gonna let go to waste too, but ill probably keep applying for deer till i burn up my points, just not quite as time consuming as elk huntingExactly my situation with moving to Oregon. Oh well, I will start the process over down there. Much better hunting down there anyway, and it seems like they know how to manage. :)
Post by: Falcon on March 13, 2008, 08:07:51 PM
I am ready for a Quinault bull tag !!!!!!!!!
Post by: andrew_12gauge on March 13, 2008, 08:51:53 PM
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Exactly my situation with moving to Oregon. Oh well, I will start the process over down there. Much better hunting down there anyway, and it seems like they know how to manage. :)
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Well i guess idaho has some good elk hunting too so im kinda excited about that, and much better odds on all the once in a lifetime trophy species, there are units with about a 10 percent chance of drawing on goat and sheep, still havent figured out how the odds are better than pronghorn yet. oh and i might be able to hunt wolves down here too(fingers crossed) thats a plus
Post by: CJ-5 on March 14, 2008, 09:23:19 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 14, 2008, 09:59:05 AM
Post by: ramslam on March 14, 2008, 02:57:26 PM
7 x 7 PLUS one for the current application = 50.
So someone without points would have 0 x 0 = 0 PLUS one = one number.
Thats my interpretation.
Post by: CJ-5 on March 14, 2008, 03:16:08 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on March 14, 2008, 04:08:50 PM
Back on the squaring of points, I believe he would have 50 chances not 64.
7 x 7 PLUS one for the current application = 50.
So someone without points would have 0 x 0 = 0 PLUS one = one number.
Thats my interpretation.
That way makes sense to, but now I am confused of which way is correct, the way bobcat explained it or your way. What does it say in the regulations?
Post by: rackattack on March 14, 2008, 04:24:48 PM
Example- New Person with no points--(0+1)=1, 1x1=1 chance in the drawing
Person with 1 point---------(1+1)=2, 2x2=4 chances in the drawing
Person with 10 points-------(10+1)=11, 11x11=121 chances in the drawing.
Hope this helps with the confusion.
Post by: Red Dawg on March 14, 2008, 04:31:30 PM
Post by: rackattack on March 14, 2008, 04:36:05 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on March 14, 2008, 04:37:24 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 14, 2008, 04:38:36 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on March 14, 2008, 04:41:03 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 14, 2008, 04:43:55 PM
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10 for me.
I am ready for a Quinault bull tag !!!!!!!!!
Not quite that easy. I know some guys with max points that are not getting drawn for that hunt. Most of the guys getting it are in the 20 point area.
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Ya i know you cant hunt the park. I meant if you can get them to cross the park boundary into ground you can hunt. That happened to us a couple years ago, bad feeling!
The hard part is actually finding land that is not private along the park. Trust me, it won't be but a few years and the locals will lock up what is left of the river access.
The other problem is the Park Service wants to change the boundary so that you can not hunt North of the South Shore rd. Then the only real areas to hunt will be behind the old stone cabins an the old Rayonier unit which both belong to Lutz & Carlson so there will be a fee.
Post by: YellowDog on March 14, 2008, 04:56:29 PM
Q: What if I apply in a group and we have a different number of points built up? Whose points are used?
A: On group applications, the points of all of the applicants are averaged and the average is used in the drawing for that application. If the first group member has two points and the second one has six, then four points are used for the drawing. If the first member has one point, the second member has two, and a third member has four, then two points are used in the drawing for that application. The averaged points are rounded to the nearest whole number.
Q: What happens if a group application comes up and there are fewer permits left than there are members in the group?
A: If there are fewer permits left for a hunt than there are members in a group whose application is drawn, none of the applicants on that application are awarded a permit. The drawing continues until either an Individual Application or a Group Application with fewer members is drawn for that hunt. This is the way it was done when the drawing was actually done using barrels and cards. It is not possible to award more permits for a hunt than what is allowed by the Fish and Wildlife Commission.
Most of this stuff is easy to find on the WDFW website.
I am amazed at how many people must have 20 points (I guess for turning in poachers) when max points is 12-13.
10 points should give you pretty good odds but everyone in the hat has a chance so its no guarantee.
Post by: actionshooter on March 14, 2008, 05:19:01 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 14, 2008, 05:34:05 PM
Bottom line is there are so many people with 12-13 points (years), that your odds are better, but still not good.
Yep, then the odd one gets drawn with only a couple just to keep it interesting.
Post by: ramslam on March 14, 2008, 06:06:46 PM
Sorry for the confusion.