Post by: MasterTracker on March 09, 2008, 03:39:20 AM
Note the current state record is from this same county and acording to Jacob this bear was killed not to far from his and I told him it might be from the same blood line. Here's the current record bear #1. 21 10/16 Chelan County 1999. This information link can be seen at www.nwbiggame.com
This is from a email he sent me about the bear...
when I spotted the bear, he 682 yards from the front porch, and I shot him at about 550. The area that I got him in, is scatterd timber, little canyons that border fruit trees, that is backed by rugged mountains, were who knows whats in there. I really didn't know how big he was until I got to him. Jacob...
The weapon he used was a .300 Rem Ultra Mag, 180gr scirocco. He said the bear live weight was about 550 pounds and dressed out at over 430 pounds.
Picture 1 him and the bear
Picture 2 him and the record bear
picture 3 him on a logging road in gmu 251
Picture 4 him and a doe and the area were he shot his bear NOTE it was 682 yards behind the house on a on hill that the bear was taken.
I taped the bear close to 24 inches and the World Record Black Bear is 23 10/16 according to Boone and Crockett Club. so we got to wait and see what happens!.
Post by: Bearhunter on March 09, 2008, 05:54:47 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 09, 2008, 06:13:56 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 09, 2008, 06:39:12 AM
Why hasn't it been scored officially yet?
Post by: boneaddict on March 09, 2008, 08:53:19 AM
Post by: Armadillo on March 09, 2008, 08:59:19 AM
Post by: Bearhunter on March 09, 2008, 09:07:02 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 09, 2008, 09:19:43 AM
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a guy that worked with me that I showed the spot decided to go up with out me which was not part of the agreement, needless to say he ended up killing the bear a week later.
That'll teach ya. :chuckle:
Post by: bearhunter59 on March 09, 2008, 09:28:58 AM
Post by: Slider on March 09, 2008, 09:31:21 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 09, 2008, 10:04:55 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 09, 2008, 10:07:10 AM
Post by: Dman on March 09, 2008, 11:08:44 AM
Let's see a quad backed up to a closed gate... :bash:....gee, he didn't use that quad on that closed road, did he???You might not want to post that picture... :dunno:....LOL first thought popped into my head.
Post by: rainshadow1 on March 09, 2008, 12:10:17 PM
The DNR closed roads here allow anything that can get past the gates to use the roads. Don't know the status or authority of that road, but here, if you can drive around it or under it with a quad or a bike, then you can run State roads unless they're specifically posted.
Not Fed, or Private, but State is ok.
Post by: Dman on March 09, 2008, 12:16:14 PM
Great Bear!
The DNR closed roads here allow anything that can get past the gates to use the roads. Don't know the status or authority of that road, but here, if you can drive around it or under it with a quad or a bike, then you can run State roads unless they're specifically posted.
Not Fed, or Private, but State is ok.
I'm assuming your speaking only for Olypen? In KingCo, all DNR gated roads are closed to vehicles and usually it states that on the gate itself, as are DNR roads in a lot of EWa, particularly the large wildlife areas that contain DNR lands.
Post by: ICEMAN on March 09, 2008, 12:52:22 PM
The DNR closed roads here allow anything that can get past the gates to use the roads. ... if you can drive around it or under it with a quad or a bike, then you can run State roads unless they're specifically posted.
Can I ask how you learned this information?
It would seem that they would place signage and a single metal post or two in the middle of the road if this was the case. I have never heard of this principal, for state land...
Post by: billythekidrock on March 09, 2008, 02:26:24 PM
Post by: Bearhunter on March 09, 2008, 02:43:13 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on March 09, 2008, 03:53:09 PM
Post by: Head-shot on March 09, 2008, 04:10:52 PM
more than likely it is a pic of his new toy so i am not going to jump to any conclusions. Besides i am not the gate police anyway. Looks like a very nice bear I hope that it is all that you are bragging about. Cant wait until i hear the final score.Well said, X2
Post by: Dman on March 09, 2008, 05:09:38 PM
who knows if he even used to 4 wheeler to recover the bear, and how do you all know if he can or cant drive around gates in the area the picture was taken. Give the guy the benifit of the doubt, we havent even heard from him yet. :)I don't think anyone was questioning the hunter, just asking for clarification since the poster felt like posting this information, people will ask questions. In my experience, a closed gate of any kind was meant to keep vehicles out, I'm not sure of any other reason to have a gate unless it was a cattle gate, in which case, the DNR uses barbed wire gates for that. It is a great bear, but unless we hear from the hunter I guess we'll never know the full story of how it was taken. Again, that wouldn't necessarily be important, other than the fact that is was said he spotted the bear and shot it not far off his porch, then apparently took a 4 wheeler to a DNR/ forest service road gate? Just analyzing the fact's given. Perhaps it is a private gated road? Great bear, wish we could hear from the hunter.
Post by: Bob Williams on March 09, 2008, 07:33:56 PM
Right on brother great bear and great story from the master.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 09, 2008, 07:40:16 PM
Post by: tmike on March 09, 2008, 08:04:27 PM
Post by: Ray on March 09, 2008, 08:12:42 PM
Post by: Lowedog on March 09, 2008, 08:27:30 PM
Nice bear! I happen to know the current state record holder. It would be interesting to hear the age of Jacob's bear. I believe the current record was something like 19yrs.!
-Lowedog
Post by: Dman on March 09, 2008, 08:31:21 PM
That's a great bear! As far as the quad, there's nothing wrong with a quad on a trailer. That's like saying " There's a car in the picture, I hope he didn't shoot it out of the window." Give him a break unless there's something blatantly illegal in the photo.
OK, nough's enough. I know that gate, I've hunted there and yes it is off limits to quads and I further do not think that someone would drag a quad 20 miles up a winding highway to a USFS gate, BACK up a quad trailer to sit and pose with a quad for a photo session, give some credit for having a brain. I do however think that folks that would blast away at deer with a .22 caliber from 135 yds. would also drive a quad out of bounds. Until the hunter comes on and explains the hunt and photos for himself I pretty much don't put any credence in 2nd hand information on a new world record, or much else with this post.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 09, 2008, 08:36:46 PM
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I believe the current record was something like 19yrs.!
Is that the bears age or the lenght of current record?
Post by: Red Dawg on March 09, 2008, 08:39:14 PM
Post by: rainshadow1 on March 09, 2008, 08:42:58 PM
I emailed the local DNR office and asked about some recent closures on a certain network of roads. The local head guy e-mailed back and said I was free to walk or cycle it, but to be aware that there would be motorcycles and quads and etc in there because it wasn't closed to them. They had closed the gates to keep people from stealing timber. He very specifically told me it was open to ATV's and Motorcycles, and said it would be posted closed if it was.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 09, 2008, 08:48:04 PM
Iceman,
I emailed the local DNR office and asked about some recent closures on a certain network of roads. The local head guy e-mailed back and said I was free to walk or cycle it, but to be aware that there would be motorcycles and quads and etc in there because it wasn't closed to them. They had closed the gates to keep people from stealing timber. He very specifically told me it was open to ATV's and Motorcycles, and said it would be posted closed if it was.
This is especially true in areas (DNR) that have alot of trails that cross roads.
Post by: ICEMAN on March 09, 2008, 09:33:36 PM
As for the bear, what a hog!
As for the people shooting deer with "two fatal" shots (?) with a 22 caliber rifle, which is illegal in this state, they may want to get their priorities straight. I would not be bragging about shoting deer illegally and taking ducks out of season on this site. Maybe the moderators can take this cause up. This crap makes us all look bad.
We have all made bad decisions in our hunting lives. I have. I am not proud of anything I have done wrong, or by accident not knowing game laws perfectly. But, I have learned from them, not made excuses, or tried to explain them away, and especially not bragged about them later.
Post by: Lincoln4 on March 09, 2008, 10:04:57 PM
As for the people shooting deer with "two fatal" shots (?) with a 22 caliber rifle, which is illegal in this state, they may want to get their priorities straight. I would not be bragging about shoting deer illegally and taking ducks out of season on this site. Maybe the moderators can take this cause up. This crap makes us all look bad.
We have all made bad decisions in our hunting lives. I have. I am not proud of anything I have done wrong, or by accident not knowing game laws perfectly. But, I have learned from them, not made excuses, or tried to explain them away, and especially not bragged about them later.
Nicely said...
Post by: M_ray on March 09, 2008, 10:15:17 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on March 09, 2008, 10:51:01 PM
Post by: MasterTracker on March 09, 2008, 11:23:18 PM
sorry about that people so about that gate. that gate is on private property and the hill off to the right is where the bear was killed. and below the hill is the orchard and if you look to the top far left corner of the gate you can see something that looks like a house well that is a house. and as far as it getting scored he's not a horn hunter so it wasnt that big of a deal to him. so i jumped on his ass to get it scored hey are there any people on here that can do it? where does he need to take it to and what information does he need? and also about the gates there are alot of gates up top and there thair to keep high school kids from leavenworth and cashmere out.. to many damn kegers/bonfires!!!
Post by: MountainWalk on March 09, 2008, 11:28:49 PM
Post by: saylean on March 09, 2008, 11:48:13 PM
Cheers~
Post by: ICEMAN on March 10, 2008, 06:01:33 AM
Oh, hell, never mind.
You are right, you truly are the Master Tracker.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 10, 2008, 06:06:36 AM
Master Tracker - I think you are not gettting the point.
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Hey ICEMAN who even said i shot it in this state? or even this country! Hey man looks like you got something towards me your always talking crap!!!
He is trying to tell you to smarten up. Unethical things happen, but they don't need to be brought up on a continuous basis. So far the tally seems to be 1. a duck in the high country, 2. shooting a deer with a .22. These things also seem to have been done deliberately, and you brought them up in a public forum and the general consensus is that something is fishy. You might want to rethink before you post.
Post by: MountainWalk on March 10, 2008, 07:44:35 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2008, 08:32:59 AM
Post by: Intruder on March 10, 2008, 09:19:32 AM
am i the only one who thinks that a 550 yard shot on bears is kind of an irresponsible thing to do??? even with the best of hardware,, bears dont bleed a whole lot.. coupled with the fact that at that range, with no pal to spot him,,it would be impossible to read the hit because the recoil would throw you off for a sec.....well if he accidently killed a bear at that range,,, bully for him,, i would ask him why he did not get closer... bears arent THAT hard to stalk....
It totally depends on the person behind the weapon, the weapon, and the conditions. As a "general" rule, yes 550 is probably too long a shot. But by no means can you throw a blanket over it and state that shooting at an animal at that distance is unethical/irresponsible.
Post by: Armadillo on March 10, 2008, 09:29:12 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on March 10, 2008, 09:34:33 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 10, 2008, 01:10:55 PM
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It totally depends on the person behind the weapon, the weapon, and the conditions. As a "general" rule, yes 550 is probably too long a shot. But by no means can you throw a blanket over it and state that shooting at an animal at that distance is unethical/irresponsible
I agree that it depends on the person, the weapon and conditions, but I do think you can throw a general blanket statement that it is irresponsible. It is a shot that should only be made by a handful of hunters under ideal conditions.
Post by: Dman on March 10, 2008, 01:29:29 PM
QuoteIt totally depends on the person behind the weapon, the weapon, and the conditions. As a "general" rule, yes 550 is probably too long a shot. But by no means can you throw a blanket over it and state that shooting at an animal at that distance is unethical/irresponsible
I totally agree with BTKR. This year in Montana, I was presented with easily the longest shot ever at what would have easily been my nicest muley ever @ 400yds. It was in the heavy snow and low clouds with wind and I opted to pass, don't regret it at all. I would have been concerned about trying it even in fair weather, though I've target shot accurately to 300 yds many times. Bottom line, I have met in person, maybe 2-3 guys that should be taking a 550 yard shot on any animal and have seen many "professional" hunter's on TV pass on shots at good bucks, with shot opportunities much less distance than 550 yards.
I agree that it depends on the person, the weapon and conditions, but I do think you can throw a general blanket statement that it is irresponsible. It is a shot that should only be made by a handful of hunters under ideal conditions.
Post by: GoldTip on March 10, 2008, 02:03:13 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on March 10, 2008, 02:14:23 PM
Post by: MasterTracker on March 10, 2008, 05:03:19 PM
known Land mark from position 800 yards and enemy engagement mark and location coordinates point for 0311's and 0811's and gps coordinates for air support.
Known enemy spotted and is in the engagement of contact zone.
Eye and or laser mark of reference is called in at 700 yards.
Told to engage on known enemy target.
known average size of this target is from top of shoulder to bottom of foot is 31-40 inch's. "it looks bigger than avearge"
I use 40 inch's to mil this enemy in at.
40 divided 12=3.33x1000=3330 divided 4.88 mil = 682 yards!
enemy is 3330 at 6 miles= 555 yards!
I'm shooting a .338 Lapua Magnum 250 Grain Sierra MatchKing Hollow point.
Weather condition's 79 degrees Humidity 57% Wind 1.7 mph due sse Elevation 900 feet
Rifle is 9.00 moa at 550 yards shooter adjustment for .25 moa
9.25 MOA is 37 clicks elevation
At 550 yards wind is 1.7 MOA shooter adjustment for .05 to 1.75 for 7 clicks left.
Wind check is made for other wind drifts none are found.
Hold breath release breath wait 2 tenths of a second......Fire
Enemy target was eliminated
"DEAD BEAR!"
Post by: KillBilly on March 10, 2008, 05:11:46 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 10, 2008, 05:14:28 PM
Post by: MasterTracker on March 10, 2008, 05:17:40 PM
Post by: boneaddict on March 10, 2008, 05:23:40 PM
and he sure doesn't look like a marine sniper.
Post by: MasterTracker on March 10, 2008, 05:31:35 PM
Post by: saylean on March 10, 2008, 05:33:21 PM
This thread is pretty good....
for me to poop on...
I KEED!
Just trying to lighten the mood.
Post by: Lowedog on March 10, 2008, 05:35:42 PM
This Jacob probably doesn't even know his picture is on here and he's being persecuted for shooting a bear at a range that is too far and for riding his ATV on a road that nobody even knows where it's at or if it's state, federal or private.
Dman, if you know this road, then you know it's not posted and people ride behind it all the time.
-Lowedog
Post by: billythekidrock on March 10, 2008, 05:36:53 PM
I thought Jacob shot the bear with a 300......did I miss something somewhere?
and he sure doesn't look like a marine sniper.
lol
I don't know but I am about done with this thread. It is a great bear, but the rest is all hear say and until I see a score sheet I am guessing 20.5 inches tops.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 10, 2008, 05:43:37 PM
Post by: MasterTracker on March 10, 2008, 05:47:52 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 10, 2008, 05:50:16 PM
I went to far with that and thats not who I am...anywho
Cool. I was just curious.
Post by: billythekidrock on March 10, 2008, 05:51:54 PM