Post by: BoomWhop on September 03, 2010, 10:10:39 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on September 03, 2010, 10:19:43 PM
Post by: longrange7mm on September 03, 2010, 10:25:03 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on September 03, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on September 03, 2010, 11:22:10 PM
As for the three arrows to kill it...sometimes that happens. There're no guarantees that even a well hit deer will die when and where you want it to.
Skill test? Never happen for the same reason Fox News has reporters; put a bar there, and most can't get under it.
Ethics test? Never happen for the same reason Washington DC won't ever change; 80% of the people can lie better than the next guy.
Rules for archery? Same as rifle. Must have permission to shoot an animal on that property. Shooting an arrow or bullet across property lines without permission is federal no-no.
Post by: lokidog on September 03, 2010, 11:42:12 PM
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 03, 2010, 11:48:54 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on September 03, 2010, 11:49:45 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on September 04, 2010, 12:19:57 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on September 04, 2010, 12:36:54 AM
I do not know the whole senario with this guy using 2 - 3 arrows before the deer died. Was it 2 or was it 3? Perhaps instead of letting the deer wonder off 20 -30 - 40 yards into several yards leaving a blood trail he decided to shoot til it was down. Anyone one ever make a great shot on a deer only to have it go 5 x 10 x 20 times farther than you thought possible?
Where it sounds like this deer was killed is not my cup of tea as far as hunting. If it is ethical and legal I will not condem someone for using a different method than I to get there animal.
Post by: bowhunterforever on September 04, 2010, 01:04:49 AM
This is just my opinion. A deers life is a deers life. It doesn't matter if it was shot in someones yard, someones field out in the country, private timer land, DNR land, with a rifle, muzzy, or bow. As long and the meat is put to proper use. If the guy killed it for the mount that was his choice. As long as the meat is used.
I do not know the whole senario with this guy using 2 - 3 arrows before the deer died. Was it 2 or was it 3? Perhaps instead of letting the deer wonder off 20 -30 - 40 yards into several yards leaving a blood trail he decided to shoot til it was down. Anyone one ever make a great shot on a deer only to have it go 5 x 10 x 20 times farther than you thought possible?X2 well said
Where it sounds like this deer was killed is not my cup of tea as far as hunting. If it is ethical and legal I will not condem someone for using a different method than I to get there animal.
Post by: bearpaw on September 04, 2010, 06:35:33 AM
Conversely, there are towns in the east which have created archery hunting zomes within city limits to lower the nuisance deer problem. However, any hunter should consider the impact he is making by visibly shooting deer in a community and take steps to reduce the collateral damage to the image of hunting. :twocents:
Post by: CSOUTFITTERS on September 05, 2010, 05:59:05 AM
I dont know about you guys, i dont think i would be to proud to look at that rack no matter what size and feel good about it. but then again some guys dont care how they get an animal (poaching, 5 arrows later, 90 yard shot, an ass shot, a neck shot, whatever). Ive had the same oppurtunites as this guy has an ive passed up the situations because it is only an animal and it doesnt mean that much to do something stupid or to have to explain myself to to law enforcement. Id rather hunt fair chase somewhere where on public land where where isnt houses or treehuggers close by. If this guy is proud of it and brags to his buddies then more power to him, just not for me. Like said, not very sporting but i guess it was legal.
Post by: bearpaw on September 05, 2010, 08:49:02 AM
But the bottom line is:
Did he have permission, was the area open to hunting, did he violate any game laws.
The reason I brought up the hunts in city limits is because some people may like watching the deer, but to some other people they may be a nuisance. One thing is for sure, people are forgetting the realities of life, maybe it's good they are reminded that hunting is a part of game management, maybe they need to realize that some people don't want as many deer around their yard.
What if the landowner told this guy to kill one of the deer that keeps eating his wife's roses, hell the guy is going to shoot the best deer he sees. Until you know all the facts and not just heresay or your best guess as to what happened, I think it's best to keep your nose out of someone elses business.
I wasn't there so I can't say if this particular situation was good, bad, or indifferent. But I can say that I get sick and tired of hearing one sportsman bash another because someone didn't hunt in the manner they approve of. That is one of the biggest problems with hunters, some are so narrow minded it is pathetic. I'm not say you are that way, and I am hoping you are only sincerely concerned about the image of hunting.
Game ranches are a perfect example: I think a large percentage of folks on this forum would vote out game ranches if given a choice because they don't happen to think it's ethical hunting. When those same people are 80 years old and can not hike the mountains to access public land hunting, they may wish they could go to a game ranch and shoot the last animal of their lifetime. I myself would rather take my bird dog hunting at a good game ranch than in the wild. Not because its challenging, just because I get to see my dog work as many birds as I wish to pay for. I consider that my right and I don't like the idea that there are people who want to prevent me and Cammy from doing that.
Sorry for the rant, just my :twocents:
Post by: BoomWhop on September 05, 2010, 10:07:05 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 05, 2010, 10:28:32 AM
Post by: runamuk on September 05, 2010, 10:46:38 AM
there are lots of deer in ocean shores that need to be shot they are like rats with antlers ;)
not my cup of tea so much but to each his own.
Post by: Raul Duke on September 05, 2010, 10:49:04 AM
Look what I killed,blah,blah,blah....
Might as well take a Bull of the feeding station next.
Post by: BoomWhop on September 05, 2010, 11:46:15 AM
I am concerned about our image as Hunters, I don't know jack about this archery hunter, maybe he did have permission from all three of the yards he arrowed the deer in. This area is not a city, its more of a Mobile home park with tiny lots so I agree with you that he was probably OK with the law and or game dept. As far as being narrow minded and bashing his methods, I posted this so I could get some honest opinions. My main concern was the 1pm timing. I know one of the cool parts of archery is the opportunity to take some cool animals close in where you could never use a gun. Hey I think his buck was a nice one. As for 3-4 arrows, it happens with all weapons, in an area like that I would have tried to end it quick as well. Here are a couple more Pics.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 05, 2010, 02:00:07 PM
But the bottom line is::yeah:
Did he have permission, was the area open to hunting, did he violate any game laws.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 05, 2010, 02:12:46 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 05, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on September 05, 2010, 03:27:43 PM
Post by: Snapshot on September 05, 2010, 04:31:56 PM
Yes, such an action is a potential blight on our image as archery hunters. Anti-hunters would love to have a photo of an arrowed deer lying dead in a Safeway parking lot to use as fodder for advancing their maligned agenda.
Post by: boneaddict on September 05, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
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400 yard stalk in his hand-made-moccassins, then made an 80 yard shot with his trad bow, homemade arrows and stone points...?Its 800 yards, Kenetrek boots, and a 40 yard shot with my homemade stone point. ;)
Post by: Ray on September 05, 2010, 04:41:08 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 05, 2010, 04:44:59 PM
Post by: CSOUTFITTERS on September 05, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
I think you acomplished your goal of getting honest opinions. As you can see there are many diverse opinions on this site and its funny to hear people rationalize the situation. The photos tell it all, what an idiot. Next time you are there can you see if there are any lots for sale. If i were a real outfitter I could buy a piece, book hunts and have clients sit in the Virgin Mary ground blind, or the Ford Escape SUV blind, or the Thule roofrack treestand. It sounds pretty sporting. I could advertise a challenging bow hunt for 120" trophy muley bucks.
Sorry if i sound a little cynical, just tired of hearing hunters and especially some bow hunters doing stupid things that make hunting look bad and all of us. Oh well. Good luck hunting.
Post by: Snapshot on September 05, 2010, 04:50:11 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on September 05, 2010, 09:47:03 PM
Virgin Mary ground blind. Too funny! :chuckle::chuckle:
Yeah that is creative, I was reviewing the pics and I remembered the previous post about the lawn trolls...I see your Virgin Mary and raise you 4 plastic ducks a bird bath and a little girl statue......
Post by: bearpaw on September 06, 2010, 02:25:32 AM
But half the time hunters are just jealous because someone got something they didn't get and so they look for fault. This is especially true with more well known hunters who get top scoring trophies. Almost immediately other hunters are scrutinizing and throwing out assumed allegations. That is why I will not automatically condemn someone until I know the real story.
Since someone actually has the true story on this, I would agree with the rest who have already condemned this person.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 06, 2010, 01:54:32 PM
Even with my current health issues, I would not be interested in an "opportunity" like this. However, IF it had been done legally and with permission, I would have absolutely no issues with nuisance animals being killed by hunters - though i agree with Boomwhop that it needs to be accomplished discretely and with a minimum of exhibition, unlike this *censored*' behavior. I spent many, many hours explaining to non-hunting and anti-hunting property owners that state game managers handle nuisance wildlife to the greatest extent possible by allowing legal harvest. It's not for sport, it is a population management tool. There ARE many utilitarian hunters who would never dream of wasting time on an internet forum - their only interest is meat in the freezer, and the easier, cheaper and quicker, the better. Many of these folks do understand the need for safe, discrete and ethical behavior to maintain their opportunities.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 06, 2010, 09:54:01 PM
Quote400 yard stalk in his hand-made-moccassins, then made an 80 yard shot with his trad bow, homemade arrows and stone points...?Its 800 yards, Kenetrek boots, and a 40 yard shot with my homemade stone point. ;)
Touche :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: h2ofowlr on September 06, 2010, 10:55:38 PM
Post by: lablover on September 09, 2010, 09:56:30 PM
Part of the reason I became a bow hunter is because of the "hunt," the actual stalking of the animal, getting in close, etc etc. There is none of that in this scenario. It may be legal, but not morally or ethically right. I hope the individual that made this decision won't make another one like it again.
Post by: FC on September 10, 2010, 11:22:59 AM
What is hunting? How many people call this hunting? I know I certainly do not. This is simply EATING...plain and simple.
I fixed that for ya!
I see so much crying about ethics and fair chase it makes me sick. If you shoot an animal that didn't know you were there...was it hunting or killing? If you shoot an animal that DID know you were there, it was obviously mentally deficient and therefore wrong to have killed it as it didn't have the mental capacity to understand that you were going to try and kill and eat it.
What I think we need to do is try and teach them to read, give them books and hugs and then tell them it's ok to cry sometimes when the other animals make fun of them and then maybe someday we can all live together like in a Walt Disney movie....
I've seen firsthand what a pain in the ass these "pet" deer can be, if you plant flowers or have any small trees or shrubs they will eat them to nothing and then *censored* all over your yard before they leave. If it was my yard getting torn up and it was legal? I would take that deer down in a heartbeat.
Something people need to remember is that you can "ethic" yourself right out of any hunting if that is how you choose to look at it, killing animals that didn't know you were there and such...If that bothers you then you probably shouldn't be hunting! What about a bear? You could have some big bruin come right to you and not be afraid, is it fair to use a weapon to kill him or should you tape knives to your hands (like Wolverine) and duke it out in a more "fair" manner?
I think too many people are too concerned with horns, skull size or hide square footage and not what is carrying it around: MEAT. Is hunting exciting? Sure but if the only reason you do it is to get your weanie hard and beat your chest over how you outsmarted some animal, you might want to re-evaluate your motives.
Post by: 400out on September 10, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
I wonder if he's going to do a head-mount with all the proper habitat (i.e. sod, petunias, chainlink fencing... maybe a couple of yard gnomes...)? Or are all his buddies going to have to endure stories about how he hiked 17 miles into the Psayten in September and executed a 400 yard stalk in his hand-made-moccassins, then made an 80 yard shot with his trad bow, homemade arrows and stone points...?:dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: 400out on September 10, 2010, 11:27:32 AM
Post by: FC on September 10, 2010, 11:28:24 AM
how do you ask for permission to hunt the front yard :dunno:
LOL, walk past the deer and knock on the door?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 10, 2010, 11:29:45 AM
Post by: 400out on September 10, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
ok well played! I will go put my hat on :chuckle:how do you ask for permission to hunt the front yard :dunno:
LOL, walk past the deer and knock on the door?
Post by: grundy53 on September 10, 2010, 11:37:43 AM
What is hunting? How many people call this hunting? I know I certainly do not. This is simply EATING...plain and simple.
I fixed that for ya!
I see so much crying about ethics and fair chase it makes me sick. If you shoot an animal that didn't know you were there...was it hunting or killing? If you shoot an animal that DID know you were there, it was obviously mentally deficient and therefore wrong to have killed it as it didn't have the mental capacity to understand that you were going to try and kill and eat it.
What I think we need to do is try and teach them to read, give them books and hugs and then tell them it's ok to cry sometimes when the other animals make fun of them and then maybe someday we can all live together like in a Walt Disney movie....
I've seen firsthand what a pain in the ass these "pet" deer can be, if you plant flowers or have any small trees or shrubs they will eat them to nothing and then *censored* all over your yard before they leave. If it was my yard getting torn up and it was legal? I would take that deer down in a heartbeat.
Something people need to remember is that you can "ethic" yourself right out of any hunting if that is how you choose to look at it, killing animals that didn't know you were there and such...If that bothers you then you probably shouldn't be hunting! What about a bear? You could have some big bruin come right to you and not be afraid, is it fair to use a weapon to kill him or should you tape knives to your hands (like Wolverine) and duke it out in a more "fair" manner?
I think too many people are too concerned with horns, skull size or hide square footage and not what is carrying it around: MEAT. Is hunting exciting? Sure but if the only reason you do it is to get your weanie hard and beat your chest over how you outsmarted some animal, you might want to re-evaluate your motives.
I agree. Yes I love the sport very much and wouldn't do this, but if I was purely a meat hunter then there is nothing wrong with killing an animal this way. Same as farm raised meat. I have no problem with someone doing this if it was my yard I would give him permission.
Post by: lokidog on September 11, 2010, 07:11:20 AM
This guy's name is tall boy, he has a notch in his left ear, as he did last year, he likes his apples crunchy but not too sweet. :chuckle: He will be joining us for dinner this year if we cannot find a slightly more anonymous deer in one of our neighbors' yards. And yes, that is our fence on the right of the picture that I am holding the camera over to take the picture.
Are they pests, often, are they pets, not really, do they taste as good as the one you shoot a mile behind a locked gate, probably, did it take a week of vacation time to get it, no, is it hunting, up to you but shot placement still counts and I notch the transport tag that I bought with my hunting license. Would I prefer to be able to take time off from work and ferrying (by boat) my daughter to school every day so that I could spend time with friends or family away from civilization, of course I would. Fortunately for us, we are not quite so visible in the public eye. But, should you be embarassed to do in public what you would do with no one watching? The caveat is that no laws are broken.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 12, 2010, 06:10:29 PM
Post by: NWBREW on September 12, 2010, 06:14:08 PM
Lokidog, you need to mow your lawn... :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle::chuckle:
Post by: lokidog on September 12, 2010, 11:07:09 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 13, 2010, 10:24:12 AM
Post by: backyard bucks on September 13, 2010, 01:13:52 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 13, 2010, 01:32:13 PM
Post by: BlackRidge on September 13, 2010, 01:38:59 PM
Not to mention its next to a house, or occupied building. I may be wrong, really gullible or simply uniformed, but wouldn't the shot, whether bow or bullet be bound by the same concept that, you shouldn't fire towards/over any buildings/bodies of water, and or within a certain distance from them?
Again, could be horribly, stupidly wrong, but just throwing it out there.
I don't agree with what the guy did
Post by: GEARHEAD on September 14, 2010, 08:31:58 PM