Post by: bowman on September 06, 2010, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: FC on September 06, 2010, 05:41:02 PM
Post by: skynyr on September 06, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
Post by: trippledigitss on September 07, 2010, 07:42:19 PM
Post by: bowman on September 07, 2010, 09:37:26 PM
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I got my S&W MP15 with 5 Magpul Mags all brand spanking new for $830 from Code4 in Bothell
Whats the twist rate on the Smith and Wesson?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 07, 2010, 09:52:16 PM
Post by: FC on September 07, 2010, 10:12:43 PM
Were looking for a rifle with a 1 in 9 twist because we want to shoot 55 grain bullets. The r15 has the 1 in 9 twist but we don't like the Max 1 camo and the bushmaster is a 1 in 8 twist, not what were looking for.
I can tell you that my 1 in 9 rifle prefers 62gr to 55, I would try and get a 1 in 12 if you want to use lighter bullets.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 07, 2010, 10:15:59 PM
Post by: dannysdaddy on September 08, 2010, 04:04:12 AM
Post by: Gutpile on September 08, 2010, 05:34:38 AM
Post by: Swag on September 08, 2010, 07:03:39 AM
In the end with whatever you buy you will find that you will addapt to the advantages & the disadvantage, or you will end up with several. Spend some time looking at several different brands & types so you get a good Idea of whats out there & then start looking at prices. The one thing on any Ar that you should always test drive before you buy it is the Trigger. Some factory triggers are just fabulous like Sundevils Other are just terrible like bushmaster. These are all things that can be changed fairly easy, but I would factor that in to the selection of the rifle from the start.
Post by: trippledigitss on September 08, 2010, 10:05:06 AM
Were looking for a rifle with a 1 in 9 twist because we want to shoot 55 grain bullets. The r15 has the 1 in 9 twist but we don't like the Max 1 camo and the bushmaster is a 1 in 8 twist, not what were looking for.QuoteI got my S&W MP15 with 5 Magpul Mags all brand spanking new for $830 from Code4 in Bothell
Whats the twist rate on the Smith and Wesson?
Mine is 1 in 9
And I try to call them inside of 40yds so accuracy & distance isnt an issue! :chuckle:
Post by: chrisb on September 08, 2010, 10:17:25 AM
Post by: sako223 on September 08, 2010, 10:33:19 AM
Shorter barrel swings easier. I felt the 1/9 was more finicky than the 1/8 which shot even light bullets very well.
Weight becomes an issue quickly. Some guys get the long bull barrel and accessorize to the point of a 12# gun.
Then the chrome lined vs stainless debates, who knows. I like the stainless barrel.
Post by: beardown on September 08, 2010, 11:07:55 AM
Post by: demontang on September 08, 2010, 12:14:31 PM
Post by: bowhunt03 on September 08, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
Post by: FC on September 08, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
I agree with sako223 on the barrel length. I have a Smith ansd Wesson with ithe 16" no noticable velocity loss.
Shoot through a chronograph if you want to notice it :P, the difference between 24" and 16" is roughly 250fps for a 62gr bullet but as long as your bullet will perform well at a slightly lowered velocity its no big deal. The difference is about 100 yards practical range for the extra 8" of barrel and probably 4-5 more pounds if it's a bull barrel vs a standard contour.
Mine is a heavy pig although tripledigits felt it was a bit lighter than his bolt action Axiom (idk it's close for sure) but it is deadly accurate and very easy to shoot, extra weight can be nice for steadying the muzzle but it's not so much fun to pack it around.
Post by: trippledigitss on September 08, 2010, 04:16:03 PM
I agree with sako223 on the barrel length. I have a Smith ansd Wesson with ithe 16" no noticable velocity loss.
Shoot through a chronograph if you want to notice it :P, the difference between 24" and 16" is roughly 250fps for a 62gr bullet but as long as your bullet will perform well at a slightly lowered velocity its no big deal. The difference is about 100 yards practical range for the extra 8" of barrel and probably 4-5 more pounds if it's a bull barrel vs a standard contour.
Mine is a heavy pig although tripledigits felt it was a bit lighter than his bolt action Axiom (idk it's close for sure) but it is deadly accurate and very easy to shoot, extra weight can be nice for steadying the muzzle but it's not so much fun to pack it around.
It is definitely heavier than my MP15 (weighs about 7#) but did not feel quite as heavy as my Howa Axiom. I think my Axiom weighs about 15# with the Harris Pivoting Bipod on it - your AR did not feel as heavy to me. But then again it could simply be the cool factor - since yours was so cool looking I didnt notice it was as heavy! :chuckle:
Post by: jayrod9528 on September 10, 2010, 06:35:22 AM
Post by: FALFire on September 10, 2010, 10:17:53 AM
I say get which ever one you and your dad like or want, they all are good and they all kill coyotes. I build all of mine with a mix-match bunch of parts and they kill, shoot and function as good as anything out there.
Buy what you like, don't let anyone tell you one is better than the other, these days they are all good. Go fondel a few different models and think about optics you plan on using, put it together in your head what you would like it to look like, plan the whole thing as a complete package from scope to sling.
Don't be in a big rush to buy the first theng you look at. Short barrels or long, they all work well, just that some will fit better in your given application.
I prefer 20 inch barrels and A2 stocks for hunting. I also prefer the 6.8 cal over the 223, it just flat kills dogs, but I have both calibers and a few more to choose from. You should pick which one is best for you. Brand names are just that.....names.
Use good ammo, mags and get a good trigger then, go practice with it. :dunno: What else is there to say :dunno:
Post by: robmill70 on September 13, 2010, 01:53:58 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 24, 2010, 08:52:05 PM
Get a good scope. I have a Bushnell on my..no problems.
Look up: www.impactguns.com (http://www.impactguns.com) > and take a look at all of them. :twocents:
Post by: FALFire on September 25, 2010, 07:35:48 PM
Don't use 55gr in a 1in9 twist barrel...your performance won't be as good. You are gonna want 62gr minimum for that twist. If it's just a yote gun, I would go with at least a 24" bbl with a 1in8 twist (that will let u move into the 70+gr bullets). who makes it really doesn't matter......I usually get Olympic arms (they are 15 min away...easy access)
You might just get a lot of people to disagree with that statement.
Out of the tens thousands of rounds I have fired with a 9 twist in probably close to 20 AR's and a Remington 223 with 9 twist, it has shown to be of the the better twist rates for the 55grain bullets of many brands. most any 9 twist barrel and 55 grain bullets should group 1 inch or less at 100 yards on average.
Before I retired from Law Enforcement all of our AR15 rifles and carbines, (100 plus), used 9 twist exclusively, and the ammo we used was Federal 55grain HP's, all of them shot under 1 inch at 100 yards, so I'm not sure where you are getting your information.
Post by: SeaRun1 on September 25, 2010, 08:08:04 PM
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Post by: FC on September 27, 2010, 12:22:21 PM
most any 9 twist barrel and 55 grain bullets should group 1 inch or less at 100 yards on average.
Interesting that you say that, my 1 in 9 AR is chambered in .223 Remington and I have only found one 55gr so far that it really seems to like! Ironically enough it happens to like the Remington bullets...It will group those in about 3/8" at 100 yards. All of the other 55gr stuff I've put through it grouped pretty poorly (2.5" or worse) and most of the 62gr stuff groups at least fairly well (1.5" or better). I haven't shot any heavier stuff through it or any match bullets at all yet, it liked the Brown Bear 62gr hp so well I stopped experimenting.
Post by: FALFire on September 27, 2010, 03:49:44 PM
most any 9 twist barrel and 55 grain bullets should group 1 inch or less at 100 yards on average.
Interesting that you say that, my 1 in 9 AR is chambered in .223 Remington and I have only found one 55gr so far that it really seems to like! Ironically enough it happens to like the Remington bullets...It will group those in about 3/8" at 100 yards. All of the other 55gr stuff I've put through it grouped pretty poorly (2.5" or worse) and most of the 62gr stuff groups at least fairly well (1.5" or better). I haven't shot any heavier stuff through it or any match bullets at all yet, it liked the Brown Bear 62gr hp so well I stopped experimenting.
That's interesting you say that, most of that steel cased lacquer coated junk ammo don't do well in anything with a decent chamber due to it's various tolerances and lot variations in consistency. If you found a good lot and it works well for you, then I would say stick with it. I have never had good luck with any of the Silver Bear or Brown Bear ammo, it seems that the consistency is just not there, then again, I don't do chrome lined barrels. As you well discovered, there is nothing wrong with Remington bullets, they have a proven track record for decent performance in all types of applications and it sounds as though a 3/8" group is good to go. But then again every barrel is different and some days it seems nothing does well.
Post by: FC on September 27, 2010, 03:56:32 PM
Post by: FALFire on September 27, 2010, 05:48:36 PM
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Post by: camosolo on October 17, 2010, 04:21:01 AM