Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Scopes and Optics => Topic started by: WDFW-SUX on September 19, 2010, 09:19:15 AM
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Im now a Ziess man for the duration!!
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Admitting you have a problem is a start. :chuckle:
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been there, done that......happy I did.
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:yike: Blasphemy! :yike:
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Probably drives a Kia too! :P
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Probably drives a Kia too! :P
Or a Subaru. :o
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volkswagon. :chuckle:
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volkswagon. :chuckle:
Actually, that would be more likely. Volkswagen/Zeiss = German....
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sind Sie das Bumsen, das mich verkohlt :chuckle: :hello:
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volkswagon. :chuckle:
Actually, that would be more likely. Volkswagen/Zeiss = German....
Exactly my thought !! :)
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Is it bad that I'm still an under $150 guy?
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Probably drives a Kia too! :P
Or a Subaru. :o
:iamwithstupid:
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Is it bad that I'm still an under $150 guy?
I'm right there with you.
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:chuckle: i use to like you wdfw-sux :P :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Is it bad that I'm still an under $150 guy?
I'm right there with you.
Same here.
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I have two Zeiss Conquest scopes. ZenRay binoculars and some older steiner big horn binoculars and the windriver sequoia spotting scope. I am waiting for ZenRay to come out with a spotting scope in order to upgrade. Very happy with the Zeiss products.
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welcome to he european world of optics.
i see scopes every time i go on group hunts (zeiss,S&B,Sworo) that are 30+years old and still ticking just fine.
I've been making plans for my next gun i buy in the states. I'm looking at zeiss,Minox,and meopta in the 400-500$ price range unless i can snage a schmidt&bender before i leave. :drool:
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welcome to he european world of optics.
i see scopes every time i go on group hunts (zeiss,S&B,Sworo) that are 30+years old and still ticking just fine.
I've been making plans for my next gun i buy in the states. I'm looking at zeiss,Minox,and meopta in the 400-500$ price range unless i can snage a schmidt&bender before i leave. :drool:
You definitely need to snag something before you leave.... I would imagine it is cheaper to bring it back than to buy anything similar here.
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you won't lose a penny on a S&B if you do not like it. they are easy to sell here
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Optics snob. :P
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buddy just picked up a brand new S&B Zenith 2.5-10x56 with illuminated reticle for 1400 US dollars. :drool: the classic's are even cheaper. withut the 56mm bell and the illuminated you might get one under a grand. prolly costs 2 G's in the states.
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about 3g's for a new pm2 4-16x50......you get a few of them back here and you can keep one for yourself after offing a few.
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hahahaha. we pay like 2500 for a 5-25 PMII.
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Why? I have had great luck with leupold and there customer service is awesome...just curious?
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Nobody has asked the questions of why the sudden hatred for Leupold. Did something happen?
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look at the post above yours... :chuckle:
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For every one man that hates a Leupy, 100,000 others love em!
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leupold makes more scopes in one shift then S&B does all year.......but, their qa depts have the same staffing.
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Nuttin wrong with my Leo Or my Burris... Bought one used for $100 and the other used for $190.... They fit the bill nicely.
I DO like Zeiss and Swaro scope though...
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Nobody has asked the questions of why the sudden hatred for Leupold. Did something happen?
I wouldn't call it hatred...some of us get tired of label worship in the face of mediocre products with high failure rates and high prices...but as long as you can send one back and get a new one.....
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welcome to he european world of optics.
i see scopes every time i go on group hunts (zeiss,S&B,Sworo) that are 30+years old and still ticking just fine.
I've been making plans for my next gun i buy in the states. I'm looking at zeiss,Minox,and meopta in the 400-500$ price range unless i can snage a schmidt&bender before i leave. :drool:
so is my leupold and nikon both were less then $200 lol and they have been through alot, and if anything happens they will get sent in and replaced.....
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Is it bad that I'm still an under $150 guy?
I'm right there with you.
Same here.
Yeah me too!
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I have two Zeiss Conquest scopes. ZenRay binoculars and some older steiner big horn binoculars and the windriver sequoia spotting scope. I am waiting for ZenRay to come out with a spotting scope in order to upgrade. Very happy with the Zeiss products.
They did come out with a spotting scope :)
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I have two Zeiss Conquest scopes. ZenRay binoculars and some older steiner big horn binoculars and the windriver sequoia spotting scope. I am waiting for ZenRay to come out with a spotting scope in order to upgrade. Very happy with the Zeiss products.
They did come out with a spotting scope :)
Funny - When I posted that in September it hadn't come out yet. Glad they came out with the ED2 angled spotting scope. I see that for a smooth $1200 it could be mine today. I think that I will be saving my pesos and wait for a straight version to come out. I am in no hurry right now. That could all change if I were to draw a OIL tag though.
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sind Sie das Bumsen, das mich verkohlt :chuckle: :hello:
"Are you the f*ck me charred" is how that came out. Either it's a whole new insult I've never heard of or Google translate is confused. :chuckle:
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I don't hate Leupold at all - in fact I still have several rifles with Leupys on them. They are good scopes.
However, if you've looked through European optics you will understand. I bought Swaro binoculars and have entered a whole new world.
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:) If you spent triple on your house you'd see a difference, or your car, or rifle, or?????????duh???
Carl
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Love my ZIESS scope, its been through hell & back.. No problems at all.. Welcome to german optics.. :twocents: :rockin:
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sind Sie das Bumsen, das mich verkohlt :chuckle: :hello:
:dunno: Are you the ...... that I .........
You lost me there Ras :chuckle:
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:) If you spent triple on your house you'd see a difference, or your car, or rifle, or?????????duh???
Carl
Or wife...
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:rockin:
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leupold makes a good scope, but peek through a great scope some time and you are ruined. the guy that shoots 40 rounds a year does not need a S&B, but a guy that shoots a lot deserves at least one.
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zeiss conquest doesnt cost 3 times as much as a leupy.
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"zeiss conquest doesnt cost 3 times as much as a leupy." and it aint any better either.
Carl
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I have had Nikon monarche binos which failed me after 2 years and have had the Leupold Olympic 10x50's and they failed me after 3 months. I am saving up and not buying anything else until i can buy a pair of swavorski's. I do have to say though the nikon scope i have is awesome.
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"zeiss conquest doesnt cost 3 times as much as a leupy." and it aint any better either.
Carl
opinion, and quite possibly a wrong one at that. ;)
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I like Conquest glass, but the compact and lightweight packaging of a Leupold. From what I've heard that means you should buy the Sightron Big Sky, but I haven't been able to look through one before.
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You can pay triple the money for high end Euro optics over Leupold for only 10% better quality......but I use Swaro binos!!! I have Leupold scopes as well, but am leaning toward a Euro scope very soon...........I guess I am on the fence....which is dictated by my checkbook right now...
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a german hunting magazine (wild und hunde) did an article with some testing a little while back on light transmission and low light ability both with the naked eye and some fancy testing equipment.
It must have been a year ago or so but this is what i remember. on % of light transmission, leopould scored in the mid 70's just below meopta while schmidt and bender, zeiss and Sworo maintained in the high 90's. I'll see if i can find someone who still has the article if anyone is interested.
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a german hunting magazine (wild und hunde) did an article with some testing a little while back on light transmission and low light ability both with the naked eye and some fancy testing equipment.
It must have been a year ago or so but this is what i remember. on % of light transmission, leopould scored in the mid 70's just below meopta while schmidt and bender, zeiss and Sworo maintained in the high 90's. I'll see if i can find someone who still has the article if anyone is interested.
I am very interested if you can track down a copy of the article.
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i'll ask my buddies.
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Quote from: Bofire on December 08, 2010, 08:54:04 AM
"zeiss conquest doesnt cost 3 times as much as a leupy." and it aint any better either.
Carl
opinion, and quite possibly a wrong one at that.
As is every post on this thread, duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Chump
Carl
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Well, I just have to through my :twocents:. I am a Leupold guy. I've had most of the others that are within the same price range, and I've always gone back to Loopy glass. I've had two Zeiss Conquests...I no longer have them. I thought they were a great glass, but didn't see any drastic improvement on Leupold. Maybe it's just because I've had unbelievable customer service from Leupold, or maybe I am just a creature of habit. Heck, I had grown up listening to what a pos the M-16/AR-15 is, and it wasn't until a couple years ago that I changed my view on that subject.
That being said, I'm saving my mad money for a Nightforce, Swaro, or a Schmitt Bender, or something like that. I'm thinking seriously about buying a used Kahles right at the moment just because that's what I can afford.
I've just had good luck with Leupold's and I like that they are made in the USA. (At least all the models that I have were built here).
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all ya'll that are complaining about your leupold or nikon or swaro binos and other optics going bad inside a 1-2 year time frame must be harder'n hell on your equipment... thats pretty sad.. i hate my cheapy bushnell binos but ive dropped em and roled em around and they havent broke... "still hate them".. idk if you guys are dropping them off cliffs or what but optics made by any componies mentioned in this thread will last if treated fairly.. :twocents:
im a leupold gay as well... have an old vx II on my rife from like the 90s that is still waterproof and works perfect. im not gonna say leupolod is better than swaro or nightforce or any of those casue 1 i dont know, and 2, i doubt they are. but i dont think they would be worth $600-$800 more. how damn good do your eyes need to be to see the different? i mean.. optics can anly be SO clear.
oh one more thing. i honestly dont know if those german and european optics are made in eurpoe or USA.. but i know Leupold is made right down the road by some hard workin armerican men and woman.. and i like that.
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all ya'll that are complaining about your leupold or nikon or swaro binos and other optics going bad inside a 1-2 year time frame must be harder'n hell on your equipment... thats pretty sad.. i hate my cheapy bushnell binos but ive dropped em and roled em around and they havent broke... "still hate them".. idk if you guys are dropping them off cliffs or what but optics made by any componies mentioned in this thread will last if treated fairly.. :twocents:
im a leupold gay as well... have an old vx II on my rife from like the 90s that is still waterproof and works perfect. im not gonna say leupolod is better than swaro or nightforce or any of those casue 1 i dont know, and 2, i doubt they are. but i dont think they would be worth $600-$800 more. how damn good do your eyes need to be to see the different? i mean.. optics can anly be SO clear.
oh one more thing. i honestly dont know if those german and european optics are made in eurpoe or USA.. but i know Leupold is made right down the road by some hard workin armerican men and woman.. and i like that.
Did this guy have a Frudian slip. "leupold gay" ? :yike:
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I have a buddy that has a Zeiss and wants some work done on it. He has to ship it back to NEW YORK, paying for shipping both ways, and his scope will be gone 3-4 weeks (I spoke with the Zeiss rep on the phone personally about this issue). Let's say that the scope is at most 10% clearer. So, in reality, it will help a little during the 20 minutes a day (10 minutes at daylight, same at dark) and thus justifies more money and hassle to have repairs/maintenance performed on throughout the life of the scope?!?!?!?! Not for me personally. I can drive to the front door of Leupold and hand them my scope, and get it back in a few days. I personally put a lot of value on that. Just ordered a VXIII 6.5-20 X 50 Leupold. Can't wait to get it and start shooting! I DO like the pissing match that is taking place on here tho. Good late night humor to come across!!! LOL :IBCOOL:
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:chuckle: That's a good read !!! :dunno:
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all ya'll that are complaining about your leupold or nikon or swaro binos and other optics going bad inside a 1-2 year time frame must be harder'n hell on your equipment... thats pretty sad.. i hate my cheapy bushnell binos but ive dropped em and roled em around and they havent broke... "still hate them".. idk if you guys are dropping them off cliffs or what but optics made by any componies mentioned in this thread will last if treated fairly.. :twocents:
im a leupold gay as well... have an old vx II on my rife from like the 90s that is still waterproof and works perfect. im not gonna say leupolod is better than swaro or nightforce or any of those casue 1 i dont know, and 2, i doubt they are. but i dont think they would be worth $600-$800 more. how damn good do your eyes need to be to see the different? i mean.. optics can anly be SO clear.
oh one more thing. i honestly dont know if those german and european optics are made in eurpoe or USA.. but i know Leupold is made right down the road by some hard workin armerican men and woman.. and i like that.
Did this guy have a Frudian slip. "leupold gay" ? :yike:
really? yes obvously i did.
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Did this guy have a Frudian slip. "leupold gay" ? :yike:
hope i didn't disappoint you.
btw might wanna check your spelling as well.
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:) If you spent triple on your house you'd see a difference, or your car, or rifle, or?????????duh???
Carl
Well put. Zeiss optics are super nice but is it worth the additional cost?? Maybe for some but not for me. I'm Leupold all the way until they do something to change my mind. Had nothing but positive experiences with them to date.