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Title: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: DoubleJ on September 21, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
sorry i dont have the regs handi and i just got asked a question.  can i carry my .22 rifle to shoot grouse and my .308 for protection or to take a bear at the same time?
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 05:04:44 PM
sorry i dont have the regs handi and i just got asked a question.  can i carry my .22 rifle to shoot grouse and my .308 for protection or to take a bear at the same time?

           :bash:    :bash:

Please tell me this is a joke. It is, right?  
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: DoubleJ on September 21, 2010, 05:07:45 PM
i am 99.9% sure its only one weapon in the field but i cant tell the guy for sure without checking the regs and i cant check them right now
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 05:09:37 PM
Tell him he can carry a dozen guns if he wants. There's no limit on how many guns you carry while hunting.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bigtex on September 21, 2010, 05:33:38 PM
It would be ok to carry the 308, but illegal to use it on a bird. And yes some people do get "kicks" out of blowing up grouse.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: chongo469 on September 21, 2010, 05:37:50 PM
It is perfectly legal to carry both rifles as long as you only use the .308 for bear and the .22 for the grouse......Of coarse it does require you to be in a non firearm restricted area.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: pjb3 on September 21, 2010, 06:47:07 PM
It better be legal, I always carry a pistol and rifle and shotgun, yes all 3 when hunting bear/grouse.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 07:55:16 PM
It would be ok to carry the 308, but illegal to use it on a bird. And yes some people do get "kicks" out of blowing up grouse.

What law says you can't shoot a grouse with a 308? I've killed plenty of grouse with my 270, and before that a 264 Win. Mag. I always shoot the head off.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: Buckmark on September 21, 2010, 08:11:58 PM
Holy cow you people scare me, Do you not READ THE REGS? (not you doublej, your just asking a question), but atleast 2 people have responded with incorrect information.
Get your copy of the regs (you have one correct?)
Open it to page #72.
Now go to #11 (it's on the upper right).
And read it (you can read correct)
Now come back and tell us what it says regarding forest grouse..
*
There will be a pop quiz tommorrow...
 :bash:
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 10:01:33 PM
OK, here it is. What exactly are we supposed to learn from it?

Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: FC on September 21, 2010, 10:02:36 PM
It would be ok to carry the 308, but illegal to use it on a bird. And yes some people do get "kicks" out of blowing up grouse.

What law says you can't shoot a grouse with a 308? I've killed plenty of grouse with my 270, and before that a 264 Win. Mag. I always shoot the head off.

That's only legal during deer and elk modern firearm if you have a valid tag.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: Buckmark on September 21, 2010, 10:12:01 PM
For gods sake this has got to be a joke right, am i dreaming, bumped my head what??????
Page 72, #11 Prohibited firearms/hunting methods, sentence 2 states "Hunt game birds with a rifle or pistol, EXCEPT FOREST GROUSE!!!!!!
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 10:12:31 PM
It would be ok to carry the 308, but illegal to use it on a bird. And yes some people do get "kicks" out of blowing up grouse.

What law says you can't shoot a grouse with a 308? I've killed plenty of grouse with my 270, and before that a 264 Win. Mag. I always shoot the head off.

That's only legal during deer and elk modern firearm.

Not true.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 10:14:41 PM
For gods sake this has got to be a joke right, am i dreaming, bumped my head what??????
Page 72, #11 Prohibited firearms/hunting methods, sentence 2 states "Hunt game birds with a rifle or pistol, EXCEPT FOREST GROUSE!!!!!!


       :chuckle:
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 10:15:12 PM
For more clarification:

(from page 19 of the Migratory Waterfowl & Upland Game Seasons" pamphlet)
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: FC on September 21, 2010, 10:17:41 PM
Still looking, I saw a specific mention of this for grouse and am looking for it now.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 10:19:48 PM
I want to see what bigtex has to say. He usually knows the laws better than anybody and he says you can't shoot a grouse with a 308 ???     :dunno:
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: Buckmark on September 21, 2010, 10:20:26 PM
For the sake of the firearm argument, forest grouse (ruffed,blue and spruce) can be hunted anytime during there open season Sept #1 to Dec #31, with any weapon that is legal to use on big game, also shotgun and .22, no other game bird can be hunted with a rifle or a .22.
I can, you can hunt/shoot GROUSE anytime during there open season with a .22, 30-06, 300rum or .410, or if you wish,
a bow or muzzle loader.
I can go out during archery season and hunt grouse with a 30-06 if i wish, or during muzzle loader season, or during the 3rd week of december........
There is no ruling/law that states i can only use a rifle if i wish during modern deer or elk seasons...
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: FC on September 21, 2010, 10:22:20 PM
I want to see what bigtex has to say. He usually knows the laws better than anybody and he says you can't shoot a grouse with a 308 ???     :dunno:

The gist of what I remember is that you could only use a centerfire rifle for grouse during modern firearm season for deer/elk IF you had a valid deer/elk tag
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 10:23:57 PM
I want to see what bigtex has to say. He usually knows the laws better than anybody and he says you can't shoot a grouse with a 308 ???     :dunno:

The gist of what I remember is that you could only use a centerfire rifle for grouse during modern firearm season for deer/elk IF you had a valid deer/elk tag

Right. Did you see my 10:15 post?
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: FC on September 21, 2010, 10:24:42 PM
Pg 19 of upland bird regs.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: Buckmark on September 21, 2010, 10:26:25 PM
I want to see what bigtex has to say. He usually knows the laws better than anybody and he says you can't shoot a grouse with a 308 ???     :dunno:

The gist of what I remember is that you could only use a centerfire rifle for grouse during modern firearm season for deer/elk IF you had a valid deer/elk tag
Yes i was incorrect about being able to hunt grouse during the deer/elk modern season with a centerfire/shotgun unless you are in possesion of a modern deer or elk tag..
So if you have an unnotched deer tag and wish t take a grouse, go ahead, it legal, now fill your tag day #1 you better switch to a .22 or shotgun with birdshot till modern season is over, then go back to the 30-06 if you want, thats legal..
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: FC on September 21, 2010, 10:26:38 PM
I want to see what bigtex has to say. He usually knows the laws better than anybody and he says you can't shoot a grouse with a 308 ???     :dunno:

The gist of what I remember is that you could only use a centerfire rifle for grouse during modern firearm season for deer/elk IF you had a valid deer/elk tag

Right. Did you see my 10:15 post?

Yes....lol I did now
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: bobcat on September 21, 2010, 10:32:39 PM
Yes i was incorrect about being able to hunt grouse during the deer/elk modern season with a centerfire/shotgun unless you are in possesion of a modern deer or elk tag..
So if you have an unnotched deer tag and wish t take a grouse, go ahead, it legal, now fill your tag day #1 you better switch to a .22 or shotgun with birdshot till modern season is over, then go back to the 30-06 if you want, thats legal..

Yeah but who's going to go hunt grouse with a 30-06, unless they are actually deer hunting, and in that case they will have a deer tag. So you pretty much can shoot grouse with any gun, any time.
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: BlackRidge on September 22, 2010, 03:32:37 PM
So.... I could bring my AR & 30-06 out with me while deer hunting in the event I was looking for forest grouse as well?


I figured the answer would be simple, but this thread makes my head hurt...  :bash:
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: FC on September 22, 2010, 03:42:51 PM
So.... I could bring my AR & 30-06 out with me while deer hunting in the event I was looking for forest grouse as well?


I figured the answer would be simple, but this thread makes my head hurt...  :bash:

LOL...You actually can provided you have a big game license and appropriate tag for the season. An AR for grouse though?
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: BlackRidge on September 22, 2010, 03:46:24 PM
So.... I could bring my AR & 30-06 out with me while deer hunting in the event I was looking for forest grouse as well?


I figured the answer would be simple, but this thread makes my head hurt...  :bash:

LOL...You actually can provided you have a big game license and appropriate tag for the season. An AR for grouse though?

Haha first thing that came to mind for the under .24 situation. Sweet!
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: uncoolperson on September 24, 2010, 06:53:30 PM
So.... I could bring my AR & 30-06 out with me while deer hunting in the event I was looking for forest grouse as well?


I figured the answer would be simple, but this thread makes my head hurt...  :bash:

LOL...You actually can provided you have a big game license and appropriate tag for the season. An AR for grouse though?

avian rifle?
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: highmuley on September 25, 2010, 03:07:15 PM
I have shot a blue with my .308 pistol (thru the neck, no waste, big one too), but that was more out of frustration. Too many blues in my muley hole. But, I normally carry my .410 pistol in case I need poultry. It is all good!
Title: Re: quick bear and grouse question.
Post by: Alchase on September 25, 2010, 11:05:48 PM
I take grouse every year with my 300 win mag, a blast next to their head knocks them senseless. My question is why only during deer and elk season? Why not during bear and cougar modern fire arm as well?
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