Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Legacy on September 22, 2010, 07:24:45 AM
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Attached are two pictures of the auction tag bull killed by Dan Agnew in the Blue Mountains on Monday, 9/20 (the day after archery season). The bull is a 6 x 7 with an estimated gross score of 428 and an estimated net score of 409. The main beams are 59 and 57 inches, inside spread is 44 inches.
The bull was killed pursuant to "fair chase" standards and in compliance with all WDF&G rules and regulations. More information will be forthcoming after the 60 day B&C waiting period.
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Gorgeous bull!!! Congrats Dan!!!!
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awesome bull!! I wonder if he had any more growing that he could have done in the future, super heavy.
Tank for sure.
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:yike: wow, great bull, congrats to him
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AWESOME! Congrats! Thanks for the pics Legacy. Very Nice Mr. Agnew!
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:drool: WOW!! Outstanding :yike:
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Didn't he get the tag last year as well and shoot a monster?
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Isn't that the same guy who got that masher bull in '08? Nice bull thanks for the picture. Like to hear the story.
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Isn't that the same guy who got that masher bull in '08? Nice bull thanks for the picture. Like to hear the story.
yes that is him.
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I don't understand the Gov. tag. Is that bull somewhere where joe blow didn't have access to him? Sure would have been a shame to see a guy with a $40 over the counter tag get a bull like that. :rolleyes:
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What a bull!! he has it all.
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DAMN!!! AWESOME BULL! Man, He's now got two of the biggest bulls to ever wander this state. CONGRATS!
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DAMN! Thats a PIG!
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:drool: Awesome looking bull. Sure looks green out in those hills. :P
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monster bull! congrats :drool:
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dang nice bull i would have shot one with longer main beams though :chuckle:
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dang nice bull i would have shot one with longer main beams though :chuckle:
Like 62 and 60 :chuckle:
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dang nice bull i would have shot one with longer main beams though :chuckle:
Like 62 and 60 :chuckle:
thats what i was thinking :chuckle:
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A jaw dropper for sure. Sweet!
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Wow, wow, wow.
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Wow, it has everything. beam length, tine length, width, mass. It would be interesting to know how old of a bull it was.
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Awesome bull. :P
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Wow, great bull.
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Another masher to add to his all ready impressive collection.
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Anyone know what unit?
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WOW WOW WOW!!! I cant hink of anything else to say.
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Another monster blues bull. Congrats :IBCOOL:
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That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
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What a pig! Another fine trophy for Agnew!
MS
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That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
Not sure where the money ends up, but if it goes back into wildlife, I think that is pretty generous for him to put up that kind of money year after year. I don't even think he is in Washington, I think he is from Oregon.
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Wow :yike:
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How does someone get the Governer's Tag?
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What a pig!
That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
Not sure where the money ends up, but if it goes back into wildlife, I think that is pretty generous for him to put up that kind of money year after year. I don't even think he is in Washington, I think he is from Oregon.
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http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/faq.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/faq.html)
How were the proceeds used?
By law, the revenue from a particular species auction and raffle tags must be spent on management of that species. Given that, the expenditures (since July 1999) for deer and elk have been marked for special projects, including a buck mortality study on black-tailed deer, investigations of deer hair loss syndrome, elk augmentations, elk carry-capacity study, and elk calf survival investigations. Expenditures for bighorn sheep, moose, and mountain goats has been primarily for annual surveys for these species (83%), with smaller costs associated with special research projects (8%) and raffle tag marketing (9%).
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The same guy, same tag and monster elk again - wow.
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That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
These money comments are getting really old.
Say it is in the blues, it was after archery season as I gather. There were likely some folks down there with archery bull tags that didn't get it. They had a chance first.
So what's the deal? The state gets some money, The guides get some money, The guy gets a nice bull. Some of you make it sound like poaching or illegal activity. Geez
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds to me like maybe you should find a better paying job so you can donate to a good cause and break the state record every year with fair chase bulls. :twocents:
There is nothing high fence about the elk in the blues. Get a clue.
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I am jealous, but I would be doing the same thing if I had disposable income!! Great bull! :drool:
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
You just dont see the point do you????
Someone should try to grow up and understand the benefits this tag has to the state and ALL the hunters.
You just dont get it. :bash:
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
oh and buying your hunting license every year is paying for a deer/elk too by the way. Your just not donating as much as the gov tag guys.
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Elk farm huh....does seem like there is any fences around there to me.
If someone can afford to buy governors tags more power too them. Would you rather they spend their money on anti-hunting legislation?
More money to the state means more money put into wildlife.
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
Pay attention now...This is what helps to keep the price of our licenses and tags down. The money from these tags goes directly back to the wildlife of this state. Several archery hunters have had the same opportunity as Mr. Agnew, A raffle tag hunter and an Incentive tag hunter could have also killed this bull. They all could have started hunting 20 days before this bull was killed. If you don't like these Auction tags, then maybe you wouldn't mind paying a lot more for your license? Please let us know...
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Im pretty sure thats a Blue Mountain Utah bull, not a Blue's Bull from washington :chuckle: Washington doesnt have bulls that big.
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The governors tags - I have concluded they will never please everyone but they have some merit. I figure someone with that money could easily take it to Alaska, hire a guide, plane and outfit himself quite nicely to tag anything he wants. When considering that fact I don't have a problem if people with that disposable income have a chance at one bull a year. It's not as if they took out the entire herd. Also, there is some truth to the fact that archery elk was recently open in many parts of the state and it is likely that this bull could have been harvested with an over the counter tag by a resident. There is opportunity for the common man. Although not equal - it is there.
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Another great bull... Props to the crew that put Mr. Agnew on that bull. Hopefully the state puts every penny of that tag to good use. I really wish everyone would quit giving this guy a hard time. Jackelope pretty much summed it up, these auction/raffle tags have their place in the system. I think the real issue here is that we are all a bit jeleaous and wish we could afford to buy these tags every year, I know that I am.
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that thing is a monster!!!!
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I think most bitching is a case of envy... I know i wish i had the kind of $$$ it takes to buy the tag, hire the guides and take the time off to slaughter a GINORMOUS bull! I like the idea of the GOV tag..... I just don't trust the WDFW or the GOV to do much meaning full with it... Unless $$$ is in DEDICATED funds it is not guaranteed to go where it is supposed to.. Lotto money was supposed to go to schools, Certain tax hikes to specific projects.... Even dedicated funds are not REALLY dedicated... just take a look at what the Governor did to the license plate fees... they kept the fees but deducted that amount from the WDFW budget.... $$$ and politicians are like dangling an 8ball in front of a crack addict.. they cannot/will not say no!
Kudos to they guy for killing an awsome bull... Just think if we had some sound MGT in this state we could have a great rep like MT,UT,ID WY or other states... :twocents:
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. Also, there is some truth to the fact that archery elk was recently open in many parts of the state and it is likely that this bull could have been harvested with an over the counter tag by a resident. There is opportunity for the common man. Although not equal - it is there.
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There is nothing but truth that this bull could have been killed by any of the special permit archery tag holders. Not OTC though.
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Jackelope,
this is how it all starts with money and putting a value on an animal. If anything it will make hunting more expensive than it already is. If that is not case then why do people but land and then CHARGE people to hunt on it.... its all about money. For what, elk with big horns... way over rated in my book.
lets look at baseball for an example. Ever since "WE" being the fans paid Alex Rodriguez 250 million dollars, the price of going to see a game in person costs the average joe well over a 100.00 bucks.......... now all I am saying is that we are putting a price on going hunting for a animal with big horns. Is this ethical???? not in my book it aint. What are we suppose to tell our kids? " well if we were rich we could go shoot a big one, but since we are not we must kill the little ones.. Bull SHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and as for the price of our tags going up? they will go up no matter what we do as hunters..no matter what............
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. Also, there is some truth to the fact that archery elk was recently open in many parts of the state and it is likely that this bull could have been harvested with an over the counter tag by a resident. There is opportunity for the common man. Although not equal - it is there.
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There is nothing but truth that this bull could have been killed by any of the special permit archery tag holders. Not OTC though.
I guess that depends on where it was killed.
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The money goes back into wildlife and goes to help us HUNTERS. Great bull! Would like to be rich so i can buy the Gov. tag one time.
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Nice bull. Congrats on the kill :tup:
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow...what's the problem there 300. Other people had a crack at that bull too like jackelope mentioned. If you would have drawn the permit or incentive tag it could very well have been you. But you would have had to PAY for a tag. What's the difference.....he just pays a lot more. He bought ONE tag and filled ONE tag. In that respect that is the same as you or me. If it's not your thing then don't buy the goveners tag. Don't have to jump on a fellow hunter and sportsmen for doing something perfectly legal just because you can't do it or don't agree.
You can kill a big one in this state, every year if you scouted and put in time. It is not just for the rich That is something Dan does not have.
Congrats Dan on another beautiful bull
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yep one hunter one tag!!!!!!! Now think about the guy who has bought an elk tag all his life and all he has ever shot were small bulls at best. IF this big bull wasn't bought and paid for. Maybe the common man would have found him and killed him. Who do you think would be more excited ? The rich guy? Or the guy who has busted his azz without PAID GUIDES to find this animal.
Dont get me wrong that I love the fact the money is well used? (MAYBE) Just dont like the fact that we as residents of washington state sell and elk every year. Yes it is just one, but last time I checked we dont have a lot of elk like some other western states......
this thread just goes to show that as you call them "sportsman" put a price on a BULL ELKS horns??????? hmmmm ever wonder why we have poaching? maybe its becuse the horns are worth so much these days.....................
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another fine bull!
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300magman I hear your argument and have heard similar ones many times. I believe in short it is a reasonable compromise to permit this because the impact is very low on elk numbers when considering the entire state, the revenue generated is very high and that it also can contribute to local economy such as outfitters or guides who share similar interests with me on many political levels as well as conservation interests.
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Wow :drool:
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300magman I hear your argument and have heard similar ones many times. I believe in short it is a reasonable compromise to permit this because the impact is very low on elk numbers when considering the entire state, the revenue generated is very high and that it also can contribute to local economy such as outfitters or guides who share similar interests with me on many political levels as well as conservation interests.
:yeah:
The good out weighs the bad
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
You just dont see the point do you????
Someone should try to grow up and understand the benefits this tag has to the state and ALL the hunters.
You just dont get it. :bash:
Theyre all opinions, perhaps people shouldnt get worked up over them....
Its a monster, and sure, everyone else had an opportunity at it, but as the tag goes, why not give another Washintonian the tag? Yes, the money goes to a great cause, but at least it wouldnt go to a non-res (over and over)
3 years in a row should be enough.. :twocents:
That being said, Congrats Mr. Agnew, that bulls just ridiculous!
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That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
Just as nice as being able to afford anything else in life. We all live as we can afford.
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
You just dont see the point do you????
Someone should try to grow up and understand the benefits this tag has to the state and ALL the hunters.
You just dont get it. :bash:
Theyre all opinions, perhaps people shouldnt get worked up over them....
Its a monster, and sure, everyone else had an opportunity at it, but as the tag goes, why not give another Washintonian the tag? Yes, the money goes to a great cause, but at least it wouldnt go to a non-res (over and over)
3 years in a row should be enough.. :twocents:
That being said, Congrats Mr. Agnew, that bulls just ridiculous!
The incentive tagholder and the raffle tag holders all have the same opportunity as Mr. Agnew did to kill this bull. The difference is Mr. Agnew had a guide and really thats about it. Heck the incentive tag guy could have been hunting this bull and didn't even seem to know that he could have been.
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Everyone needs to remember Its just one bull!! There are big bulls throughout the state! It's not like he killed the only one in Washington. More power to him. Again, he's donating a lot of money to go hunt fair chase. Not to mention helping one or two families along the way by hiring help.
MS
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
You just dont see the point do you????
Someone should try to grow up and understand the benefits this tag has to the state and ALL the hunters.
You just dont get it. :bash:
Theyre all opinions, perhaps people shouldnt get worked up over them....
Its a monster, and sure, everyone else had an opportunity at it, but as the tag goes, why not give another Washintonian the tag? Yes, the money goes to a great cause, but at least it wouldnt go to a non-res (over and over)
3 years in a row should be enough.. :twocents:
That being said, Congrats Mr. Agnew, that bulls just ridiculous!
The incentive tagholder and the raffle tag holders all have the same opportunity as Mr. Agnew did to kill this bull. The difference is Mr. Agnew had a guide and really thats about it. Heck the incentive tag guy could have been hunting this bull and didn't even seem to know that he could have been.
good point... so whats the difference between his tag and the other incentives?
...and who was his guide?!
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People aren't worked up about the tag, they're worked up because he could afford to hire a dedicated guide to hunt this down for him, the gov. tag just opened up some more GMU potential. Probably would still moan about it if he took a Rosie elk out of the peninsula where an OTC tag literally could harvest the same bull.
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maybe he will go for a rosie next year.
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RE-RUN >:( Money is evil >:( we don't have it, he does! that's what this boils down to! this post really went the wrong way AGAIN :bash: it a great bull and congrats to him (Mr. Agnew) If I was in his shoes I would be doing the same thing, and so would most of us if you say you wouldn't then I might have to call you a liar :twocents: that's one bull! and the money it generates is awesome (there is one out there bigger) I'm sure of it! I would sacrifice a couple more to keep this section of the state fundage in the + column! You have a debate about it there will be a state meeting this spring like there is every year,it is for debating issue like this you all welcome to join! :hello:
Oh yeah I almost forgot the bugger bull (s) they are in the cascades just out of Yakima :chuckle:
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Well said 400, including the location of the REALLY big ones
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I admit that if someone was to bag that same elk without all the money invested and without external resources, I would hold the harvest and experience in much higher admiration.
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If you have the $$$ and the time to dedicate huge amounts of time into hunting a big bull, then $$$ isn't a limiting factor for you... almost the same as being rich... Most people have either time.... Or money... You tend to sacrifice one for the other. Unless you have gobs of cash like Paris Hilton (That you inherited)
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I admit that if someone was to bag that same elk without all the money invested and without external resources, I would hold the harvest and experience in much higher admiration.
I agree with Ray. I also see both sides of the argument here. First off, congrats to Mr. Agnew on a fine bull. Second, it was fair chase, no fences or private property. I do however agree that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport. I am not a rich man, and I feel it more and more every year. But, we live in a capitalist country, and to protect our hunting heritage and rights, the people with money had to get involved. I for one am torn, because it does seem like it takes money to kill a trophy animal, but every year, some average guy that works his butt off kills exceptional trophy's. Let's face it, we can't all kill trophy animals, they are few and far between.
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At one time his last bull and this one were standing side by side each other on a friends property. COOL to see. I assume it was this one anyway. Close enough. PROBABLY why Dan came back to hunt.
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Everyone needs to remember Its just one bull!! There are big bulls throughout the state! It's not like he killed the only one in Washington. More power to him. Again, he's donating a lot of money to go hunt fair chase. Not to mention helping one or two families along the way by hiring help
p.s. There is one more BIGGER in the same generality that Dan tried for but couldn't get permission to hunt. I think someone has a tag and has a shot at him though. ;)
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Shame to see this guy buying these monster bulls where I grew up hunting
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Personally, if I ended up with this tag, I would just shoot a cow so as not to upset anybody.
WTF? If you don't like it then blame the system that makes this possible. The dude has the money, acquired the tag and shot a nice bull. As far as I know, he followed all the rules and regulations that go into getting this tag. Good for him. If I had that kind of money I'd probably do the same thing.
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What a tank. And it's good to know these big boys are still out there and available on public land...
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Jackelope,
this is how it all starts with money and putting a value on an animal. If anything it will make hunting more expensive than it already is. If that is not case then why do people but land and then CHARGE people to hunt on it.... its all about money. For what, elk with big horns... way over rated in my book.
If elk with big horns are overrated, then you should be ABSOLUTELY STOKED that some crazy guy from Oregon donates $50K every year to your state for one measly elk!
Just to be clear, I personally would gladly buy governors' tags given the resources. I actually hope that the publicity from these bulls increases the going auction rate, since we all benefit from the proceeds. I also do not think these bulls will alter the general draw odds given the significant barriers to entry.
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Everyone needs to remember Its just one bull!! There are big bulls throughout the state! It's not like he killed the only one in Washington. More power to him. Again, he's donating a lot of money to go hunt fair chase. Not to mention helping one or two families along the way by hiring help
p.s. There is one more BIGGER in the same generality that Dan tried for but couldn't get permission to hunt. I think someone has a tag and has a shot at him though. ;)
2 guys and they both have rifle tags ;)
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At one time his last bull and this one were standing side by side each other on a friends property. COOL to see. I assume it was this one anyway. Close enough. PROBABLY why Dan came back to hunt.
not too sure of that...
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Everyone needs to remember Its just one bull!! There are big bulls throughout the state! It's not like he killed the only one in Washington. More power to him. Again, he's donating a lot of money to go hunt fair chase. Not to mention helping one or two families along the way by hiring help
p.s. There is one more BIGGER in the same generality that Dan tried for but couldn't get permission to hunt. I think someone has a tag and has a shot at him though. ;)
I think the hood is going to be crowded :(
hopefully they can hideout like they did last year.
2 guys and they both have rifle tags ;)
I think the hood is going to be crowded :(
hopefully they can hideout like they did last year.
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DANG! that thing is a beast! i would love to just see one of those some day. was his last huge one a non-typical? because that would be awesome to have a monster typical and a monster non-typical. Congrats Mr. Agnew, and thank you for the income to our state... now lets hope it is used for the right things.
Has it even been confirmed that he is from Oregon or is that just someones thought?
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last one...
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another great bull, but hes nowhere near the size of the hanford bull in my opinion :IBCOOL:
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Here's another on his wall...not too shabby.
http://club.kingsoutdoorworld.com/gallery/2003/gallery_ek1103.shtml (http://club.kingsoutdoorworld.com/gallery/2003/gallery_ek1103.shtml)
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DANG! that thing is a beast! i would love to just see one of those some day. was his last huge one a non-typical? because that would be awesome to have a monster typical and a monster non-typical. Congrats Mr. Agnew, and thank you for the income to our state... now lets hope it is used for the right things.
Has it even been confirmed that he is from Oregon or is that just someones thought?
I thought Dan Agnew was from Centralia, WA. Is this a different Dan Agnew or the same for those that are saying he is a non-resident. I don't know him, just know of him. So entirely possible that I have the wrong person. Could someone confirm?
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He is from Centralia.
You can google his name and find all kinds of info if you want to.
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http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx (http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx)
every time you buy a beer in oregon or eastern wa dude gets paid...
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WOW what a monster :drool: Congrats to the hunter
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He is from Centralia.
You can google his name and find all kinds of info if you want to.
thank you i thought i had heard that he was from wa. Glad theres one less thing for people to complain about.
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http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx (http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx)
every time you buy a beer in oregon or eastern wa dude gets paid...
well then , i guess over the years i have paid for a few hunts for him :chuckle: i ll drink to that :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Everyone needs to remember Its just one bull!! There are big bulls throughout the state! It's not like he killed the only one in Washington. More power to him. Again, he's donating a lot of money to go hunt fair chase. Not to mention helping one or two families along the way by hiring help
p.s. There is one more BIGGER in the same generality that Dan tried for but couldn't get permission to hunt. I think someone has a tag and has a shot at him though. ;)
I think the hood is going to be crowded :(
hopefully they can hideout like they did last year.
2 guys and they both have rifle tags ;)
I think the hood is going to be crowded :(
hopefully they can hideout like they did last year.
The two guys im talking about are locals and are friends with said local land owner ;)
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All I can say is that if I had the money to throw at the Gov/Auction tag I would do it in a heartbeat!! No jealousy here....just simple envy!
I already said it once but it's worth saying again....AWESOME BULL!!!!!!!
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I used to be against the gov tag thing until I realized something.
These tags cost a lot of money and that money goes to the states wildlife funding, therefore helping us regular guys out. Also, You cant say that it wasnt fair chase hunt, or that it was an easy hunt because he paid a bunch of money to have the best tag in the state. Just because someone says it on the internet doesnt mean its true... and lastly, he is just a guy that like to kill big bulls, and has the opportunity to do so, can you blame him?
Congrats on another smoker bull Mr. Agnew
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BEAUTIFUL BULL! :drool: don't really have an opinion on the gov. tag. I guess I'll take the good with the bad; sit back and wait for my chance at a monster bull. ;)
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i look at it this way. at least he is giving his money to wdfw. now they have more $$$$$$$ TO PISS AWAY. thanks for the pics and AWESOME BULL DAN. and crew, you know who you are great job men.
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I have heard he also buys the New Mexico govtag ? Great bull, great guides ! :twocents:
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Can someone that knows Mr. Agnew please tell him I need him as a customer PLEASE , pretty please ;)
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So where are the pics of the 2010 bull???? :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
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So where are the pics of the 2010 bull???? :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
ummm...page 1
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:chuckle:
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That is one big damn elk! In my dreams I have shot at one just like him many nights :chuckle: In all seriousness though, there are a LOT of big animals in Washington, elk and deer and we have an amazing resource right out our back doors. The problem for most of us is that we juggle work/social life/family and hunting and just don't have the time to put in the effort it requires. If I had the money I would be all over it.
Besides I would rather see someone shoot the bull and pay $50K for it than see it poached or otherwise mysteriously disappear.
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Beautiful bull congrats!
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Monster! Awesome...congrats!
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http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx (http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx)
every time you buy a beer in oregon or eastern wa dude gets paid...
I initially thought it was a different Dan Agnew. I saw that link as well. The Dan Agnew I was thinking of is president of The Agnew Company, which is primarily a timberland ownership Company and owned much of the land around the Centralia Steam Plant / Coal Mine operated by TransAlta. I think much of his money was made by timber dollars and mine / mineral leases, etc.
So upon further research it appears to be the same Dan J Agnew that is involved in both the beverage distributor as well as the Timber company.
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So he should host a hunters pikanick and supply the elk steaks and beer... :chuckle:
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Sweet Bull!! Congrats Dan and thanks for all you do for WDFW. Just glad to hear ir wasn't the bull I have been watching! :brew:
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[/Sweet Bull!! Congrats Dan and thanks for all you do for WDFW. Just glad to hear ir wasn't the bull I have been watching! quote]
What tag do you have?
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Congrats to Mr Agnew, Awesome bull and thanks for putting your money to a good cause!
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WOW fantastic bull congrats dan agnew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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[/Sweet Bull!! Congrats Dan and thanks for all you do for WDFW. Just glad to hear ir wasn't the bull I have been watching! quote]
What tag do you have?
I'm not for sure! but I know he's been watching your journal pretty close :chuckle: :chuckle: JK Ross
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As long as the $$ is going where its supposed to be, its a good program. As for Dans hunting "prowess" I think about anybody could drop the hammer and kill one of these big bulls with the help he's getting. This is a great example of proper wildlife management at its finest in my opinion, kudo's to WDFW. Also, as said in one of my prior posts, the real credit goes to the guides. I left one of ems house monday morning about 10:30, 6 hours before this bull was killed. They looked like a couple starved out dogs, sick and run ragged from endless hours behind the wheel, glass, worn out boots, etc. The funny thing is, neither want their names mentioned, or picks posted. Thats true passion!! Great work guys.
Later
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I initially thought it was a different Dan Agnew. I saw that link as well. The Dan Agnew I was thinking of is president of The Agnew Company, which is primarily a timberland ownership Company and owned much of the land around the Centralia Steam Plant / Coal Mine operated by TransAlta. I think much of his money was made by timber dollars and mine / mineral leases, etc.
So upon further research it appears to be the same Dan J Agnew that is involved in both the beverage distributor as well as the Timber company.
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Yeah you are correct, he made alot of money off of coal royalties, although they no longer mine in centralia.
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He was born into money, goes a few generations back. His forester told me once, Dan makes more money off the mineral rights from the mine, than if he logged the whole tree farm, in old growth timber!!! And its a good sized chunck of land....
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wow
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So call it coincidence or what but was watching my Dvr hunting shows when on Boone and Crockett country they are talking about their banquet they had this year. And wouldn't you know it they interview Dan Agnew. Seemed liked a nice guy. Really pointed out that He does this for the money to go back into mangement. I like him better already. Maybe I can convince him since he has so much money to buy me the tag next year :chuckle:
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I call 2012!
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That is a great elk! Thank you Mr Agnew for spending the $ to get this tag and helping our wildlife! Now that being said as far as the hunt goes there is hunting and there is killing! My boys and I hunt in washington when we go to Wyoming next week we will be killing. This bull may have been on public land for all to take but I have a feeling at day break of that "hunt" they did not "hunt" this animal it was just killed. Anyone can be a great "killer" for the right amount of $ But you have to work hard be a great hunter. :twocents:
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What a great bull. Thanks for supporting the WDFW.
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im gonna say congrats to Mr. Agnew and im also gonna say i believe he is a hunter just like the rest of us and he proves that he can get it done also. you have to be able to make the shot at the end of the day and thats what he did. if i had the money i'd do exactly what he did to be able to take an animal like that.
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Does anyone know if the auction tags are tax deductible like a donation?
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That is a great elk! Thank you Mr Agnew for spending the $ to get this tag and helping our wildlife! Now that being said as far as the hunt goes there is hunting and there is killing! My boys and I hunt in washington when we go to Wyoming next week we will be killing. This bull may have been on public land for all to take but I have a feeling at day break of that "hunt" they did not "hunt" this animal it was just killed. Anyone can be a great "killer" for the right amount of $ But you have to work hard be a great hunter. :twocents:
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Very well put!!
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Awesome bull, congratulations to Dan and to his guides, excellent bull.
The only thing I see that's disgusting is the jealousy. I am really sorry to see that. I bet half the guys who complain about non-residents have hunted or fished out of state themselves. Half the guys who complain that he was guided have had help with a hunt or fished on a charter boat, etc. I'm just sorry to see the poor sportsmanship. As several have pointed out, this was a public land bull that some archers or the raffle winner had an equal opportunity to hunt. They could have also hired a guide to help if they had desired. :twocents:
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Awesome bull, congratulations to Dan and to his guides, excellent bull.
The only thing I see that's disgusting is the jealousy. I am really sorry to see that. I bet half the guys who complain about non-residents have hunted or fished out of state themselves. Half the guys who complain that he was guided have had help with a hunt or fished on a charter boat, etc. I'm just sorry to see the poor sportsmanship. As several have pointed out, this was a public land bull that some archers or the raffle winner had an equal opportunity to hunt. They could have also hired a guide to help if they had desired. :twocents:
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Awesome bull, congratulations to Dan and to his guides, excellent bull.
The only thing I see that's disgusting is the jealousy. I am really sorry to see that. I bet half the guys who complain about non-residents have hunted or fished out of state themselves. Half the guys who complain that he was guided have had help with a hunt or fished on a charter boat, etc. I'm just sorry to see the poor sportsmanship. As several have pointed out, this was a public land bull that some archers or the raffle winner had an equal opportunity to hunt. They could have also hired a guide to help if they had desired. :twocents:
I agree.
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Does anyone know if the auction tags are tax deductible like a donation?
I was wondering the same thing.
MS
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Awesome bull, congratulations to Dan and to his guides, excellent bull.
The only thing I see that's disgusting is the jealousy. I am really sorry to see that. I bet half the guys who complain about non-residents have hunted or fished out of state themselves. Half the guys who complain that he was guided have had help with a hunt or fished on a charter boat, etc. I'm just sorry to see the poor sportsmanship. As several have pointed out, this was a public land bull that some archers or the raffle winner had an equal opportunity to hunt. They could have also hired a guide to help if they had desired. :twocents:
Well put Bearpaw.
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Who cares? Nobody is right or wrong, its just opinions
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Man thats a nice one. I'm glad that the money came into the state and that are state can produce bulls like this. Jealousy is going to be there with a animal of this class but it was done right and there will be more bulls of this class out there.
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lot of guys are saying that other permit holders had the same opportunity to kill this bull, but I don't think most of the other guys had as many people helping them or don't think there bow's can shoot quite as far as Mr. Agnew's rifle. Yes, I'm assuming he shot it with his rifle. Mark me down as one of the jealous guys, very nice bull. If I had the money I'd buy it every year. What ever happend when the 08' bull he shot was with guides in an area that no guides were licensed to be in? Anyway, another bull of a lifetime.
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lot of guys are saying that other permit holders had the same opportunity to kill this bull, but I don't think most of the other guys had as many people helping them or don't think there bow's can shoot quite as far as Mr. Agnew's rifle. Yes, I'm assuming he shot it with his rifle. Mark me down as one of the jealous guys, very nice bull. If I had the money I'd buy it every year. What ever happend when the 08' bull he shot was with guides in an area that no guides were licensed to be in? Anyway, another bull of a lifetime.
http://www.biggameawards.com/?p=245 (http://www.biggameawards.com/?p=245)
This one that was in Boone & Crocket. I don't actually know what happened, but it seems like there was a lot fo miss-information shared that changed everytime the story got to a new person. There may have been more of an outcome, but I never heard about it.
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Isn't mntcook the only licensed outfitter in the Blues?
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Isn't mntcook the only licensed outfitter in the Blues?
I have no idea. Mtncook would be able to tell us.
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Beautiful bull.
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i think they got some kind of temp. permit to guide????????
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I am not positive but someone told me that washington does not require a permit to guide only outfit. :dunno:
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I am not positive but someone told me that washington does not require a permit to guide only outfit. :dunno:
...Is that what your guide told you...? :chuckle: JK
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Isn't mntcook the only licensed outfitter in the Blues?
pretty sure he is the only licensed guide or outfitter in the Wenaha Tucannon wilderness.
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Wik's and Burn's have the other two licensed areas in the Blues.
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yep one hunter one tag!!!!!!! Now think about the guy who has bought an elk tag all his life and all he has ever shot were small bulls at best. IF this big bull wasn't bought and paid for. Maybe the common man would have found him and killed him. Who do you think would be more excited ? The rich guy? Or the guy who has busted his azz without PAID GUIDES to find this animal.
Dont get me wrong that I love the fact the money is well used? (MAYBE) Just dont like the fact that we as residents of washington state sell and elk every year. Yes it is just one, but last time I checked we dont have a lot of elk like some other western states......
this thread just goes to show that as you call them "sportsman" put a price on a BULL ELKS horns??????? hmmmm ever wonder why we have poaching? maybe its becuse the horns are worth so much these days.....................
You sound like your on crank for one
Secondly you would do the same thing if you had the money to put up as well.. It was probably hard earned money. i dont know the tag holder but money usually doesnt show up on your front porch and offer to stay a while. :twocents:
Chelada man
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That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
Not sure where the money ends up, but if it goes back into wildlife, I think that is pretty generous for him to put up that kind of money year after year. I don't even think he is in Washington, I think he is from Oregon.
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He is from Centralia Washington, but now lives in Vancouver WA..
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BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
You dont know what your talking about there guy.. He is from Centralia Wa and now lives in Vancouver.. You should no what your talking about before you talk $hit.. Dude shot a nice bull, if you had the money you would too... Dont get pissy cause you cant get it done...
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Attached are two pictures of the auction tag bull killed by Dan Agnew in the Blue Mountains on Monday, 9/20 (the day after archery season). The bull is a 6 x 7 with an estimated gross score of 428 and an estimated net score of 409. The main beams are 59 and 57 inches, inside spread is 44 inches.
The bull was killed pursuant to "fair chase" standards and in compliance with all WDF&G rules and regulations. More information will be forthcoming after the 60 day B&C waiting period. (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=57440.0;attach=116094;image)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=57440.0;attach=116095;image)
Nice job. I'll drink to that. :brew:
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That is a great elk! Thank you Mr Agnew for spending the $ to get this tag and helping our wildlife! Now that being said as far as the hunt goes there is hunting and there is killing! My boys and I hunt in washington when we go to Wyoming next week we will be killing. This bull may have been on public land for all to take but I have a feeling at day break of that "hunt" they did not "hunt" this animal it was just killed. Anyone can be a great "killer" for the right amount of $ But you have to work hard be a great hunter. :twocents:
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Very well put!!
And a 2nd :yeah:. Yes, my opinion; I don't care if you have all the money in the world, or struggle to provide for your family every day, I hold hunting and killing in different regard.
Ras
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My only thoughts this time around for this gentleman is.................... Thanks for using a picture with just himself and the animal and not like last year with the posse of guides,scouts, babysitters etc. in it.
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Wik's and Burn's have the other two licensed areas in the Blues.
I'm assuming his guide was Wik again?
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I'm really tired of money bags, and his stupid grin. A spike is more of a trophy, if you actually hunt it yourself. What's his money going towards, another face lift for our Gov, Skeletor?
If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
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Wik's and Burn's have the other two licensed areas in the Blues.
I'm assuming his guide was Wik again?
Negative.
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What does how much money someone has/make do with whether there a "real" hunter or not?
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So you know him? Again how does the amount of money someone have make them a "real" hunter or not?
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So you know him? Again how does the amount of money someone have make them a "real" hunter or not?
There are hunters, and then there are guys who hire guides to hold there hand. They are not hunters... IMO.
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So you know him? Again how does the amount of money someone have make them a "real" hunter or not?
There are hunters, and then there are guys who hire guides to hold there hand. They are not hunters... IMO.
Sooo everyone who has hired a guide to fish or hunt are non hunters/fisherman??? :bash:
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easy boys or this one will get nuked. i do agree that this type of hunt is more of a shoot then a hunt. he only pulls the trigger and pays the bills. but so what its his deal. i have done plenty of guided hunts and since i am a outfitter i have problems with people saying that you are not a hunter if you have a guide. that is just not true. some cases yes like this but just because you use a guide does not mean you can not hunt :bash:
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I'm really tired of money bags, and his stupid grin. A spike is more of a trophy, if you actually hunt it yourself. What's his money going towards, another face lift for our Gov, Skeletor?
If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
:yeah:Now that's funny.
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Sooo everyone who has hired a guide to fish or hunt are non hunters/fisherman??? :bash:
Yep.
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Ok. Don't go to a restaurant then, because that means you can't cook.
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Sooo everyone who has hired a guide to fish or hunt are non hunters/fisherman??? :bash:
Yep.
so lets say i am a fishing guide in AK and i go to Costa rica and hire3 a guide on vacation . I am no longer a fisherman right ? When i go back to AK am i a fisherman again ? im so confused :dunno:
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I thought the skelator remark was funny, not the if you need a guide your not a hunter remark. I did a guided hunt in Canada once, of course it took a couple years to save the money and I would consider myself a real hunter. But I do hear your point. I heard back when he killed the 08 bull that he flew in the day he shot it, took some pic's and flew out. If that is anywhere near the truth, then he is not a real hunter.
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To each his own, in my opinion there is no reason to ever hire a guide... and I never will. If my opinion offends you, I'm sure your guide will hold you while you cry. :chuckle:
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yep that is right to each there own. i guess you never plan on going to Africa or places were you need to hunt with a licensed p.h or guide just to be able to hunt. or a disabled hunter that hires a guide to get out into the outdoors. not a hunter :bash: i just don't understand the point. if i hire a taxi to drive me to a show, i can't drive :dunno: :chuckle:
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:cryriver: :stup: :beatdeadhorse: enough already, nice elk congrats
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Like it or not the shot was made the bull went down and his tag went on it. Seems the man has had success and failure so chances are the tag soup he occasionally may eat is a $40,000 donation. Would ya bi##h about average joe just making a 40k donation to hunting and elk management, my understanding of it is that is pretty much what he does and sometimes he gets a nice trophy for it. :twocents: Congrats to him, awesome bull
For all the haters :cryriver:get over it
I know if i could afford to do it i would be all over it
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I've been following the posts here since they started, now I'll put in my comments. The 2010 bull was shot by Agnew, he had set up a group of Scouts to find bulls for his consideration. There are 3 licensed Outfitter/Guides in the Wenaha-Tucannon Wilderness. A special temporary permit was issued to individual to assist Agnews gov. tag. They (Agnew/individual) met with the FS to discuss terms, they were set back by the FS but a permit was issued to hunt/kill 1 bull. The permit was not good for anyother hunter. THe FS called me and gave me the names of the scouts and the second string of scouts if they were needed. The permit had boundries and that was my concern, I was not going to allow them to hunt/scout on me. The FS assured me they were informed of this and the permit holder was in agreement.
Yes I know permit holder and recognize some of the scouts names. This permit was not in the Wenaha/Tucannon wilderness but parts of the adjoining units. There are alot of good hunters that hire Guides/Outfitters, mostly for the access to some great hunting. I have yet to have a guided hunt where we led our hunters by the hand a gave them a set up shot. My clients have all worked their tails off for their tags. Some filled some taken home. Most of my guided big bull tags are people that have never set foot in the unit, we know the animals and where to find them, they are wanting the best chance for these coveted tags. I get alot of calls from DIY guys wanting meat packed and I offer this service. Unless you spend the time scouting this area like we do and know the game a DIY hunt is pretty tough.
Do I support this gov. tag type of hunting?? Like most of you my way of thinking has changed since 2008. I would like to see where the dollars go.
Actual guiding hunters is a small part of my business, I'm really in the transport business of packing in camps, having it all there when the clients arrive and then packing meat and hunters out.
The individuals name on the permit does not start with a W.
mtncook
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I think that is one of the best bulls I have ever seen. I like that bull even better than last years. I cannot imagine what I would do if that bull came in bugling at 30 yards with snot shooting out of his nose, wow! That would be a dream of mine. Congrats to Agnew on my dream bull!
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I'm really tired of money bags, and his stupid grin. A spike is more of a trophy, if you actually hunt it yourself. What's his money going towards, another face lift for our Gov, Skeletor?
If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
I've had a lot of respect for you and the things you've done and accomplished in the past. I think I've even conveyed that to you before....I'm not gonna lie...you saying the crap you're spewing just flushed all that respect I used to have for you down the toilet. I can't seriously believe you would alienate fellow hunters by spewing the crap you are currently spewing.
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I've had a lot of respect for you and the things you've done and accomplished in the past. I think I've even conveyed that to you before....I'm not gonna lie...you saying the crap you're spewing just flushed all that respect I used to have for you down the toilet. I can't seriously believe you would alienate fellow hunters by spewing the crap you are currently spewing.
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I don't think I'll lose any sleep over what you think, just as you shouldn't over my opinion. Agnew is not a hunter, as far as I am concerned. If I bought the Gov. tag. I assure you I would not hire a guide, I would spend time HUNTING the Blues with my hunting buddies, not "hire a group of Scouts to find bulls for his consideration." as mtcook put it. Not sure what part of my opinion you think is crap, but that's ok. I respect you for saying so.
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I've had a lot of respect for you and the things you've done and accomplished in the past. I think I've even conveyed that to you before....I'm not gonna lie...you saying the crap you're spewing just flushed all that respect I used to have for you down the toilet. I can't seriously believe you would alienate fellow hunters by spewing the crap you are currently spewing.
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I don't think I'll lose any sleep over what you think, just as you shouldn't over my opinion. Agnew is not a hunter, as far as I am concerned. If I bought the Gov. tag. I assure you I would not hire a guide, I would spend time HUNTING the Blues with my hunting buddies, not "hire a group of Scouts to find bulls for his consideration." as mtcook put it. Not sure what part of my opinion you think is crap, but that's ok. I respect you for saying so.
Maybe the part when you said that if you hire a guide you are not a hunter. That is a blanket statement that would not go over well with many people. What if you want to go kill a moose in Canada or a griz in AK or a lion in Africa. You would be required to hire a guide to do so.
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some of you guys in here a bunch of :'( your jealous of one that has money and one that has killed bigger bulls than you'll ever see the wild. get over it. good job agnew and thanks for spending the money for the tag seeing how all it will do is help everyone out in the long run.
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some of you guys in here a bunch of :'( your jealous of one that has money and one that has killed bigger bulls than you'll ever see the wild. get over it. good job agnew and thanks for spending the money for the tag seeing how all it will do is help everyone out in the long run.
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OK I know it's off the subject but bone head I would love to see a better view of your profile picture! I have looked and looked Found your wifes Oregon bull ( nice one might I say! ) but hell if I can find that picture! Is it on here? :bash: :bash:
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I wouldn't say good job agnew, I would say good job to all the scouts. I'm sure the scouts worked there butts off, Agnew just probably showed up and pulled the trigger. Mtcook, thanks you answered a lot of questions I was wondering about. Very interesting, I wonder if someone who didn't have lots of money could get a forest service permit like that????
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What makes hunting special is the journey. The ups downs the successes and failures... I don't know his story and don't care! I heard a saying that i would like to share with all of you..." The grass is always greener on the other side because it's fertilized with Bull $hit!" Maybe you HATERS should concentrate on on yourself and why YOU enjoy the hunt.... How you can get more out of the hunt, and the rest of you life! I personally like the quiet hours to reflect, and slow down.... Soak up the sounds of the forest, sun, and the fragrance.... Let my ears clear themselves of the hustle and bustle and focus on the rustle of leave and the inevitable snap of the twig that tells me my prey is near.... I like the cutting of meat, the smell of cooking heart over the fire and the sharing of a cold one after the hunt... That is why I hunt... And I think it is ridiculous for you to waste your time worrying about why the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.. :twocents:
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Here's my :twocents:!
I have absolutely no problem for the guy spending $40K for the tag. The money goes to a good cause and helps us out in the long run. I also do not have a problem with him hiring a guide to help him "Hunt" the elk. However I agree with some I dont think it is hunting when you pay someone else to find the elk for you, take you to that specific elk and then set you up for a shot. This is called shooting! No different then high fence hunting as long as the animal is not spooked or aware that you are there. JMO
As far as this being a elk that any average hunter with a permit or incentive tag could have gotten, well now we find out that is not the case either. As Mtncook stated "They (Agnew/individual) met with the FS to discuss terms, they were set back by the FS but a permit was issued to hunt/kill 1 bull. The permit was not good for any other hunter" The way I read it if this would have been you or me or anyone else this bull would have been offlimits. I'm just curious, how much did he have to pay for the special FS permit.
For those of youo that think this is no big deal, would you feel better if he had shot the Hanford bull and we just found out he was able to get a special permit to go in and hunt it and kill it. A permit that would be next to impossible for the average hunter to get!
Again I could care less how much money this guy has or how much money he spent on the tag. This is not an elk that the average hunter could have harvested. I disagree with the way that is was shot!
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Here's my :twocents:!
I have absolutely no problem for the guy spending $40K for the tag. The money goes to a good cause and helps us out in the long run. I also do not have a problem with him hiring a guide to help him "Hunt" the elk. However I agree with some I dont think it is hunting when you pay someone else to find the elk for you, take you to that specific elk and then set you up for a shot. This is called shooting! No different then high fence hunting as long as the animal is not spooked or aware that you are there. JMO
As far as this being a elk that any average hunter with a permit or incentive tag could have gotten, well now we find out that is not the case either. As Mtncook stated "They (Agnew/individual) met with the FS to discuss terms, they were set back by the FS but a permit was issued to hunt/kill 1 bull. The permit was not good for any other hunter" The way I read it if this would have been you or me or anyone else this bull would have been offlimits. I'm just curious, how much did he have to pay for the special FS permit.
For those of youo that think this is no big deal, would you feel better if he had shot the Hanford bull and we just found out he was able to get a special permit to go in and hunt it and kill it. A permit that would be next to impossible for the average hunter to get!
Again I could care less how much money this guy has or how much money he spent on the tag. This is not an elk that the average hunter could have harvested. I disagree with the way that is was shot!
Well put!
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"They (Agnew/individual) met with the FS to discuss terms, they were set back by the FS but a permit was issued to hunt/kill 1 bull. The permit was not good for any other hunter"
I could be wrong but I took that to mean that the guides that got the permit could not guide to more then one elk.
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"They (Agnew/individual) met with the FS to discuss terms, they were set back by the FS but a permit was issued to hunt/kill 1 bull. The permit was not good for any other hunter"
I could be wrong but I took that to mean that the guides that got the permit could not guide to more then one elk.
That's how I understood it.
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Well if thats the way it was then I guess my opinion changes a "little". I took it the way I posted it.
I still dont call it hunting when you have a dozen people go out and find you animal and sit on it till youo show up to kill it!
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Lock this thread already!!! Lol
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The permit was for one hunter. The individual could not do business with the general public.
Sorry if that was not clear.
mtncook
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I'm really tired of money bags, and his stupid grin. A spike is more of a trophy, if you actually hunt it yourself. What's his money going towards, another face lift for our Gov, Skeletor?
If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
Well looks like you will never hunt Canada then, thats the most arrogant comment i have ever seen posted on here... Lost alot of respect for your post on here now Viking... You think your quit the big shot hunter by the sounds of it..!
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irragant
it's arrogant looks like you lost a lot of respect from people who know how to spell. ;)
FYI, I think I'm an average hunter who likes to get out in the woods and work hard at hunting an animal, without paying someone to do all the work for me. It's my opinion, and I'm sure you all can get over the fact we may have differing opinions.
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So anyway..................... that's one hell of a bull Agnew killed isn't it. Man what a magnificent critter. I bet they were all high fives when that bull hit the dirt. Congrats Mr Dan on the fine bull you killed!!!
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For some reason I can't get my computer to copy but With the saying if you get a guide you are not a hunter is a load of crap.
One like someone said you wont be able to hunt in cananda and there is some great hunting there. Also you will never be able to hunt in a wilderness area in Wyoming.
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If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
I hired a guide once. I guess I'm not a hunter. Oh well. Sucks for me. Maybe I'll be a real hunter someday.
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well said charlie, it is a terrific trophy, congrats to him. i guess all that matters at this point is that Mr. Agnew is happy with his trophy. i certainly would be. this thread will get nuked if some folks dont chill out and that will take the oppurtunity for a lot of folks to look at this impressive animal away without having been the ones to spout off, maybe someone should start another thread for the "guide, no guide" debate and when it gets nuked it wont punish others :twocents:
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irragant
it's arrogant looks like you lost a lot of respect from people who know how to spell. ;)
FYI, I think I'm an average hunter who likes to get out in the woods and work hard at hunting an animal, without paying someone to do all the work for me. It's my opinion, and I'm sure you all can get over the fact we may have differing opinions.
Ya i new miss spelled that when i wrote it, figured you would understand what it meant.. Just thought that was kind of a $hitty post dude.. Your a good hunter, you can generally pick out the real deal on here from the guys who dont know $hit, but that was weak post man... your better then that is all im saying... I had a guide in Canada on my moose hunt, and I would like to consider myself a real hunter.. :twocents: But enough defending Dan, he would just probably laugh at all these posts and sip his whiskey and look at his trophy wall and say Ive killed some big Fuskin Bulls!... That is a great bull..
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Think I would piss myself if I met him in the woods!!! Congrats to our states elk slayer :P
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lot of guys are saying that other permit holders had the same opportunity to kill this bull, but I don't think most of the other guys had as many people helping them or don't think there bow's can shoot quite as far as Mr. Agnew's rifle. Yes, I'm assuming he shot it with his rifle. Mark me down as one of the jealous guys, very nice bull. If I had the money I'd buy it every year. What ever happend when the 08' bull he shot was with guides in an area that no guides were licensed to be in? Anyway, another bull of a lifetime.
http://www.biggameawards.com/?p=245 (http://www.biggameawards.com/?p=245)
This one that was in Boone & Crocket. I don't actually know what happened, but it seems like there was a lot fo miss-information shared that changed everytime the story got to a new person. There may have been more of an outcome, but I never heard about it.
I am not going to get into the whole hunting vs killing thing here but I have read about some of his hunts and he doesn't sound like a bad guy. To me he sounds like a guy with a huge passion for elk, he just has the means of making his dreams reality. Some of the elk he has shot were tough hunts from what I have heard, even with a guide.
If I had his money and spent $40K on a governors tag I don't know what I would do, but spending another $5-10K probably was a small price to pay for finding the best bull for the money.
As far as the 08 bull and his flying in and shooting it, which was the story I always heard, check out the link in the above quote.
Viking, so when I go to Alaska and hunt with my brother as my "guide" and he does the scouting since he lives there, does that mean I am not a "real hunter" really no different than hiring a guide..........
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Viking, so when I go to Alaska and hunt with my brother as my "guide" and he does the scouting since he lives there, does that mean I am not a "real hunter" really no different than hiring a guide..........
Apparently yes it does. I hired a guide once because I wanted to go to Wyoming but not alone and my friends kept bailing. I said screw it and hired a guide. I'm really bummed now that I just found out I'm not a hunter anymore.
Selling everything, go to the classifieds. :'(
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Viking, so when I go to Alaska and hunt with my brother as my "guide" and he does the scouting since he lives there, does that mean I am not a "real hunter" really no different than hiring a guide..........
Selling everything, go to the classifieds. :'(
How much for all of it? :chuckle:
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Need to get enough to buy the Governer's tag for one last hunt. :IBCOOL:
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Done...again...everyone's expressed their opinions.