Post by: Legacy on September 22, 2010, 07:24:45 AM
The bull was killed pursuant to "fair chase" standards and in compliance with all WDF&G rules and regulations. More information will be forthcoming after the 60 day B&C waiting period.
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on September 22, 2010, 07:25:55 AM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on September 22, 2010, 07:31:07 AM
Tank for sure.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 22, 2010, 07:34:01 AM
Post by: yelp on September 22, 2010, 07:41:03 AM
Post by: tshoote30 on September 22, 2010, 07:44:31 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on September 22, 2010, 07:45:30 AM
Post by: PA BEN on September 22, 2010, 07:45:49 AM
Post by: yelp on September 22, 2010, 07:46:27 AM
Isn't that the same guy who got that masher bull in '08? Nice bull thanks for the picture. Like to hear the story.
yes that is him.
Post by: DoubleJ on September 22, 2010, 07:50:55 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on September 22, 2010, 08:02:54 AM
Post by: agchawk on September 22, 2010, 08:04:24 AM
Post by: bucklucky on September 22, 2010, 08:20:43 AM
Post by: Craig on September 22, 2010, 08:22:43 AM
Post by: 400out on September 22, 2010, 08:27:02 AM
Post by: rougheye on September 22, 2010, 08:27:17 AM
Post by: bucklucky on September 22, 2010, 08:31:34 AM
dang nice bull i would have shot one with longer main beams though :chuckle:
Like 62 and 60 :chuckle:
Post by: rougheye on September 22, 2010, 08:34:23 AM
dang nice bull i would have shot one with longer main beams though :chuckle:
Like 62 and 60 :chuckle:
thats what i was thinking :chuckle:
Post by: PolarBear on September 22, 2010, 08:41:54 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on September 22, 2010, 08:44:47 AM
Post by: whacker1 on September 22, 2010, 08:55:41 AM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on September 22, 2010, 08:59:05 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 22, 2010, 09:00:22 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on September 22, 2010, 09:05:17 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 22, 2010, 09:08:12 AM
Post by: wastickslinger on September 22, 2010, 09:10:55 AM
Post by: teal101 on September 22, 2010, 09:16:21 AM
Post by: bowhuntersd on September 22, 2010, 09:25:16 AM
Post by: MuleySniper on September 22, 2010, 09:26:02 AM
MS
Post by: MuleySniper on September 22, 2010, 09:29:45 AM
That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
Not sure where the money ends up, but if it goes back into wildlife, I think that is pretty generous for him to put up that kind of money year after year. I don't even think he is in Washington, I think he is from Oregon.
:twocents:
Post by: SkookumHntr on September 22, 2010, 09:47:25 AM
Post by: k_rex on September 22, 2010, 09:48:00 AM
Post by: Lowedog on September 22, 2010, 09:49:00 AM
That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
Not sure where the money ends up, but if it goes back into wildlife, I think that is pretty generous for him to put up that kind of money year after year. I don't even think he is in Washington, I think he is from Oregon.
:twocents:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/faq.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/faq.html)
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How were the proceeds used?
By law, the revenue from a particular species auction and raffle tags must be spent on management of that species. Given that, the expenditures (since July 1999) for deer and elk have been marked for special projects, including a buck mortality study on black-tailed deer, investigations of deer hair loss syndrome, elk augmentations, elk carry-capacity study, and elk calf survival investigations. Expenditures for bighorn sheep, moose, and mountain goats has been primarily for annual surveys for these species (83%), with smaller costs associated with special research projects (8%) and raffle tag marketing (9%).
Post by: Ray on September 22, 2010, 09:52:06 AM
Post by: quadrafire on September 22, 2010, 09:58:38 AM
That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
These money comments are getting really old.
Say it is in the blues, it was after archery season as I gather. There were likely some folks down there with archery bull tags that didn't get it. They had a chance first.
So what's the deal? The state gets some money, The guides get some money, The guy gets a nice bull. Some of you make it sound like poaching or illegal activity. Geez
Post by: 300magman on September 22, 2010, 10:07:12 AM
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: wastickslinger on September 22, 2010, 10:15:40 AM
BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds to me like maybe you should find a better paying job so you can donate to a good cause and break the state record every year with fair chase bulls. :twocents:
There is nothing high fence about the elk in the blues. Get a clue.
Post by: mtndew on September 22, 2010, 10:16:56 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on September 22, 2010, 10:17:15 AM
BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
You just dont see the point do you????
Someone should try to grow up and understand the benefits this tag has to the state and ALL the hunters.
You just dont get it. :bash:
Post by: wastickslinger on September 22, 2010, 10:17:24 AM
BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
oh and buying your hunting license every year is paying for a deer/elk too by the way. Your just not donating as much as the gov tag guys.
Post by: combs338 on September 22, 2010, 10:17:35 AM
If someone can afford to buy governors tags more power too them. Would you rather they spend their money on anti-hunting legislation?
More money to the state means more money put into wildlife.
Post by: jackelope on September 22, 2010, 10:22:24 AM
BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
Pay attention now...This is what helps to keep the price of our licenses and tags down. The money from these tags goes directly back to the wildlife of this state. Several archery hunters have had the same opportunity as Mr. Agnew, A raffle tag hunter and an Incentive tag hunter could have also killed this bull. They all could have started hunting 20 days before this bull was killed. If you don't like these Auction tags, then maybe you wouldn't mind paying a lot more for your license? Please let us know...
;)
Post by: bucklucky on September 22, 2010, 10:26:36 AM
Post by: Ray on September 22, 2010, 10:27:26 AM
Post by: Holg3107 on September 22, 2010, 10:32:15 AM
Post by: scout88 on September 22, 2010, 10:34:12 AM
Post by: Special T on September 22, 2010, 10:34:58 AM
Kudos to they guy for killing an awsome bull... Just think if we had some sound MGT in this state we could have a great rep like MT,UT,ID WY or other states... :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on September 22, 2010, 10:36:24 AM
. Also, there is some truth to the fact that archery elk was recently open in many parts of the state and it is likely that this bull could have been harvested with an over the counter tag by a resident. There is opportunity for the common man. Although not equal - it is there.
Ray-
There is nothing but truth that this bull could have been killed by any of the special permit archery tag holders. Not OTC though.
Post by: 300magman on September 22, 2010, 10:37:17 AM
this is how it all starts with money and putting a value on an animal. If anything it will make hunting more expensive than it already is. If that is not case then why do people but land and then CHARGE people to hunt on it.... its all about money. For what, elk with big horns... way over rated in my book.
lets look at baseball for an example. Ever since "WE" being the fans paid Alex Rodriguez 250 million dollars, the price of going to see a game in person costs the average joe well over a 100.00 bucks.......... now all I am saying is that we are putting a price on going hunting for a animal with big horns. Is this ethical???? not in my book it aint. What are we suppose to tell our kids? " well if we were rich we could go shoot a big one, but since we are not we must kill the little ones.. Bull SHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and as for the price of our tags going up? they will go up no matter what we do as hunters..no matter what............
Post by: Ray on September 22, 2010, 10:39:01 AM
. Also, there is some truth to the fact that archery elk was recently open in many parts of the state and it is likely that this bull could have been harvested with an over the counter tag by a resident. There is opportunity for the common man. Although not equal - it is there.
Ray-
There is nothing but truth that this bull could have been killed by any of the special permit archery tag holders. Not OTC though.
I guess that depends on where it was killed.
Post by: wsucowboy on September 22, 2010, 10:44:15 AM
Post by: Caseyd on September 22, 2010, 10:45:46 AM
Post by: NWBREW on September 22, 2010, 10:46:19 AM
BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow...what's the problem there 300. Other people had a crack at that bull too like jackelope mentioned. If you would have drawn the permit or incentive tag it could very well have been you. But you would have had to PAY for a tag. What's the difference.....he just pays a lot more. He bought ONE tag and filled ONE tag. In that respect that is the same as you or me. If it's not your thing then don't buy the goveners tag. Don't have to jump on a fellow hunter and sportsmen for doing something perfectly legal just because you can't do it or don't agree.
You can kill a big one in this state, every year if you scouted and put in time. It is not just for the rich That is something Dan does not have.
Congrats Dan on another beautiful bull
Post by: 300magman on September 22, 2010, 11:01:39 AM
Dont get me wrong that I love the fact the money is well used? (MAYBE) Just dont like the fact that we as residents of washington state sell and elk every year. Yes it is just one, but last time I checked we dont have a lot of elk like some other western states......
this thread just goes to show that as you call them "sportsman" put a price on a BULL ELKS horns??????? hmmmm ever wonder why we have poaching? maybe its becuse the horns are worth so much these days.....................
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 22, 2010, 11:04:28 AM
Post by: Ray on September 22, 2010, 11:04:34 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 22, 2010, 11:10:44 AM
Post by: Caseyd on September 22, 2010, 11:16:18 AM
300magman I hear your argument and have heard similar ones many times. I believe in short it is a reasonable compromise to permit this because the impact is very low on elk numbers when considering the entire state, the revenue generated is very high and that it also can contribute to local economy such as outfitters or guides who share similar interests with me on many political levels as well as conservation interests.
:yeah:
The good out weighs the bad
Post by: BlackRidge on September 22, 2010, 11:17:04 AM
BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
You just dont see the point do you????
Someone should try to grow up and understand the benefits this tag has to the state and ALL the hunters.
You just dont get it. :bash:
Theyre all opinions, perhaps people shouldnt get worked up over them....
Its a monster, and sure, everyone else had an opportunity at it, but as the tag goes, why not give another Washintonian the tag? Yes, the money goes to a great cause, but at least it wouldnt go to a non-res (over and over)
3 years in a row should be enough.. :twocents:
That being said, Congrats Mr. Agnew, that bulls just ridiculous!
Post by: KillBilly on September 22, 2010, 11:21:21 AM
That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
Just as nice as being able to afford anything else in life. We all live as we can afford.
Post by: jackelope on September 22, 2010, 11:30:13 AM
BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
You just dont see the point do you????
Someone should try to grow up and understand the benefits this tag has to the state and ALL the hunters.
You just dont get it. :bash:
Theyre all opinions, perhaps people shouldnt get worked up over them....
Its a monster, and sure, everyone else had an opportunity at it, but as the tag goes, why not give another Washintonian the tag? Yes, the money goes to a great cause, but at least it wouldnt go to a non-res (over and over)
3 years in a row should be enough.. :twocents:
That being said, Congrats Mr. Agnew, that bulls just ridiculous!
The incentive tagholder and the raffle tag holders all have the same opportunity as Mr. Agnew did to kill this bull. The difference is Mr. Agnew had a guide and really thats about it. Heck the incentive tag guy could have been hunting this bull and didn't even seem to know that he could have been.
Post by: MuleySniper on September 22, 2010, 11:39:03 AM
MS
Post by: BlackRidge on September 22, 2010, 11:45:29 AM
BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
You just dont see the point do you????
Someone should try to grow up and understand the benefits this tag has to the state and ALL the hunters.
You just dont get it. :bash:
Theyre all opinions, perhaps people shouldnt get worked up over them....
Its a monster, and sure, everyone else had an opportunity at it, but as the tag goes, why not give another Washintonian the tag? Yes, the money goes to a great cause, but at least it wouldnt go to a non-res (over and over)
3 years in a row should be enough.. :twocents:
That being said, Congrats Mr. Agnew, that bulls just ridiculous!
The incentive tagholder and the raffle tag holders all have the same opportunity as Mr. Agnew did to kill this bull. The difference is Mr. Agnew had a guide and really thats about it. Heck the incentive tag guy could have been hunting this bull and didn't even seem to know that he could have been.
good point... so whats the difference between his tag and the other incentives?
...and who was his guide?!
Post by: pods8 on September 22, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
Post by: coachcw on September 22, 2010, 11:49:11 AM
Post by: 400out on September 22, 2010, 11:49:19 AM
Oh yeah I almost forgot the bugger bull (s) they are in the cascades just out of Yakima :chuckle:
Post by: Woodchuck on September 22, 2010, 12:03:01 PM
Post by: Ray on September 22, 2010, 12:18:59 PM
Post by: Special T on September 22, 2010, 12:50:03 PM
Post by: 7mag. on September 22, 2010, 12:50:42 PM
I admit that if someone was to bag that same elk without all the money invested and without external resources, I would hold the harvest and experience in much higher admiration.
I agree with Ray. I also see both sides of the argument here. First off, congrats to Mr. Agnew on a fine bull. Second, it was fair chase, no fences or private property. I do however agree that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport. I am not a rich man, and I feel it more and more every year. But, we live in a capitalist country, and to protect our hunting heritage and rights, the people with money had to get involved. I for one am torn, because it does seem like it takes money to kill a trophy animal, but every year, some average guy that works his butt off kills exceptional trophy's. Let's face it, we can't all kill trophy animals, they are few and far between.
Post by: boneaddict on September 22, 2010, 01:11:56 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 22, 2010, 01:13:58 PM
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Everyone needs to remember Its just one bull!! There are big bulls throughout the state! It's not like he killed the only one in Washington. More power to him. Again, he's donating a lot of money to go hunt fair chase. Not to mention helping one or two families along the way by hiring help
p.s. There is one more BIGGER in the same generality that Dan tried for but couldn't get permission to hunt. I think someone has a tag and has a shot at him though. ;)
Post by: borntoslay on September 22, 2010, 01:56:54 PM
Post by: halflife65 on September 22, 2010, 02:05:52 PM
WTF? If you don't like it then blame the system that makes this possible. The dude has the money, acquired the tag and shot a nice bull. As far as I know, he followed all the rules and regulations that go into getting this tag. Good for him. If I had that kind of money I'd probably do the same thing.
Post by: Skillet on September 22, 2010, 02:06:31 PM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on September 22, 2010, 02:06:40 PM
Jackelope,
this is how it all starts with money and putting a value on an animal. If anything it will make hunting more expensive than it already is. If that is not case then why do people but land and then CHARGE people to hunt on it.... its all about money. For what, elk with big horns... way over rated in my book.
If elk with big horns are overrated, then you should be ABSOLUTELY STOKED that some crazy guy from Oregon donates $50K every year to your state for one measly elk!
Just to be clear, I personally would gladly buy governors' tags given the resources. I actually hope that the publicity from these bulls increases the going auction rate, since we all benefit from the proceeds. I also do not think these bulls will alter the general draw odds given the significant barriers to entry.
Post by: Caseyd on September 22, 2010, 02:09:28 PM
QuoteEveryone needs to remember Its just one bull!! There are big bulls throughout the state! It's not like he killed the only one in Washington. More power to him. Again, he's donating a lot of money to go hunt fair chase. Not to mention helping one or two families along the way by hiring help
p.s. There is one more BIGGER in the same generality that Dan tried for but couldn't get permission to hunt. I think someone has a tag and has a shot at him though. ;)
2 guys and they both have rifle tags ;)
Post by: BLUEBULLS on September 22, 2010, 02:18:49 PM
At one time his last bull and this one were standing side by side each other on a friends property. COOL to see. I assume it was this one anyway. Close enough. PROBABLY why Dan came back to hunt.
not too sure of that...
Post by: BLUEBULLS on September 22, 2010, 02:22:03 PM
QuoteEveryone needs to remember Its just one bull!! There are big bulls throughout the state! It's not like he killed the only one in Washington. More power to him. Again, he's donating a lot of money to go hunt fair chase. Not to mention helping one or two families along the way by hiring help
p.s. There is one more BIGGER in the same generality that Dan tried for but couldn't get permission to hunt. I think someone has a tag and has a shot at him though. ;)
I think the hood is going to be crowded :(
hopefully they can hideout like they did last year.
2 guys and they both have rifle tags ;)
I think the hood is going to be crowded :(
hopefully they can hideout like they did last year.
Post by: the1rod on September 22, 2010, 02:34:18 PM
Has it even been confirmed that he is from Oregon or is that just someones thought?
Post by: jackelope on September 22, 2010, 02:36:40 PM
Post by: squeeze2drop on September 22, 2010, 02:37:57 PM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on September 22, 2010, 02:38:21 PM
http://club.kingsoutdoorworld.com/gallery/2003/gallery_ek1103.shtml (http://club.kingsoutdoorworld.com/gallery/2003/gallery_ek1103.shtml)
Post by: whacker1 on September 22, 2010, 02:48:01 PM
DANG! that thing is a beast! i would love to just see one of those some day. was his last huge one a non-typical? because that would be awesome to have a monster typical and a monster non-typical. Congrats Mr. Agnew, and thank you for the income to our state... now lets hope it is used for the right things.
Has it even been confirmed that he is from Oregon or is that just someones thought?
I thought Dan Agnew was from Centralia, WA. Is this a different Dan Agnew or the same for those that are saying he is a non-resident. I don't know him, just know of him. So entirely possible that I have the wrong person. Could someone confirm?
Post by: jackelope on September 22, 2010, 02:53:30 PM
You can google his name and find all kinds of info if you want to.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on September 22, 2010, 02:58:07 PM
every time you buy a beer in oregon or eastern wa dude gets paid...
Post by: bowhunterforever on September 22, 2010, 03:03:24 PM
Post by: the1rod on September 22, 2010, 03:06:48 PM
He is from Centralia.thank you i thought i had heard that he was from wa. Glad theres one less thing for people to complain about.
You can google his name and find all kinds of info if you want to.
Post by: rougheye on September 22, 2010, 03:08:52 PM
http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx (http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx)
every time you buy a beer in oregon or eastern wa dude gets paid...
well then , i guess over the years i have paid for a few hunts for him :chuckle: i ll drink to that :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Caseyd on September 22, 2010, 03:23:04 PM
QuoteEveryone needs to remember Its just one bull!! There are big bulls throughout the state! It's not like he killed the only one in Washington. More power to him. Again, he's donating a lot of money to go hunt fair chase. Not to mention helping one or two families along the way by hiring help
p.s. There is one more BIGGER in the same generality that Dan tried for but couldn't get permission to hunt. I think someone has a tag and has a shot at him though. ;)
I think the hood is going to be crowded :(
hopefully they can hideout like they did last year.
2 guys and they both have rifle tags ;)
I think the hood is going to be crowded :(
hopefully they can hideout like they did last year.
The two guys im talking about are locals and are friends with said local land owner ;)
Post by: agchawk on September 22, 2010, 03:33:14 PM
I already said it once but it's worth saying again....AWESOME BULL!!!!!!!
Post by: 270Shooter on September 22, 2010, 03:33:24 PM
These tags cost a lot of money and that money goes to the states wildlife funding, therefore helping us regular guys out. Also, You cant say that it wasnt fair chase hunt, or that it was an easy hunt because he paid a bunch of money to have the best tag in the state. Just because someone says it on the internet doesnt mean its true... and lastly, he is just a guy that like to kill big bulls, and has the opportunity to do so, can you blame him?
Congrats on another smoker bull Mr. Agnew
Post by: boonerboy on September 22, 2010, 04:31:16 PM
Post by: BENCHLEG on September 22, 2010, 04:33:21 PM
Post by: spottedhand on September 22, 2010, 04:45:02 PM
Post by: bucklucky on September 22, 2010, 04:50:10 PM
Post by: Cylvertip on September 22, 2010, 05:09:38 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 22, 2010, 05:10:44 PM
So where are the pics of the 2010 bull???? :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
ummm...page 1
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 22, 2010, 05:23:04 PM
Post by: bearhunter99 on September 22, 2010, 05:26:05 PM
Besides I would rather see someone shoot the bull and pay $50K for it than see it poached or otherwise mysteriously disappear.
Post by: BC CHASER on September 22, 2010, 05:30:38 PM
Post by: saylean on September 22, 2010, 05:32:17 PM
Post by: whacker1 on September 22, 2010, 05:37:36 PM
http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx (http://www.mhbco.com/About-Us/Our-History.aspx)
every time you buy a beer in oregon or eastern wa dude gets paid...
I initially thought it was a different Dan Agnew. I saw that link as well. The Dan Agnew I was thinking of is president of The Agnew Company, which is primarily a timberland ownership Company and owned much of the land around the Centralia Steam Plant / Coal Mine operated by TransAlta. I think much of his money was made by timber dollars and mine / mineral leases, etc.
So upon further research it appears to be the same Dan J Agnew that is involved in both the beverage distributor as well as the Timber company.
Post by: Buckmark on September 22, 2010, 05:50:06 PM
Post by: 6x6rack on September 22, 2010, 05:54:57 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 22, 2010, 06:06:07 PM
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[/Sweet Bull!! Congrats Dan and thanks for all you do for WDFW. Just glad to hear ir wasn't the bull I have been watching! quote]
What tag do you have?
Post by: actionshooter on September 22, 2010, 06:06:28 PM
Post by: scoyoc5 on September 22, 2010, 06:10:21 PM
Post by: turkey buster on September 22, 2010, 06:36:38 PM
Post by: 400out on September 22, 2010, 06:36:54 PM
Quote[/Sweet Bull!! Congrats Dan and thanks for all you do for WDFW. Just glad to hear ir wasn't the bull I have been watching! quote]I'm not for sure! but I know he's been watching your journal pretty close :chuckle: :chuckle: JK Ross
What tag do you have?
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 22, 2010, 06:39:58 PM
Later
Post by: Basket Rack on September 22, 2010, 07:27:21 PM
I initially thought it was a different Dan Agnew. I saw that link as well. The Dan Agnew I was thinking of is president of The Agnew Company, which is primarily a timberland ownership Company and owned much of the land around the Centralia Steam Plant / Coal Mine operated by TransAlta. I think much of his money was made by timber dollars and mine / mineral leases, etc.
So upon further research it appears to be the same Dan J Agnew that is involved in both the beverage distributor as well as the Timber company.
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Yeah you are correct, he made alot of money off of coal royalties, although they no longer mine in centralia.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 22, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
Post by: Tony 270 on September 22, 2010, 08:06:19 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 22, 2010, 08:07:13 PM
Post by: 400out on September 22, 2010, 08:24:23 PM
Post by: mkcj on September 22, 2010, 08:34:25 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on September 22, 2010, 08:46:54 PM
Post by: bone head on September 22, 2010, 09:00:19 PM
Post by: Lowedog on September 22, 2010, 10:18:49 PM
Post by: eastside boy on September 22, 2010, 11:05:04 PM
That is a great elk! Thank you Mr Agnew for spending the $ to get this tag and helping our wildlife! Now that being said as far as the hunt goes there is hunting and there is killing! My boys and I hunt in washington when we go to Wyoming next week we will be killing. This bull may have been on public land for all to take but I have a feeling at day break of that "hunt" they did not "hunt" this animal it was just killed. Anyone can be a great "killer" for the right amount of $ But you have to work hard be a great hunter. :twocents:
:yeah:
Very well put!!
Post by: bearpaw on September 23, 2010, 12:16:27 AM
The only thing I see that's disgusting is the jealousy. I am really sorry to see that. I bet half the guys who complain about non-residents have hunted or fished out of state themselves. Half the guys who complain that he was guided have had help with a hunt or fished on a charter boat, etc. I'm just sorry to see the poor sportsmanship. As several have pointed out, this was a public land bull that some archers or the raffle winner had an equal opportunity to hunt. They could have also hired a guide to help if they had desired. :twocents:
Post by: PolarBear on September 23, 2010, 12:29:13 AM
Awesome bull, congratulations to Dan and to his guides, excellent bull.:yeah:
The only thing I see that's disgusting is the jealousy. I am really sorry to see that. I bet half the guys who complain about non-residents have hunted or fished out of state themselves. Half the guys who complain that he was guided have had help with a hunt or fished on a charter boat, etc. I'm just sorry to see the poor sportsmanship. As several have pointed out, this was a public land bull that some archers or the raffle winner had an equal opportunity to hunt. They could have also hired a guide to help if they had desired. :twocents:
Post by: NWBREW on September 23, 2010, 12:51:28 AM
Awesome bull, congratulations to Dan and to his guides, excellent bull.
The only thing I see that's disgusting is the jealousy. I am really sorry to see that. I bet half the guys who complain about non-residents have hunted or fished out of state themselves. Half the guys who complain that he was guided have had help with a hunt or fished on a charter boat, etc. I'm just sorry to see the poor sportsmanship. As several have pointed out, this was a public land bull that some archers or the raffle winner had an equal opportunity to hunt. They could have also hired a guide to help if they had desired. :twocents:
I agree.
Post by: MuleySniper on September 23, 2010, 07:13:19 AM
Does anyone know if the auction tags are tax deductible like a donation?
I was wondering the same thing.
MS
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 23, 2010, 08:37:12 AM
Awesome bull, congratulations to Dan and to his guides, excellent bull.
The only thing I see that's disgusting is the jealousy. I am really sorry to see that. I bet half the guys who complain about non-residents have hunted or fished out of state themselves. Half the guys who complain that he was guided have had help with a hunt or fished on a charter boat, etc. I'm just sorry to see the poor sportsmanship. As several have pointed out, this was a public land bull that some archers or the raffle winner had an equal opportunity to hunt. They could have also hired a guide to help if they had desired. :twocents:
Well put Bearpaw.
Post by: squeeze2drop on September 23, 2010, 11:53:58 AM
Post by: demontang on September 23, 2010, 11:56:47 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2010, 01:01:24 PM
Post by: whacker1 on September 23, 2010, 01:32:53 PM
lot of guys are saying that other permit holders had the same opportunity to kill this bull, but I don't think most of the other guys had as many people helping them or don't think there bow's can shoot quite as far as Mr. Agnew's rifle. Yes, I'm assuming he shot it with his rifle. Mark me down as one of the jealous guys, very nice bull. If I had the money I'd buy it every year. What ever happend when the 08' bull he shot was with guides in an area that no guides were licensed to be in? Anyway, another bull of a lifetime.
http://www.biggameawards.com/?p=245 (http://www.biggameawards.com/?p=245)
This one that was in Boone & Crocket. I don't actually know what happened, but it seems like there was a lot fo miss-information shared that changed everytime the story got to a new person. There may have been more of an outcome, but I never heard about it.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2010, 02:02:43 PM
Post by: whacker1 on September 23, 2010, 02:22:55 PM
Isn't mntcook the only licensed outfitter in the Blues?
I have no idea. Mtncook would be able to tell us.
Post by: JJB11B on September 23, 2010, 02:29:55 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on September 23, 2010, 02:34:40 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 23, 2010, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 23, 2010, 02:44:13 PM
I am not positive but someone told me that washington does not require a permit to guide only outfit. :dunno:
...Is that what your guide told you...? :chuckle: JK
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2010, 03:46:25 PM
Isn't mntcook the only licensed outfitter in the Blues?
pretty sure he is the only licensed guide or outfitter in the Wenaha Tucannon wilderness.
Post by: ramslam on September 23, 2010, 03:57:15 PM
Post by: alanger on September 23, 2010, 04:13:49 PM
yep one hunter one tag!!!!!!! Now think about the guy who has bought an elk tag all his life and all he has ever shot were small bulls at best. IF this big bull wasn't bought and paid for. Maybe the common man would have found him and killed him. Who do you think would be more excited ? The rich guy? Or the guy who has busted his azz without PAID GUIDES to find this animal.
Dont get me wrong that I love the fact the money is well used? (MAYBE) Just dont like the fact that we as residents of washington state sell and elk every year. Yes it is just one, but last time I checked we dont have a lot of elk like some other western states......
this thread just goes to show that as you call them "sportsman" put a price on a BULL ELKS horns??????? hmmmm ever wonder why we have poaching? maybe its becuse the horns are worth so much these days.....................
You sound like your on crank for one
Secondly you would do the same thing if you had the money to put up as well.. It was probably hard earned money. i dont know the tag holder but money usually doesnt show up on your front porch and offer to stay a while. :twocents:
Chelada man
Post by: Elkpiss on September 23, 2010, 04:42:31 PM
He is from Centralia Washington, but now lives in Vancouver WA..That just goes to show you what you can get with money............ time and time again. He's gotten the gov. tag the last 3 yrs., must be nice.
Not sure where the money ends up, but if it goes back into wildlife, I think that is pretty generous for him to put up that kind of money year after year. I don't even think he is in Washington, I think he is from Oregon.
:twocents:
Post by: Elkpiss on September 23, 2010, 04:45:02 PM
BOUGHT and paid for!!!!!!!!!!! might as well go to a elk farm and buy one too...........You dont know what your talking about there guy.. He is from Centralia Wa and now lives in Vancouver.. You should no what your talking about before you talk $hit.. Dude shot a nice bull, if you had the money you would too... Dont get pissy cause you cant get it done...
and it really burns my aZZ that it isnt even a resident of our state.......this is crap.. I dont care what the money is used for..... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR..........no thanks...
This isn't hunting, This is paying for an elk!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Raul Duke on September 23, 2010, 05:27:30 PM
Attached are two pictures of the auction tag bull killed by Dan Agnew in the Blue Mountains on Monday, 9/20 (the day after archery season). The bull is a 6 x 7 with an estimated gross score of 428 and an estimated net score of 409. The main beams are 59 and 57 inches, inside spread is 44 inches.(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=57440.0;attach=116095;image)
The bull was killed pursuant to "fair chase" standards and in compliance with all WDF&G rules and regulations. More information will be forthcoming after the 60 day B&C waiting period. (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=57440.0;attach=116094;image)
Nice job. I'll drink to that. :brew:
Post by: Ras on September 23, 2010, 07:38:10 PM
That is a great elk! Thank you Mr Agnew for spending the $ to get this tag and helping our wildlife! Now that being said as far as the hunt goes there is hunting and there is killing! My boys and I hunt in washington when we go to Wyoming next week we will be killing. This bull may have been on public land for all to take but I have a feeling at day break of that "hunt" they did not "hunt" this animal it was just killed. Anyone can be a great "killer" for the right amount of $ But you have to work hard be a great hunter. :twocents:
:yeah:
Very well put!!
And a 2nd :yeah:. Yes, my opinion; I don't care if you have all the money in the world, or struggle to provide for your family every day, I hold hunting and killing in different regard.
Ras
Post by: NoBark on September 23, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2010, 08:12:33 PM
Wik's and Burn's have the other two licensed areas in the Blues.
I'm assuming his guide was Wik again?
Post by: EastWaViking on September 23, 2010, 08:18:20 PM
If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 23, 2010, 08:25:39 PM
Wik's and Burn's have the other two licensed areas in the Blues.
I'm assuming his guide was Wik again?
Negative.
Post by: 280ackley on September 23, 2010, 08:32:10 PM
Post by: 280ackley on September 23, 2010, 08:37:46 PM
Post by: EastWaViking on September 23, 2010, 08:39:35 PM
So you know him? Again how does the amount of money someone have make them a "real" hunter or not?
There are hunters, and then there are guys who hire guides to hold there hand. They are not hunters... IMO.
Post by: 280ackley on September 23, 2010, 08:43:51 PM
Sooo everyone who has hired a guide to fish or hunt are non hunters/fisherman??? :bash:So you know him? Again how does the amount of money someone have make them a "real" hunter or not?
There are hunters, and then there are guys who hire guides to hold there hand. They are not hunters... IMO.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 23, 2010, 08:44:51 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2010, 08:47:55 PM
I'm really tired of money bags, and his stupid grin. A spike is more of a trophy, if you actually hunt it yourself. What's his money going towards, another face lift for our Gov, Skeletor?:yeah:Now that's funny.
If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
Post by: EastWaViking on September 23, 2010, 08:49:56 PM
Sooo everyone who has hired a guide to fish or hunt are non hunters/fisherman??? :bash:
Yep.
Post by: 280ackley on September 23, 2010, 08:54:27 PM
Post by: rougheye on September 23, 2010, 08:54:44 PM
Sooo everyone who has hired a guide to fish or hunt are non hunters/fisherman??? :bash:
Yep.
so lets say i am a fishing guide in AK and i go to Costa rica and hire3 a guide on vacation . I am no longer a fisherman right ? When i go back to AK am i a fisherman again ? im so confused :dunno:
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2010, 08:56:21 PM
Post by: EastWaViking on September 23, 2010, 09:00:29 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 23, 2010, 09:04:31 PM
Post by: shedcrazy on September 23, 2010, 09:06:06 PM
Post by: flinger on September 23, 2010, 09:09:10 PM
For all the haters :cryriver:get over it
I know if i could afford to do it i would be all over it
Post by: mtncook on September 23, 2010, 09:23:06 PM
Yes I know permit holder and recognize some of the scouts names. This permit was not in the Wenaha/Tucannon wilderness but parts of the adjoining units. There are alot of good hunters that hire Guides/Outfitters, mostly for the access to some great hunting. I have yet to have a guided hunt where we led our hunters by the hand a gave them a set up shot. My clients have all worked their tails off for their tags. Some filled some taken home. Most of my guided big bull tags are people that have never set foot in the unit, we know the animals and where to find them, they are wanting the best chance for these coveted tags. I get alot of calls from DIY guys wanting meat packed and I offer this service. Unless you spend the time scouting this area like we do and know the game a DIY hunt is pretty tough.
Do I support this gov. tag type of hunting?? Like most of you my way of thinking has changed since 2008. I would like to see where the dollars go.
Actual guiding hunters is a small part of my business, I'm really in the transport business of packing in camps, having it all there when the clients arrive and then packing meat and hunters out.
The individuals name on the permit does not start with a W.
mtncook
Post by: Timber_Hunter on September 23, 2010, 09:28:41 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 23, 2010, 09:51:36 PM
I'm really tired of money bags, and his stupid grin. A spike is more of a trophy, if you actually hunt it yourself. What's his money going towards, another face lift for our Gov, Skeletor?
If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
I've had a lot of respect for you and the things you've done and accomplished in the past. I think I've even conveyed that to you before....I'm not gonna lie...you saying the crap you're spewing just flushed all that respect I used to have for you down the toilet. I can't seriously believe you would alienate fellow hunters by spewing the crap you are currently spewing.
:twocents:
Post by: EastWaViking on September 23, 2010, 10:00:13 PM
I've had a lot of respect for you and the things you've done and accomplished in the past. I think I've even conveyed that to you before....I'm not gonna lie...you saying the crap you're spewing just flushed all that respect I used to have for you down the toilet. I can't seriously believe you would alienate fellow hunters by spewing the crap you are currently spewing.
:twocents:
I don't think I'll lose any sleep over what you think, just as you shouldn't over my opinion. Agnew is not a hunter, as far as I am concerned. If I bought the Gov. tag. I assure you I would not hire a guide, I would spend time HUNTING the Blues with my hunting buddies, not "hire a group of Scouts to find bulls for his consideration." as mtcook put it. Not sure what part of my opinion you think is crap, but that's ok. I respect you for saying so.
Post by: wastickslinger on September 23, 2010, 10:09:48 PM
I've had a lot of respect for you and the things you've done and accomplished in the past. I think I've even conveyed that to you before....I'm not gonna lie...you saying the crap you're spewing just flushed all that respect I used to have for you down the toilet. I can't seriously believe you would alienate fellow hunters by spewing the crap you are currently spewing.
:twocents:
I don't think I'll lose any sleep over what you think, just as you shouldn't over my opinion. Agnew is not a hunter, as far as I am concerned. If I bought the Gov. tag. I assure you I would not hire a guide, I would spend time HUNTING the Blues with my hunting buddies, not "hire a group of Scouts to find bulls for his consideration." as mtcook put it. Not sure what part of my opinion you think is crap, but that's ok. I respect you for saying so.
Maybe the part when you said that if you hire a guide you are not a hunter. That is a blanket statement that would not go over well with many people. What if you want to go kill a moose in Canada or a griz in AK or a lion in Africa. You would be required to hire a guide to do so.
Post by: bone head on September 23, 2010, 10:11:15 PM
Post by: dewandgin on September 23, 2010, 10:14:16 PM
some of you guys in here a bunch of :'( your jealous of one that has money and one that has killed bigger bulls than you'll ever see the wild. get over it. good job agnew and thanks for spending the money for the tag seeing how all it will do is help everyone out in the long run.:yeah:
Post by: 400out on September 23, 2010, 10:14:25 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 23, 2010, 10:20:11 PM
Post by: Special T on September 23, 2010, 10:34:04 PM
Post by: Elkslayer on September 23, 2010, 10:36:59 PM
I have absolutely no problem for the guy spending $40K for the tag. The money goes to a good cause and helps us out in the long run. I also do not have a problem with him hiring a guide to help him "Hunt" the elk. However I agree with some I dont think it is hunting when you pay someone else to find the elk for you, take you to that specific elk and then set you up for a shot. This is called shooting! No different then high fence hunting as long as the animal is not spooked or aware that you are there. JMO
As far as this being a elk that any average hunter with a permit or incentive tag could have gotten, well now we find out that is not the case either. As Mtncook stated "They (Agnew/individual) met with the FS to discuss terms, they were set back by the FS but a permit was issued to hunt/kill 1 bull. The permit was not good for any other hunter" The way I read it if this would have been you or me or anyone else this bull would have been offlimits. I'm just curious, how much did he have to pay for the special FS permit.
For those of youo that think this is no big deal, would you feel better if he had shot the Hanford bull and we just found out he was able to get a special permit to go in and hunt it and kill it. A permit that would be next to impossible for the average hunter to get!
Again I could care less how much money this guy has or how much money he spent on the tag. This is not an elk that the average hunter could have harvested. I disagree with the way that is was shot!
Post by: EastWaViking on September 23, 2010, 10:38:29 PM
Here's my :twocents:!
I have absolutely no problem for the guy spending $40K for the tag. The money goes to a good cause and helps us out in the long run. I also do not have a problem with him hiring a guide to help him "Hunt" the elk. However I agree with some I dont think it is hunting when you pay someone else to find the elk for you, take you to that specific elk and then set you up for a shot. This is called shooting! No different then high fence hunting as long as the animal is not spooked or aware that you are there. JMO
As far as this being a elk that any average hunter with a permit or incentive tag could have gotten, well now we find out that is not the case either. As Mtncook stated "They (Agnew/individual) met with the FS to discuss terms, they were set back by the FS but a permit was issued to hunt/kill 1 bull. The permit was not good for any other hunter" The way I read it if this would have been you or me or anyone else this bull would have been offlimits. I'm just curious, how much did he have to pay for the special FS permit.
For those of youo that think this is no big deal, would you feel better if he had shot the Hanford bull and we just found out he was able to get a special permit to go in and hunt it and kill it. A permit that would be next to impossible for the average hunter to get!
Again I could care less how much money this guy has or how much money he spent on the tag. This is not an elk that the average hunter could have harvested. I disagree with the way that is was shot!
Well put!
Post by: 280ackley on September 23, 2010, 10:40:48 PM
I could be wrong but I took that to mean that the guides that got the permit could not guide to more then one elk.
"They (Agnew/individual) met with the FS to discuss terms, they were set back by the FS but a permit was issued to hunt/kill 1 bull. The permit was not good for any other hunter"
Post by: Pathfinder101 on September 23, 2010, 10:44:08 PM
I could be wrong but I took that to mean that the guides that got the permit could not guide to more then one elk.
"They (Agnew/individual) met with the FS to discuss terms, they were set back by the FS but a permit was issued to hunt/kill 1 bull. The permit was not good for any other hunter"
That's how I understood it.
Post by: Elkslayer on September 23, 2010, 10:47:23 PM
I still dont call it hunting when you have a dozen people go out and find you animal and sit on it till youo show up to kill it!
Post by: squeeze2drop on September 23, 2010, 11:08:45 PM
Post by: mtncook on September 23, 2010, 11:26:47 PM
Sorry if that was not clear.
mtncook
Post by: Elkpiss on September 24, 2010, 07:16:31 AM
I'm really tired of money bags, and his stupid grin. A spike is more of a trophy, if you actually hunt it yourself. What's his money going towards, another face lift for our Gov, Skeletor?Well looks like you will never hunt Canada then, thats the most arrogant comment i have ever seen posted on here... Lost alot of respect for your post on here now Viking... You think your quit the big shot hunter by the sounds of it..!
If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
Post by: EastWaViking on September 24, 2010, 07:26:57 AM
irragant
it's arrogant looks like you lost a lot of respect from people who know how to spell. ;)
FYI, I think I'm an average hunter who likes to get out in the woods and work hard at hunting an animal, without paying someone to do all the work for me. It's my opinion, and I'm sure you all can get over the fact we may have differing opinions.
Post by: bucklucky on September 24, 2010, 07:31:51 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on September 24, 2010, 07:33:57 AM
One like someone said you wont be able to hunt in cananda and there is some great hunting there. Also you will never be able to hunt in a wilderness area in Wyoming.
Post by: Gutpile on September 24, 2010, 07:36:17 AM
If you need a guide, you aren't a hunter. IMO
I hired a guide once. I guess I'm not a hunter. Oh well. Sucks for me. Maybe I'll be a real hunter someday.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 24, 2010, 07:42:16 AM
Post by: Elkpiss on September 24, 2010, 07:43:25 AM
Ya i new miss spelled that when i wrote it, figured you would understand what it meant.. Just thought that was kind of a $hitty post dude.. Your a good hunter, you can generally pick out the real deal on here from the guys who dont know $hit, but that was weak post man... your better then that is all im saying... I had a guide in Canada on my moose hunt, and I would like to consider myself a real hunter.. :twocents: But enough defending Dan, he would just probably laugh at all these posts and sip his whiskey and look at his trophy wall and say Ive killed some big Fuskin Bulls!... That is a great bull..irragant
it's arrogant looks like you lost a lot of respect from people who know how to spell. ;)
FYI, I think I'm an average hunter who likes to get out in the woods and work hard at hunting an animal, without paying someone to do all the work for me. It's my opinion, and I'm sure you all can get over the fact we may have differing opinions.
Post by: Buckoholic on September 24, 2010, 07:46:29 AM
Post by: bearhunter99 on September 24, 2010, 07:50:21 AM
lot of guys are saying that other permit holders had the same opportunity to kill this bull, but I don't think most of the other guys had as many people helping them or don't think there bow's can shoot quite as far as Mr. Agnew's rifle. Yes, I'm assuming he shot it with his rifle. Mark me down as one of the jealous guys, very nice bull. If I had the money I'd buy it every year. What ever happend when the 08' bull he shot was with guides in an area that no guides were licensed to be in? Anyway, another bull of a lifetime.
http://www.biggameawards.com/?p=245 (http://www.biggameawards.com/?p=245)
This one that was in Boone & Crocket. I don't actually know what happened, but it seems like there was a lot fo miss-information shared that changed everytime the story got to a new person. There may have been more of an outcome, but I never heard about it.
I am not going to get into the whole hunting vs killing thing here but I have read about some of his hunts and he doesn't sound like a bad guy. To me he sounds like a guy with a huge passion for elk, he just has the means of making his dreams reality. Some of the elk he has shot were tough hunts from what I have heard, even with a guide.
If I had his money and spent $40K on a governors tag I don't know what I would do, but spending another $5-10K probably was a small price to pay for finding the best bull for the money.
As far as the 08 bull and his flying in and shooting it, which was the story I always heard, check out the link in the above quote.
Viking, so when I go to Alaska and hunt with my brother as my "guide" and he does the scouting since he lives there, does that mean I am not a "real hunter" really no different than hiring a guide..........
Post by: Gutpile on September 24, 2010, 07:55:03 AM
Viking, so when I go to Alaska and hunt with my brother as my "guide" and he does the scouting since he lives there, does that mean I am not a "real hunter" really no different than hiring a guide..........
Apparently yes it does. I hired a guide once because I wanted to go to Wyoming but not alone and my friends kept bailing. I said screw it and hired a guide. I'm really bummed now that I just found out I'm not a hunter anymore.
Selling everything, go to the classifieds. :'(
Post by: bearhunter99 on September 24, 2010, 08:04:01 AM
Viking, so when I go to Alaska and hunt with my brother as my "guide" and he does the scouting since he lives there, does that mean I am not a "real hunter" really no different than hiring a guide..........
Selling everything, go to the classifieds. :'(
How much for all of it? :chuckle:
Post by: Gutpile on September 24, 2010, 08:05:22 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2010, 08:10:38 AM