Post by: Practical Approach on October 01, 2010, 08:02:55 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on October 01, 2010, 08:08:33 PM
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Post by: Rick on October 01, 2010, 08:17:36 PM
I am looking for a set of tires for my chevy 2500 4x4. I have had the Toyo mt but am wondering what experiences people have had with other mt's and At's. I love the Toyo';s but they are a bit spendy.
You get what you pay for with the Toyos. IMO,theres nothing out there that compares.
In case you didn't know,you don't have to buy them at Les Schwab. They want you to believe they're exclusive to them but they aren't. Try Discount Tire. They'll have to order them,but can have them in 2-3 days. I called Discount about a month ago for a set of Toyos. They were 30% less than at Les Schwab.
Post by: whacker1 on October 01, 2010, 08:20:39 PM
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I am in the process of ordering new tires. I was really pleased with the Pro Comp Mud Terrain, and have 41,000 miles on them. I would like to try the Pro Comp Xtreme Mud terrain, but price might put them out of practical justification.
I will likely know what I am selecting by Monday or Tuesday. Mine is a F150, but I only buy 10 ply tires. I like the Pro Comp X-treme mud terrains, because they are a 3 ply sidewall. cooper STT's are also a 3 ply sidewall. There are a few others out there, but I think it makes them hold up a little better. I blew the sidewall on my last set of Dunlop Mud Rover, so I have some added motivation
Post by: tireguru on October 01, 2010, 08:21:30 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on October 01, 2010, 08:22:24 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 01, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
The Toyo Open Country Mud Terrain tires we see cup real bad on the Dodge 2500/3500 trucks and a lot of guys don't end up liking them. They're not a problem on 1500's and smaller trucks like Toyotas. My bud is at 120k miles and on his 5th set of mud terrains and he won't be going back again to them. Thats the other down side, they wear out too quick for what you pay for them. With the easier riding IFS on the big Chev trucks they might not be as bad. We also see a few guys buying those Nitto Terra Grapplers because they are cheap. The problem is they can't handle the air pressure the big trucks tire pressure monitoring systems require to keep the tire pressure light turned off. They have a 45psi max or something like that and the Dodge 2500/3500 trucks are looking for 60-70psi to keep the light turned off. Those guys are stuck driving around with the tpms warning on all the time. Just a few things to consider....I'm not a tire expert by any stretch, just a few things we see a lot.
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Post by: jackelope on October 01, 2010, 08:27:39 PM
If you want the Toyo M/T's they are on sale @ Les Schwab until the end of the month. They are built on a truck tire casing so they are heavyier duty than standard tires. Depending on the size you are running the Maxxis Bighorn is a good value on a traction tire but if you have run the Toyo M/T's it's tough to compare them to something else.
Why do the m/t's cup so bad on the h/d trucks and not on the little trucks? It's not lack of rotation.
Post by: bobcat on October 01, 2010, 08:27:44 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 01, 2010, 08:28:15 PM
Post by: Raul Duke on October 01, 2010, 08:42:19 PM
If you want the Toyo M/T's they are on sale @ Les Schwab until the end of the month. They are built on a truck tire casing so they are heavyier duty than standard tires. Depending on the size you are running the Maxxis Bighorn is a good value on a traction tire but if you have run the Toyo M/T's it's tough to compare them to something else.
Why do the m/t's cup so bad on the h/d trucks and not on the little trucks? It's not lack of rotation.
Lack of rotation. On the bigger rigs its a good idea do do it more offten. Most people go 4-5k miles befor doing a rotation.
If you keep up on them every 3k miles and cross rotate them (& rebalance) every other rotation. They dont cup.
Other recomandations
Mud Terain SXT's
BFGoodwich Mud Teraian KW2's
Maxxix Big Horns.
Post by: Rick on October 01, 2010, 09:10:25 PM
I have the Toyo Open Country All Terrains on my truck and love them. 265/70/17 and about $1100 for the set of them on a 2002 1500 Chev truck.
The Toyo Open Country Mud Terrain tires we see cup real bad on the Dodge 2500/3500 trucks and a lot of guys don't end up liking them. They're not a problem on 1500's and smaller trucks like Toyotas. My bud is at 120k miles and on his 5th set of mud terrains and he won't be going back again to them. Thats the other down side, they wear out too quick for what you pay for them. With the easier riding IFS on the big Chev trucks they might not be as bad. We also see a few guys buying those Nitto Terra Grapplers because they are cheap. The problem is they can't handle the air pressure the big trucks tire pressure monitoring systems require to keep the tire pressure light turned off. They have a 45psi max or something like that and the Dodge 2500/3500 trucks are looking for 60-70psi to keep the light turned off. Those guys are stuck driving around with the tpms warning on all the time. Just a few things to consider....I'm not a tire expert by any stretch, just a few things we see a lot.
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I run 34" Toyo M/Ts on my Ram 3500, fall through spring. No cupping or other funny wear. I think the problem is the shiatty front end on the Rams. Guys don't stay on top of the maintanance and as parts wear out they trash the tires. Its not the tires fault,its the lazy owners.
As far as the Nittos go,they're a sister company to Toyo. They share the same technology. They aren't a cheap tire. If the guys you see can't run more than 45 psi in them,they bought the wrong load range tires. Load Range E Nittos have the same 80 psi rating as any other E rated tire.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 01, 2010, 09:16:04 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 01, 2010, 09:30:38 PM
Its not just the Rams that destroy those tires.
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Lack of rotation. On the bigger rigs its a good idea do do it more offten. Most people go 4-5k miles befor doing a rotation.We've seen enough of them on the big trucks and have the maintenance history to show it's not lack of rotation. Even Schwabs recommends 5k mile rotations on those tires and they still do it. I have never heard of anyone ever recommending 3k mile rotates, nevermind balancing tires every 6k miles?? I have a hard time balancing tires out of the blue without a vibration complaint at all, nevermind balancing them for no reason every 6k miles.
If you keep up on them every 3k miles and cross rotate them (& rebalance) every other rotation. They dont cup.
Other recomandations
Mud Terain SXT's
BFGoodwich Mud Teraian
Post by: medic6 on October 01, 2010, 10:00:03 PM
I currently have toyo mt and they lasted 39,000 miles 295/70r17.
Post by: Sportfury on October 02, 2010, 09:01:23 AM
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Great tire. I am now running Nitto Terra Grapplers in 295/70R18 10 ply Load Range E. Haven't had a chance to take them off road, but on road they have good manners and do well in the rain.
Post by: Greg30-06 on October 02, 2010, 09:23:31 AM
Post by: 509er on October 02, 2010, 09:31:37 AM
Post by: Rick on October 02, 2010, 09:43:52 AM
Toyos are good tires as long as you do not run them on a heavy truck.
Thats a crock of shiat. Toyos were designed for heavy trucks. Size for size they have the highest weight capacities on the market. The 34s on my Ram are good for 4000lbs per tire.
The Toyos are probably the single most popular tire on the Dodge diesel forums. Its rare for some one to have a complaint about them. The guys that bitch are the guys that are running 500hp and have to haze the tires at every stoplight,or the guys that are running the 1/4 mile with them.
Post by: 509er on October 02, 2010, 10:18:34 AM
Toyos are good tires as long as you do not run them on a heavy truck.
Thats a crock of shiat. Toyos were designed for heavy trucks. Size for size they have the highest weight capacities on the market. The 34s on my Ram are good for 4000lbs per tire.
The Toyos are probably the single most popular tire on the Dodge diesel forums. Its rare for some one to have a complaint about them. The guys that bitch are the guys that are running 500hp and have to haze the tires at every stoplight,or the guys that are running the 1/4 mile with them.
Most Dodge guy do love them. I am not talking weight capacity, but referring to the treadlife. Most of the guys I know own Superdutys, and any of them that have run Toyos have not had good things to say about tire wear. I have not run them on my truck but my brother has, he is a senior master tech at our ford dealer and has many Superduty customers that have run them with the same results. Antlerking ran them on his Superduty and was not real happy with tread life. On the other hand I have a friend that has a Dodge diesel that has good luck with them, but his is kinda a I-5 four wheel drive.
Post by: Antlerking on October 02, 2010, 11:02:56 AM
Post by: washelkhntr on October 02, 2010, 11:07:05 AM
let me invest into toyo stocks before anyone buys a set cause you will buying a set twice a year and there stock will skyrocket :) I got 13 k miles on my toyos before they were gone and that is rotating them every oil change! never again, the worst tire ever made hands down IMO! That is running them on a superduty :bdid:
Have to agree. My Superduty, hated them! I got about 15K out of them. I went back to BFG Mud Terrains.
Post by: predatorpro on October 02, 2010, 11:49:17 AM
yeah with no warranty, and not all toyos are exclusive to les schwab just certain designs like the eclipse, it all depends on what you are wanting to do, what kind of terrain your driving on, how aggresive you drivethings like thatI am looking for a set of tires for my chevy 2500 4x4. I have had the Toyo mt but am wondering what experiences people have had with other mt's and At's. I love the Toyo';s but they are a bit spendy.
You get what you pay for with the Toyos. IMO,theres nothing out there that compares.
In case you didn't know,you don't have to buy them at Les Schwab. They want you to believe they're exclusive to them but they aren't. Try Discount Tire. They'll have to order them,but can have them in 2-3 days. I called Discount about a month ago for a set of Toyos. They were 30% less than at Les Schwab.
Post by: high country on October 02, 2010, 11:58:58 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 02, 2010, 08:46:10 PM
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Thats a crock of shiat.
It's not a crock of shiat...
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 02, 2010, 10:55:55 PM
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Post by: Greg30-06 on October 02, 2010, 11:04:59 PM
I just picked up a set of 6 Bridgestone Duravis R500 at Costco for $1300. So far, love em. And they are made for heavy hauling for long periods of time. They wont wear out too fast. I had Toyo M55s on there before. Hands down, these are a better tire.Yeah maybe for highway only. In that case you might as well go with the toyo m 54
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Post by: timberghost72 on October 02, 2010, 11:06:37 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on October 02, 2010, 11:07:45 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on October 03, 2010, 06:04:46 AM
I just picked up a set of 6 Bridgestone Duravis R500 at Costco for $1300. So far, love em. And they are made for heavy hauling for long periods of time. They wont wear out too fast. I had Toyo M55s on there before. Hands down, these are a better tire.
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How do you know they are a better tire when you just got them? Does the M55 you had before have the same design as this new tire?.. Comparing apples to bananas?
Post by: high country on October 03, 2010, 06:16:09 AM
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M55 for comparison.
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Duravis R500HD
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Post by: Greg30-06 on October 03, 2010, 10:03:46 AM
Post by: high country on October 03, 2010, 10:30:28 AM
revo's were on my 2500 cummins 4x4
Post by: high country on October 03, 2010, 10:35:42 AM
Post by: MikeWalking on October 03, 2010, 10:46:14 AM
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The Toyo M55s have about the same tread design. But the Bridgestones have a bigger shoulder block that helps carry the weight better. All you weight is over the sidewalls and that is where it needs the support. This is where the M55s fell short. The shoulders wore off quicker than the center tread. The Revo is a light truck tire. What vehicle was it on?
Inflation/Air pressure issues??
Don't know if I should bother to chip in, my GC Laredo is a lot lighter than what most of you seem to be driving. But I'm on a set of Toyo Open Country A/T's 23500-24000 miles. Still have 40-50%. I've been crossing one Pass or another during some of the worst weather we have had in the last two to three years and they hold the road like they were on rails. Just wrecked one on a FS road, picked up a rock that would have made a great arrowhead, at least 3 other rock flats including 2 on the same trip, one going up the hill, one coming down.
Not sure what they next set will be...
Post by: Grizzly95 on October 03, 2010, 11:08:46 AM
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All you weight is over the sidewalls and that is where it needs the support. This is where the M55s fell short. The shoulders wore off quicker than the center tread.
That is where proper inflation comes in. If driver habits will have all the difference in the world. And anyone buying tractions should never expect them to last as longs a an all terrain. I worked at Schwabs for 10 years and am going back to work for them in the next week or so. When I worked there I always told traction customers to rotate more frequently, I would say 3000miles and cross rotate.
Another huge factor is that people put a taller, wider tire on and do not consider that that tire needs a wider rim. If you put a wide tire on a narrow rim you need to run a lower air pressure to create a flat wear, otherwise you will wear the centers out. I ran 37" SSR Swampers on a full size chevy on a 10" rim, a little narrow for the tire so I ran 10psi in the tires year round, loaded or not. Never a problem and lasted great for a soft rubber traction.
Also after a truck has left the dealer the front end will never be in that near perfect shape again, from mile number 1 the front end components begin to wear, shocks, tie rods, ball joints, bearings, bushings, springs, and even brakes. I doubt there is one person on here that inspects their front end every rotation or few thousand miles. I did the stuff for 10 years and didn't do it myself! And don't expect the tire tech to do it when they rotate them either, I tried to on every vehicle but when things are slammed ass busy there are things that get overlooked.
And then there are diesels........the torque new and chipped diesels is amazing and tire wearing. You don't realize how the rear tires wear under that much torque, they actually kind of smear (lack of better description) on the road when you leave a light or stop sign.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 03, 2010, 12:26:53 PM
I am sure I will get a longer tread life out of these tires as they are designed for the heavier loads. Being mine is a Diesel Dually, makes even more fun. :)
Post by: Special T on October 05, 2010, 07:59:46 AM
There is one large tire that wears exceptionally well on and off road, its downfall is it cannot fit many newer vehicles. it is the Goodyear 37x12.5R16.5 Wrangler MT it has a load range E. It is the current tire the military uses for the Hummer. I have several full size friends that road the hell out of them and have lasted A LONG TIME! They may not be as aggressive as a Super Swamper or other dedicated off road tire but i believe for a true mixed use they provide some of the best of both worlds... I know one guy that uses these tires and tows a goose neck with his older dodge and a 4 horse plus tack room trailer around. Bad thing is they have to go an a 16.5 rim which are not common, and they will not fit over the new brake calipers on the 03 and newer Dodges... The tires can usually be bought used very reasonably, however the wheels in aluminum fancy styles are lacking... new steels from anywhere run about $75 ea. :twocents:
Post by: whacker1 on October 05, 2010, 10:28:16 AM
I currently have 265 / 75 / 16 Pro Comp mud terrains in load range E. Very happy with these, but the best I could find them for was $965 out the door.
Toyo Mt were around $1250
BFG KM2 were around $1150
Cooper STT were $1150
The cheapest MT tire we could find was the Hancook Dyanpro at around $860.
Owner of the Tire shop, and friend, got the idea to look at different tire sizes. The two we looked at were 255/85/16, which is about 33.1 inches tall by 10 inch wide tire. No good options.
So then we went to a 235 / 85 / 16, which is 31.7 tall by 9.3 wide
My current tire is 265 / 75 /16, which is 31.6 tall by 10.4 wide
So the net effect on price with the 235 / 85 /16 were significantly less
Maxxis Buchshot was $665 out the door
Goodyear Fierce Attitude was $700.
BFG KM2 were about $900
I ordered the Goodyear and added $40 for siping as they are not pre-siped very well. I didn't lose much on load capacity as they are still a 10 ply tire. Aggressive mud terrain, which owner of shop currently has on his Tahoe in the 255 / 85 /16 and says they are quiet. I should improve gas mileage with Narrower tire, and I didn't give anything up in height. I am having them put on later this week prior to departing for Montana, and will let you know how they do. I am very excited as it took me a lot of research to figure out a way to save money and get close to what I wanted.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on October 05, 2010, 11:54:53 AM
let me invest into toyo stocks before anyone buys a set cause you will buying a set twice a year and there stock will skyrocket :) I got 13 k miles on my toyos before they were gone and that is rotating them every oil change! never again, the worst tire ever made hands down IMO! That is running them on a superduty :bdid:
I agree, if you run them on a heavy rig, especially on gravel, they suck!!!
I don't see how anyone that has owned them can argue that.
most people buy them for looks.
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Post by: JBar on October 05, 2010, 05:53:08 PM
Was thinking of trying out the STT's next go around at least I know they will stand up against a kids bike :P