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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: bigbeamhunter on October 06, 2010, 10:01:45 PM

Title: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 06, 2010, 10:01:45 PM: The owners Christian. Witt and *censored* are jokes my son and I guided for them this year they don't know anything about archery hunting and very little about anything elsep especially how to take care of clients. Let me say first I'm veryproud of my 18 yr old son he called 13 bulls in clients had 8 shots and one 5by5. And now off to the navy in December. Now back to timbeghost outfitters they are a joke. Between the miles of road hunting no calling skills and client's finding pot pipes in their boots from them dropping it there coming back in the tent late.I was totally embarrassed. I found out the only elk Brian shot was on the camp Bonneville base in a fence a tame 320 bull and got a ticket for being in there and Christian had his house raided and most of his animals taken from a out of state poaching charge. ..stay away from them
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: yelp on October 07, 2010, 07:14:40 AM: OK? sorry for your experience but this may not be the best way to deal with the problem. Your comments are all over the place and hard to understand. Can you explain it better? And there are two sides to every story so I reserve judgement to individuals who automatically start naming names and pointing fingers..just saying.. :twocents:
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: Glockster on October 07, 2010, 09:12:16 AM: christian witt, and his dad are notorious outlaws. Do a google search

~busted in BC for non licensed fishing guiding
~busted in Idaho for big game poaching (a compact state, so I'm pretty sure he has no legal hunting rights in any western state)

~still guides on the Columbia without a Coast Guard license.
~still advertises at Puyallup sportsman show

It's amazing these guys are still in circulation afterr so many years of outlaw behaviour. Too bad you got caught up in their mess.
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: HntnFsh on October 07, 2010, 12:15:20 PM: :yeah:

I was going to say.Do a google search.But you beat me to it.
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: Bean Counter on October 07, 2010, 12:20:37 PM: Quote from: yelp on October 07, 2010, 07:14:40 AM
OK? sorry for your experience but this may not be the best way to deal with the problem. Your comments are all over the place and hard to understand. Can you explain it better? And there are two sides to every story so I reserve judgement to individuals who automatically start naming names and pointing fingers..just saying.. :twocents:

The grammar in the OP is a joke. I can often overlook poor grammar, but in this case, the meaning of the sentences are confused. Also, I really wish people would learn to use proper punctuation.
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 07, 2010, 02:05:58 PM: Sorry i wrote that when i was upset and on my phone,glockster thanks for backing me up and doing the google search for me.Sorry for the confusion guys...
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: MtnMuley on October 07, 2010, 02:36:25 PM: A guy might want to take a look at the reputation of a outfitter before he jumps on board. Great way to make a bad name for yourself, and better yet, wind up in trouble with the law. Just a thought.
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 07, 2010, 02:50:24 PM: Your right mtn muley that's why we are done and letting people know. We just didn't know until we were working for them for awhile. We did meet some great people though and had great experience hunting with people from different places across the country
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: wsmnut on October 07, 2010, 06:13:36 PM: I hunted down there with a couple friends. We heard that the guys from timber ghosts were guiding some hunters from Utah that had been sublet from Wapiti Creek Outfitters. Every morning I guess these guys would drive down from some cheesy RV park or an Econo Lodge, and meet up with the folks from timber ghosts. The biggest problem everyone else had, was that the Timber Ghosts army would just chew up the tiny little Yale unit and completely freaked the Elk out. We heard that one Elk was taken, but by a guy guided by a local that was just helping these jokers out.
I just saw too many hunters. Again.

wsmnut
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 07, 2010, 09:27:25 PM: So I am just curious. If they are such outlaws how can they even get a license for a business. Especially a license in a feild that they have broken the law in?
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 07, 2010, 10:39:45 PM: My son was one of the timber ghost army he knew how they were hunting was wrong so we took em to the washougal and seen know hunters and made their trip.enough that they him a 400 dollar tip for working his butt off for them ...he quit that day.now off to the navy in December
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: BlackRidge on October 07, 2010, 11:00:35 PM: Wow, these guys have quite the shady track record

All the more reason to do your research when it comes to guides/outfitters I guess

Thanks for the heads up bigbeam, good luck to your son
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: coachcw on October 08, 2010, 06:16:20 AM: they must know Otis Wagener from Oregon , Be carefull in the eagle caps too.
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: Glockster on October 08, 2010, 02:13:38 PM: Unfortunately there is no hunting guide license requirement for WA and as long as the Witt isn't hunting himself there is nothing enforcement can do about it. :bash: This is just as frustrating to the enforcement officers as it is you and me.

ON the fishing side of things we are required to buy a state guide license and are required to be USCG licensed for any passenger for hire business on navigable waterways. WA state however does not require proof of the USCG license before issuing the state license (like OR does). The Wits get away with that because our state doesn't check...this is why you don't see OR stickers on his boat. He also ducks the USCG by hiring a kid with a Limited OUPV license to "run the boat" while he is "deckhanding"...ya right.

USCG license requires an FBI level 1 background check, something Mr. Witt will never be able to pass given his criminal history.

Although his tremendous reputation proceeds him there seem to be plenty of customers who either don't do any research or fall for his 'guaranteed' discount fishing and hunting guide services.

As you can tell, he is loathed by the legal guide community and law enforcement in OR, WA, ID, and British Columbia.
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 08, 2010, 03:56:25 PM: So he has no hunting privileges
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: Fishnclifff on October 08, 2010, 06:25:05 PM: They also use their mother and wife to get their licenses.
We helped bust them for undersize sturgeon a few years back. The mother's name was listed as the owner of the boat and license.
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 09, 2010, 07:14:32 AM: I just don't understand how they can get away with it
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on November 07, 2010, 07:57:56 PM: tamstar - Awesome first post. Congrats to you, first impressions are always the best.

Joe
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: PolarBear on November 07, 2010, 08:01:15 PM: Quote from: BLKBEARKLR on November 07, 2010, 07:57:56 PM
tamstar - Awesome first post. Congrats to you, first impressions are always the best.

Joe
:yeah:
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: Tony 270 on November 07, 2010, 08:05:05 PM: What's he jealous of? Curious...

Think if you call someone a thief you should back that up and have some facts, not just a general statement. You ask the same of him and others, why not follow up your "facts" with some facts. Goes both ways.

What's with you bashing people who talk crap? Your entire post is just that. If Christian really is a hard working, honest guy, why not point that out and illustrate that to us. Back that up with the facts that you want and look for from others. Far better argument than talking crap about everyone else or the OP.

Now... back to the drama :chuckle:
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: Tony 270 on November 07, 2010, 08:12:42 PM: Just saying if it isn't true then present the truth, if that's possible (not always the case). But to attack the other person (not saying they are right or wrong) doesn't help your argument or clear things up, including Christian's name and reputation.
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: jackelope on November 07, 2010, 08:15:43 PM: ;)
Title: Re: columbia river fishing guide and an owner of timberghostoutfitters
Post by: tamstar1967 on November 07, 2010, 08:21:12 PM: so yes i am here to stand up for him ......he is a great guide and deserves the support......thanks Joe.