Post by: jeepster on October 09, 2010, 01:17:55 AM
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when i get my limit, i go home, myself being a FRIM believer in ethical salmon fishing (even more-so than hunting) it would be nice to get the thoughts of other fisherman out there....
like i said, take as many as you NEED, if its survival,
but for all others that take over thier limit, I HOPE YOU GET BUSTED....
the only way we will ever have good salmon returns is etihical fishing..............
like i said, it would be nice to get the oppinions of others....
-Jeep
Post by: Stomper on October 09, 2010, 08:18:48 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 09, 2010, 08:22:51 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 09, 2010, 08:26:18 AM
Some of the boot salmon people keep about make me barf just looking at them and they're still in the river.
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on October 09, 2010, 08:27:23 AM
1. How do you know their feeding their family? Do you go up and ask them??
2. Well if that is ok with fish must be ok with the deer, elk and bear population.
3. Breaking the rules no matter how you look at it or what scenerio the person is in it is still breaking the rules and takes away from the honest outdoorsman.
4. If they can afford the gas, license, gear and such to go fishing then they can dang sure afford to buy some top ramen and hotdogs.
5. I myself do not agree with any that you mentioned, the main problem is a lot of people do not confront individuals like that, and it just continues to happen. If you see it dont be the judge to determine that they are feeding their family. Let the game wardens do it. One of the best things you can have to get *censored*s like that off the water is a video camera. You see them fishing one hole, then they go to their truck and then to another hole. Take a break from fishing go up grab the video and go down and do an interview with them. Trust me they leave the water quick.
Joe
Post by: Hunterman on October 09, 2010, 08:41:34 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: jackelope on October 09, 2010, 08:46:56 AM
Maybe I should provide a link to this thread from earlier this week?
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,58482.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,58482.0.html)
Post by: ribka on October 09, 2010, 09:13:45 AM
Jeepster no offense but that does not make any sense to me.
1. How do you know their feeding their family? Do you go up and ask them??
2. Well if that is ok with fish must be ok with the deer, elk and bear population.
3. Breaking the rules no matter how you look at it or what scenerio the person is in it is still breaking the rules and takes away from the honest outdoorsman.
4. If they can afford the gas, license, gear and such to go fishing then they can dang sure afford to buy some top ramen and hotdogs.
5. I myself do not agree with any that you mentioned, the main problem is a lot of people do not confront individuals like that, and it just continues to happen. If you see it dont be the judge to determine that they are feeding their family. Let the game wardens do it. One of the best things you can have to get *censored*s like that off the water is a video camera. You see them fishing one hole, then they go to their truck and then to another hole. Take a break from fishing go up grab the video and go down and do an interview with them. Trust me they leave the water quick.
Joe
Bring a camera and call it in. My feelings too. Can buy a lot of beans and rice and eat for less than $2.00 a day. That is how over 80% of world population eats and no grossly overweight people in those countries like here in the US. Every been to Walmart recently and see the size of the people buying food with food stamps? I grew up in a pretty poor family and we could have qualified for food stamps but parents were too proud. Had a big garden every year and ate cheap but nutritious food. Would never justify breaking the law. Almost every guy whom I have run across in my life who poaches claims to be too poor and has to poach. Everyone always seemed to have enough money for smokes, booze, lift kits for his truck, xbox, i phone, cable tv, weed, new rods, rifles etc etc
Post by: singleshot12 on October 09, 2010, 09:37:12 AM
So please people only keep your limit and play by the rules if you and your kids want to catch fish in the future.
Post by: dirty24d on October 09, 2010, 09:45:08 AM
Post by: dirty24d on October 09, 2010, 09:50:56 AM
Post by: fishcrazy on October 09, 2010, 08:42:43 PM
I don't see an option for a hooked in the mouth only.
Kris
Post by: woodswalker on October 09, 2010, 08:50:34 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 09, 2010, 10:48:44 PM
I have a question what is flossing ??? :dunno:
flossing is...
Cast across the river in front of some fish, let the line drift into a fish's open mouth(salmons mouths are pretty much always open in the rivers) then jerk pulling the line/hook through the fish's mouth. Essentially it's snagging them in the face. I used to fish rivers in upstate New York for spawning Lk. Ontario salmon and it was legal as long as you lifted the rod up when you set the hook. No pulling sideways. We got really good at it. Back there it's called lifting.
Post by: dirty24d on October 09, 2010, 11:42:02 PM
Size
Taste
Run size
Difficulty to catch all that good stuff.
Post by: FC on October 09, 2010, 11:54:14 PM
good to know. You must need some damn good visibility to pull that off. So how would you rate the east coast salmon vs west coast?
I do it best with NO visibility believe it or not except I don't jerk the line across, if you know how to tickle fish then you will have a pretty good feel for effectively flossing and ALWAYS hooking them inside the mouth too! If you can see the fish they can see you, move to a spot where you can't see them anymore and try but the only jerk that should happen is when you actually set the hook.
Post by: dirty24d on October 10, 2010, 12:19:45 AM
Episode 17 - The truth About the Sockeye Fishing on the Fraser River (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om3iV4h24i8#ws)
I wonder what your guys thoughts are on this.
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 12:43:04 AM
I don't understand why people like that dude cry so much about it, maybe they can't figure it out for themselves? Regardless, some people have way too much time on their hands if they can sit at home and worry so much about what other people are doing that like it or not falls within the rules.
Post by: dirty24d on October 10, 2010, 12:46:42 AM
:dunno:
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 12:49:06 AM
Post by: CallMeBigPapa on October 10, 2010, 09:15:58 AM
Post by: Tony 270 on October 10, 2010, 09:34:40 AM
As for flossing, who is to say that it is flossing if it is in the mouth? Is fishing corkies considered flossing? How do you know it didn't go after it and bite it?
Don't know much about flossing or fishing with corkies (I'm mainly jig or eggs in the rivers), but what is the real difference if you can't see the fish and one is hooked in the mouth? How can you call it one thing for sure?
Post by: jackelope on October 10, 2010, 10:43:26 AM
good to know. You must need some damn good visibility to pull that off. So how would you rate the east coast salmon vs west coast?Lake Ontario salmon are different. They never hit the salt water. They also don't eat in the rivers at all. It's all a lifting or snagging show. The run size isn't even close, you're talking about 1 lake, a huge lake, but 1 lake with salmon runs in several rivers. There's a lot of fish but nothing like we have here. The taste is good but not as good as ocean fish. They taste like boots from the river but they're fun to catch and some get big. My biggest king was 48#.
Size
Taste
Run size
Difficulty to catch all that good stuff.
Right...no vis. You feel the fish and they almost swim into the line if you do it right by upstate NY standards. It almost feels kike you're getting a bite.good to know. You must need some damn good visibility to pull that off. So how would you rate the east coast salmon vs west coast?
I do it best with NO visibility believe it or not except I don't jerk the line across, if you know how to tickle fish then you will have a pretty good feel for effectively flossing and ALWAYS hooking them inside the mouth too! If you can see the fish they can see you, move to a spot where you can't see them anymore and try but the only jerk that should happen is when you actually set the hook.
Post by: Tony 270 on October 10, 2010, 10:51:12 AM
It almost feels kike you're getting a bite.
So if it feels like you're getting a bite, and it is hooked in the mouth, how do you know it wasn't a bite? Might have attacked it, bit it for whatever reason. :dunno:
I'm new to all this river stuff so have a lot to learn. One thing I can't stand already is the blatent snaggers. Cast out, jerk! Cast out, jerk! And every single fish is foul hooked. They toss them back, but still...
The line I love is, "Are there any cops around?" Why? Did you come down to snag them and plan to keep them?
Post by: BigGoonTuna on October 10, 2010, 11:09:41 AM
I love it when I hear people crying about this *censored*, flossing fish is a skill that I have spent years developing and I employ it effectively on salmon in fresh water.you're a huge tool.
spotlighting deer is a skill too.
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 11:12:21 AM
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 11:14:37 AM
I love it when I hear people crying about this *censored*, flossing fish is a skill that I have spent years developing and I employ it effectively on salmon in fresh water.you're a huge tool.
spotlighting deer is a skill too.
Thank you for your cry baby opinion! Spotlighting deer isn't even comparable to flossing fish and I think everyone knows it.
Post by: jackelope on October 10, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
I am talking about upstate new york, specifically the salmon river, where it is perfectly legal to do this, at least it was 15 years ago, the last time I did it. Nothing illegal about it whatsoever. I know it wasn't fish biting because all we used on the hook was a small orange plastic egg.It almost feels kike you're getting a bite.
So if it feels like you're getting a bite, and it is hooked in the mouth, how do you know it wasn't a bite? Might have attacked it, bit it for whatever reason. :dunno:
I'm new to all this river stuff so have a lot to learn. One thing I can't stand already is the blatent snaggers. Cast out, jerk! Cast out, jerk! And every single fish is foul hooked. They toss them back, but still...
The line I love is, "Are there any cops around?" Why? Did you come down to snag them and plan to keep them?
Post by: BigGoonTuna on October 10, 2010, 02:02:38 PM
illegal is illegal.I love it when I hear people crying about this *censored*, flossing fish is a skill that I have spent years developing and I employ it effectively on salmon in fresh water.you're a huge tool.
spotlighting deer is a skill too.
Thank you for your cry baby opinion! Spotlighting deer isn't even comparable to flossing fish and I think everyone knows it.
Post by: TeacherMan on October 10, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 02:40:43 PM
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In your very humble opinion? Cry more.
Post by: Tony 270 on October 10, 2010, 02:53:51 PM
Post by: Rick on October 10, 2010, 02:56:56 PM
You (flossers) can try to justify the differences any way you'd like. You're still a farkin' snagger. No different than a guy poaching deer.
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 03:13:13 PM
Post by: sisu on October 10, 2010, 03:27:57 PM
Post by: Rick on October 10, 2010, 03:43:20 PM
Tell you what, I'll switch down from my good quality gear to the same stuff that most people use and then I'll just think it's a bite when I have a fish flossed....Seriously, go piss up a rope.
You don't want to be called a poacher, then quit snagging fish. :'(
Good quality gear? Let me guess,an Eagle Claw with an upside down spinning reel,some Danielson line and a 8' leader. Thats standard salmon snagger gear. :chuckle: :fishin:
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 03:50:43 PM
Tell you what, I'll switch down from my good quality gear to the same stuff that most people use and then I'll just think it's a bite when I have a fish flossed....Seriously, go piss up a rope.
You don't want to be called a poacher, then quit snagging fish. :'(
Good quality gear? Let me guess,an Eagle Claw with an upside down spinning reel,some Danielson line and a 8' leader. Thats standard salmon snagger gear. :chuckle: :fishin:
My "beater" rod is a loomis GL2 with a Shimano calcutta reel...Prove my fish are snagged when they are hooked about 9/10 times 4-6" down their gullet with the last 1/10 just inside the corner of the mouth, people don't realize that the majority of the time when they catch salmon in fresh water that are hooked in the mouth...They flossed them! I just happened to figure it out and pay close attention to how it happened so that I can re-create the event.
Post by: Tony 270 on October 10, 2010, 04:23:58 PM
Anyone know the answer to my question? How do you know, if you can't see, if you're really "flossing" your fish or if they attack/bite/take your... lets say offering? Is cork and yarn flossing? If not, why would they go after cork and yarn, but not yarn? Or something else? If it is flossing then why is it so widely used and accepted? Actually I see snaggers using cork too, am sure they try to floss when they can. What makes one flossing and one not and how do you really know the difference when they're both hooked in the mouth?
Anyone???
Post by: BigD on October 10, 2010, 04:29:58 PM
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 04:41:20 PM
The reason so many feel corky and yarn is a good fishing method? They don't realize that it's mostly flossing...Some do, how many times have you heard people advocating yarn because it caught in the fish's teeth?
How do I tell when they are hooked in the mouth? I can feel their teeth! When you feel their teeth and a little head shake your lure, bait, corky, etc is in their mouth. Use small hooks on your gear and you will be able to slide clear of fins and won't stick on scales and such, for drifting eggs for kings I usually use a #1 or a #2 and no I don't mean 1/0 or 2/0, I'm a firm believer in small hooks.
Post by: tony04 on October 10, 2010, 04:46:39 PM
Post by: Tony 270 on October 10, 2010, 05:09:32 PM
As for the Tilton it is horrible! Obvious snaggers all day long. Will warn you if cops are around or ask you if they just showed up. I'm glad when the cops are watching, keeps the dishonest people honest.
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 05:15:47 PM
Thanks for the explanation, really didn't know and wasn't trying to argue.
Didn't figure you were, it seemed to me more like you were trying to educate yourself. I learn something new every time I fish, the trick is how to apply it ;)
Post by: BigD on October 10, 2010, 05:24:48 PM
I have no problem with any fishing method as long as it's legal gear and the fish is hooked in the mouth.
Post by: Gobble Doc on October 10, 2010, 05:48:56 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on October 10, 2010, 06:43:14 PM
illegal is illegal.
In your very humble opinion? Cry more.
[/quote]from the regs:
You May Not:
Snag or attempt to snag fish
definition of snagging per the regs:
Attempting to take fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth.
go to alaska if that's your thing, it's flat out illegal here and any decent fisherman knows its unethical.
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 06:45:41 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on October 10, 2010, 07:17:20 PM
Contrary to most people's belief salmon and stealhead will eat in a river.
If someone could spend all that time to master the flossing crap then why not spend some time getting baits that the fish will eat. It takes way more effort and attention to detail to get good baits than to feel a fish with a 10' leader running through it's mouth untill the hook tangles in it's gills or hits it in the side of the head.
Honestly I could care less how they do it in other states. it's not legal in Wa! If I fished where it was legal then I would do it also. way cheaper and takes almost zero skill to do.
if you think you are flossing and most of yer fish are hooked INSIDE the mouth then it's cool with me as I don't think it was flossed.The fish probably took it due to a good presentation. it's the guys who keep the ones with the hooks outside the mouth that piss me off.
Kris
Post by: FC on October 10, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Post by: Fishnclifff on October 10, 2010, 07:45:45 PM
Flossing is "legal snagging" as long as the hook is in the mouth orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr get this
Snagging Attempting to take fish with a hook
and line in such a way that the fish does not
voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth. In
freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish
hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth or
on the head.
Found this while talking with some older guys I fish with up there. I commented on a fish kept that was snagged in the top of the head and bill told me to look up the definition of snagging in this year's book.
I'll be damned, there it was. :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on October 10, 2010, 08:15:59 PM
Post by: Curly on October 10, 2010, 08:16:51 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 10, 2010, 08:18:58 PM
:yike:
Post by: Tony 270 on October 10, 2010, 08:38:34 PM
Post by: Viszla on October 13, 2010, 11:51:59 AM
Post by: dirty24d on October 13, 2010, 01:54:44 PM
Post by: sisu on October 13, 2010, 02:10:41 PM
My dentist says i dont floss enough. He encourages me to practice flossing daily. :chuckle:I know I do! :chuckle: :rolleyes: :o
Post by: 1morebuck on October 13, 2010, 02:14:17 PM
Post by: FC on October 13, 2010, 02:24:35 PM
I've only fished the skokomish once and that was more than enough, with a bunch of *censored*bags clomping right in on top of where we were fishing so they could start chucking their strings of 10/0 trebles with a pyramid weight at the bottom...I lost interest fast.
Post by: Ray on October 13, 2010, 02:26:42 PM
Post by: FC on October 13, 2010, 02:28:34 PM
I snagged a sturgeon on the snout this last weekend. Had he been large enough I'd have eaten him. :fishin:
Stand on his head and pull his tail :dunno: :P
Post by: Ray on October 13, 2010, 02:30:31 PM
Post by: FC on October 13, 2010, 02:36:57 PM
What's the boundaries of the definition on a fish head? Anything forward of the first gill slot? Maybe they'll come up with a definition for 'neck' next.
According to the regs: Head of a Fish - Forward of the rear margin of the gill plate.
Post by: rickomatic on October 14, 2010, 12:00:19 PM
Wee Dick Nite on a 6'-8' leader behind a pencil lead drop sinker. Fished from shore. Not trolled behind a boat.
If so, why?
If not, why not?
Please support with pictures............. :rolleyes:
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on October 14, 2010, 12:25:35 PM
Post by: Svtrc51 on October 14, 2010, 08:30:04 PM
I snagged a sturgeon on the snout this last weekend. Had he been large enough I'd have eaten him. :fishin::yeah:
I did the same thing last saturday below I-5! First for me.... Whoda thunk?