Post by: ELKBUGLE5 on October 09, 2010, 07:45:13 PM
Post by: Curly on October 09, 2010, 07:53:03 PM
Post by: ELKBUGLE5 on October 09, 2010, 08:05:45 PM
Post by: Humptulips on October 09, 2010, 08:22:10 PM
Post by: Curly on October 09, 2010, 08:29:26 PM
It would be sweet to have a bolt action in .284 Win so that you could take advantage of the case capacity..........but might as well have a 7-08. Factory 150gr loads will get around 2800 fps.
With the popularity of the 7mm-08, the .284 is obsolete now. You will be lucky to find a box of ammo in the stores and if you do it will be expensive.
Post by: Hyde on October 09, 2010, 10:19:03 PM
Post by: yorketransport on October 10, 2010, 07:45:08 AM
I don't have a 284, but I do have a 338/284 Winchester. The case is really a neat design that was just ahead of it's time in the mid 60s. I say buy it if it's a good deal.
Andrew
Post by: ELKBUGLE5 on October 10, 2010, 09:09:26 AM
Post by: mazama on October 10, 2010, 08:35:19 PM
Post by: Mike450r on October 11, 2010, 08:51:11 AM
I would love a model 88 in .284 but would have to do something about the magazine otherwise a 7mm-08 would be a wiser choice
Post by: ELKBUGLE5 on October 12, 2010, 06:48:51 AM
Post by: ELKBUGLE5 on October 12, 2010, 08:38:20 PM
Post by: Mike450r on October 13, 2010, 01:45:28 PM
Hey fellas, went to look at that 284 win, haven't bought it yet but did come back with some info, The guy says it is a 284 win , that is stamped on the barrel but, he also says it's a model K98, honestly left with more questions than answers. Maybe a custom made ? Or maybe I'm custom with a "K". :chuckle: I'm thin kn maybe a :bdid:
I would have to see it to be sure but sounds like a custom barreled German k98 mauser action so the 1943 in your first post would be accurate. If in good shape and a decent price I would snap it up. It should have a magazine that is not restricted to shorter than optimal factory .284 so you would be able to (if you reload or perhaps a friend reloads) load the .284 to it's full potential which makes it better than the 7mm-08. An earlier post compares the .284 to a short mag, this is not accurate. It is like the 7mm-08 based on the .308 case, the difference being the shoulder angle. Shoulder angle can have a substantial impact on powder capacity and cartridge performance. Ackley Improved cartridges are essentially just a change in shoulder angle which increases powder capacity and burn efficiency. If there were a 7mm-08 Ackley Improved it would look like the .284 Win.
Post by: yorketransport on October 13, 2010, 08:44:10 PM
An earlier post compares the .284 to a short mag, this is not accurate. It is like the 7mm-08 based on the .308 case, the difference being the shoulder angle. Shoulder angle can have a substantial impact on powder capacity and cartridge performance. Ackley Improved cartridges are essentially just a change in shoulder angle which increases powder capacity and burn efficiency. If there were a 7mm-08 Ackley Improved it would look like the .284 Win.
This isn't actually accurate. The 284 is a unique case design that's larger in diameter than the 308 case, but does use a rebated 308 sized rim (.473"). The 284 is .500" at the case head and a 308 is .470". The body is also longer by .215". It's a pretty noticeable differance when they're side by side.
Andrew
Post by: Mike450r on October 14, 2010, 07:27:12 AM
An earlier post compares the .284 to a short mag, this is not accurate. It is like the 7mm-08 based on the .308 case, the difference being the shoulder angle. Shoulder angle can have a substantial impact on powder capacity and cartridge performance. Ackley Improved cartridges are essentially just a change in shoulder angle which increases powder capacity and burn efficiency. If there were a 7mm-08 Ackley Improved it would look like the .284 Win.
This isn't actually accurate. The 284 is a unique case design that's larger in diameter than the 308 case, but does use a rebated 308 sized rim (.473"). The 284 is .500" at the case head and a 308 is .470". The body is also longer by .215". It's a pretty noticeable differance when they're side by side.
Andrew
Got schooled. Thanks for pointing that out. I was going by rim diameter
Post by: Curly on October 14, 2010, 08:23:23 AM
Hey fellas, went to look at that 284 win, haven't bought it yet but did come back with some info, The guy says it is a 284 win , that is stamped on the barrel but, he also says it's a model K98, honestly left with more questions than answers. Maybe a custom made ? Or maybe I'm custom with a "K". :chuckle: I'm thin kn maybe a :bdid:
Sounds like it may be a pretty nice rifle. If you don't mind saying, how much is the guy asking for it?
Post by: KimberRich on October 14, 2010, 01:28:25 PM
My father has one. It's a good round for deer and bear. I don't think it is quite enough for elk but he has killed a number of elk with it. If it's in any kind of shape sounds like a good deal.
Not sure why it's not enough for elk?? Great Elk round in my opinion.
Post by: KimberRich on October 14, 2010, 01:32:25 PM
The .284 win is a little better than 7mm-08 due to better case design. But you can only utilize this better case design with a magazine that holds handloaded rounds with the bullet seated longer than factory rounds. Older magazines were too short to hold rounds that could reach their full potential.
I would love a model 88 in .284 but would have to do something about the magazine otherwise a 7mm-08 would be a wiser choice
So by full potential are you talking amount of powder/fps from the round? I've got 2 model 88's and 1 model 100 in .284 and haven't had any magazine issues with any of my hand loads or factory ammo.
Post by: ELKBUGLE5 on October 14, 2010, 10:11:13 PM
Post by: Hyde on October 16, 2010, 07:43:48 PM
Post by: KimberRich on October 29, 2010, 04:11:08 PM
FYI collectors, there is a nice Win 100 in .284 at the Cabelas in Lacey. ($750.00 I believe) I saw it there today in the library.
About $150 higher than it's worth which is about the standard mark up there from what I've seen. :twocents: