Post by: BAR C3 on October 19, 2010, 09:23:18 PM
I know of two bucks killed, one mulie and one whitetail that displayed rut features. Smelled and the muley's neck already getting large.
Anyone else seeing this?
Post by: bobcat on October 19, 2010, 09:30:48 PM
Post by: stumprat on October 19, 2010, 09:34:17 PM
If it's the first week of November, that's not early. It's right on time! Same as every other year.
:yeah:
Post by: 400out on October 19, 2010, 09:37:43 PM
IN MONTANA :rolleyes:
Post by: BAR C3 on October 19, 2010, 09:45:07 PM
Let me clarify I'm also talking about Whitetails not Muleys. I've always seen them start earlier in November.
400out, Exactly why I hunt Montana!
Post by: bow4elk on October 19, 2010, 09:57:14 PM
I was reading another forum and there saying that this year we will have an early rut. Meaning in rifle season. Has something to do do with the second full moon. Not up on the scientific terms. Never been a believer that the moon had a huge bearing on it. They prove otherwise based on the records. Anyway, they say that we will never see this early of a rut during our lifetimes. So what that equates to is a bumper rifle season if they are right. :yike: Bow hunters will get second cycle. :bash: There calling for the rut to start in alot of places the first week of November.
I know of two bucks killed, one mulie and one whitetail that displayed rut features. Smelled and the muley's neck already getting large.
Anyone else seeing this?
The data you are referring to is from Charles Alsheimer and Wayne Laroche (Google "assessing the moon's impact of the whitetail rut by charles j. alsheimer")
This data only applies to deer living north of the 35th latitude. To get to the resulting data according to over a decade of research on wild whitetails, Charles Alsheimer has determined that the “rutting moon” is the second full moon following the Autumn Equinox, which was 9/22 this year. The first full moon is 10/22; the second full moon is 11/21. Here’s how the rut phases map to his logic:
Seeking Phase, spans 3-4 days before and after the rutting moon = 11/17 to 11/25
Chasing Phase, 3-4 days after the rutting moon, into breeding phasne = 11/24 to 11/28
Breeding Phase, ~7 days after the rutting moon, lasts about 14 days = 11/28 to 12/5. 70-80% of does are bredd. Those that aren't come back into estrous about 28 days later.
This year's Autumn Equinox was somewhat rare because for the first time since 1991, the harvest moon was full in the early hourss of 9/23. A full harvest moon so close to the Autumn Equinox is the "traditional definition" of a harvest moon. It won't happen again until 2029.
As for being early - nope. If anything, it may tend to be later this year based on the above data but deer herd dynamics are always the best indicator of how to plan your hunts in your hunting areas. If bucks are acting rutty, then toss all this out the window and get after it!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 19, 2010, 10:11:34 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 19, 2010, 10:12:53 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 19, 2010, 10:15:40 PM
Post by: Woodja on October 19, 2010, 10:18:17 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 19, 2010, 10:19:17 PM
in our area bobcat it was getting down to 31 at night ;) thats cold :P
Really? That's abnormally cold for mid-October? I don't know, really doesn't seem unusually cold for this time of year to me. :dunno:
Post by: bow4elk on October 19, 2010, 10:20:58 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 19, 2010, 10:22:42 PM
in our area bobcat it was getting down to 31 at night ;) thats cold :P
Really? That's abnormally cold for mid-October? I don't know, really doesn't seem unusually cold for this time of year to me. :dunno:
not really for here. last year we had a inch of snow come threw on the 13th of october right before the season.
Post by: bow4elk on October 19, 2010, 10:23:11 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 19, 2010, 10:25:24 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 19, 2010, 10:26:41 PM
yes i think you r right bobcat as long as it has 400" of orange and not brown limbs or patterns you should be legal. good question.
Post by: bow4elk on October 19, 2010, 10:26:57 PM
Speaking or orange, is "camo orange" legal? I was looking at getting a new orange vest and saw some in the Cabelas catalog. I guess it would be as long as you had 400 square inches of actual orange? Anybody know? Sorry for the thread jack. :chuckle:
nobody would question it becasue they'd have to prove it wasn't 400 sq. in. to cite you...and that stuff screams orange!
Post by: bobcat on October 19, 2010, 10:50:15 PM
Post by: Sneekee23 on October 19, 2010, 11:15:06 PM
Post by: Wyoming08 on October 19, 2010, 11:58:44 PM
our bench legs have started rutting. with this cold weather it does not suprise me. only one had a big puffy neck and had sticky back legs from marking and urinating on himself.
The buck I missed on the opener put his head down and chased his doe around the hillside, even after he had been shot at 4 times. Twice by me and twice by some other guy. He was totally starting.
The big buck we did get did have a big neck on him already as well..
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 20, 2010, 12:00:29 AM