Post by: Wyoming08 on October 19, 2010, 11:47:15 PM
My son wanted to go after the Mulies as he has spent alot of time in Utah over the last few years and has hunted down there with his Uncle and all his brothers. They do some Guiding for a few Outfitters and he has fallen in LOVE with the thought of being a full time hunting guide. My son has been with me on every hunt since he was 5. My wife wouldn't let him go any sooner. If any one is a bigger hunting nut. I haven't met them yet. :camp:
So because I am gone all week for work and would have been over on the Snake all weekend, my wife asked me if I would just go to "the other spot" and come home saturday night. :o It is a couple hours closer to home. I asked my son if that would be ok and he agreed, but said he wouldn't shoot any " Dink Bench Buck". It would have to be a 4 point or nothing. He's 17 and ya ok Cody whatever. I think I have heard that before, and the first 2 point we saw got shot. :chuckle: I figured my wife would be happy and we could for sure find a 3 pt for someone to shoot.
So we leave Friday afternoon, and JD and his boy Evan already have their trailer set up, so we go out and spot a few deer before the night. Evan is 12 and hasn't ever killed a deer, but he has been practicing all summer with his dad at the range. We are all excited for the morning hunt, and after a Mossback video of some great deer hunting, I think we all go to sleep hoping we will see that nice Bench leg Muley-Black cross in the morning.
The morning comes and we get breakfast and head out to our spot. We head out before light and should be in a perfect spot when the season starts. As luck would have it there are only 3 other guys at the spot with us, so hunting pressure should be great out at our spot. We hike in a couple miles and Cody and I split up from JD and Evan. JD just had knee surgery so had to take it a little easy. Our plan was to walk a nother mile or so, out to our spot, and then still hunt back towards where JD and Evan were waiting.
Cody and I get to our spot, and jump 2 bucks right off the bat. One was a 20" straight 2 point, and the other a small 3pt. They stop at about 80 yards and just stare at us. If only the 2 point had a eye guard, I would have shot it. He was pretty heavy, and he had some nice 10" forks. Just not legal! :( I wasn't going to shoot his little "Legal" friend, especially so early in the morning. ( I did get them on video) ;) My Guide Cody said No way was he shooting that "BABY".
So Cody and I start our hunt back toward where our partners were waiting, and we stop a few places and glass for a while. We see several Doe, and then Cody says, "Dad, over on that hill there is a good buck bedded down." He's just sitting there in the wide open. I pull up my range finder, and he is 384 yards. I said Cody thats a good buck take him! Nope hes not big enough! Ok he's 2 for 2 on holding out for a big one! :dunno: ALright I'll shoot that guy. He was a 3x4 with about a 17" spread, just almost out to his ears. SO we drop our gear, and backtrack around the hill and try to get closer. We come up over the hill where we can see the buck just still sitting there waiting for the sun to come and shine on him to get him up and moving. We are on a hillside now facing him, so we can't get any closer. Cody gets set up on the video cam, and I get into position for a shot. On a side note In working out of town the one thing I forgot to throw in was...yep my stupid shooting sticks :bash: I really wish I had them. I always shoot off of them. The tree would have to work today. I put the range finder on him again, and at 340 yards( Ya not much closer) I got ready for the shot. The buck stood up, and just as I was about to shoot, some guy WAAAAYYY below me shoots straight up at him. Hits the dirt at his feet. The buck jumps and goes about 15 feet, and stops. So I shoot. He runs another few steps and the other guy shoot. He keeps going, and now at about 380 he stops. So I take a final shot at him and he jumps, and starts running around the hillside. DAMN! :dunno: My video guy couldn't tell where I hit. So we walk over and the guy from below and a girl with him walk up, and before I could say anything to him he just takes off with her and goes after the buck. I wanted to tell him we got it all on video, but I guess he didn't want to chat. I must have ruined his morning. :ACRY: Sorry Dude, Didn't have any clue you were Way down there in the canyon.
So Cody and I continue over the hillside where the buck had ran, JD and Evan were about 500 yards away and in the direction the buck had ran. I figured they heard us shoot and would have seen the buck come around the edge of the hillside.. I guess he disappeared.. No blood either. We meet up with them and they have seen several Doe, but no Bucks. We sit there and glass the valley for about an hour and see several more doe. Including one who was really hiding. Look for her in the round picture.
Our afternoon hunt we decide to go back out to where we met our friends earlier. This valley is my favorite spot, as I have killed 4 bucks out of it in the last several years. As we get there, Cody says " Dad there is a deer, and its a buck. I whistle to JD and Evan and get them to come sit next to us. We watch this buck as he walks up onto a little bench and beds down right in the WIDE OPEN. :o Wow we check him out and get our video cam set up. He looks like a good 4 point. This is Cody's buck, he spotted it, but he tells Evan to get ready. I put the range finder up on him. 237 yards. We get Evan all set up with a perfect dead rest on his backpack. His dad and I are both ready to back him up.
:hunter: Bang! Down he goes, he just tipped over, a perfect shot. He couldn't have hit him any better. Great shot Evan. After some congratulations, Cody Evan and I head down to get the buck. We send JD back to the truck to bring it to the bottom of the canyon.( Remember his bad knee?) :chuckle:
As we walk up this buck has no ground shinkage and just gets bigger and bigger. Evan has just shot the biggest buck that Cody and I have ever seen over here. :drool: It is a nice heavy horned 4x5 with double eye guards.
What a great season opener for all of us. It sure was neat to see Cody "Guide" Evan and its on occasions like this that make me sure proud of him. Thanks Cody for being such a great hunting partner and Son. Congratulations to Evan and his dad JD. :)
SO YOU KNOW HOW COMPETITIVE BROTHERS ARE??? :dunno: Evans older brother Derek wasn't able to go out on opening weekend, and lets just say he wasn't to thrilled that little brother connected on a great first buck. So JD and Derek made it out for the second weekend and went back to where Evan had killed his buck. They set up Saturday morning about 200yards from where we were before. A few Doe came out of the bottom, and then a nice legal buck. Derek made a shot at about 120yards. The Buck humped up and moved off into the trees. After a while of waiting, Derek and JD went and found the blood trail, and came upon the buck. Derek was able to make a great finishing shot, and shot a very nice 2x3 with nice eyeguards. Congratulations Derek. Way to keep the brotherly competition alive! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Wyoming08 on October 20, 2010, 11:00:18 PM
Heres the ones everyone has been wanting to see! Nice buck huh?
Post by: Wyoming08 on October 20, 2010, 11:04:51 PM
Brothers buck pictures added
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Post by: banannaclip on October 21, 2010, 09:12:23 AM
.congrats
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Post by: Wyoming08 on October 22, 2010, 09:53:55 AM
Nice deer! I have a 12 yr old son looking for his first buck what does your son charge to guide?? :)
:dunno: He's still in the...Lets go hunt and I'll spot you a buck phase. Maybe next year a fee will come in to play??? Just as long as I never have to pay anything. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: hirshey on October 22, 2010, 10:29:25 AM
That is a great looking buck. Way to go!
VERY nice animal! Congrats on a great memory!
Post by: Fishnclifff on October 22, 2010, 10:46:31 AM
I am presuming you hunted the Washington side of the Snake.
I don't see any legal hunters orange on your son the guide.
Call me what you want, but he is shown carrying a rifle, in the field, hunting deer, where HO is required, minimum of 400 sq inches. the hat doesn't cut it.
Sayin he was just a guide ain't workin. he was carrying a gun.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but everyone in your party should have been legal.
Post by: scout88 on October 22, 2010, 11:37:13 AM
Post by: Bulldog on October 22, 2010, 12:13:33 PM
Congrats!! Good work!
Go Utes!! lol
CS
Post by: butcher98951 on October 22, 2010, 04:03:25 PM
Very nice buck.
I am presuming you hunted the Washington side of the Snake.
I don't see any legal hunters orange on your son the guide.
Call me what you want, but he is shown carrying a rifle, in the field, hunting deer, where HO is required, minimum of 400 sq inches. the hat doesn't cut it.
Sayin he was just a guide ain't workin. he was carrying a gun.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but everyone in your party should have been legal.
Ya and i bet you Hunter joe always follows the law :rolleyes:
Post by: Fishnclifff on October 22, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
He didn't make an excuse but sure as hell, someone is going to.
Post by: hirshey on October 22, 2010, 09:44:40 PM
Very nice buck.
I am presuming you hunted the Washington side of the Snake.
I don't see any legal hunters orange on your son the guide.
Call me what you want, but he is shown carrying a rifle, in the field, hunting deer, where HO is required, minimum of 400 sq inches. the hat doesn't cut it.
Sayin he was just a guide ain't workin. he was carrying a gun.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but everyone in your party should have been legal.
Ya and i bet you Hunter joe always follows the law :rolleyes:
The gentleman does have a point, though... and it is best to start the next generation of hunters out on the right foot as far as abiding by the regulations.
Regardless it appears you made some great memories this season: better reward your guide with a nice Browning Big Country blaze orange vest. :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on October 22, 2010, 09:51:58 PM
Post by: bighorns2bushytails on October 23, 2010, 12:25:56 AM
great write up and great story. congrats to the young hunter who took that fine deer.
--bh2bt
Post by: butcher98951 on October 23, 2010, 04:24:52 AM
Actually I do and it frustrates the hell out of me that others don't and make up lame excuses for not .
He didn't make an excuse but sure as hell, someone is going to.
Well im sorry to say but if you need orange to tell you that it is not a animal then i feel you should not be hunting...What about just be dam sure what you are shooting at in the first place....
Post by: alanger on October 23, 2010, 04:38:36 AM
Very nice buck.Seriously, STFU, its people like you that just are causing trouble on peoples trophy threads. His son spotted a nice buck and got him on one. its not illegal to carry a gun :P
I am presuming you hunted the Washington side of the Snake.
I don't see any legal hunters orange on your son the guide.
Call me what you want, but he is shown carrying a rifle, in the field, hunting deer, where HO is required, minimum of 400 sq inches. the hat doesn't cut it.
Sayin he was just a guide ain't workin. he was carrying a gun.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but everyone in your party should have been legal.
Post by: alanger on October 23, 2010, 04:39:10 AM
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 23, 2010, 07:34:01 AM
Post by: Fishnclifff on October 24, 2010, 02:09:19 PM
Very nice buck.Seriously, STFU, its people like you that just are causing trouble on peoples trophy threads. His son spotted a nice buck and got him on one. its not illegal to carry a gun :P
I am presuming you hunted the Washington side of the Snake.
I don't see any legal hunters orange on your son the guide.
Call me what you want, but he is shown carrying a rifle, in the field, hunting deer, where HO is required, minimum of 400 sq inches. the hat doesn't cut it.
Sayin he was just a guide ain't workin. he was carrying a gun.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but everyone in your party should have been legal.
The point wasn't that it is illegal to carry a gun numbnuts.
He was not wearing Orange as required by the hunting regulations.
If you are going to wave a flag and say look at me,,, it's best not to have your zipper down---know what I mean?
The orange hat SHOULD be enough. He doesn't look like a deer to me. Plus he's with other people who also have orange on. Would be pretty hard to mistake that group of hunters for a herd of deer. Sometimes, I think common sense should be all we need to follow. Yes I wear my orange, but certainly don't agree with the law.
The orange hat isn't enough per the regs.
I don't need orange to tell it is not a deer. I hunted all week seeing nimrods with no orange.
Got to see some citations handed out for wearing just a hat or no orange at all. watched a guy almost lose a deer over it.
If you are going to post your stories and pics, make sure you are legal.
Post by: Wyoming08 on October 25, 2010, 08:33:39 PM
Very nice buck.Seriously, STFU, its people like you that just are causing trouble on peoples trophy threads. His son spotted a nice buck and got him on one. its not illegal to carry a gun :P
I am presuming you hunted the Washington side of the Snake.
I don't see any legal hunters orange on your son the guide.
Call me what you want, but he is shown carrying a rifle, in the field, hunting deer, where HO is required, minimum of 400 sq inches. the hat doesn't cut it.
Sayin he was just a guide ain't workin. he was carrying a gun.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but everyone in your party should have been legal.
The point wasn't that it is illegal to carry a gun numbnuts.
He was not wearing Orange as required by the hunting regulations.
If you are going to wave a flag and say look at me,,, it's best not to have your zipper down---know what I mean?The orange hat SHOULD be enough. He doesn't look like a deer to me. Plus he's with other people who also have orange on. Would be pretty hard to mistake that group of hunters for a herd of deer. Sometimes, I think common sense should be all we need to follow. Yes I wear my orange, but certainly don't agree with the law.
The orange hat isn't enough per the regs.
I don't need orange to tell it is not a deer. I hunted all week seeing nimrods with no orange.
Got to see some citations handed out for wearing just a hat or no orange at all. watched a guy almost lose a deer over it.
If you are going to post your stories and pics, make sure you are legal.
OK GUYS! :P My Son was wearing a orange Remington shirt all day. HE was legal. We ALWAYS FOLLOW THE LAWS. I don't need some idiot even thinking he is a deer. He had taken it off for a while when we were spotting, and didn't put it back on after we started dragging it. He only walked out the bottom of the draw like that.
He was also hunting, that is why he has his gun. Yes He did show alot of restraint not taking that BUCK. My wife is having a hard time believing he didn't want to shoot it...Go figure huh.
Thanks for all the Great comments and praises. :o :o
Post by: saylean on October 25, 2010, 08:35:19 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 25, 2010, 08:41:56 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 27, 2010, 11:47:40 AM
Point is it's kind of ridiculous to try to accuse someone of breaking laws just from looking at a picture.
It does get a little tiring. We should try to leave the "sharpshooting" on the range...
Post by: Fishnclifff on October 27, 2010, 03:22:01 PM
Another thought... from looking at the pictures you don't know if he's actually "hunting." So he's carrying a rifle, yes, but you don't have to wear orange for carrying a rifle in the woods. Only if you are hunting. I'm not sure how you'd prove to a game warden that you weren't hunting though. But I think if the rifle is unloaded you could say you were not hunting. Just like once you kill an animal and notch your tag, you aren't hunting anymore and can take the orange off. Point is it's kind of ridiculous to try to accuse someone of breaking laws just from looking at a picture.
During Modern firearm season, if you are in the field with a legal caliber weapon, you are hunting and are required to wear HO.
This is from a gamie, just before he took a hunters rifle and issued him a $1700 ticket.
The hunter said and I quote" I'm just walking in the woods".
The gamie said" if you are armed, you are presumed to be in the act of hunting, during an open season.
By the way, the guy had already tagged out.
He was sighted for
No HO
Hunting mod. season without a tag
The pics of him #1 and #4 are of him hunting. He is using binos to look for deer.
" He had taken it off for a while when we were spotting" there is no vest visible in the pics, especially #4
As I said before, someone will make excuses for him not following the rules.
Post by: 270Shooter on October 27, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
Post by: TheHunt on October 27, 2010, 03:44:15 PM
The point has been made, he should have had his orange on becuase he was in an open modern firearm deer or elk season, and he had the tags for these animals... we get it... don't say you have never broken a law ... quit being a dick. :tung:
Now that is a funny quote!!!
Post by: alanger on October 27, 2010, 03:49:35 PM
dude dont be a dicklick, theres always people like you that always think you have to find something wrong with someone or something they are doing. you dont know they didnt have hunter orange on him if it wasnt in the picture numbnut it cfould have been in a backpack, i layer down after i get somethin, packin meat works up a sweatAnother thought... from looking at the pictures you don't know if he's actually "hunting." So he's carrying a rifle, yes, but you don't have to wear orange for carrying a rifle in the woods. Only if you are hunting. I'm not sure how you'd prove to a game warden that you weren't hunting though. But I think if the rifle is unloaded you could say you were not hunting. Just like once you kill an animal and notch your tag, you aren't hunting anymore and can take the orange off. Point is it's kind of ridiculous to try to accuse someone of breaking laws just from looking at a picture.
During Modern firearm season, if you are in the field with a legal caliber weapon, you are hunting and are required to wear HO.
This is from a gamie, just before he took a hunters rifle and issued him a $1700 ticket.
The hunter said and I quote" I'm just walking in the woods".
The gamie said" if you are armed, you are presumed to be in the act of hunting, during an open season.
By the way, the guy had already tagged out.
He was sighted for
No HO
Hunting mod. season without a tag
The pics of him #1 and #4 are of him hunting. He is using binos to look for deer.
" He had taken it off for a while when we were spotting" there is no vest visible in the pics, especially #4
As I said before, someone will make excuses for him not following the rules.
Post by: Curly on October 27, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 27, 2010, 04:40:09 PM
Post by: Wyoming08 on October 27, 2010, 05:10:39 PM
The point has been made, he should have had his orange on becuase he was in an open modern firearm deer or elk season, and he had the tags for these animals... we get it... don't say you have never broken a law ... quit being a dick. :tung:
Thank you. :yeah: Holy crap! I'm not going to make any excuses as to when he had it on, or not. YES he should have had it on ALL DAY LONG, so dicks like you wouldn't nitpick everylittle thing. Whoopdy friggin doo, he did take his shirt off :bash: :bash: :bash: OH YA when we were hiking and he didn't have his blaze orange shirt on, his backpack had a blaze orange section that is 12" by 30" so add that up, and his hat...Is he Legal now??? :yike: :yike:
Thanks Pathfinder!
Post by: Wyoming08 on October 27, 2010, 05:24:36 PM
Hope this satisfy's you!!! :bash: :bash: :pee: Orange on his Backpack.. He did have that on! And it makes him LEGAL
Post by: Fishnclifff on October 27, 2010, 05:32:55 PM
The point has been made, he should have had his orange on becuase he was in an open modern firearm deer or elk season, and he had the tags for these animals... we get it... don't say you have never broken a law ... quit being a dick. :tung:
Thank you. :yeah: Holy crap! I'm not going to make any excuses as to when he had it on, or not. YES he should have had it on ALL DAY LONG, so dicks like you wouldn't nitpick everylittle thing. Whoopdy friggin doo, he did take his shirt off :bash: :bash: :bash: OH YA when we were hiking and he didn't have his blaze orange shirt on, his backpack had a blaze orange section that is 12" by 30" so add that up, and his hat...Is he Legal now??? :yike: :yike: Thanks Pathfinder!
I'm not tryin to be a dick, but, me pointing this out does not cost you or anyone else money, it just might save you some money.
WAC 232-12-055 Agency filings affecting this section
Hunting — Hunter orange clothing requirements.
(1) Except as authorized in subsection (5) of this section, it is unlawful to hunt upland birds or rabbits during any upland game bird season unless the hunter is wearing fluorescent hunter orange clothing.
(2) It is unlawful to hunt deer or elk during all modern firearm general seasons in any manner unless the hunter is wearing fluorescent hunter orange clothing.
(3) All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing.
(6) Wearing fluorescent hunter orange clothing means: A minimum of 400 square inches of fluorescent hunter orange exterior clothing, worn above the waist and visible from all sides.
(7) Violation of this section is an infraction, punishable under RCW 77.15.160.
In answer to your question----NO the pack was not legal.
Post by: Mark B on October 27, 2010, 05:34:35 PM
Post by: Fishnclifff on October 27, 2010, 05:39:28 PM
I do care that people take their kids hunting and don't follow the rules. it gets worse every year.
Not sayin he is one of these types.
I gave him kudos for a nice buck. Also nice to see a family hunting together.
I just don't like seein good people get a ticket for something simple.
Like I said, me pointing it out , doesn't cost anyone a thing.
Post by: Buckoholic on October 27, 2010, 06:47:42 PM
Post by: Wyoming08 on October 27, 2010, 09:25:44 PM
Congratulations DEREK!
Post by: Fishnclifff on October 27, 2010, 09:28:32 PM
I have a REM. 710 that looks similar.
Nice buck again
Post by: butcher98951 on October 28, 2010, 06:22:49 PM
Nope not mad at all. I don't kill one every year and I don't mind.
I do care that people take their kids hunting and don't follow the rules. it gets worse every year.
Not sayin he is one of these types.
I gave him kudos for a nice buck. Also nice to see a family hunting together.
I just don't like seein good people get a ticket for something simple.
Like I said, me pointing it out , doesn't cost anyone a thing.
you are to mad or jealous you to could have what he has IF YOU WORNT A ROAD HUNTER. Next season try hunting a little.. So drop it Elmer Fud... :'( :'(
Post by: bearhunter99 on October 29, 2010, 05:15:02 PM
My take on all this is that yes he should be wearing more orange and it is our responsibility to teach the younger generation the laws, whether we agree with them or not. HOWEVER, I also think that the threads seem to be getting hijacked alot this year and most is unnecessary. There are things called PM's that can convey the message to the poster in a less highlighted manner and does not take away from the thread in itself. I hadn't noticed the lack of orange at first but I would think that a simple PM to the poster would have taken care of this. If it is a message that someone feels needs to be addressed openly then start a new thread,
"I have noticed blank in a few posts and want to remind everyone what the regs say concerning this matter"
Nuff said
Post by: hirshey on October 29, 2010, 05:36:28 PM