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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: 300MAGNUM on October 27, 2010, 11:30:01 PM
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I got a nice 10 point tonight.
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Wait, I think I see 11 points there buddy !! :chuckle:
Great Buck, Nice work !!
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:tup: nice buck
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Dang.. Nice buck!
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Hmmm i like the flashlight rubberbanded to the stabilizer :dunno:
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Hmmm i like the flashlight rubberbanded to the stabilizer :dunno:
What's that all about???? Is that a flashlight?
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That is one heck of a blacktail! Great job!
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you all notice the light on the stabalizer but look past the rheostat light on the bow sight! :bdid:
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I noticed that as well. I'm sure that there are no batteries in the sight light and that is just a spare stablizer strapped to the other. :rolleyes: Nice buck though.
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That's a big blacktail............not sure what to think about the flashlite thing.
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Wow what a dandy buck, not sure why or if that is a flash light, but bad idea to post a pic of it on here, this might get ugly.
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Very Nice Blacktail. Suspect flashlight....
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Nice Buck, BUT UMMMMMMMMM Just having that flashlight attached is a violation even if it didnt have batteries. There is only one reason for that flashlight to be on the Stabalizer. To bad to sad I guess
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I don't think it's illegal unless it's an integral part of the bow weapon. Being hung there by rubberband is not exactly integral. Could be wrong but thats my understanding. On the other hand I'm not sure why it's there. I know that
if I left my flashlight taped to my 30-06 err.... uh.... well... forget it. :rolleyes:
Lets not freak on the guy yet boys and girls. Sometimes you all get the mob mentality going and just start bashing without knowing the whole story.
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I just want to know where I can shoot a huge Blacktail like that right next to the road!!!!
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I know I know....
I have a spot in Fall City. If I give my area out I only want a few folks there. I have since moved and live in Idaho now. We have pictures of an 8x8 typical blacktail on my trail cam took. I posted it on another site a while ago. Blackies can get big if they get a chance to grow.
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I do have to say very nice blacktail. I am with gutpile on this. Before everyone starts bashing on this guy lets here the story. One thing I noticed is that it is light in the picture and the buck does not appear to be stiff. Also the guts are still in the deer.
I am on the same page with everyone on the lights on the bow but I would like to hear a story on this.
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Bow season open yesterday. ??? Is it legally to use flashlight on bow? No wonder nice buck.
Mulehunter
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small body big rack . I like that combo .
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Nice buck! He probably uses the light to get to or from his stand in the dark and have an extra hand.....ease up everybody :twocents:
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Its quite possible he is using a bow in rifle season... maybe in a firearm restricted zone.. Its open till the end of the month.. I'm also guessing he's from some place else with the 10 point post... Maybe in the rifle season you are exempt from certain archery season rules? :dunno:
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What a beautiful buck! :drool:
I've killed a lot of animals with a bow, but have never seen one without a speck of blood on the animal. You scare it to death? :yike:
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up here we call that a 5x5, nice Island deer though. I wonder if they sell those nice hunting shirts at cabela's???
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I don't think it's illegal unless it's an integral part of the bow weapon. Being hung there by rubberband is not exactly integral. Could be wrong but thats my understanding. On the other hand I'm not sure why it's there. I know that if I left my flashlight taped to my 30-06 err.... uh.... well... forget it. :rolleyes:
Lets not freak on the guy yet boys and girls. Sometimes you all get the mob mentality going and just start bashing without knowing the whole story.
VERY ILLEGAL... no electrical or battery operated anything attahced to the bow or even the arrow. Lighted nocks are even illegal here. No cameras attached to the bow... nothing. Pretty dumb to post pics like this, don't want to jump to conclusions but it is illegal.
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that is a helluva blacktail 300. congrats!!
looks like a pretty tough drag :chuckle:
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from the hunting reg's page 70:
b. It is unlawful to have any electrical
equipment or electric device(s) attached to
the bow or arrow while hunting.
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Sweet looking buck.
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from the hunting reg's page 70:
b. It is unlawful to have any electrical
equipment or electric device(s) attached to
the bow or arrow while hunting.
Thanks. I was too lazy to look it up.
I still can't figure out why it's there. Makes one wonder doesn't it? Wonder if he's gonna get a phone call? :chuckle: OOPS!!! :chuckle:
This is actually pretty funny. :chuckle:
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His deer from last year was interesting as well.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,37867.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,37867.0.html)
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from the hunting reg's page 70:
b. It is unlawful to have any electrical
equipment or electric device(s) attached to
the bow or arrow while hunting.
Thanks. I was too lazy to look it up.
I still can't figure out why it's there. Makes one wonder doesn't it? Wonder if he's gonna get a phone call? :chuckle: OOPS!!! :chuckle:
This is actually pretty funny. :chuckle:
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I am pretty sure the WDFW enforcement will be calling..... YIKES!
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This IS a joke isn't it?
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He is online, maybe he needs to explain this a little more?
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from the hunting reg's page 70:
b. It is unlawful to have any electrical
equipment or electric device(s) attached to
the bow or arrow while hunting.
Thanks. I was too lazy to look it up.
I still can't figure out why it's there. Makes one wonder doesn't it? Wonder if he's gonna get a phone call? :chuckle: OOPS!!! :chuckle:
This is actually pretty funny. :chuckle:
Washington state follows Pope & Young rules. No electronics whatso ever. Also radios are not allowed to help zero in on animals.
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This IS a joke isn't it?
:yeah: I have seen some strange things on here...but this is right up on my top 10!!! Cant wait to hear the reason for a flashlight!!!
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Here is what Pope and Young repilied to me regarding lighted nocks and any electrical equipment....
The rule regarding electronics (which was established back in the 1980s) includes the statement “no electronics attached to the bow or arrow.” Therefore, any battery-operated device, such as lighted nocks, would violate that rule and, as such, an animal harvested with the use of such devices would not be eligible to be honored in the Records Program.
Kevin
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I got a nice 10 point tonight.
We're definitely gonna need a story to go with this one.
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I'm on board with everyone else....hell of a buck BUT wth is up with the flashflight?
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Some people on this site must be just plain miserable. No it's not a flash light, and I don't own a sight light.
I got out of work at 4, got to my hunting spot at 4:20. Put on my bibs and parka. I changed the memory cards on the trail cameras, and climbed up in my stand. I saw the doe first coming from the left, and this guy was following behind her about 25 feet. His neck was all streached out and his nose was up in the air. I shot him at 21 yards with a 100 grain thunderhead broadhead. he didn't react like he was shot. He jumped up a bit, then walked underneath my tree stand. He stood there a bit, then walked behind my tree laid down and died. I din't time it, but I think it took him about 3 minutes to die. He lifted his head when I walked up to him, then put it back down. I got the truck, and came back he had expired. I gutted him then took him to the processor. They informed me that he had to be skinned, so I went back home and skinned him, then dropped him back off.
I typed this all out last night but this site kept dumping me out because I tried to use the original size picture. I figured out that I had to resize the picture, Duh.
To everyone who offer me congratulations, I wish to express my thanks. To the haters and skeptics, I will pray for you also. I really don't feel like posting on here any more. Good luck to you all.
Sincerely,
Dennis J. Ortenburg
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2 questions for you before you stop posting....If it is not a flashlight, what is it??? And why is there absolutely NO blood on that animal at all?!?! Did you wash it off???
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Dam nice blacktail.
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Love the buck, but the pickup in the background ruins the photo. It should be a white Ford (mine) :P
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Not grilling you but you do have 2 items that seem illegal, a flashlight and a lighted sight. If thats not what they are please explain. Also there are no areas open yesterday for hunting bucks with a bow. Do you have a rifle tag? It is a nice buck and if you took it 100% legal then congratulations if not.......
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You can use a bow in rifle season if you want. I believe they still have to follow the hunter orange rules of rifle season though.
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dont let em get ya down, jealousy can be a pain in the ass. thats a great buck, no two ways around it congrats to you.
question for the question askers, what if it is a flashlight and he banded there because it was easy :dunno: maybe it wasnt there while he was hunting? some folks are awful quick to jump to concussions around here and it does get old.
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Hunting with a bow in rifle season is legal and smart, the deer are rutting then.
But it does look like a flash light.. just sayin
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You can use a bow in rifle season if you want. I believe they still have to follow the hunter orange rules of rifle season though.
You have to have a rifle tag to use a bow during rifle season and follow hunter orange requirements.
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dont let em get ya down, jealousy can be a pain in the ass. thats a great buck, no two ways around it congrats to you.
question for the question askers, what if it is a flashlight and he banded there because it was easy :dunno: maybe it wasnt there while he was hunting? some folks are awful quick to jump to concussions around here and it does get old.
Well if you walk out of the woods draggin a deer and have it strapped to your bow and the warden is standin there you're gonna get time to explain it to the judge while you are arguing the ticked.
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I would really like to know why there isn't any blood at all!! I know some guys wash up their game before pictures....but there isn't any blood at all!! Not even a blood stain on the inner legs....and if it was a lung hit, did he wash out the inside of it's mouth?!?! There is quite a bit that doesn't add up on this one......
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Hunting with a bow in rifle season is legal and smart, the deer are rutting then.
But it does look like a flash light.. just sayin
especially if you're hunting in a firearms restricted area.
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I forgot to add that there is blood on the deer. It is above the white string guide. This is the side the arrow came out, and he laid down on that side, so it is a bit smuged. There is still blood on the arrow. I had to resize the picture to post it here. I will never post anything on here again, think whatever you want. Some people are just jealous and mean.
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dont let em get ya down, jealousy can be a pain in the ass. thats a great buck, no two ways around it congrats to you.
question for the question askers, what if it is a flashlight and he banded there because it was easy :dunno: maybe it wasnt there while he was hunting? some folks are awful quick to jump to concussions around here and it does get old.
I wondered why the game warden was giving me a bunch of crap the other day when I was dragging my buck out with my Barrett .50BMG...I wasn't hunting with it.
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Why, is a 50BMG illegal to hunt with?
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Ok, now that the lack of blood thing has been explained......kind of......If that isn't a flash light, what is it?!?!
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forgive me if this pisses you off but you posted a picture of you and an archery killed deer. The bow "seems" to have electronics attached that is the first violation. The second is you have not clarified that you have a rifle tag. That's all. It is a nice deer and hopefully everything is on the up and up. It's your picture and those are the facts in the picture. Kinda like the guy that shot the big bull elk years ago and right behind him was the yellowstone park boundry sign. Pictures don't lie.
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Not grilling you but you do have 2 items that seem illegal, a flashlight and a lighted sight. If thats not what they are please explain. Also there are no areas open yesterday for hunting bucks with a bow. Do you have a rifle tag? It is a nice buck and if you took it 100% legal then congratulations if not.......
He already said it wasent a light and does not own a lighted sight!
Why does the guy owe anybody anything? Geez. Nicest Buck of the year and everybody has to grill the guy. No one ever heard of hunting with a Bow during rifle season? It is the Rut time when the biggies are dumb. Bow4elk hunts a bow during Rifle. So do I.
Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
How many pics are on this site with people and there animals without there vests on. ALLOT!
Like jealous girls...
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Why, is a 50BMG illegal to hunt with?
apparently it's not. I was mistaken.
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why did he give you crap about the barret, is there a max caliber law i dont know about? :) i am just saying we don't know what all happened or didnt happen, why is it always assumed to be the worst case, or at least it seems that way.
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I forgot to add that there is blood on the deer. It is above the white string guide. This is the side the arrow came out, and he laid down on that side, so it is a bit smuged. There is still blood on the arrow. I had to resize the picture to post it here. I will never post anything on here again, think whatever you want. Some people are just jealous and mean.
Some people on here are indeed jealous and mean. And some people won't say what the hell that thing is on their stabilizer that looks suspiciously like a flashlight. But you are smart to remain silent, it is your right, and after blowing up the picture and seeing that it still looks like a flashlight I would say you may end up having those rights read to you by the officer that knocks on your door with a copy of the picture asking the same question. Not trying to really be a prick but I think there is enought there to warrant the question being asked.
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300 you don't have to tell anybody anything. But you know that. What a f...ing tragedy to kill this guys post by everybody jumping to conclusions.
First a bad ass Elk by BWB and his friend, now this. 2 of the nicest animals on here maybe ever...
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I forgot to add that there is blood on the deer. It is above the white string guide. This is the side the arrow came out, and he laid down on that side, so it is a bit smuged. There is still blood on the arrow. I had to resize the picture to post it here. I will never post anything on here again, think whatever you want. Some people are just jealous and mean.
No i don't think Jealous is a good word to use. it just does not seem to add up. if this is for real which I am starting to wonder if this is just not a really good photoshopped picture but if not congrats that is an oputstanding animal for sure. what is with the Flashlight or what ever that may be strapped to the side of the bow. and the blood spot??? really. again congrats if this is real but i think this is just a photoshopped picture. I am by no means jealous that is for sure. things just do not seem to add up from what i have been reading on this.
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Yes i meant you can use a bow in rifle season with a modern fire arm tag, and hunter orange, you all knew what I meant
Now back to the mag light discussion
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Flashlight on the bow... what a great technique for getting those big blacktail bucks that don't come out till dark.
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forgive me if this pisses you off but you posted a picture of you and an archery killed deer. The bow "seems" to have electronics attached that is the first violation. The second is you have not clarified that you have a rifle tag. That's all. It is a nice deer and hopefully everything is on the up and up. It's your picture and those are the facts in the picture. Kinda like the guy that shot the big bull elk years ago and right behind him was the yellowstone park boundry sign. Pictures don't lie.
i wanna see that pic maybe someone can pm me a link to it
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:yeah:
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For the sake of the argument lets say that this individual is legally hunting during rifle deer season (possess a rifle tag) and either is hunting in a firearm restriced area or is simply choosing to use a bow. If those things that we see are a scope or some type of flashlight then he would be cited for Unlawful Archery Equipment WAC 232-12-054 & RCW 77.15.410 (fish and wildlife citations require both a WAC and RCW, most other offenses just need an RCW) which is a misdemeanor and carries a $162 fine. As far as the hunter orange goes, since he is already back at his truck it is hard to determine whether or not he actually wore the orange while hunting, lots of people wear the orange, get back to the truck to take pics and take the orange off. But if he wasn't wearing orange while hunting he would only have a $87 infraction, most officers don't cite for the not wearing hunter orange, especially if they can already charge you with an other offense.
WAC 232-12-054
Archery requirements — Archery special use permits.
(1) Rules pertaining to all archery:
(a) It is unlawful for any person to carry or have in his possession any firearm while in the field archery hunting, during an archery season specified for that area, except for modern handguns carried for personal protection. Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an archery, big game hunting season.
(b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting.
(c) It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow from a vehicle or from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway, except that persons with a disabled hunter permit may shoot from a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance with WAC 232-12-828.
(d) It is unlawful to use any device secured to or supported by the bow for the purpose of maintaining the bow at full draw or in a firing position, except that persons with an archery special use permit may hunt game birds or game animals using a device that stabilizes and holds a long bow, recurve bow, or compound bow at a full draw, and may use a mechanical or electrical release.
(e) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with a crossbow during an archery season. However, disabled hunter permittees in possession of a crossbow special use permit may hunt with a crossbow in any season that allows archery equipment.
(f) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow or bolt that does not have a sharp broadhead, and the broadhead blade or blades are less than seven-eighths inch wide.
(g) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width and forming a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft, and such line does not angle toward the point.
(h) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a retractable broadhead.
(i) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with any bow or crossbow equipped with a scope. However, hunters with disabilities who meet the definition of being visually impaired in WAC 232-12-828 may receive a special use permit that would allow the use of scopes or other visual aids. A disabled hunter permit holder in possession of a special use permit that allows the use of a scope or visual aid may hunt game birds or game animals during archery seasons.
(2) Rules pertaining to long bow, recurve bow and compound bow archery:
(a) It is unlawful for any person to hunt big game animals with a bow that does not produce a minimum of 40 pounds of pull measured at twenty-eight inches or less draw length.
(b) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow measuring less than 20 inches in length or weighing less than 6 grains per pound of draw weight with a minimum arrow weight of 300 grains.
(4) A violation of this section is punishable under RCW 77.15.400, 77.15.410, or 77.15.430, depending on the species hunted
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Zoom the picture to 200% you can clearly see some sort of electronics, no way to deny that
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Yes i meant you can use a bow in rifle season with a modern fire arm tag, and hunter orange, you all knew what I meant
Now back to the mag light discussion
Unfortunately there are a lot of folks that read the regs to state that you can use a bow during firearm season with a bow tag just wear orange. But legally you must posses the licence for that season. as for the weapon. A bow can be used any time your choice and a lot of folks do buy rifle tags so they can hunt with a bow during the rut. If I were to post a picture of a bow kill during the rifle season, that would be the first thing that I stated so the grills wouldn't be turned on immediately.
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Do these rules apply to hunting with archery equipment during a modern season?
I assumed it was an archery season so that is why I asked if it was a joke. I was just thinking of the guy last year or the year before who used the stabilizer mounted video camera to film his hunt and ended up getting contacted by a warden. Don't remember if he was cited for it.
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So far he has told us all about the shot but not addressed what it is? Sorry but if you post on a public forum you are putting yourself out there for scrutinizing. I agree 100% that the deer is awesome. I am indeed jealous of the deer. However, what is it? I don't want to speculate any more than the next guy but I didn't post a pic of me with a deer and suspecious equipment. If he didn't want to be questioned he should not have posted.
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Also......his profile says he is 110 and female? Strange looking gal but holding up good for her/his age...just playing.
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Do these rules apply to hunting with archery equipment during a modern season?
They do apply to using archery equipment during a modern season. Whereas if you use a muzzleloader during a modern season you don't have to follow the restrictions regarding ignition, sight, or double barrels which are restricted during muzzleloader season.
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Interesting that they apply for archery but not muzzy.
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I am confused if its not a flashlight then what is it? You keep dancing arround the question. Red button on the end looks like on off switch to me. Like the Rules say ILLEGAL. But hey you got a sweetass Buck so who cares right :rolleyes:
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Seems it would have been smarter to post a picture WITHOUT the bow and flashlight. :dunno:
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Seems it would have been smarter to post a picture WITHOUT the bow and flashlight. :dunno:
makes all the sense in the world to me.
:dunno:
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Hell of a nice buck though. I'll admit I'm jealous.
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:yike:
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looks like a grammar issue to me.... :rolleyes:
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looks like a grammar issue to me.... :rolleyes:
???
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I don't see a 10 point.......maybe a 5x5..........
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Some people on this site must be just plain miserable. No it's not a flash light, and I don't own a sight light.
What its it?
I will never post anything on here again, think whatever you want. Some people are just jealous and mean.
To the haters and skeptics, I will pray for you also. I really don't feel like posting on here any more. Good luck to you all
:chuckle: why do folks stomp off when people think there poachers?
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:hunter: :yeah:
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BUCK UP I say. Tell us what it is if not a flashlight. To bad an awesome deer has turned into this. I still want to know what it is.
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both look like electronics. Great set up for Racoons
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Pretty sure I own that same flashlight.
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The sight thing looks like a fiber wrap... the thing on the stabilizer is a flashlight...
Why didnt you skin your buck? We had a discussion about this yesterday..are you from the east coast?
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The sight thing looks like a fiber wrap... the thing on the stabilizer is a flashlight...
Why didnt you skin your buck? We had a discussion about this yesterday..are you from the east coast?
That is a fiber wrap on the sight.
He had just killed it. Was that a joke or are you being serious? :dunno:
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Haha an wheres the tag!! :P Nice buck regardless but the flashlight isnt cool
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i would say that is a fiber optic coil on the sight, but the other thing... :rolleyes:
but... it's a HECK of a buck! the no blood thing is no biggie, nor is the no orange issue. a guy can take orange off and the ground looks pretty wet. after a drag, blood will wash off pretty easy in wet grass.
wasnt it on here a year or two ago a guy had a camera mounted on his bow when he shot a mulie? was a friend of the gamie who said it was fine since it couldnt be used as a aiming device or light?
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Doesn't appear he needed a flashlight to kill this deer anyway. People need to stop being so judgmental and accusatory. Enjoy the pictures and stories, and stop looking for reasons to piss on someones success. :twocents: Great buck btw!
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i would say that is a fiber optic coil on the sight, but the other thing... :rolleyes:
but... it's a HECK of a buck! the no blood thing is no biggie, nor is the no orange issue. a guy can take orange off and the ground looks pretty wet. after a drag, blood will wash off pretty easy in wet grass.
wasnt it on here a year or two ago a guy had a camera mounted on his bow when he shot a mulie? was a friend of the gamie who said it was fine since it couldnt be used as a aiming device or light?
I mentioned that earlier. I thought he got into some trouble over it.
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I am :pee: all over this post.........There is too much that isn't adding up!
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Maybe flashlights on bows are legal in Michigan? (where he's from)
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yeah lets pretend that its not a flashlight so we can all get along :chuckle:
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I agree very suspect. I have never thought about strapping a flashlight to my Bow to get through the woods in the dark, how is that easier to see than holding it in my hands? That's what pockets Are for. I think last years picture is even more suspect (there is a link on the 2nd or 3rd thread). He has a broken leg, his broken leg walker thing behind him in the picture. It's dark out and it was a clear lung shot, how far off the road can u make it with a walker in the woods? If he hit the lungs like th picture suggests the deer runs 100 yards tops and dies. Kind of looks to me like a spotlighted deer shot off the road. Could be wrong but he isn't making it far off the road with a broken leg and why would the picture be in the dark?
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its light outside, so that flashliht definately did not aid him in getting the deer, if it was dark out it would be a whole different story. nice buck man, congrats. :IBCOOL:
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Heck of a nice buck. Beautiful blacktail.
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If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck.......
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Doesn't appear he needed a flashlight to kill this deer anyway. People need to stop being so judgmental and accusatory. Enjoy the pictures and stories, and stop looking for reasons to piss on someones success. Two cents worth Great buck btw!
I agree!!!!!!!!!
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He shot a nice buck, leave it at that. If something isn't on the up & up. it will come around. Enuff already :twocents:
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Lock this baby down.
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Here is a possibilty, the "flashlight/not flashlight" is a cheap way to off set bow torque for better shooting, you know like how the b-stingers and doinker stabilizers have the additional weights you can put on the end? this could be similar to that, just a cheaper way to do it? who knows maybe the batteries and bulb/anything electrical was taken out? ( slight sarcasm here) who knows, maybe it wasn't, we weren't there, it is for him to know if what he did was legit, if so congratulations, nice buck, if not from what i can tell there seems to be on odd sense of controversy from the beginning and with his other post, and it would be sad to see such a beautiful buck and possible great story of triumph over a quality BT be tied up in some BS like this.
One thing is for sure as someone previously stated, fingers crossed this isn't photo shopped, it shows the potential black tails have if they are given the chance to grow. thats just my :twocents:
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That looks an awful lot like a Sword sight with the lit aperture.... but it is up to the WDFW to figure this out. Not smart to post pics like this. A couple of posts about it being light out and he didn't need the flashlite anyway... still illegal to have it on the bow. Nuff said, off to sit back and watch for now. I am sure he will get a visit in regards to this.... :yike:
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Unless he shot the deer the night before and came back in the morning... just saying :dunno:
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I agree very suspect. I have never thought about strapping a flashlight to my Bow to get through the woods in the dark, how is that easier to see than holding it in my hands? That's what pockets Are for. I think last years picture is even more suspect (there is a link on the 2nd or 3rd thread). He has a broken leg, his broken leg walker thing behind him in the picture. It's dark out and it was a clear lung shot, how far off the road can u make it with a walker in the woods? If he hit the lungs like th picture suggests the deer runs 100 yards tops and dies. Kind of looks to me like a spotlighted deer shot off the road. Could be wrong but he isn't making it far off the road with a broken leg and why would the picture be in the dark?
Lots of deer come out of the woods in the dark. Come on now.
This is locked, there's no point in it going any further.
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Certainly interesting.
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Yes, very interesting.