Post by: rasbo on October 29, 2010, 04:43:30 AM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on October 29, 2010, 06:39:50 AM
Joe
Post by: rasbo on October 29, 2010, 06:37:10 PM
Jim,good luck out there I just got that coon already to go. That was a fricken stinky nasty lil guy.reminded me of some yotes, the smell he had..Momma wants a spotted skunk after seeing how momma did that one..lookout pepe here I come
Joe
Post by: Kain on October 29, 2010, 08:07:33 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 29, 2010, 08:22:21 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on October 30, 2010, 06:42:16 AM
Jim,good luck out there I just got that coon already to go. That was a fricken stinky nasty lil guy.reminded me of some yotes, the smell he had..Momma wants a spotted skunk after seeing how momma did that one..lookout pepe here I come
Joe
Jim , no problem, we will call Mich to come and skin that bad boy out :chuckle:
Joe
Post by: boneaddict on October 30, 2010, 07:14:47 AM
Post by: rasbo on October 31, 2010, 04:16:54 AM
Michelle has a knack or should I say a nose for it..She is the go to for that..I owe her some breakfast foresureJim,good luck out there I just got that coon already to go. That was a fricken stinky nasty lil guy.reminded me of some yotes, the smell he had..Momma wants a spotted skunk after seeing how momma did that one..lookout pepe here I come
Joe
Jim , no problem, we will call Mich to come and skin that bad boy out :chuckle:
Joe
Post by: rasbo on October 31, 2010, 04:23:13 AM
Cant wait for the pics and stories. I would like to see pics (video is even better) of the sets if anyone has time.I will post the sets kain,coons and skunks I will just put a cage out.the cat and beaver sets will be the same as last year but I have some new traps from Mercer lawing..Wish I was on the eastside,much better areas and cold
Post by: billythekidrock on October 31, 2010, 04:45:25 AM
I had a couple bobs on trail cam, but since rifle season started they have not been around. May have to wait until after late buck when all the gutpiles are gone.
Post by: billythekidrock on November 01, 2010, 08:52:06 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 02, 2010, 04:40:20 AM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on November 02, 2010, 10:09:42 AM
Post by: h2ofwl4 on November 02, 2010, 03:41:24 PM
Post by: Humptulips on November 02, 2010, 08:56:02 PM
Getting sick and tired of trappers selling furs that have been harvested under a permit. They are making some serious money.I doubt there is any serious money being made from the sale of fur legal or not. Have you looked at the current fur prices? :'(
Post by: Cylvertip on November 02, 2010, 11:30:01 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 03, 2010, 03:16:39 AM
Getting sick and tired of trappers selling furs that have been harvested under a permit. They are making some serious money.who is doing it?On this side the fur isnt worth crap to speak of.
Post by: h2ofwl4 on November 03, 2010, 06:25:58 AM
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on November 03, 2010, 06:55:36 AM
Good Luck to all. Got a call to chase some beaver next week. Gotta love it.Chasing beaver....... :chuckle:
Seem as how you got a call does that make you the "wingman"?
Post by: Cylvertip on November 03, 2010, 08:01:36 AM
i only know of east side activities and to me, 200-300 dollars is alot of money
What are they gettin that kind of money from?
Post by: Cylvertip on November 03, 2010, 08:15:37 AM
Good Luck to all. Got a call to chase some beaver next week. Gotta love it.Chasing beaver....... :chuckle:
Seem as how you got a call does that make you the "wingman"?
Never understood the interest in wings, I'm more of a breast man my self :dunno:
Post by: h2ofwl4 on November 03, 2010, 08:49:02 AM
Post by: Humptulips on November 03, 2010, 11:08:43 AM
Post by: h2ofwl4 on November 03, 2010, 11:41:12 AM
Post by: Kain on November 03, 2010, 11:50:19 AM
Post by: rasbo on November 03, 2010, 04:51:05 PM
Can you sell muskrats caught in a colony trap even if they were trapped under a permit? I thought you just couldnt sell them if they were caught in a body gripping trap.I would say no...because your using the permit....
Post by: Machias on November 03, 2010, 05:25:12 PM
RCW 77.15.194
Unlawful traps — Penalty.
(2) It is unlawful to knowingly buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange, or offer to buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange the raw fur of a mammal or a mammal that has been trapped in this state with a steel-jawed leghold trap or any other body-gripping trap, whether or not pursuant to permit.
RCW 77.15.192
Definitions.
(4) "Raw fur" means a pelt that has not been processed for purposes of retail sale.
Post by: rasbo on November 03, 2010, 05:31:08 PM
Nothing illegal about selling animal furs caught with body gripping traps under a permit. They cannot be "RAW" pelts, but there is nothing illegal about selling tanned hides, even those caught using body gripping traps with a nuisance permit or colony traps or box traps under a permit.thats true,I was not thinking about tanned hides,just dried and sold
RCW 77.15.194
Unlawful traps — Penalty.
(2) It is unlawful to knowingly buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange, or offer to buy, sell, barter, or otherwise exchange the raw fur of a mammal or a mammal that has been trapped in this state with a steel-jawed leghold trap or any other body-gripping trap, whether or not pursuant to permit.
RCW 77.15.192
Definitions.
(4) "Raw fur" means a pelt that has not been processed for purposes of retail sale.
Post by: Kain on November 03, 2010, 06:14:47 PM
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The sale, trade, barter, giving away or retention of any wildlife taken under authority of the NWCO permit is prohibited except as otherwise provided.
It doesnt say anything about pelts. I think this is just talking about live animals. I couldnt find where this is online or the law for it though.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00766/wdfw00766.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00766/wdfw00766.pdf)
Quote
3. Purchasing or Selling
Wildlife or Their
Parts:
Non-edible portions of
wild animals and game
birds may be sold or
traded (antlers, hides,
teeth), except for bighorn
sheep; mountain goat;
velvet antlers of deer or
elk; or the gall bladder,
claws, and teeth of bear,
except those claws
or teeth permanently
attached to a full bear
skin or mounted bear
or the raw fur of a wild
animal or the wild animal
itself, if the wild animal,
has been trapped in
this state with a body
gripping trap.
Post by: Humptulips on November 04, 2010, 12:24:48 AM
I looked it up and it looks like its illegal for body gripping traps. And in my NWCO handbook it saysQuoteThe sale, trade, barter, giving away or retention of any wildlife taken under authority of the NWCO permit is prohibited except as otherwise provided.
It doesnt say anything about pelts. I think this is just talking about live animals. I couldnt find where this is online or the law for it though.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00766/wdfw00766.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00766/wdfw00766.pdf)Quote3. Purchasing or Selling
Wildlife or Their
Parts:
Non-edible portions of
wild animals and game
birds may be sold or
traded (antlers, hides,
teeth), except for bighorn
sheep; mountain goat;
velvet antlers of deer or
elk; or the gall bladder,
claws, and teeth of bear,
except those claws
or teeth permanently
attached to a full bear
skin or mounted bear
or the raw fur of a wild
animal or the wild animal
itself, if the wild animal,
has been trapped in
this state with a body
gripping trap.
The Fish and Wildlife Commission adopted new rules related to retention and ownership of wildlife taken under the authority of a NWCO permit in June. It took effect in July. There is no such beast as a NWCO permit now. Renamed WCO permit. Furbearers and unclassified wildlife now become the property of the property owner on whose property they were taken. The property owner can give them away to you and you can do what you want with them. This does not give you the authority to sell furs trapped with traps authorized with a special permit until they have been processed.
Very confusing situation at the moment though. Dave Ware took the proposed changes to the Fish and Wildlife Commission and they passed them however they forgot or neglected to repeal the old rules so currently they are both on the books and are somewhat contradictory. They are enforcing the new rules though but with leeway if some violation was to come up. Not likely as I see it as the new rules are more lenient. Sean said he would send out an explanation to all WCOs but he has not done it as of yet.
Can you sell muskrats caught in a colony trap even if they were trapped under a permit? I thought you just couldn't sell them if they were caught in a body gripping trap.
A colony trap set would not be under a permit. The permits only cover bodygripping traps which they are not.
You would have to have a WCO permit to set the colony traps outside season but not a special permit to set bodygripping traps.
Post by: Machias on November 04, 2010, 07:37:03 AM
Post by: h2ofwl4 on November 04, 2010, 09:03:30 AM
Not according to the WCO training I took and on page 8 of the Nusiance Wildlife Control Operators Regulations published by WDFW which states "... but may only use body gripping traps after receiving a special trapping permit>''
Post by: rasbo on November 04, 2010, 01:17:12 PM
"...but not a special permit to set bodygripping traps."thats correct Fred.If after trying the cages or hazing,and that dont work you must apply for the permit for conis and legholds,and recieve it to trap..
Not according to the WCO training I took and on page 8 of the Nusiance Wildlife Control Operators Regulations published by WDFW which states "... but may only use body gripping traps after receiving a special trapping permit>''
Post by: Huntboy on November 04, 2010, 01:32:40 PM
Post by: Cylvertip on November 04, 2010, 04:21:09 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 04, 2010, 05:49:42 PM
Just traded some email with Sean Carrol , the WDFW Probelm Wildlife Coordinator. He will be sending out notification to all the NWCO's or soon to be WCO's once the new rules become effective.cool,thanks
Post by: Cylvertip on November 07, 2010, 12:22:29 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 07, 2010, 12:37:00 PM
G, the opener tomorrow and it's dumping rain.... shocker.I set traps in the pouring rain monday,had to pull the friday,property closing till the 17th.No bobcats caught
Post by: murphyranch on November 07, 2010, 04:46:04 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 07, 2010, 04:55:19 PM
Was wonderin how you did any luck at all?no nothing :bash:
Post by: murphyranch on November 07, 2010, 05:25:04 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 08, 2010, 05:32:05 AM
Well at least it is only the first week into the season so we still got time.I feel better when most the hunters are out of the woods,I have good cages,and all the fixens,just gotta lure some bobs into them