Post by: fishermanjoe on October 31, 2010, 08:46:31 PM
Post by: ser300wsm on October 31, 2010, 08:49:17 PM
Post by: ribka on October 31, 2010, 08:51:31 PM
I and many on here support you.
Post by: boonerboy on October 31, 2010, 08:52:56 PM
Post by: bigpaw on October 31, 2010, 08:55:45 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 31, 2010, 08:56:22 PM
Post by: goosegetter79 on October 31, 2010, 09:02:16 PM
Post by: Gobble Gobble on October 31, 2010, 09:02:56 PM
Either way it sucks for him, wrong is wrong.
I almost turned myself in this year during deer archery season till I called a friend & he assured me my button buck I had just arrowed was considered antlerless (thought it was a doe) and not a buck (3pt min). There were 1/2" bumps on the head but no antler had broken the skin.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 01, 2010, 06:53:07 AM
Post by: ebusa on November 01, 2010, 07:29:45 AM
Post by: bobcat on November 01, 2010, 07:34:20 AM
I felt kind of bad for the old man. Ill leave the specifics out to keep my anonymity. But hey, that's what you get for shooting a non spike w/o a branched antler tag. Kind of bitter sweet...... I guess. How about some words to make me feel better about this situation. Yeah I know I shouldn't feel bad, but I do.
Can you post a little more about what happened? Did the elk get left or did the hunter tag it and pack it out? Did he know he was breaking the law or was it due to ignorance of the law?
Post by: TSLPE on November 01, 2010, 08:41:18 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 01, 2010, 09:12:13 AM
You have nothing to feel bad about, young or old, accidental or on purpose, ignorance is no excuse, etc.
The law was written (whether you agree with it or not) for the betterment of the herd, and to increase opportunity in the future (this is the part complainers don't understand)
If the person shot an animal that is not legal, THEY ARE IN THE WRONG. period!
No matter what excuse they have.
There are basic safety rules in firearm handling, and the most common list of 10 is,
1. Assume That Any Gun, at Any Time, is Loaded.
2. Always Point a Gun in a Safe Direction.
3. Keep Your Finger off the Trigger
4. Know What You're Shooting at.
5. Be Familiar With Your Gun
6. Don't Shoot at Hard Surfaces (Including Water).
7. Don't Rely on a Safety Mechanism.
8. Load Your Gun When You Need to.
9. Use the Right Ammo.
10. Pay Attention!
You may not agree on these, but #4 should be important whether you are at home, the range, or hunting.....
"scoping" an animal, and then shooting, is one of the reasons I took up archery, too many idiots making me unconfortable.
Post by: Curly on November 01, 2010, 09:30:05 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 01, 2010, 09:37:55 AM
No snow yet where I am hunting. Only seen 4 cows.
They started to pack it out but the warden got there before they could finish the job.
Post by: PolarBear on November 01, 2010, 09:39:22 AM
Post by: Ellensburg on November 01, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
On a side note, we need some cold weather to push them elk down!
You probably did the right thing. Don't feel too bad. Do you think u may get your 10 preference points?
Post by: Curly on November 01, 2010, 09:53:17 AM
Post by: ldjbuff on November 01, 2010, 10:12:37 AM
Post by: Charlie on November 01, 2010, 12:11:00 PM
Post by: WALLEYERICK on November 02, 2010, 04:02:50 PM
people you would never expect to say that stuff. Turn em all in! These guys need to play by the rules or pay buy them. If more people would do what you did, more of these guys would think twice about breaking the law...... ps. Make sure i repeat!!! "MAKE SURE" :whoo:you get your points, its an added bonus to get 10 points for the special draws, I got drawn in 2008 for a Wenaha bull that sits on the wall in my living room to remind me every day I did the right thing.
Post by: HuntNFish on November 02, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
Post by: 400out on November 02, 2010, 06:18:36 PM
Post by: Snapshot on November 02, 2010, 06:25:24 PM
Post by: BIGMIKE on November 02, 2010, 10:31:24 PM
Post by: garyltbh on November 03, 2010, 01:37:51 PM
Post by: chester on November 03, 2010, 01:41:55 PM
Post by: WSU on November 03, 2010, 01:42:07 PM
Post by: Curly on November 03, 2010, 02:40:41 PM
The fact is there really is not excuse. In the past few years I have missed a hand full of opportunities because I couldn't count points to be sure the deer was legal. This year I didn't shoot a buck that turned out to be a nice 4X4. He was looking straight at me and I couldn't verify it wasn't the biggest 2 point ever. I didn't shoot, and it turned its head to disappear and was a big 4 point. I did the same thing on 3 different deer last year. It is just the way it goes, and what you have to do if you want to stay legal.
Yep. Been there, done that.
I wouldn't let the points determine if I turn in someone.
If a guy shoots a wolf, I'm looking the other way for sure. That is the only law I can think of off the top of my head that I would not turn someone in for..........but there could be other b.s. laws that I wouldn't personally turn a guy in for. :twocents:
Post by: spikehunter on November 03, 2010, 03:27:06 PM
Post by: croix on November 03, 2010, 03:35:40 PM
Post by: huntnnw on November 03, 2010, 03:44:29 PM
Post by: spikehunter on November 03, 2010, 04:05:45 PM
Post by: HuntingFanatic on November 03, 2010, 04:15:05 PM
The fact is there really is not excuse. In the past few years I have missed a hand full of opportunities because I couldn't count points to be sure the deer was legal. This year I didn't shoot a buck that turned out to be a nice 4X4. He was looking straight at me and I couldn't verify it wasn't the biggest 2 point ever. I didn't shoot, and it turned its head to disappear and was a big 4 point. I did the same thing on 3 different deer last year. It is just the way it goes, and what you have to do if you want to stay legal.This has happened to me on more than one occasion. I just deal with it. I have seen the results of shoot first, count later and I do not want that to happen to me!
Post by: pat riotic on November 03, 2010, 04:22:43 PM
Post by: jrebel on November 03, 2010, 06:33:34 PM
I am really riding the fence on this topic, I have had two people / acquaintances tell me they comitted illegal acts this year while hunting. One involved an act of poaching. I have no evidence other than what they said. I don't have a lot of faith in the fish and wildlife officers to do anything about it. So I choose to not hunt with anyone but my one hunting partner and go on about my business. I let both of them know not tell me anything else and don't ever ask to hunt with me. They know my stance now, but I don't think it will stop them from doing it again. :dunno:
These people (not hunters) that get caught poaching and have their hunting privelages taken away will continue to poach. I don't think it will stop anything.
Post by: BlackRidge on November 03, 2010, 07:34:35 PM
That brings up a point. How many of you would turn someone in if they werent offering 10points? It comes up everytime there is anything about a poacher on this site. Seems alot of people only want to do it so they can get that permit they want. Not because they think its simple right or wrong. :dunno:The points are meaningless IMO, the important part is trying to keep hunting as level a playingfield as possible for everyone.
Theres only so many land/game-related resources available to all of us, so its regulated (sometimes poorly), but done so in order to make sure its there for everyone in the future. People who ignore the rules work against that selfishly and make the rest of us look bad, sometimes endangering our very access to these privileges.
There are honest mistakes and blatantly ignorant acts, the latter deserve to be reported, no matter what so-called 'rewards' you may get
:twocents:
Post by: DRDANTDC on November 03, 2010, 08:49:59 PM
I might feel a little bad about turning in a guy that made an honest mistake by shooting a 2X1 but I wouldn't feel bad about turning in a guy that shot a 2X2...........not much of an excuse for that.+1 ;)
Post by: elkslayer069 on November 03, 2010, 09:31:58 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on November 03, 2010, 09:46:42 PM
Just kidding, it's a joke...
Post by: Special T on November 03, 2010, 11:22:16 PM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 04, 2010, 10:27:07 AM
It sound like you don't have the stones to be a hard ass.... Guess next time you'll keep you moth shut or learn to live in the real world where most decisions suck and life isn't a bowl of cherries... :twocents: Not bustin you chops either way, but most of the time we choose between 2 Chitty choices, and just have to choose the one that is the least deep...
You know what if that game warden was not two min away from my truck i would of not turned him in, but bad luck for that hunter. I get where you are coming from and it was a crappy situation, if i had that elk in my binos i would of taken a second look and then passed. Maybe he had it in his cross-hairs and forgot to take a second look.
maybe it's different for you, but when i feel bad and need others to make me feel better - that's usually my gut telling me i did something wrong.
there is no question of me being in the wrong. You think if i did something illegal i would go talk to the warden.... no. its just that the old man was super polite and nice about everything. Now that i look back on it I don't feel as bad as i do. never the less it was a crap situation.
Post by: WSU on November 04, 2010, 10:36:24 AM
It sound like you don't have the stones to be a hard ass.... Guess next time you'll keep you moth shut or learn to live in the real world where most decisions suck and life isn't a bowl of cherries... :twocents: Not bustin you chops either way, but most of the time we choose between 2 Chitty choices, and just have to choose the one that is the least deep...
You know what if that game warden was not two min away from my truck i would of not turned him in, but bad luck for that hunter. I get where you are coming from and it was a crappy situation, if i had that elk in my binos i would of taken a second look and then passed. Maybe he had it in his cross-hairs and forgot to take a second look.maybe it's different for you, but when i feel bad and need others to make me feel better - that's usually my gut telling me i did something wrong.
there is no question of me being in the wrong. You think if i did something illegal i would go talk to the warden.... no. its just that the old man was super polite and nice about everything. Now that i look back on it I don't feel as bad as i do. never the less it was a crap situation.
Another thing is people doing this is not helping the colockum herd. The true-spike rule is meant to allow more bulls to survive. Killing the non-true-spikes is not going to get that done. If true-spike doesn't work you will end up with draw only. You can then thank people like the man that got turned in here for at least part of that.
Post by: bobcat on November 04, 2010, 10:37:19 AM
Post by: Raul Duke on November 04, 2010, 10:58:44 AM
Who knows how many times he has used that line before.
Don't be down on your self. I think if you would to have looked away. It only makes you as big of a Coward as the old man. :twocents:
Post by: Special T on November 04, 2010, 02:11:15 PM
Post by: alder2 on November 04, 2010, 05:40:39 PM
Post by: hunterbuilder on November 04, 2010, 05:45:46 PM
Post by: Antlerking on November 04, 2010, 05:48:03 PM
Post by: Swiftkid on November 04, 2010, 05:50:41 PM
Second....if it was an honest mistake, which i'm assuming it was because he was probaly old...excited and couldn't visually see very well. Why not turn the blind eye and let the guy try to get the elk out?
Would you turn in a 10 year old kid for this? Probaly not...
Post by: Antlerking on November 04, 2010, 05:58:33 PM
Post by: Swiftkid on November 04, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
Post by: Antlerking on November 04, 2010, 06:08:56 PM
Post by: bigtex on November 04, 2010, 06:38:19 PM
how is that in anyway relation to poaching? He shot a illegal animal thats it...didn't shoot it out of season, didn't tresspass, had a tag, had a license...poachers break all these regs.
Poaching is the unlawful take of an animal. Doesn't matter if it is a doe in a buck only area or if it was shot at 2 am in March. Still unlawfully taking an animal= poaching...
Post by: Snapshot on November 04, 2010, 07:48:20 PM
Post by: alder2 on November 04, 2010, 08:00:26 PM
Post by: jrebel on November 04, 2010, 08:03:14 PM
Post by: alder2 on November 04, 2010, 08:09:50 PM
Post by: shedcrazy on November 04, 2010, 08:12:31 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 04, 2010, 08:18:35 PM
Post by: fair-chase on November 04, 2010, 08:20:23 PM
Post by: alder2 on November 04, 2010, 08:27:28 PM
Post by: high country on November 04, 2010, 08:40:27 PM
sorry some "old boy" had to get a ticket, but it sounds like he earned it.
Post by: chester on November 04, 2010, 08:49:55 PM
Post by: alder2 on November 05, 2010, 04:48:31 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 05, 2010, 08:55:23 AM
Post by: Skillet on November 05, 2010, 09:11:57 AM
Post by: chester on November 05, 2010, 09:18:04 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 05, 2010, 09:21:26 AM
:yeah: After that story how do you know your buddy didnt have the kill shot? :dunno:
by looking at the entrance holes. And the old guy said he got the two kill shots.
Post by: Skillet on November 05, 2010, 09:43:15 AM
It is a SAD state of affairs when two guys are shooting at the same ILLEGAL ANIMAL.
So, the old man claimed the kill shots on the illegal animal; but your buddy tried to kill it, too - making him either just as much a poacher as the old man or a true *censored* for shooting up somebody else's bull...
Old man = dumass who deserves getting what he got for shooting at a non-true spike.
Your buddy = dumass who deserves worse than what he got.
You = apparently not really a straight-up guy, as you obviously kept this important part of the story out of it to paint a different picture here. Which story did the warden hear?
:twocents: - and if this is not too unusual with rifle hunting in the Colokum, you all can have it.
** Edited to remove less appropriate comments. But I'll still say this whole situation just blows.
Post by: shedcrazy on November 05, 2010, 09:53:24 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 05, 2010, 09:59:02 AM
This keeps running through my mind:
It is a SAD state of affairs when two guys are shooting at the same ILLEGAL ANIMAL.
So, fisherman joe, the old man claimed the kill shots on the illegal animal; but your buddy tried to kill it, too...
Old man = dumass who deserves getting what he got for shooting at a non-true spike.
Your buddy = dumass who deserves worse than what he got.
You = apparently not really a straight-up guy, as you obviously kept this important part of the story out of it to paint a different picture here. Which story did the warden hear?
How'd I do? :dunno:
:twocents: - and if this is not too unusual with rifle hunting in the Colokum, you all can have it.
Actually that is as far from the truth as you can get. after the shots happened we looked and saw the old guy walking down to the animal. We scanned the radio and found what channel they were on. We offered to help pack out the animal, but they refused (which we found to be kind of fishy). So after a few min of the hunting party standing around i said screw it i am going shed hunting. After walking around i found an old skidder road that brought me about 20 yards ( up hill) away from the downed elk and the hunter. I went over to congratulate him on his kill. but noticed he had a 2x2 and not a 2x1. He was very polite and nice. I offered to help pack the animal out with them and the refused again. I asked if i could take a picture of the animal for my hunting parties amusement. When he held the antlers he covered one of the tines with his palm. So he knew it was an illegal animal. There were no harsh words or bad language.
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 05, 2010, 10:01:39 AM
I think FishermanJoe is :liar: How can you come on here for sympathy knowing your partner was shooting at the same animal???? I mean come on, you would surely know if he had a branched tag. And why the hell would you shoot at another man's animal, unless you were going to do the colockum sprint and tag it for yourself. Your group is just as guilty!!!
Why am i full of *censored*? We have told this guy that we will not take him hunting ever again because of his actions. I am the one that is 100% legal. I have done nothing wrong. The guy in our hunting party, yes he is in the wrong and is not allowed to hunt with us because of that fact
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 05, 2010, 10:04:36 AM
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I asked if i could take a picture of the animal for my hunting parties amusement. When he held the antlers he covered one of the tines with his palm. So he knew it was an illegal animal.Pics ??
Post by: DuckDr.Duke on November 05, 2010, 10:05:48 AM
Post by: remington300mag on November 05, 2010, 10:08:35 AM
Post by: woodman on November 05, 2010, 10:13:23 AM
Did you turn in your partner for shooting an illegal elk as well?!?!?
That is a really good question. How many people can be ticketed with one tag on the elk?
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 05, 2010, 10:14:39 AM
Did you turn in your partner for shooting an illegal elk as well?!?!?
No, but i should of. A shot to the lower leg is not fatal but still illegal.
I would like to stay on and defend myself from the wolves but i have a paper due at one.
So flame on until i get back. :hello:
Post by: Skillet on November 05, 2010, 10:16:25 AM
Actually that is as far from the truth as you can get. after the shots happened we looked and saw the old guy walking down to the animal. We scanned the radio and found what channel they were on. We offered to help pack out the animal, but they refused (which we found to be kind of fishy). So after a few min of the hunting party standing around i said screw it i am going shed hunting. After walking around i found an old skidder road that brought me about 20 yards ( up hill) away from the downed elk and the hunter. I went over to congratulate him on his kill. but noticed he had a 2x2 and not a 2x1. He was very polite and nice. I offered to help pack the animal out with them and the refused again. I asked if i could take a picture of the animal for my hunting parties amusement. When he held the antlers he covered one of the tines with his palm. So he knew it was an illegal animal. There were no harsh words or bad language.
If that's the way it happened, that's the way it happened. Might want to stop telling this story, though. You're lucky the Gamie didn't ring your buddy up, too.
Post by: remington300mag on November 05, 2010, 10:25:07 AM
Did you turn in your partner for shooting an illegal elk as well?!?!?
No, but i should of. A shot to the lower leg is not fatal but still illegal.
I would like to stay on and defend myself from the wolves but i have a paper due at one.
So flame on until i get back. :hello:
Fisherman.....I want you to know I am not flaming on you at all....as the story stands, you didn't do anything wrong in the eyes of the law....your partner did though. So, by you not turning him in is a moral issue on your part....and that should not be judged by anyone..... So, yes, you did the right thing by turning the guy in that tagged the animal.....but if I did that, I would have had to tell the gammie the whole story.......but that is just me! :twocents:
Post by: .300-Ultra on November 05, 2010, 12:44:40 PM
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on November 05, 2010, 01:03:15 PM
I saw this Elk & I know the old man..... The old man shot the Elk twice after looking at it bare eyed, then with Bino's & again through his scope @ less than 100yds. After he deterimined it was a spike, after he shot it an another hunter from across the valley also firing 2 shots & hitting the Elk at least once. The hunter who approached & was trying to get a picture was mad that he didnt get to tag it first that is why he turned the old man in. To get revenge & points...... the tine was broke off and ground down & already smooth & shiny, it had been like that a while...The game warden measured it 3 different ways until he found a way that was 3/16th of IN to long.....now what comes into ? is the point of origin. This was a bump almost like a wart.....I fully agree with turning in poacher's but because you didnt get to tag the Elk doesnt make him a poacher. You put lead into the animal also :bdid: Any hunter in The LT Murray would have bagged that Elk
I tried to stay out of this one because I trust noone. I certainly don't like the sound of turning in an old man (who for all I know has bad eyes and was an honest mistake).
However, if this is true.... wow, where t begin. I'll let you defend yourself before I say my piece.
Post by: MLBowhunting on November 05, 2010, 01:07:48 PM
Post by: tlbradford on November 05, 2010, 01:28:50 PM
Did you turn in your partner for shooting an illegal elk as well?!?!?
No, but i should of. A shot to the lower leg is not fatal but still illegal.
I would like to stay on and defend myself from the wolves but i have a paper due at one.
So flame on until i get back. :hello:
Fisherman.....I want you to know I am not flaming on you at all....as the story stands, you didn't do anything wrong in the eyes of the law....your partner did though. So, by you not turning him in is a moral issue on your part....and that should not be judged by anyone..... So, yes, you did the right thing by turning the guy in that tagged the animal.....but if I did that, I would have had to tell the gammie the whole story.......but that is just me! :twocents:
:yeah: If you turn in one, you should turn in both. Just the way my conscience would work. You decided to go shed hunting and just happened to end up 20 yards from the group? :rolleyes:
I love rifle hunting, but am so glad I gave it up for archery.
Post by: CoachNemo on November 05, 2010, 01:36:31 PM
Is it common practice to shoot at an animal you saw someone else take a shot and "noticed it was hit and was going to help out by finishing him off"? I have never hunted big game so I am just asking a question, but this makes me a little leery of being out in the woods. I know it wasn't you that shot at the animal, but that's wrong on a whole different level
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 05, 2010, 01:45:11 PM
.....I fully agree with turning in poacher's but because you didnt get to tag the Elk doesnt make him a poacher. You put lead into the animal also :bdid: Any hunter in The LT Murray would have bagged that Elk
I beg to differ. I did not fire a single shot that day. Our irresponsible ex-hunting partner took the shot. Did I do it for revenge... Hell no. If i were to do this act in revenge i would of had the WDFW poaching hotline on the phone before i got back to the truck. It just so happened that there was a warden right there.
You say any hunter in LT would of bagged that elk, gosh no, what is the difference between an elk that is 3/16 to long vs one that is 5" to long, nothing they are both illegal elk.
I have a quick question...
Is it common practice to shoot at an animal you saw someone else take a shot and "noticed it was hit and was going to help out by finishing him off"? I have never hunted big game so I am just asking a question, but this makes me a little leery of being out in the woods. I know it wasn't you that shot at the animal, but that's wrong on a whole different level
No in my book if a hunter is on an animal you just sit tight and leave them be.
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 05, 2010, 01:48:56 PM
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on November 05, 2010, 01:54:21 PM
You say any hunter in LT would of bagged that elk, gosh no, what is the difference between an elk that is 3/16 to long vs one that is 5" to long, nothing they are both illegal elk.
I call *censored* on that one. Plus, what kind of person would give a ticket over 3/16", especially since we all know the difficulty in measuring a tine anyway? Measuring a tine is subjective when you have your hand on it, much less at 100 yards scope or not.
He may be able to get away with giving him a ticket, but I'd feel like a rat over turning that in...
:twocents:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 05, 2010, 03:35:08 PM
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Antler Point-Elk: A projection off any part
of the antler measuring at least one (1) inch
in length measured from the longest side. Eye
guards are antler points if they are at least one
inch long
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Spike Bull Restrictions:If it was in a spike only unit, and had obvious 2 pts on one side, and a "bump" 13/16" long on the other, I can see how an old man could make a mistake,
Elk taken in these units must have at least one antler with no branches
originating more than four inches above where the antler attaches to the skull.
An animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is legal in spike only units. An animal
with more than one antler point more than four inches above where the antler
attaches to the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal.
but the 2 on the one side would be enough for me to question whether or not to shoot, myself.
I don't feel that you did anything wrong, but your "ex-hunting partner" is an A-hole, for shooting an animal someone else shot first.
Hopefully the old man will be able to explain his case to the judge and not be in too much trouble.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PICTURES YOU SAY YOU TOOK, just out of curiosity.
Post by: .300-Ultra on November 05, 2010, 06:54:38 PM
Post by: boonerboy on November 05, 2010, 08:23:34 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 05, 2010, 08:36:17 PM
The game warden was not there to witness the elk being shot. Now whether that bull was illegal or not is questionable. If it had a second point that was barely visible then I really can't fault the "old guy" for taking the shot. It was basically just a spike anyway- it just had a "bump" that may or may not be classified as an "official" point anyway. If the game warden did not issue a ticket then I'd say the game warden did the right thing. It's ridiculous if they try to prosecute otherwise honest hunters on a simple technicality.
Oh, and as far as shooting at an elk somebody else already shot, or may have shot- I don't see what's so wrong with that? Of course every situation is different but I could see putting an elk down for someone if it looked like it was going to go a long ways. Why not put a finishing shot in it even if the first shot would have eventually been fatal? I would if a legal bull came by me. It might be different if the first shooter still had the bull in sight and was still shooting. But in general to shoot a bull that has already been shot, I just don't see anything wrong with that.
Post by: boonerboy on November 05, 2010, 08:43:36 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 05, 2010, 08:46:30 PM
Post by: boonerboy on November 05, 2010, 08:49:40 PM
Post by: shedcrazy on November 05, 2010, 09:52:24 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 05, 2010, 09:55:43 PM
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on November 05, 2010, 09:59:41 PM
I tried my best to put another arrow into her, but couldn't get it done.
A traditional archer came by tracking her a couple minutes later.
Never did find out if he caught up to her.
Post by: shedcrazy on November 05, 2010, 10:11:42 PM
Post by: jrebel on November 06, 2010, 03:57:26 PM
When something like this happens there are always three stories. Your story...the old mans story and the "RIGHT" STORY (i.e. the truth).
My hypothesis / Theory
YOU fishermanjoe shot this animal along with the old man (both of you thought it was a legal animal). He was closer to the animal and probably got the better / kill shot(s). You where shooting beyond your limits and did not know if you killed it or the old man (of course you thought your shots were the kill shots). When you finally made it to the downed animal a conversation insued and you lost. The old man tags the animal and you call the game warden because you now know it was a 2x2. Both in the wrong.....you both made an honest mistake that broke the law. You do even worse in my book and take no blame, turn in the other hunter and now want others to justify your decision that you know was morally and ethicaly bad.
I will never know the true story, but you will always know. If this is even close.....SHAME ON YOU.
Post by: shedcrazy on November 06, 2010, 04:00:35 PM
Post by: Geno on November 07, 2010, 06:06:50 AM
Something doesn't smell right.......This whole story is fishy. "My Buddy", My ex-hunting partner" etc. Not to mention who and the hell goes shed hunting while elk hunting and ends up 20 yards away from people that have already said they did not want your help (over the radio".
When something like this happens there are always three stories. Your story...the old mans story and the "RIGHT" STORY (i.e. the truth).
My hypothesis / Theory
YOU fishermanjoe shot this animal along with the old man (both of you thought it was a legal animal). He was closer to the animal and probably got the better / kill shot(s). You where shooting beyond your limits and did not know if you killed it or the old man (of course you thought your shots were the kill shots). When you finally made it to the downed animal a conversation insued and you lost. The old man tags the animal and you call the game warden because you now know it was a 2x2. Both in the wrong.....you both made an honest mistake that broke the law. You do even worse in my book and take no blame, turn in the other hunter and now want others to justify your decision that you know was morally and ethicaly bad.
I will never know the true story, but you will always know. If this is even close.....SHAME ON YOU.
8) +1
Post by: krout81 on November 07, 2010, 06:47:40 AM
I will say that when my little brother was first starting off there may have been a deer or 2 tagged by him that someone else shot. But that was late season and we needed the meat. Growing up the only meat we ate from the store was chicken, but most of them we raised. I only got moocow steak when we went to a resturant.
Post by: dscubame on November 07, 2010, 07:23:48 AM
Post by: jrebel on November 07, 2010, 07:36:51 AM
Enough already. Opinions are like @#$holes everyone has one. This thread is going in circles.
I have to respectfully dissagree. If no one had an opinion we would all be a bunch of vegitables. I think it is healthy for people to have an share their opinions, as long as it is done respectfully. I don't see where anyone has been disrespectful...well except for the person that wanted justification for his actions and did not explain in full what his actions where.
Post by: dscubame on November 07, 2010, 07:39:01 AM
Post by: colockumelk on November 07, 2010, 08:21:58 AM
I have a quick question...
Is it common practice to shoot at an animal you saw someone else take a shot and "noticed it was hit and was going to help out by finishing him off"? I have never hunted big game so I am just asking a question, but this makes me a little leery of being out in the woods. I know it wasn't you that shot at the animal, but that's wrong on a whole different level
Unfortunately this has become a common practise in Eastern Washington for elk. ESPECIALLY in the Colockum. This is why I hunt archery. Its not so much that that group is any more considerate, it's just they can't just fling arrows across a canyon and ruin my hunt. I don't even let my wife hunt with a rifle during elk season anymore. In the Colockum I got sick of constantly getting scoped, shot over or at, and while doing a stalk on some elk had guys pull up on their 4wheelers and shoot over our heads at the elk we were putting a stalk on. >:(
As far as that old man goes. If the extra "tine" was 3/16 of an inch too long I DOUBT charges will be brought up against him. It would be too difficult if not impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the old man purposely poached that elk. On the other hand any defense lawyer in the world could prove that it was an honest mistake. The old man hopefully learned a valuable lesson. As far as fishermanjoe goes. Shame on you. And as far as points go he will NOT be getting any points since there will NOT be a conviction. :)
Post by: Geno on November 07, 2010, 08:23:01 AM
Enough already. Opinions are like @#$holes everyone has one. This thread is going in circles.
Don't read it anymore if you've had enough, everyone is being respectful but inquisitve as to what really happened. I personally think both shooters were wrong.
Post by: dscubame on November 07, 2010, 08:27:33 AM
Post by: dscubame on November 07, 2010, 08:30:21 AM
Post by: jrebel on November 07, 2010, 08:38:21 AM
Post by: dscubame on November 07, 2010, 08:40:04 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 08:41:52 AM
Yup it is your opinion....I respect that. But I think this thread should stay open. I think it is great to see posts like this. Hopefully everyone on this board (even the non members that are lurken) can learn from others honest mistakes. Personally I believe the biggest mistake made was by fishermanjoe....He should have never posted a non truth (ie LIE). Now he is being called on it. This would be real easy to clear up, just tell what really happened. Or better yet next time your in this situation don't post anything at all. He ask for others opinions and now he's getting what he ask for.
ok i want to know what is this lie that i told? I dont like being called a liar
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 08:47:30 AM
So bring it on, I am home sick and willing to talk. ;)
Post by: boonerboy on November 07, 2010, 08:52:08 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 08:53:59 AM
Post by: boonerboy on November 07, 2010, 08:59:21 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 09:04:08 AM
Let your stones drop step up to the plate and ask me some questions, or just stand in the back hollering your opinion, then running with your tail between your legs.
Post by: boonerboy on November 07, 2010, 09:09:12 AM
Post by: boonerboy on November 07, 2010, 09:14:33 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 09:20:49 AM
Post by: dscubame on November 07, 2010, 09:22:26 AM
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on November 07, 2010, 09:36:16 AM
Ok, I'll start.
Calling the old man a poacher is pretty serious stuff. I doubt many of us here (certainly not me) would call him a poacher.
When you first started the thread, why didn't you bring up the fact that your "ex-hunting buddy" shot at it also?
When you first started the thread, why didn't you mention that it was at best barely "illegal" ?
p.s.
(I would have let the old man keep it if I were the warden and congratulated him? Of course, I recongnize a law that is silly to expect people to be perfect on when I see it and would always give benefit of the doubt to the hunter just because it is such a silly law.)
Post by: boonerboy on November 07, 2010, 09:38:11 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 09:39:40 AM
Post by: Angus on November 07, 2010, 09:40:56 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 09:44:56 AM
Come on guys, this is a perfectly reasonable request.
Ok, I'll start.
Calling the old man a poacher is pretty serious stuff. I doubt many of us here (certainly not me) would call him a poacher.
When you first started the thread, why didn't you bring up the fact that your "ex-hunting buddy" shot at it also?
When you first started the thread, why didn't you mention that it was at best barely "illegal" (although I would have let the old man keep it if I were the warden and congratulated him)? Of course, I recongnize a law that is silly to expect people to be perfect on when I see it.
I didnt mention my ex-hunting partner shooting because i wanted to stay anonymous, but there were a bunch of new accounts made of the people involved, thus after that i had no problem telling the whole story.
Why did i not mention that is was barely illegal once again i wanted to keep anonymous. People could of thought it was a 5x5 with no branched tag, or a 2x2 I was going to let them decide.
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 09:46:47 AM
Why not post the picture(s) you took? block out faces if your concerned about that!
first they are cell phone pics (foggy), second he was covering up the second pt on one of the tines with his palm, so it would do no justice.
Post by: mtbeav on November 07, 2010, 09:52:37 AM
Post by: Angus on November 07, 2010, 09:53:41 AM
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on November 07, 2010, 09:54:08 AM
I didnt mention my ex-hunting partner shooting because i wanted to stay anonymous, but there were a bunch of new accounts made of the people involved, thus after that i had no problem telling the whole story.
Why did i not mention that is was barely illegal once again i wanted to keep anonymous. People could of thought it was a 5x5 with no branched tag, or a 2x2 I was going to let them decide.
See,, the second part here is where your story breaks down with me. I/We know you can see the difference in calling someone a poacher who shot a 5 x 5 or someone who shot one that was "interpreted to be illegal"? An eye witness said it took the warden three different ways to measure it to make it illegal. That is a HUGE detail to leave out when you title your thread "I turned in a poacher".
Something is fishy.... maybe you can clearify?
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 10:02:29 AM
Post by: Gutpile on November 07, 2010, 10:12:11 AM
My advice would be to let this thread die. You cannot win no matter how hard you try. This thing has been beat to death. Let it die so you don't damage your credibilty even further. It'll be difficult but just move on and let it die.
Post by: dscubame on November 07, 2010, 10:13:25 AM
Post by: markts on November 07, 2010, 10:15:02 AM
Post by: fishermanjoe on November 07, 2010, 10:15:23 AM
Post by: 400out on November 07, 2010, 10:17:02 AM