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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: bushmaster on November 01, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
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Anyone heading to the "T" for late archery elk? Or 336?
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I live in the Teanaway unit and have been spending lots of time scouting. I will be out there for sure! :)
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I will be up there for a couple weekends, i did some scouting a week or so ago and will be back up there in a week again to do some more, my boss has some property up there, its the first time i have hunted that unit, but there was a lot of sign and looks to be very promising, i am praying the snow works in my advantage, i'll be staying up there four days the first weekend, then again the following, permitting the wifey doesn't go into labor!! ;)
It would be perfect to put something on the ground before baby number two shows up, at least it would earn those proverbial "brownie points" if i wasn't hunting the first few weekends after he is born!!!
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Im going to head up on the 23rd, maybe stay at the camp by the fire station, camp neighbors welcomed!! The last time I went up for late elk, I was drinkin alone! There was nobody for 4 days.
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My uncle and I will be over there at some point. Might be at the campground by the fire station or 29 pines but not sure yet We will be in a blue toyota, say hi if you see us. Good luck!
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mallard, let me know if you guys need another person in camp. i may be able to join ya! ;)
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Im going up on the 22nd with the bull tag...hoping the snow comes hard sometime in that first week. Man this has been a loooooong wait. I took a buddy to Sequim a couple weeks ago for deer and at least got some blood on the hands with a nice blacktail for his first deer. Can't wait to actually get to hunt. :drool:
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:yeah: i want to get something down, early archery ended and i was like, here comes the wait...... i asked a buddy of mine, is it bad to dream of the sound of my arrow breaking bones? it runs through my head as i doze off each night, my wife laughed when i mentioned that, i guess she doesn't get it :dunno:
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I know where the cows will be if it snows, I know where they will be if it dont. I hope it snows a bit, because Im not looking forward to the hike if the weather is good. I just got off the phone with a guy who has been up there for rifle and its very dismal for a true spike, BUT he has seen 37 cow elk in 4 days! Some as close as 40yds. He has seen 1 5x5, 1 6x7 and 2 3x3s. His dad saw 13 cows on the other end of the T with NO bulls to speak of. Im trying to team up with "stormy85" but it sounds like he might be 3 miles up the road. I will be hunting alone, but would like to meet up with another solo hunter to try and tag team an area that WILL produce. Its just tough without someone watching the other side.
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I've got the muzzy bull tag that starts on Dec. 9th. I'll be doing my final scouting during the archery hunt. If any archers need help packing or want to network with me on elk locations then shoot me a p.m. I've got some great areas to start but any additional help would be appreciated. Last year the muzzies went 0 for 8(that's what was reported) so I know this won't be an easy hunt. Go luck to everybody and be safe.
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I will be at the campground by the fire station/store with a "welcome hunters" schmitt banner. Started getting some PMs from guys that are going to be there also. Could turn into a good group of guys all trying to get each-other an elk. You wouldn't hear of such a thing from rifle hunters. Kinda weird how the archery and muzzy guys have a camaraderie together to help one another out! Karma does exist, and it can help or hurt as we all know! I choose to share my info,I want karma working with me, not against me! :twocents:
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that's because it takes skill to get an animal. We stick together. Thats what hunting should be about. Not stealing animals. and sh!t like that. Modern sucks. I think if you weeded out a few people from the heard we could all work together. It's to bad there are a several people out there that ruin it for every one. I wish all you guys luck in the late season. Sure wish they would open the cow season to muzzle also.
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I've got the muzzy bull tag that starts on Dec. 9th. I'll be doing my final scouting during the archery hunt. If any archers need help packing or want to network with me on elk locations then shoot me a p.m. I've got some great areas to start but any additional help would be appreciated. Last year the muzzies went 0 for 8(that's what was reported) so I know this won't be an easy hunt. Go luck to everybody and be safe.
I can't remember if I talked to you before or not but my old man and I both had that tag two years back and neither filled them. I believe it was 0 for 6 that year too. PM me for more details.
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Just talked with a guy who just came back from the T & clockum for 5 days. ZERO, nothin, and nothin hanging. He saw tons of cows and big bulls, not 1 spike,or I should say "TRUE spike". He did say someone shot a forknhorn and got caught. Said he saw all the deer he couldnt find in rifle season. 3 weeks to go! practicing out to 65yds. no excuses! :'(
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Lets PM and trade some phone numbers. We can touch base during season and trade notes. I am only looking for a big bull and I'm sure I will see some cows in the process. We can meet up a night or two and trade notes, stoke a fire and have a sip of the good stuff. Then pass some info on to the Muzz hunters so they can fill as well.
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I'll be having Thanksgiving in Moses Lake and I'm planning on hunting the I-90 side this year because Chinook is closed. I usually hunt Litlte Naches and the Nile. Would you guys mind having my son and I in camp and just show us a direction to go? I'll be after a cow and if I see a bull i can help out. I'm thinking the day after Thanksgiving to Sun. morning.
Thanks, Jim
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jimkrueg
Chinook Pass is currently open
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I was thinking of heading over. I have never hunted that area during the late hunt. I am looking forward to getting out of this office again!
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Thanks Ice Cap. I think I'll still hunt the Teanaway. I like trying out new areas and I'll be coming from Moses Lake instead of Tacoma. Maybe we should all meet at the camp ground, make up a plan, and then get back together and talk about what we saw.
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Well, the rifle season is over and the LONG 2 1/2 week wait is on for the fearless archery hunters. It should be interesting to say the least. I havent been up to the teanaway in 4 weeks now and I am getting very little info on the elk in the area. I have 1 person who is telling me the cows are coming down a bit and the weather has played hell with the rifle hunters. Im watching the weather patters real close and trying to get a local weatherman friend of mine to forecast out as far as he can. On the 13th, 14th he will give me a real good forecast for the 24th-28th of Nov. The way it is now, we are looking at a 60-70% chance of snow showers down at the 2000ft level. I did hear a rumor of 45-60 cows just below Redrock but cant confirm that, the person is an idiot and cant be trusted so I will though that report out. Anyone still plan on going?
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my boss saw a 6x6 and a smaller 4x4, a couple spikes, he wasn't sure if they were true spikes or if they had little stickers of their main, and then about 20~ cows together sunday morning, he said the cows haven't left the area for the last couple days :drool: i am heading up sunday for a little more scouting and will try to get a bead on where they are hanging out right now.
hopefully the weather works in our favor. Either way i am pumped to be back in the woods.
expect an update monday morning.
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I might go look around, but might wait till the 20th.
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is anyone bringing a shooting block up to the campground?
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Hey stormin85, wasp BOSS 4 blade 100gr, or muzzy 3blade 100gr???
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does anyone know "sunlight waters"???
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Montec G5 125gr, so far i love them.
edit: i just realized what you were asking i think?
i'd say the muzzy's i haven't shot the wasps, but if looks mattered i think they look good.
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if i went up to 125gr, i would have to re-pin, *censored*!,now ya got me thinkin, maybe I should run up to worksports and pick some up. now that im looking at them, they look like a hellrazor?
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Bushmaster, Let me know when you are going up. I'll see if I can follow you or go with you.
Jim
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yeah kinda, they claim to shoot like field tips, so far out to 40 they are within an inch, if not cutting fletchings, what i love, they are solid one piece and steel, really tough, and i believe, but dont take my word on it completely since i'm not a tech guru, with more weight at the front they hit harder, which is the whole concept behind eastons hit inserts, which i just got those arrows and love them, but by having more grains at the front the down field impact is greater, however i could be screwed up, i will gladly take any corrections if i am wrong.
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I know a guy who shoots hellrazors but cant seem to keep them in a group, i know that the muzzys get good penetration threw my barn doors ( :chuckle:) and still shoot like brand new.
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yeah the muzzy's are good, if your confident with those and sighted in to those, use em, i know their tough, but i also know at this point i wont go back from the G5's, unless we could use expandables and even then its arguable if those are better.
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I just changed my mind on going to the teanaway. If you have PM'ed with me I will tell why, and where Im heading.
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Over in the Teanaway today for an AM scouting trip. After 2 hours up the N. Fork the ground was getting white and coming down hard. By the time I was out the roads were white. Hoping it dumps hard once or twice between now and the 24th.
The elk are still up high and it looks like starting to seperate into herds of Bulls/Cows. Lots of tracks up high with a distinct group of bulls that looked like maby 5-6 animals and a big group of cows. I only saw tracks as I didn't want to get to close and push anything, but there was plenty of sign.
I talked with the surveyors who have been up there the last three weeks and they haven't seen a single animal down low yet, and didn't see a single animal taken from the campground during the entire rifle season :( Bummer.
I was able to shore up the private property I have, and they did see one 6pt behind their ranch a couple days ago, but unless we get some serious snow in the next two weeks it looks like I am going up and in. Getting stoked to finally get up in the woods after countless days and hours scouting since drawing the tag.
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Regarding broadheads, I really like the 125 mag Slick-tricks. They fly perfect. I never need to adjust from my field points and they hit hard. I like the 1 1/8 cutting surface. Although you loose a little FPS with the 125's you pick up some front of center which helps stabalize flight and again, gives you more penetration. If your field tips are flying great but your broadheads are all over, you probably have under lbs shafts. Try going to 75-95 and that should fix the problem as long as your bow is tuned.
Broadheads will highlight over-flex in your shafts and cause your arrows to "fly" or "float" as your blades and vanes catch wind at opposite ends of a flexing shaft. The longer the broadhead and bigger the blades the more float you get. The Slick-Tricks are ultra compact and minimize the blade impact on flight patterns, but they wont fix a shaft problem.
After your shafts are the proper lbs, Spin test them, then spin test them again with a broadhead in. This shows you any inbalance caused by un-even glue, mis-alligned inserts, un-even shaft cut or ferrels that aren't perfectly true. Pick your best spinning combinations ( no wobble at the tip of the broadhead) and number them 1-2-3 etc. If you practice well with 7-8-9-10 your first three will be darts!
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I plan on runnin my 100gr wasp 4blade. I will pick up some g5 montecs for next year. Hey 6x, what arrows do you use? Do you use a diff brand or type for deer as opposed to elk? I have 1 issue I have been fighting with and that is fletchings!! I might be crazy but I swear when I was using 3.5' and 4inch fletchings I was getting better groups at the longer ranges, i.e (35-55yds). I spoke with a "pro" at wholesale sports in fedway and he said that the HP veins :archery_smiley: are a better shooting at all ranges. I think he's high! Any input???
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I shoot 75-95 Gold Tip camo pro hunters with 4" fletches and a real compact, heavy broadhead. Heavy arrows but they are freekin darts! What I loose in FPS I make up for in penetration and I personally like having a titch of room between my pins to help with target aquisition. I have never had fantastic success with short vanes and big blades, although i know those who have :dunno:
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I shoot 75-95 Gold Tip camo pro hunters with 4" fletches and a real compact, heavy broadhead. Heavy arrows but they are freekin darts! What I loose in FPS I make up for in penetration and I personally like having a titch of room between my pins to help with target aquisition. I have never had fantastic success with short vanes and big blades, although i know those who have :dunno:
6x_
I read your info on Slick Trick. I was curious how many elk you have taken with the ST 125?
thanks,
Map
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Map,
We have only hunted with them 2 years now. I have not shot an elk with one. My hunting partner shot 1, a quartering too pass through shot on an Elk, and he lost one this year with a branch deflection, stuck in the front leg bone shot. Sounded like the arrow hit a tree. The only thing that has me a little ? with the SlickTrick is neither elk had a big blood trail. I was with him both times and neither was an easy track.
The one it was obvious why not, and the other bled out internally and into the front leg sack. Went about 120 yards after the arrow went in a whisp behind the front shoulder and just nicked the opposite side gut.
I've taken two deer with them. The last one a quartering away shot with a sliced rib, one lung, CP heart and it broke the off side leg, and the other a clean double lung pass through. Both deer left big blood trails.
I shot Muzzy for 4 years before them, and Thunderhead for 5 years before that. I could just never get field point flight with either of those. I must say with the Muzzy I shot a steel target support and it penetrated...The bad... I was off 18" at 60 yards, the good... it penetrated a steel target support at 60 yards, and the ferrel was still straight :o. Hopefully I can let you know performance on a big bull this year! I do love the flight and accuracy. A well placed shot is a dead elk! I want be comfortable at 60 yards, and I would have no problem taking that shot today.
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slick tricks work great , good blood trails and pretty tough , I 've shoot a few elk with them ( the 100,s) since switching from shuttle t's
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that was my problem, i wanted to pick up a set of the slick tricks, i was stuck between those and the montec's, unfortunately i was headed out to hunt some private property opening weekend early season and didn't have time to run to cabellas, and work sports only had the G5's, so that made my decision, so far i have liked how they shoot, haven't shot anything with them, but i would still like to pick up the slick tricks and try them side by side shooting out to longer distances.
still have not taken anything with the montec's but like 6x6 said a well placed shot will put the elk/deer on the ground. i grew up hunting in Michigan and we had no problem with the original NAP thunderheads, from like 1990, once sighted in and you know your accurate its all up to shot placement after that.
i do want to see what type of blood trail they leave though!!!!
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wow, some awesome tips in here. I shoot Muzzy 125s and i get a lot of float - I might have to try the Slick-tricks
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I love my slick tricks, have not shot anything with them yet but they shoot awesome. I've shot both the mags and the standard in 100grn. Both fly great, for some reason my set up is slightly better with standards.
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I have never shot with sllicktrick, but I can tell you that wasp boss SST 4 blade 100gr HAMMER. WASP invented the trokar tip that everyone is using now and the blades are stupid sharp. 2 years ago I shot a mule deer at 31yds with a hellrazor, and I can tell you I get better penitration on my wife! I switched to the BOSS, and at 46yds had complete pass threw. You can also drop 2 blades and run it as a 2 blade stinger. Im not a fan of the hellrazor design, and the g5 is the same as a hellrazor.
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I shoot a Hoyt trykon xl set at 62.5lbs. 29.5 draw length. Easton axis 340 arrows tipped with Muzzy 3 blade 100 grain broadheads. This float that you are talking about doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me for some reason. I had my muzzy's flying everywhere....spun the arrows with heads attached and noticed better group but not same impact point as the field tips. Tuned my bow according to a magazine article related to the subject of making broadheads hit the same spot as field points (note: this took a few hours of shooting and adjusting) Now I can group the Muzzy's within 8 inches at 100 yards. Funny story.....same way with the 100 grain steel force broadheads on the same arrows. I can't make sense of this float theory due to the extreme difference in broadhead designs. Steel Force heads that I was shooting were 2 blade with bleeders and a solid blade where as the muzzy being 3 blade but the blades have a void where air can pass through. Not ridiculing or trying to be smarter than someone else. Just passing on my experiences and what is working for me. Good luck and hopefully this helps someone out!
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I use Slick Trick Magnum 125's and LOVE THEM!!! I tuned them up so they are hitting the same spot as my field tips to 50 yds. Havn't killed anything but man they fly like darts. I also noticed that at 40 yds they penetrated my brand new block deepr than my G5 Strykers that I used last year. :dunno:
Does anybody have some good picks from your Slick Trick Kills?
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I had my muzzy's flying everywhere....spun the arrows with heads attached and noticed better group but not same impact point as the field tips.
Same here until I went with stiffer shafts. Broadhead blades are much like the wings on planes. The angle of the blade tip forces air up and over, not through, the blades. Even though it is slight it can really mess up a flexing shaft with the front and back both catching and directing air flow as the shaft continues to vibrate down field. My field tips were darts and then I would put the broadhead on...shoot, and...WTF was that?? New fletches, same problem. New broadheads, same problem. Only when I changed the shafts did I see a HUGE improvement. Then went to a short blade profile and compact broadhead with the SlickTrick... BINGO!
In my best George Zimmer impersonation...I guarantee it!
and I can tell you I get better penitration on my wife!
Now thats funny right there :chuckle:
Does anybody have some good picks from your Slick Trick Kills
Man I wish I had a picture of my deer kill. Sliced the third to last rib going in, drilled the lung, CP'd the heart and SHATTERED the off side leg..I mean blew it up. It was only a 25 yard shot but Mr. deer was 3 ways dead. Devistating.
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Shot a cow with ST's 2 years ago at the coast during late season. Quartering away at 32 yards. She ran 25 yards at died. They fly like my field tips. But since then I fell at work and tore my shoulder up. Can't shoot my bow safely since. Will be back out hunting for first time since with my campion card. Wdfw gave me cross bow permit but haven't bought one. Doesn't seem the same using one of those. I don't want to go back to rifle so stick to my buddy shooting for me for now. Hunted one year bow and got hurt but still hooked and will continue to find a way to shoot bow again. I'm only 43 years old. Good luck to everyone.
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Tuned my bow according to a magazine article related to the subject of making broadheads hit the same spot as field points
The key to any bow shooting success! Great input. The float I was talking about was specifically for under lbs shafts. Even if your bow is tuned, the shaft flex causes the blades to catch air slightly sideways. Some people explain this like "man, I put my broadheads on and they seemed to fly the arrow." Big loopy flight pattern. This is not a problem on a true shaft coming off a tuned bow. In that scenario your arrows are flying true and you dont need to worry about airflow off THE SIDE of twitching blades or fletches. Darts! Field tips have no flight plane (wings) so your fletches correct and steer the arrow, reducing noticeable effects of shaft flex. That is why you dont really notice the problem until you put the wings up-front!
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6x6....Thanks for the information. Never even put much thought into the different angles that different broadhead manufacturers design their blades.
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No Problem. Super cool you are shooting such groups out to 100 yards! :tup:
Blade angle and size make very little difference if you only have the cutting edge giving wind resistance. This only happens on a shaft that isn't flexing or vibrating, meaning your bow is tuned and your shafts are the correct lbs for your draw weight and arrow speed.
The blade angle and size can create havoc when air is hitting the blade even slightly sideways on a vibrating shaft (your bow isn't tuned or your shafts are under #) then the more area your blade occupies (more, bigger, longer blades), the more wind resistance they create. The more resistance up-front and the more affect it has on steering the arrow...thus "float" or "flight" vs. field tip accuracy.
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Going scouting this weekend, anyone else?
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You bet!
I have been scouting every two or three days.
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Hey Ice, where you scouting Saturday morning?
