Post by: coonhunter on April 05, 2008, 12:29:30 PM
I dont understand why those people have GUT to go poaching bear with hounds! UNBELIEVEABLE whats wrong with those people.
coonhunter >:(
psst, I gotta to decide where to put 10 pts in my special Tag draw!!! cant wait... :IBCOOL:
Should I post a picture of arrest? :chuckle: how about post a truck picture maybe u knew those person who own this truck?? :dunno: should I post picture of Gamedept parked by a hunter truck. ;)
Post by: robodad on April 05, 2008, 12:35:14 PM
I hope you get selected on your next special hunt, Good Job !!
Post by: billythekidrock on April 05, 2008, 12:37:48 PM
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Should I post a picture of arrest? how about post a truck picture maybe u knew those person who own this truck?? should I post picture of Gamedept parked by a hunter truck.
Sure. If you took the pic. As long as it is not slanderous I don't see a problem.
Post by: bobcat on April 05, 2008, 12:38:36 PM
Post by: hogsniper on April 05, 2008, 01:49:53 PM
Post by: Machias on April 05, 2008, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 05, 2008, 05:40:29 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on April 05, 2008, 06:35:21 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on April 06, 2008, 07:47:29 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on April 06, 2008, 08:19:37 PM
Post by: WildBear on April 07, 2008, 08:28:08 PM
So I heard...
Sweet deal with the Points!!
Post by: boneaddict on April 07, 2008, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: saylean on April 08, 2008, 09:54:38 AM
Post by: turnloose on April 08, 2008, 09:29:30 PM
Post by: Jerome on April 08, 2008, 10:22:53 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 08, 2008, 10:36:44 PM
Post by: Palmer on April 08, 2008, 11:07:22 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 08, 2008, 11:39:04 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 08, 2008, 11:59:37 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 09, 2008, 12:18:51 AM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 09, 2008, 12:30:03 AM
I've defended quite a few poachers, molesters, rapists, and murderers in my time as a lawyer. While I'm not proud of every aspect of my profession I do enjoy my job. I see it every day. Very rarely does a molester, rapist, or murderer go free. That's just what the media wants you to believe. Poachers RARELY get locked up. That's reality.
I encourage you to follow the post "Chiwawa Poachers Caught!!" as I will keep everyone informed as to the sentence these poachers will get. Without our pressure to the judge and prosecutor, they would get no jail. I am hoping they will. After all, the one individual is one of the biggest game violators I have ever seen...should you deserve jail after continuing to commit game violation after violation? I believe this individual has more game violations than you can count on your fingers and toes.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 09, 2008, 12:34:51 AM
Post by: mkcj on April 09, 2008, 12:40:32 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 09, 2008, 05:51:17 AM
Exactly, chicken*censored*s like you are why we are where we are today. Good luck with that permit stool pidgeon...Being a bit harsh aren't you??
Post by: ICEMAN on April 09, 2008, 06:09:00 AM
Turning in illegal hound hunters is the right thing to do. As sportsmen, it is our responsibility to stand up for game laws, not ignore violations of them. I wouldn't hunt if all hunters ignored the laws in this manner. We need order, not chaos.
Post by: bearhunter59 on April 09, 2008, 07:31:11 AM
Coonhunter saw what he suspected was a game violation and did EXACTLY what the WDFW wants us to do, which call it in if your not sure. He calls it in, the game department comes out there and arrest the guy. Bang....what's the issue, 257? I don't see anything in Coonhunters post implying he has been waiting around to turn someone in just to get points. I don't see anything in his post that says the game department came out there and told him the poacher was actually working for the game dept. It's obvious from the information we've been given that the guy was poaching otherwise the game department wouldn't have arrested him. Whether he actually gets convicted or not, is definitely another story.
So I fail to see why 257 is coming down on Coonhunter.....
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 07:45:42 AM
Thats chicken*censored* of you guys to send nasty e-mails to his home.
Post by: bucklucky on April 09, 2008, 08:46:26 AM
WTF!????
Correct me if I'm wrong on what you are trying to say here. I have had plenty of depradation permits over the years for foresters and have killed bear for them. I beleive I have a copy of one of the permits I can show you. They do have permits for depredation and they do have a list of hound hunters that they call from. Its not a special draw its guys that get the job done. So dont post false info please, you must have either understood wrong or you did not ask the right question.
Post by: BrushChimp on April 09, 2008, 08:50:33 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 09, 2008, 09:15:41 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 09, 2008, 09:29:06 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 09, 2008, 09:36:38 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 09, 2008, 09:38:57 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 09:43:39 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 09, 2008, 09:49:02 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 09, 2008, 09:54:03 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 09, 2008, 09:56:08 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 09, 2008, 09:58:33 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 09:59:31 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on April 09, 2008, 10:08:04 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 10:17:47 AM
I think we jacked Coons thread. We'll have to take it up elsewhere, but I think its totally doable if you are a good hunter. I think we have a thread on here talking about it. I started it about 3 weeks ago....asking if anyone was doing it this year. unlimited sheep units or something like that. I was concerned that the quotas were filled early on, but some really are not. I guess I'd have to hook up with someone with a satellite phone because the style I like to hunt I'd be a long ways from a phone to call in every 24 hours.
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 09, 2008, 10:21:18 AM
Post by: bucklucky on April 09, 2008, 10:51:07 AM
I know from my buddies first hand experiance. He was hunting a depredation permit for a forester a few years ago and got turned in for poaching. Guess what happened to him even though he had all the proper documentation and was huntig within his boundries. The game wardens surrounded the private property they were hunting, gave him and the other houndsmen a rippen , went through there trucks, were treated like criminals. Gee, you would have thought they murdered someone. Wrote citations for a bunch of things including tresspassing which all got dropped cause it wasnt true. Except for one item that wasnt even my buddies screw up. They had 2 permits for the same land owner that they were running at the same time. The game department had screwed up the quardinants and swithed them by accident. So by the property description they were hunting thhe right peice of land but the quardinants were for the other peice. Neadless to say everything eventually got dropped . There is a bunch more to the storry but thats just a quick run down.It cost my buddy alot of money alot of lost wages to go to court for doing nothing wrong, and for what, some one THOUGHT he was poaching?
If I turn someone in for poaching I guarantee I WILL have first hand PROOF.
I hate poaching, I have had elk killed im my back yard in july. Just random kills and they didnt even cut the horns off. You think that wouldnt piss a guy off! We had watched them elk all the time and video them. I wish I had proof. The game department didnt even come out to investigate.
I'm just saying make sure you are not turning in an innocent person because the game dept. will make there life a living hell.
My buddie gave up hounds after that. And I slowed down on my hunting cause I cant afford to have something like that happen to me.
Good for you if you had the proof and they were really poaching.
Thats all I have to say.
Post by: Curly on April 09, 2008, 11:27:55 AM
You couldn't expect somebody to go up to a guy hunting and ask him a bunch of quetions before reporting him. The guy could just lie to you or tell you F-off and mind your own business.
A few years ago I talked to a houndsman that was running bears for a private timber company next to Capitol Forest and he was a real nice guy and showed me his permit and all, but I wouldn't expect all hound guys to do that.
At the time I wasn't aware that it was legal to hunt with hounds, but the guy wasn't suspicious or anything so I figured he was legit. But if I wasn't able to talk to him, and I suspected he was hunting illegally wouldn't it be my responsibility to give WDFW a call? And if I was able to talk to someone at WDFW, they should be able to say "Where are you?.....Oh, well there is a permit in that area for a depredation bear hunt with hounds. Thank you for the call." Or, if there were no permits in the area, then they could send a warden out to check it out.
That is what I would expect to happen if someone reported activity like that.
Post by: bowhuntin on April 09, 2008, 11:43:46 AM
Does anyone think about what happens when you turn a "poacher " in that may not be poaching?
I know from my buddies first hand experiance. He was hunting a depredation permit for a forester a few years ago and got turned in for poaching. Guess what happened to him even though he had all the proper documentation and was huntig within his boundries. The game wardens surrounded the private property they were hunting, gave him and the other houndsmen a rippen , went through there trucks, were treated like criminals. Gee, you would have thought they murdered someone. Wrote citations for a bunch of things including tresspassing which all got dropped cause it wasnt true. Except for one item that wasnt even my buddies screw up. They had 2 permits for the same land owner that they were running at the same time. The game department had screwed up the quardinants and swithed them by accident. So by the property description they were hunting thhe right peice of land but the quardinants were for the other peice. Neadless to say everything eventually got dropped . There is a bunch more to the storry but thats just a quick run down.It cost my buddy alot of money alot of lost wages to go to court for doing nothing wrong, and for what, some one THOUGHT he was poaching?
If I turn someone in for poaching I guarantee I WILL have first hand PROOF.
I hate poaching, I have had elk killed im my back yard in july. Just random kills and they didnt even cut the horns off. You think that wouldnt piss a guy off! We had watched them elk all the time and video them. I wish I had proof. The game department didnt even come out to investigate.
I'm just saying make sure you are not turning in an innocent person because the game dept. will make there life a living hell.
My buddie gave up hounds after that. And I slowed down on my hunting cause I cant afford to have something like that happen to me.
Good for you if you had the proof and they were really poaching.
Thats all I have to say.
It just goes to show that you are "guilty until you prove yourself innocent" not what people think that you are "innocent until proven guilty." They will treat you like a criminal everytime.
Post by: LongTatLaw on April 09, 2008, 12:07:05 PM
The end!
All this crap about maybe he is a damage control...or blah blah blah.... BULLSH_T! and pointless!
If you are hunting, you are legally required to have license and permit with you. Whether thats September elk or some bear damage hound work...
if ya dont have it in your possession, your WRONG. If ya do have your documentation, then me calling the game warden to come check your documentation isn't wrong of me if I suspect wrongdoing.
Trust me 257, I see ya poaching Ill call the game warden... I cant even use 10 points :bash:
As far as being harassed by game wardens, get over it. Ive been searched so damn many times its not even funny! I have spent the majority of the last decade hunting military bases where you can EXPECT to get searched every 3rd time you leave the woods... if ya dont have anything to hide then get over it. Do I like it? No!
So, have your damn documentation and follow the law! if ya dont Im gonna "Stool pigeon" on you :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Machias on April 09, 2008, 12:16:19 PM
I had a run in with the warden here back in 2002. I was in the wrong, I'll state that up front. I had four baby coons, shouldn't have had them. Had a hair brain idea I would try and re-populate a area I hunted my dogs in that is away from everyone and hardly no roads. Dumb idea. $2000 fine and two years probation for keeping wildlife in captivity. I was originally cited by the warden for taking Endangered Wildlife. Spoke to the prosecutor and informed him coons were not Endangered, first he said it didn't matter....excuse me, it does matter!! Then they amended it to taking Protected Wildlife. That's wrong as well. Finally when I showed up in court it was the correct charge of keeping wildlife in captivity. However the prosecutor was hell bent on hooking me up hard, even though it was obvious the little guys had been treated very well and taken good care of and I never had so much as a speeding violation in my 40 years, at the time, life. I was perplexed to say the least. Then I obtained a copy of the warden's report. Probably 3/4 of it was fabricated and outright lies. I was shocked enough to write a letter to the HQ in Olympia and they sent a Sgt out to my house. I got lip service, but I figure that was as good as I was going to get and had a chance to say my piece. Bottom line I was wrong and had put myself in that posiiton, but if you think the wardens do not embellish their reports your wrong, I have seen it first hand.
Post by: saylean on April 09, 2008, 12:23:42 PM
Im pretty confused how anyone is bitching on this post and/or in PM's to you brother! You saw something that looked very suspect. You called the game warden and he came out to investigate and guess what, you were right!
The end!
All this crap about maybe he is a damage control...or blah blah blah.... BULLSH_T! and pointless!
If you are hunting, you are legally required to have license and permit with you. Whether thats September elk or some bear damage hound work...
if ya dont have it in your possession, your WRONG. If ya do have your documentation, then me calling the game warden to come check your documentation isn't wrong of me if I suspect wrongdoing.
Trust me 257, I see ya poaching Ill call the game warden... I cant even use 10 points :bash:
As far as being harassed by game wardens, get over it. Ive been searched so damn many times its not even funny! I have spent the majority of the last decade hunting military bases where you can EXPECT to get searched every 3rd time you leave the woods... if ya dont have anything to hide then get over it. Do I like it? No!
So, have your damn documentation and follow the law! if ya dont Im gonna "Stool pigeon" on you :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Here here.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on April 09, 2008, 12:58:17 PM
If you are driving down the road and spot someone all over the road and you suspect a DUI do you wait and follow them home, approach them and see if they are really drunk, or ask them to admit if they were drinking alcohol...then call the cops when you are 100% sure?
If a girl runs out of a house and claims she has been raped do you talk to her and the guy and determine which one is credible and collect evidence so you are 100% sure when you call the cops?
And 257, would you have rather Coon not turned in the poacher because he wants the points? Would you rather we have a poacher who got away with it because someone cared more about points? I don't get the feeling Coon was that interested in the points. I took the tone of his post to be rather sarcastic and light hearted. You worry about why you'll turn someone in and let other people worry about their own interests.
Post by: Jerome on April 09, 2008, 05:08:04 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 09, 2008, 05:17:01 PM
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What about depredation permit OH I see I dont see it on anywhere on WDFW website about Special bear permit use hound.
If the cougar drawings are mentioned then I am sure the bears are as well. http://wdfw.wa.gov/enf/cougar.htm
Post by: billythekidrock on April 09, 2008, 05:22:20 PM
The state Department of Fish and Wildlife issues about 100 permits a year that allow private landowners who document significant bear damage to hire hound hunters. The permits are good for two weeks, and renewable, said Fish and Wildlife's Sean Carrell.
It is a bit more then 100, but yes, they are good for two weeks and two bears. Renewable upon proof of continuing damage for another two/two.
They don't show the results in the harvest reports anymore, but they did up until 2004.
In 2004 they killed 187 bears on spring damage hunts in Western WA.
In 2003 they killed 138 bears on spring damage hunts in Western WA.
Post by: Ray on April 09, 2008, 05:44:56 PM
Post by: turnloose on April 09, 2008, 06:04:54 PM
Why would you post that and not expect people to send you hatemail.You think that's bad wait till the guy that got busted catches up with you. Bragging about telling on someone that's what little kids do, how old are you, not a grown man like you say.
Yes I think 257 is right JEALOUSY, a real houndsmen would have
TURNEDLOOSE.
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 07:05:01 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on April 09, 2008, 07:11:46 PM
Post by: LongTatLaw on April 09, 2008, 07:16:43 PM
Ive spent over a decade chasing coons, bears, deer, and pigs with dogs.... some hounds I owned and were friends hounds...do I consider myself a dog hunter?
yes,
I can tell ya, the houndsmen I know are some of the most strict followers of game laws. Dont confuse your efforts to support your claim to being a skilled houndsman because you live by a code of poaching. Next thing ya know your gonna be telling me that your a better hunter than me because of all the great big bulls you shot in July at midnight at a feeding station...your right, I sure cant compare to those "hunting skills"
So you've killed more bears than Coon? well thats easy when ya kill 10 per year well prior to season! :bash:
take that *censored* elsewhere because your making those of us that follow the rules look bad!
PS- anyone that wants to come looking for my buddy coon for turning in poachers???? heres a hint, he is staying with me these days and trust me, pm me for the address!
WE"LL LEAVE THE LIGHT ON FOR YA! ;)
Post by: billythekidrock on April 09, 2008, 07:19:13 PM
Thats *censored* Turnloose. With an attitude like that, no wonder you guys got banned from hunting. Are you telling me ALL houndsman are unscrupulous poachers. Hmmmm....how do you feel about being linked into that Machias, Rubbles... and the rest of you.
I agree.. where are the houndsmen here that were so defending "their" sport? These are the types of guys that give all hound hunters and hunters in general a black eye. What do you guys think of this attitude?
Post by: LongTatLaw on April 09, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
I think ya got my 2 cents :twocents:
Post by: Red Dawg on April 09, 2008, 07:27:06 PM
Post by: bucklucky on April 09, 2008, 08:13:46 PM
I can tell you one thing , I have never drove up to a hound hunter that didnt want to shoot the *censored*. All I have met have been pretty good guys.
I called the game department once to find out if I could take my dogs out during the summer to get exercise, and thats just going for walks with my dogs down the road. The warden told me " he would herass me and I wouldnt like him at all and would get a citation for hunting out of season"
WTF! I guess if I owned a bird dog it would be O.K. ;)
Post by: bearsnack on April 09, 2008, 08:24:29 PM
Post by: bucklucky on April 09, 2008, 08:31:17 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on April 09, 2008, 08:32:06 PM
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 08:36:15 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on April 09, 2008, 08:41:14 PM
If I didn't know better, I'd say bearsnack is another member on here. :nono:
:hello:?
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2008, 08:43:46 PM
locked.
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 08:45:35 PM