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Title: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: rjn cajun on November 13, 2010, 08:40:09 AM: I`m new to the site although I`ve been reading everyones topics for a few years. I hope this is in the right category. Just wondering what the next step is after turning in a poacher. I seen a fella shoot a spike buck in a 3-point minnimum GMU. Talked to the guy and informed him what the regs were in this GMU. He told me he was sorry for what had happened and that he thought he was in an any buck GMU. He told me he was gonna turn himself in. He was camped right next to our camp. The next week was elk and he showed me some paper work from the state. Didn`t look at it real well. I`ve never had to turn anyone in. I just thought it was the thing to do in case he was lying to me. I`m not concerned with bonus points I just want the S.O.B punished because he knew what he was doing. Sorry this is so long just wanted to explain this to all the other hunters on here. Anyone know what happens next if anything?
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: Bob33 on November 13, 2010, 08:44:10 AM: Probably nothing will happen. You should have called an enforcement officer when you first observed it.

You really expect someone to turn himself in?
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: Hunterman on November 13, 2010, 08:51:18 AM: So are you calling him a liar for NOT turning himself in?? He offered to show you paperwork that he did what he said he was going to do, and you didn't look it over too good..I say just drop it..There are some people out there that do make misstakes, and will confess to it..A misstake does not make one a poacher..

I'm getting sick and tired of people trying to get points off someone who just plain and simply screwed up..Try teaching them something instead of trying to screw them all the time..

Hunterman(Tony)
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: sivart33 on November 13, 2010, 08:54:02 AM: Quote from: Hunterman on November 13, 2010, 08:51:18 AM
So are you calling him a liar for NOT turning himself in?? He offered to show you paperwork that he did what he said he was going to do, and you didn't look it over too good..I say just drop it..There are some people out there that do make misstakes, and will confess to it..A misstake does not make one a poacher..

I'm getting sick and tired of people trying to get points off someone who just plain and simply screwed up..Try teaching them something instead of trying to screw them all the time..

Hunterman(Tony)

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Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on November 13, 2010, 08:59:37 AM: Quote from: Hunterman on November 13, 2010, 08:51:18 AM
So are you calling him a liar for NOT turning himself in?? He offered to show you paperwork that he did what he said he was going to do, and you didn't look it over too good..I say just drop it..There are some people out there that do make misstakes, and will confess to it..A misstake does not make one a poacher..

Hunterman(Tony)

:yeah:

Good on the guy if in fact he did turn him self in. Sounds like he offered to show you the paper work. IMPO I have a lot of respect for a person that will own up to a mistake like that and turn himself in.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: rjn cajun on November 13, 2010, 09:42:50 AM: If ya read my posting I said I don`t give a #$%# about points.I`ve never looked into turning in someone for making a mistake or poaching. I should have given the details a little better just didn`t want to make a huge story. The guy new what he was shooting and it wasn`t a mistake. How do you mistake a button spike for a 3-point. The spike ran right by his wall tent. We had been watching the deer for a week bedding down and feeding by camp. He walked into my camp and sayed he had hit a 3-point and that`s what all the rucas was and he was looking for blood. The deer was laying 50yrds from his camp. So I went and helped him look for it. When I got to where he was he was gutting it out. I told him about the 3-point minnimum and he told me I was wrong that he just checked the regs after he shot it. I did look at the paper work and it did look real I just want to make sure I didn`t go over it with a fine tooth comb. Some time after we went to bed he left. The next day I seen crows flying around just outside the gate and someone had dumped a full deer carcass gutted and all with the horns cut out. I`m not saying it was this guy. But put two and two together it was just fishy. Again I don`t care about points I have enough. Just wanted to know if the gamies pursue these things. If the guy turned himself in like the paper work shows good for him. There`s few that would.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: thomasmx on November 13, 2010, 09:52:27 AM: This is how I look at it. Its not like you lied in a bored game or something. Your carrying a loaded killing weapon and your shooting it to kill things. If you think your ok with making a small mistake on not knowing where your hunting or the legal kill then I am very sorry but you should never be on this site. Everyone should know exactly what your shooting at. You might as well shoot into the brush at something moving because thats what your doing if you shoot something that you "think" is legal! Dont try to get sympothy for something you killed and think you should get handouts and a pat on the back for making a mistake. You should be done hunting for a long time if you make that mistake!

BTW Im not referring to anyone on this site personally. Im just taking about if I caught someone in the woods poaching. That *censored* does not fly by me. Im a huge hunter and love the code of conduct for hunting. Poaching is NOT in my book! Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: Bob33 on November 13, 2010, 10:07:32 AM: There are mistakes and there are mistakes. Every hunter I know has made one or more mistakes. However, shooting a spike (especially a button spike!) in a 3 point minimum area is simply inexcusable in my opinion. Whether or not is was intentional is not relevant: if you can't see the difference you should face some consequences.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: bigtex on November 13, 2010, 10:18:22 AM: You need to make the call ASAP. You should have called the local Washington State Patrol office (numbers are in the hunting/fishing regs) since they dispatch WDFW Officers 24/7/365. Waiting a week, month, year later doesn't really help them at all. It's the ever famous statement of "oh officer you should have been here yesterday". Well most of us carry cell phones on us, give them a call and report the violation immediately! Don't come on here asking what to do, because by the time you come on here it is probably too late.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on November 13, 2010, 12:03:10 PM: I agree that he did needed to be turned in, but as others have said we have all made mistakes there are situations where some stern conversation could get a guy straight without getting him a 3500 dollar ticket. As for the dumped deer it should have reported as well dont know that a guy would cut the antlers off of a button buck, this was probably another *censored* altogether.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: bigtex on November 13, 2010, 12:05:21 PM: Quote from: SemperFidelis97 on November 13, 2010, 12:03:10 PM
I agree what he did needed to be turned in, but as others have said we have all made mistakes there are situations where some stern conversation could get a guy straight without getting him a 3500 dollar ticket. As for the dumped deer it should have reported as well dont know that a guy would cut the antlers off of a button buck, this was probably another *censored* altogether.

Really? A stern conversation? You think that is better then slapping him with a ticket?

The ticket would be $2,540
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on November 13, 2010, 12:47:59 PM: If you read what I said he should have turned the guy in. There are situations some of which I have read about here that arent so cut, and dry in those I would use a little discretion making a mistake doesnt make eveyone a poacher.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on November 13, 2010, 01:13:31 PM: rjn cajun I suggest not making post like the one you did with out including all the facrs. That is how speculation and opinions come into play.

Your first post made it seam like he really did make a mistakeand was sorry. That the guy tried showing you paper work varifying he turned himself in.

Your second post made it sound lke the guy knew the regs. Knew he shot an illegal deer and didn't give a rats @ss. Lied to you that he had just checked the regs. So did the guy do this during deer season and leave with the deer? Than come back a week later and show you the paper work from the state? If he had the paper work (ticket) the gamies would have taken the deer.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: rjn cajun on November 13, 2010, 04:20:31 PM: Quote from: Michelle_Nelson on November 13, 2010, 01:13:31 PM
rjn cajun I suggest not making post like the one you did with out including all the facrs. That is how speculation and opinions come into play.

Your first post made it seam like he really did make a mistakeand was sorry. That the guy tried showing you paper work varifying he turned himself in.

Your second post made it sound lke the guy knew the regs. Knew he shot an illegal deer and didn't give a rats @ss. Lied to you that he had just checked the regs. So did the guy do this during deer season and leave with the deer? Than come back a week later and show you the paper work from the state? If he had the paper work (ticket) the gamies would have taken the deer.
That`s exactly what happened. He left that night with the deer and I saw him the following week during elk and he showed me the paper work. You guy`s are right I should have turned him in the night I seen it happen. Never turned anyone in or had to. I don`t know the guy but was giving him the benifit of the doubt on turning himself in. Then he showed me paper work. Then I started thinking what if he`s full of @#$%. That`s why I called. Sorry about not giving the full details on my first post.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: ridge line on November 13, 2010, 06:57:46 PM: DNA THEY HAVE THE TECNOLOGY :police:
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: christopheri on November 14, 2010, 10:43:12 AM: Quote from: Hunterman on November 13, 2010, 08:51:18 AM
So are you calling him a liar for NOT turning himself in?? He offered to show you paperwork that he did what he said he was going to do, and you didn't look it over too good..I say just drop it..There are some people out there that do make misstakes, and will confess to it..A misstake does not make one a poacher..

I'm getting sick and tired of people trying to get points off someone who just plain and simply screwed up..Try teaching them something instead of trying to screw them all the time..

Hunterman(Tony)

:yeah:
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: longknife on November 15, 2010, 06:23:25 AM: For one thing, im glad you followed up, and turned him in! If he has a ticket, he will be pardoned the second one(the one u called in).

BUT, why didnt you say anything when you saw the deer carcas???
That makes me sick!! you waited a week for 2 crimes, that could have caught 2 poachers.

It is a crime, not a mistake. He reads the rules and regs like everyone else. These are our deer, we pay out the ass for the rite to hunt them. Take his gun, his truck, and hunting supplies. He told you he had shot at a 3 point, hes a liar and a waistful thief!

Its black and white, NO grey areas when you are talking about poaching
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: ICEMAN on November 15, 2010, 06:48:03 AM: Wow! rjn cajun claimed he was not interested in points, you all need to be a bit nicer to the guy.

I see no problem with anyone coming here to ask. Not all of the folks using this site spend as many hours as alot of us, and some guy posting a question, who seems to be attempting to do the right thing does not need to have his butt chewed over it. Ease up a bit!

Let's just advise as to what should have been the logical thing to do at the time and let it be a learning tool for any newby or lurker, no reason to get personal about it.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: rjn cajun on November 15, 2010, 08:07:31 PM: IceMan no worries here. I figured the butt chewing was coming for not making the call sooner. But as I sayed of all the years I`ve been hunting and all of them in the same GMU I`ve never had to cross this path. I`m no different then anyone else. I`ve paid out the butt for years on tags and license and follow all the regs and for someone not to pisses me off also. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. So I insured my doubt by calling. If he turned himself in good for him if not he`ll get what`s coming.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: duhameister on November 23, 2010, 09:39:06 AM: 1. I think this whole thread is a little crazy, the fact that you waited a week to turn someone in is nuts. Not sure why someone would wait till the second week to do that. If you feel it's warranted make the call, if not leave it alone.

2. Did the guy make a mistake? or was he poaching? You're telling me if "somehow" you made a mistake and shot the wrong deer maybe got an area mixed up (it could happen) you'd turn yourself in? I'm no poacher but if I did happen to make a mistake there's no way in hell I'd walk my butt in to a game wardens office. Just being honest and if you're the person that would turn themselves in you have money to spare and probably don't miss hunting anyhow.

3. Just guessing here but if the guy was a lifelong poacher I'd doubt he'd be do it during season and bring the deer back for everyone to see.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: Gopher on November 23, 2010, 09:45:11 AM: Just exactly what is "paperwork from the state"?
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: dscubame on November 23, 2010, 10:55:00 AM: Here we go again. Are we really going to set another example of why it is so damn hard to post simple questions or what if's on this website? Shame on many of you arses, the intial post and question was very simple.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: NWBREW on November 28, 2010, 10:00:07 AM: Quote from: ridge line on November 13, 2010, 06:57:46 PM
DNA THEY HAVE THE TECNOLOGY :police:

:chuckle: That's funny. Just so I don't threadjack I will say in a situation like that turn them in as SOON as possible. I know mistakes are made. Here's an example of an honest mistake.

Years ago, after a late whitetail hunt in which a buddy of mine killed a big 4x5, we came across a check station the game dept had set up. We both pulled over for it (two tagged deer in two different trucks). They wanted to take a brain sample for CWD.....sure, why not. One of the gamies asked my buddy why the head was cut off and if he left the proof of it being a male attached to the hind quarter. OOPS, no it was left with the gut pile. The gamie told him there was no way for him to know that head came from that deer. My buddy said....DNA? There was 5 or 6 gamies there and they kinda chuckled and told him in that situation that is not an option......$$$. They politly told him to leave something attached next time and thanked him for agreeing to the core sample. ALL were great people and congrats were given to him for taking a beautiful buck. No ticket.

Different mistakes call for different actions taken and I am thankfull that a lot of officials know that.
Title: Re: Turning In A Poacher
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on November 28, 2010, 05:24:54 PM: I agree. By the way they dont always take the animals I know of a few incidences where they didnt take the animal. I wonder if there is anyone on this site that has ever broken the law? Its crazy to me how everyone on here is perfect?? Ive made a mistake before.