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Title: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 07, 2008, 10:05:48 AM: I would be in favor of a three point minimum for the NE whitetail season. There are lots of small bucks up here that need the chance to grow. I think we could increase the trophy potential here.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: robodad on April 07, 2008, 10:45:13 AM: I'd like to respond honestly to your question but I am afraid of getting my ass kicked again !!

Some times you bring up more restrictions in here and everyone is all for it, other times your treated like a piece of :crap:
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 07, 2008, 11:04:11 AM: I'm not interested in "eating your lunch". This is a reg that a few states in the mid west and east have adopted and it's paying off individends as far as herd health and trophy quality is concerned.
There's a lot of science behind this.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: 10Key on April 07, 2008, 11:15:03 AM: The problem is that there is a large constituent that believes the whitetail is quickly taking over our state, to the detriment of muley populations. Whether that is accurate or not is besides the point, muley hunters would be up in arms over this as most of them want the whitetail numbers kept in check and could care less if there is a trophy population of whitetail in Washington. Adding a 3-point minimum regulation to whitetail, even if it is only in the NE, would be a tough sell in my opinion for the aforementioned reasons.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: huntnphool on April 07, 2008, 11:32:27 AM: Quote from: 10Key on April 07, 2008, 11:15:03 AM
The problem is that there is a large constituent that believes the whitetail is quickly taking over our state, to the detriment of muley populations.

I would be among them. I would like to see the whitetail season go to "Any Whitetail, Any Weapon, Sept. 1-Dec. 31. Of course that wont happen for many reasons, but you understand my position ;)
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: boneaddict on April 07, 2008, 11:51:42 AM: I'm pretty much with huntnphool on this one. I really like the 3 point restriction for Muleys. I don't think its necessary at all for whitetails. Hell, I wish they would increase the bag limit. I honestly think they are a detriment to Muledeer.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Ihookum on April 07, 2008, 12:09:02 PM: I would love to see a two point restriction on blacktail. I see alot of spikes and forked horns killed every year that should be given the opportunity to mature.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: bucklucky on April 07, 2008, 12:14:53 PM: I'm with HP and Bone!
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: robodad on April 07, 2008, 12:31:30 PM: OK here I go bucking tide again :bash:

I think a 3pt WT restriction would be a great idea, I am no scientist but it stands to reason that there will be more and larger bucks available each year.

I am a WT hunter and would like to see more and bigger bucks available !!

I also think a 2pt BT restriction is a good idea, I have helped more then one guy pack out a deer with "boney growth above the hairline" and it kind of pissed me off to see them die so young.

As for MD, I think most of them are ugly.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 07, 2008, 01:30:06 PM: Well alot of people in the Chelan county area would like to see it any whitetail as they are competing with the mulies. They would just assume there wasn't any whitetails county wide.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: boneaddict on April 07, 2008, 01:34:15 PM: Its ok to go against the tide Robodad. Its also ok to disagree. I see enough mature whitetail, I have never seen it a problem for them. I call enough of them in and see enough of them during the general season that I have never seen it get to the problem levels as I did Muleys prior to that 3 point or minimium. THey tend to have better escapement than the Muleys.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: robodad on April 07, 2008, 02:02:01 PM: Quote
THey tend to have better escapement than the Muleys

I agree with you there, I also think they are more prolific and more adaptable to the winter conditions, the reason I say that is because I hunt WT's in Wisconsin and statewide we have killed 4-500,000 of them each year for the last bunch of years and are still 50% over the overwinter population goals. It seems like the more we kill the more of them there are which is good for me cause I like to eat them.

I really don't know the impact they have on the MD but it seems like the more competition there is for food the harder it will be for any of them, I just like WT's better that is all !!
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: bucklucky on April 07, 2008, 02:15:38 PM: Whitetails SUCK!
Sorry RD , I had to say it.
I am a Blacktail hunter at heart, love hunting them. I hunted whitetail a couple years ago and I cant beleive more people dont kill big ones. That was the easiest deer hunt I ever did and seen plenty of mature bucks. I killed a mature heavy horned buck. Now Mulies on the other hand are aa bit more challenging, but have seen the whitetails slowly take over the place I USED to hunt for Mulies. Seems like they over populate and push the mulies out , I dunno.

I would love to see more either sex hunts in certain areas to keep the whity numbers down and let the mulies come back.

Whitetails are ugly and are everywhere. I get more nice whitetails in my taxidermy shop than I do blacktails, and I am in the middle of blacktail country on the westside, go figure.

Just my opinion though, I probably dont know nottin though!
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 07, 2008, 02:23:48 PM: I agree that we need more any sex deer hunts. If we can get the doe population where it needs to be, the trophy buck potential will come up as well.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: MountainWalk on April 07, 2008, 02:51:55 PM: i do not live there, but generally i think that elk and whitetails do put the pressure on mule deer. i would be fine with an either sex any buck hunt. i grew up on whiteys, guide for mulies, and i do say that a nice 4x4 blackie is the hardest to hunt. thats just me.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: GoldTip on April 07, 2008, 03:17:35 PM: I personally feel it should be any deer for either species for anyone under 18 years of age, there's plenty of Mulie does and spike/forked horns to allow for anyone under 18 to shoot'em, same goes for Whitetails, which I think it is that way part of the season on Whitey's anyway. Otherwise 3 point or better for Whitey's for adults is fine with me, there are plenty of good whitetail bucks around as it is and I have yet to shoot one smaller than that since I moved to WA anyway, but I've seen plenty of spikes riding around in the backs of trucks as well.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 07, 2008, 04:28:24 PM: I know this is unpopular for lots of hunters, but what about getting rid of the rifle season during the rut? That's when most of the bucks get smacked. For trophy management that would make lots of sense.
Let people bow hunt during the rut.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 07, 2008, 04:35:52 PM: I like the rut........

I think the overall structure has been thought out much farther than any of us can think of it....It is doing very well, lots of anuimals every year....

if it aint broke why fix it?
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: billythekidrock on April 07, 2008, 04:38:29 PM: Quote
For trophy management that would make lots of sense.

WDFW is not for trophy management, but manages for opportunity.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 07, 2008, 04:45:18 PM: Quote from: Coasthunterjay on April 07, 2008, 04:35:52 PM
I like the rut........
I think the overall structure has been thought out much farther than any of us can think of it....It is doing very well, lots of anuimals every year....
if it aint broke why fix it?
I see a roadkill deer everyday on my 12 mile commute. Something appears to be broke. Everyone likes the rut, the problem is (IMO) too many small deer being killed and a low percentage of mature bucks. The reason Mid-west states have booners killed every year, is that they let them breed and hunt general season after the rut....and they kill LOTS of BIG animals every year.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Wea300mag on April 07, 2008, 05:35:45 PM: I like to hunt both and want the best shot a getting a bigger buck so 3pt is OK with me. I also think that the traditional mule deer areas like Chelan and the Methow should have a season to exterminate the whiteys.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: PolarBear on April 07, 2008, 05:37:42 PM: I'm all for a 3pt reg on whities as well as a 3 pt reg on blacktails and a 4 pt reg on mulies in certain areas. With that said, I think that the youth tags should be spike whitetail only and reduce the number of doe permits. Many studies have shown that whitetail bucks that grow spikes as their first set of antlers will almost never have the potential to become of trophy quality.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 07, 2008, 05:55:59 PM: I think the spike to trophy studies are primarily for Mule deer, Wt can be a spike on the first year (18 mo old) and grow to be a trophy.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 07, 2008, 06:04:56 PM: I havent had any problems finding mature animals, i have seen alot. usually they arent anywhere near me or in a private property area. but they are there. Yes i have shot a few smaller animals. But maybe instead of putting more limitations on what we arent allowed to shoot. Why not open up a spike tag with the skin head tag? If you want to stop the reproduction of the smaller animals then cap off the solution right there. Ultimately i believe by shooting alot of the smaller deer that you are allowing the Larger populations of larger deer that hide at night or in other area that you arent finding them, the ones that you rarely see to stay alive and reproduce for further years...

And by saying you want to change the rut hunt to a bow hunt versus a rifle hunt? If they change it the rifle hunters are just going to charge it back at us all and say the same thing about the bow hunters that you all are saying about us rifle hunters now....Blah, blah, blah, wah, wah , wah.....someone always has a problem with who gets to hunt what....atleast we get to hunt.....! :twocents:

I dont hunt the rut for purpose of getting a huge deer. I have been lucky, but I happen to actually hunt when every one else does and have never needed to put in for any type of special hunt or tag so i see no need in changing this. If you want a big animal then you need to invest more time in your area you hunt and find the big boys....there out there....for years i didnt think so, and you know what...hard work pays off!

Whitetails till i die! Show me differently and i will change but otherwise no one has been able to yet!

Im not against making changes but we need to be careful how we word changes because a simple word can change something to something else that we didnt want in the first place....

But then maybe i am not understanding what you are posting by saying you want a 3 point cap put on everything....Isnt there already a 3 point minimum? I am speaking for the south eastern areas?

And Road kill is an everyday occurance.......Maybe you can call me insensative but roadkill is something that i have seen since i was a little kid and think nothing of it.....Maybe the deer should learn how to jump faster or get the hell out of the road........ LOL ....... :chuckle:

Did i mention WT for life!........ :chuckle:
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 07, 2008, 06:06:58 PM: I am ok with making it 3 point or above accross the bord though for all of Wshington..........
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: PolarBear on April 07, 2008, 06:17:57 PM: Quote from: WAcoyotehunter on April 07, 2008, 05:55:59 PM
I think the spike to trophy studies are primarily for Mule deer, Wt can be a spike on the first year (18 mo old) and grow to be a trophy.
The studies that I read were specifically on whitetails. They were done by several whitetail only ranches in Texas, Ohio, Montana and Wisconsin. All of these ranches found the same result after a 15 or so year study. I havent seen any studies done on mulies or blacktails.

I would also support a closure of all hunting during the rut, that includes elk as well. I hunt late archery for deer and elk, well after the rut for either. I would like to see more mature animals get the chance to breed without being chased around by hunters when they are at their dumbest and most vulnerable.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 07, 2008, 06:19:50 PM: Why hunt the rut for a big deer when i can get a big deer in the general season....I hunt october opener and get a good deer every year! Yes a small deer in my past but i have always been a first legal deer meat on the table im shooting type of person.....But the last 4 years i have shot 4 points and above, with my biggest being the last couple of years.....

And the deer i shot last year being the biggest was in a really early rut in middle of october....

But then again im not a horn hunter and am only speaking from my opinions and from what i have seen in the area that i hunt.

thats all i was trying to say........................
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Ihookum on April 07, 2008, 06:25:44 PM: Anyone want to know how to shoot a big buck?

You let the little ones walk.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: PolarBear on April 07, 2008, 06:29:31 PM: Quote from: Ihookum on April 07, 2008, 06:25:44 PM
Anyone want to know how to shoot a big buck?

You let the little ones walk.

Amen!
Actually, I like it when folks fill their tag with spikes during the opener, it means more big bucks for me and fewer people in the woods during the late season.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Gobble on April 07, 2008, 08:21:19 PM: I don't want to see a 3 pt season. too many of them anyway, they are displacing the mule deer and I just like hunting muleys more. WT deer are like parasites.l Plus I like venison and the late hunt usually pans out for me to take a meat buck that is usually a small buck. I was lucky this year and shot a nice 120 class 5 yr old 5 x 5.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Palmer on April 07, 2008, 10:46:05 PM: I agree with the three pt min. However, I've seen many 1 1/2 year old 4 pts and its hard to make a width restriction for the size of the antlers if you want the 1 1/2 yo's to become 2 1/2 yo's.

If there was a pt restriction, I'd also like to see anterless along with that. (3 pt min and anterless) More second tags offered as well.

Not only are whitetails pressuring the mullies, I've heard reports of mullies bounding off with a big white bushy tail. Too much interbreeding.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: LongTatLaw on April 07, 2008, 11:38:12 PM: I like the idea of a 3pt min but its kinda selfish IMO. To be honest, its kinda placing my values on others.

many people on here aren't trophy hunters... they are meat hunters and many of those are pretty happy with a fat doe or even a SUCKLING :chuckle: I like the idea of a huge antlered monster and 3pt would keep me from shooting something smaller. but, what about a new hunter, that a little spike would be a trophy... Ive paid to have a dink 2x2 mounted more than once... because of the experience, he was a trophy

So, I would support it, but I also feel like its a rule that doesnt represent the entire hunting population.

I will say that the one deer rule seems a little limited to me. The numbers are there for sure, Id like to see a 1 doe / 1 buck rule...and a whitetail tag + mule deer / BT ... I believe just like now, most people would still focus on Mulies but a bonus WT tag would maybe put a dent in the WT population.

I love WT's I hate BT's but I will say ya gotta keep an eye on WT's because they are extremely adaptive!
almost as bad as feral hogs... they will produce far beyond the carrying capacity if left unchecked.

back to subject, 3pt mi ok with me
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: boneaddict on April 08, 2008, 06:11:41 AM: Thats correct Ihookem.

and for the record....big whitetails taste better in September compared to November.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 08, 2008, 06:51:38 AM: Quote from: LongTatLaw on April 07, 2008, 11:38:12 PM
. but, what about a new hunter, that a little spike would be a trophy...

Thats what the 5 dollar special draws are for......

If you are worried about filling meat tags. then stop putting in for those trophy GMU or late hunt tags and put in for a doe tag. Or anything tag.

Most these comments that were stirred up sound like there comming from horn hunters that just want the horn hunting to be easier0.....

I think alot of people are having the moody winter blues and are trying to find things that are wrong......

And bone your right! Big whitetails do taste better in september or early october versus november!
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 08, 2008, 04:53:06 PM: Coasthunterjay lets see some of those big whitetails you've taken.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: MountainWalk on April 08, 2008, 05:37:50 PM: whitetails are not a corner stone or key species in wa, so i have no problem with an any deer reg. again, i do feel that the boom in elk and whitetails are harming muledeer.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Sagedawg on April 08, 2008, 06:09:32 PM: I hunt south of Spokane. Where I hunt we have WT's and mulies, I pass on WT's in hopes of getting a nice mulie.I will say that the 3pt IS producing nice bucks in all of these areas. But it is also pushing the WT to a cult like status, hell maybe Im wrong but when you grow up with nothing but WT all around, they all look the same. I grew up hunting WT in South Texas, so I am used to the term deer management. Yes you can grow big bucks, yes you have to make cuts at herd levels and yes you can make a differance on buck to doe ratios. But what is really needed to make this all work is co-operation from all involved. Myself, I would much rather hunt mulies, the 3pt requirement down where I hunt HAS made a huge differance, but it has also caused some problems for instance if your not family finding land to hunt is a major obstacle., or how deep are you willing to dig into your pockets? If the state was to go to this setup ,who thinks that this would happen in all the ag lands that will fuel trophy potential?All of us watch the hunting shows and yeah its cool, but what we are not seeing is the intense supplemental feeding and such that goes on. All of this is whats needed to grow big ,healthy mature bucks. If landowners start into a program to do this ,arent the going to be forced to charge for hunting acess? So who see's "pay to hunt" rear its ugly head? I do for damn sure. Alot of guys will pay to hunt but I wont and I think this one of the downfalls of "game management. I look at it this way, the strong are what pass on desireable genes,every so often one of us, who puts in the time an effort are rewarded with an animal of trophy caliber, do I want to pay for this right or do I want to earn it? Me I want to earn my trophy,,so as far a WT go any deer with four legs and a tail should be fair game,just my .02.

Sage
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Red Dawg on April 08, 2008, 06:55:04 PM: From what i am hearing our country does not need a better white tail population. Apparently they are taking over a lot of the mule deer habitat. I dont like that. So i dont think it is a good idea.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Palmer on April 08, 2008, 11:00:36 PM: This almost reminds me of Mackinaw fishing in a lake known for its kokanee. The locals will tell you to take as many Mackinaw as possible. Except here a mule deer hunter would probably tell other whitetail hunters to harvest as many whitetail as they legally are able.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 09, 2008, 06:50:35 AM: Quote from: Red Dawg on April 08, 2008, 06:55:04 PM
From what i am hearing our country does not need a better white tail population. Apparently they are taking over a lot of the mule deer habitat. I dont like that. So i dont think it is a good idea.

well then in that case i guess i will just have to change my whole idea of hunting....hahhhhhh, just joking, i love WT and will hunt it forever....

just consider me as one of the guys whos taking care of a problem, LOL...........lol............ :chuckle:

taking care of the wt population that is.........
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 07:58:03 AM: I think we should arrange a semi truck load of them to dump over in Germany, so the boys can have some fun this fall over there. Give Miles something to do in the spring too. ;)
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Sagedawg on April 09, 2008, 10:29:02 AM: Just send 2 and they'll be ready to hunt by fall.............the way they adapt and take over.....lol

Sage
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: hambone on April 09, 2008, 07:58:55 PM: i think that a 3 point reg for eastern wash. would be a good idea but to add to this put in to harvest a buck you first have to shoot a doe.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 08:00:07 PM: I think they do that in some states back east.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: robodad on April 09, 2008, 08:02:02 PM: It is called "Earn-A-Buck" quite popular in Wisconsin !!
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: hambone on April 09, 2008, 08:10:32 PM: i do alot of my deer hunting south of spokane and in my area i have muledeer starting to move in to the area see them in with whitetails last buck i shoot was with a muley doe. seen one bunch of 11 muley bucks together. this is in the freeman area
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: boneaddict on April 09, 2008, 08:13:45 PM: The mulies kind of made a comeback on some traditional ground in the last year or two. They don't tend to be effected as much as the whities in regards to the black tongue thing. It devestated some whities in and around the inland empire. That seemed to allow the mulies to get a foothold back. It won't take long though.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: PolarBear on April 09, 2008, 08:24:34 PM: Quote from: hambone on April 09, 2008, 07:58:55 PM
i think that a 3 point reg for eastern wash. would be a good idea but to add to this put in to harvest a buck you first have to shoot a doe.
I would quit hunting deer in this state if you had to shoot a doe first. I have never and will never shoot a doe! Why shoot a deer that I dont want just to get to hun one that I do? What a f-ing waste! The same goes for spikes and 2 points, if that was all we were allowed to shoot, I'd give it up and go somewhere else. I aint that desperate. It might be fine for other folks and that is ok but not for me or my kids.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: PolarBear on April 09, 2008, 08:44:34 PM: I eat every bit of it (and donate some to friends). I raise beef cattle and do not feel that I "have" to shoot any deer that walks in front of me for meat. There is nothing wrong with being selective. To me it is a waste to shoot just any animal just to fill a tag. I would rather waste a tag. I know too many guys who shoot whatever is legal, saying that they love the meat, wind up turning it all into pepperoni and then wasting most of it.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Ray on April 09, 2008, 08:52:04 PM: I shoot the first legal deer. No harm no shame no foul. It's my decision to make. I don't think it makes me any better or worse than anyone else..
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: PolarBear on April 09, 2008, 09:01:41 PM: That is fine if that is what is cool with you. I dont intend for anyone else to agree with the limits that I put on myself, they are just personal goals and guidelines and thats it. I am not saying that you are bad for doing what you do, it's just what I believe in for myself. That is a lot of why I chose to hunt alone. I got tired of my buddies dumping the first critter that they saw and messing up my hunt because I had to pack the *censored*s out for their weak asses. :chuckle: One season I missed 4 days of hunting (out of 6) because I was too busy packing other peoples dink forked horn bucks out from the middle of b.f.egypt because they were too far out of shape to do it their selves. That was the last time for me. Where I deer hunt is a long ass ways in through some nasty stuff so the buck better be well worth the effort of packing him out, sometimes over a couple of days.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Red Dawg on April 09, 2008, 09:08:55 PM: I am not a meat hunter either. A little ol deer isnt going to make a difference in my freezer. It is hard though because i really do love to kill stuff. Elk would be a different story though. To each his own. Kill the white tail.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Palmer on April 09, 2008, 10:54:41 PM: Latest statistics I've read:

Population growth of WT in USA has gone from 2 million to 20 million in the past 60 years.

200,000 WT in the Idaho panhandle North of Pend Oreille River.
50,000 WT in Region 1 of Washington :drool:
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: actionshooter on April 09, 2008, 11:03:44 PM: I don't see anything wrong with shooting a deer for the horns as long as the meat doesn't go to waste.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Dman on April 10, 2008, 01:36:55 PM: I like venison with my pumpkin pie.
Title: Re: What do you think about a 3 pt whitetail reg?
Post by: Coasthunterjay on April 10, 2008, 02:29:29 PM: Well i am not a horn hunter, but i am deffinantly selective...

But i also dont thrive or live of the fact that i need deer meat. because i dont. But i sure do like it....ALOT! Shoot i am almost selective about who i give meat to because you only get it once a year. :chuckle:

In my area if i hunted for the first legal deer i would tag out every time with in a half hour of the opener....granted not a big animal, but no problem in my area....

So i do my homework, take my time, and like most if i dont see a monster or a good deer then i will either waste a tag or wait till the late season. But so far in the last few years i have not had to wait.....but i am contimplating on hunting the early wilderness hunt though...

I dont even care about this whole 3 point crap. and i like WT! more then mule deer. :twocents: