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Title: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 16, 2010, 12:15:05 PM
I don't care how far I have to drive or how much work I have to do to get the trophy bull of a life time.  What's the best unit to start putting my points into to make it happen?  Not wanting any honey holes.  Just a GMU that has the biggest best bulls and lots of them.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 16, 2010, 12:17:13 PM
Colockum  :dunno:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Curly on November 16, 2010, 12:21:09 PM
You may never draw.  Might as well start applying for NM or AZ.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 16, 2010, 12:42:46 PM
Peaches ridge
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 16, 2010, 12:43:58 PM
Colokum isn't a GMU, but I do hear of a lot of nice bulls taken from that area so thanks for the reply.  I may never get drawn for a special permit but I am still going to put in and try. Who knows, maybe when I turn 90.  I am only 33 and have several years in so you never know.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 16, 2010, 12:47:23 PM
Is Peaches ridge in Teanaway 336 or Taneum 346? Which GMU is Colokum in?
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: runamuk on November 16, 2010, 12:50:51 PM
well colockum teanaway tanueum used to hold lots of gorgeous bulls now I have no idea haven't lived there in a long time...not sure which GMU's those are in... :dunno: I tend to know area names not gmu's ....
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 16, 2010, 12:51:45 PM
peaches is 336 and 346
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 16, 2010, 12:53:18 PM
naneum and mission are also good. 10x10 running around in liberty this year
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 16, 2010, 12:57:51 PM
Cool thanks!  Anyone have any info on the Toutle, Margaret or Loo-wit? 
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Bob33 on November 16, 2010, 01:10:31 PM
The biggest bulls in the state are coming out of the Blues these days.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 16, 2010, 01:14:39 PM
bob33, that is incorrect, in fact no elk come out of the blues anymore, i have seen it myself
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: HUNT on November 16, 2010, 01:19:21 PM
bob33, that is incorrect, in fact no elk come out of the blues anymore, i have seen it myself

 :yeah:

Im with Jim on this one.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: 400out on November 16, 2010, 01:20:42 PM
The biggest bulls in the state are coming out of the Blues these days.
Your close bob33 just a little wrong  "the bigget bulls in the state werecoming out of the blues! the key word is past tense all gone now  :'(
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: gaddy on November 16, 2010, 01:21:55 PM
yes all gone-dont waist your time with the blues
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: 400out on November 16, 2010, 01:25:23 PM
I hear that Hanford holds some great bulls  :dunno:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 16, 2010, 01:30:29 PM
 :yeah: yes it does, very hard to draw for though  :hello:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: shedcrazy on November 16, 2010, 01:33:32 PM
Don't let them *censored* you, the blues units, Dayton, Wenaha, Lick Creek. The Watershed is a good unit to apply for. You will have to work as its a wilderness area. No roads or wheeled anything. Good luck
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 16, 2010, 01:34:26 PM
Which unit is the hanford in?
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 16, 2010, 01:34:50 PM
TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!! QUICK EVERYBODY GET HIM  :chuckle:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 16, 2010, 01:36:28 PM
I like the sound of no roads and having to work for it!  That doesn't exist much here on the west side.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 16, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
Oh I see how it is ... don't let the new guy in on the true info ;)  Thanks Shedcrazy, I appreciate the honesty!
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: fair-chase on November 16, 2010, 01:42:43 PM
Which unit is the hanford in?

It's called 999 Nuclear Reservation. Requirements include but not limited to: Being able to outrun the black helicopters, Ghuillie suit to avoid sniper fire, ability to disarm security cameras, and a willingness to serve life in an undisclosed holding cell.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Curly on November 16, 2010, 01:45:30 PM
Check out these pics......... Hanford Bulls (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,4299.0.html)
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 16, 2010, 01:47:24 PM
Me? *censored* someone..........never   :chuckle:   welcome to the sight  :hello:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 16, 2010, 02:13:56 PM
I just spent almost 20 days in the blues and I think I took out the last one. No Elk in the Blues
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: HUNT on November 16, 2010, 02:23:41 PM
I just spent almost 20 days in the blues and I think I took out the last one. No Elk in the Blues

Don't you mean Colockum?
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 16, 2010, 02:27:58 PM
yes he does, i saw him there
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Bob33 on November 16, 2010, 02:31:01 PM
bob33, that is incorrect, in fact no elk come out of the blues anymore, i have seen it myself
My mistake!!  I meant to say the Blues in OREGON.  The Washington Blues are dead.  Nothing there but some coyotes and a few grouse.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 16, 2010, 02:34:19 PM
easy mistake to make, i have done it, but thanks for clearing it up
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: 400out on November 16, 2010, 03:18:34 PM
easy mistake to make, i have done it, but thanks for clearing it up
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: dam old people anyways  :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: trophyhunt on November 16, 2010, 03:26:28 PM
Don't let them *censored* you, the blues units, Dayton, Wenaha, Lick Creek. The Watershed is a good unit to apply for. You will have to work as its a wilderness area. No roads or wheeled anything. Good luck
This guy must not hunt in the blue's, you want to apply for the clockum.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: spikehunter on November 16, 2010, 03:42:30 PM
how about the hanford gmu :dunno:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 16, 2010, 03:58:29 PM
It's called 999 Nuclear Reservation. Requirements include but not limited to: Being able to outrun the black helicopters, Ghuillie suit to avoid sniper fire, ability to disarm security cameras, and a willingness to serve life in an undisclosed holding cell.







 :chuckle:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: runamuk on November 16, 2010, 08:39:11 PM
I just spent almost 20 days in the blues and I think I took out the last one. No Elk in the Blues

seee right here is proof the last elk is gone.....no elk in the blues
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: bigpaw 77 on November 16, 2010, 08:45:52 PM
bob33, that is incorrect, in fact no elk come out of the blues anymore, i have seen it myself
My mistake!!  I meant to say the Blues in OREGON.  The Washington Blues are dead.  Nothing there but some coyotes and a few grouse.
There arnt any grouse either, I killed the last one this fall. The Clockum has millions of elk and grouse. THERE ARE NO ELK IN THE BLUES. :chuckle:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: 7mm Bob on November 17, 2010, 08:28:19 AM
easily the nooksack unit 418.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: dc on November 17, 2010, 08:59:09 AM
As far as the Toutle and Margaret goes, they are not the tag they used to be.  Still lots of elk, but rag horns are the norm.  Dont get me wrong, there are still some nice bulls but not nearly what it used to be. 
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Buckrub on November 17, 2010, 09:32:10 AM
 :bash:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/)


What is considered a trophy? 300" class? why would you need a permit?
The new "quality" bull permit just ensured the chances of getting a permit diminished greatly...
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: HEADSHOT on November 17, 2010, 10:16:15 AM
i hunt turkey in the blues, there is plenty of bulls up there! I was there this rifle deer season and saw toads! Also the muzzle loader guys I believe when they draw take some huge animals! As for big bad ass bull public lands hold huge animals! You want big game find areas that are hard to get into but still hold game! I saw huge animals before the rifle season"general" didn't see them during but they are still there you just have to put the time in to find them! Just because you do draw that tag of a life time, doesn't mean you will fill it. So whats the point of putting in for that dream hunt? Why not hunt the general season and beat the local "big" bulls at there own game! After all elk are elk and you still have to be apart of the 7%er's! Maybe more or less depending on the area? I have seen huge bull here where I live, when I was in high school huge bulls in suixon unit, marble, and toutle. And know the biggest bulls ever in my life are roaming the blues..... You still have to find them. 3 months ago I seen the biggest rosie ever but haven't seen him since the general season started. You want a big bull hunt the high fence, quality is still to be had on public lands.... This is not to say  hope I draw my east side tag, because I would love it! Look at it this way the real reason these animals are huge is because the state makes big money on there big game! Think about how much money we spend on tags "special" permits! And then come to find out you finally draw one and the damn timber company locks the land! Or better yet some rich guy out bid you on a permit "http://rayonierhunting.com/" its a crock! We the average person should be allowed access to our land after all its the timber that pays the bills not our passion for game meat! I guess we should all be the Hunting Washington hunt club! Its my idea, don't try and use it! But for real think about this site and its members, How much could we as a hole group accomplish for our future and our children s! Wow I just went off my bad... I am just an average guy who enjoys the hunt as much as the reward... WCH/KKC! For life......
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 17, 2010, 10:38:23 AM
 :yike: Somebody tackle this guy  8)
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: HEADSHOT on November 17, 2010, 10:40:46 AM
hahaha why because I said the eastside holds huge bulls! Its not like WashingtonOregon fishing and hunting doesnt post it every year! I just get pissed we cant get on timber lands with out being in a club!
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 17, 2010, 10:44:30 AM
maybe the colockum, but not the blues, no elk in the blues man. since when do we listen to the media?
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: 400out on November 17, 2010, 10:45:27 AM
WOW WOW It is just amazing how confused people get! The only thing I read in that last post was biggest rosie he ever saw! Lets do the math... which is healthier cheat grass or green follage? west has lush green feed... east has cheat grass, tumble weeds, pine needles... last time I checked 2+2= 4 :dunno:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: runamuk on November 17, 2010, 10:50:01 AM
 :chuckle: :chuckle:

I love this ...we know the only thing inthe blues is berries....gosh people don't pay attention
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: HEADSHOT on November 17, 2010, 10:57:17 AM
yeah and the huge rosie's live on the coast! Watched the *censored*s for the past 3 months, but oh wait a mnute! RED DOTS EVERY WHERE AND PERMIT ONLY SIGNS EVERY WHERE! dAMN IT.....T SHOULD ALL BE PUBLIC! bUT back to the origins of the topic. Good luck on your big bull tag! It all depends weher you hunt as for the nemah, salmon creek, deep river, edan vallay, bear river ridge, willipa flats, willipa valley, trout lakes, camp creek, suixon, marble, vader/ryderwood, and the  favorite long beach penn! There is bad ass elk and big ones! But heck even the land of wolves and vampires has toads! Its all about putting your time in the woods! I found 2 bulls this year that are crowned! But guess what come general rifle I wasnt the only person who saw them. Bout a dozen others had as well. So as for the special permit they are great for one thing, you might not get corked on your bull youve been watching for 3 months, but you might wake up and see him on private timber land opening day!. which SUCKS!!! Because by the time you walked or biked in he would be 8.5 miles from your truck! Dont get me wrong I had a great season we got elk, deer, bear, turkeys, and birds....
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 17, 2010, 11:18:09 AM
Define " trophy bull of a lifetime ", to different folks that can mean different things. To me an " average joe " kinda guy in regards to income and resources my bull of a lifetime may be differnt than a guy like Agnew who can afford tags in the best units all the time with, unlimited scouting and research available.

   My trophy bull of a lifetime is a knarly crowned roosevelt bull, black horn with white tips, 1000 lbs on the hoof, very mature animal, a minimum of 3 mile, pack out, and I have hunted a whole season chasing this dude. Its the last day and Im within 30 yards in the dark timber and ferns. The bull is bugling and working cows chasing off other bulls, A heavy mist is in the air, soaking everything but not actually qualifying as rain, the bull is broadside and takes the perfectly placed arrow  right behind the shoulder. tipping over less than a hundred yards away. I dont know the score and I dont care, hes MY trophy.

   But if we are talkin numbers, 260+ roosie and 360 + rocky are my goals and what I would ( hope ) to hold out for in a premium unit. Wenaha, Tuccanon, Dayton. My top Rocky Bull tags in this state. ( although I never apply cuz I hunt wetside, and out of state ). For a true Roosevelt as defined by BC and PY I would have to say Matheny. If I didnt care about "true" blood, I have seen enough big crown bulls in the margarite in the last two years that I think thats still an option. I agree with most on here the majority of tags in washington are opportunity tags, more than quality tags. And the real " quality tags" can litteraly be a OIL thing. On a positve note I have seen tremendous bulls in non draw, or eaiser to draw units, both east and westside.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Buckrub on November 17, 2010, 11:34:11 AM
While the debate continues and we wait for a lucky draw the tribes are for hire to the rich white man hunting rutting bulls in the blues.
Go figure
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: BLUEBULLS on November 17, 2010, 01:07:37 PM
While the debate continues and we wait for a lucky draw the tribes are for hire to the rich white man hunting rutting bulls in the blues.
Go figure

what do you mean? :dunno:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Buckrub on November 17, 2010, 01:20:40 PM
The tribes are guiding the rich for elk in our state.  :bash:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: high country on November 17, 2010, 01:44:44 PM
big bulls show up where few people are willing to go........regardless of geographic area.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 18, 2010, 09:59:20 PM
Thank you everyone for contributing to the topic, I really appreciate all the advice.. good and bad.  I have only killed one bull in my life. It was a nice 3x4 that I got on my second year of hunting.  I have only been hunting elk for 6 years now (sorry I am a transplant from the midwest) and they say the average is 1 in 7 years so I would say I am doing pretty good so far.  I think my definition of a trophy bull is something that is respectable enough to hang on the wall and more importantly a nice bull that comes with a great story about me working my ass of to get.  I will let you all know if when and where I do draw my special permit tag.  Meanwhile I will continue to look for that trophy bull on public lands during the regular season just like everyone else. God Bless Elk Hunting!!
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on November 19, 2010, 01:21:12 PM
West Wenaha, Tucannon or Dayton.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 19, 2010, 01:33:37 PM
Dude.....we covered this, no elk in the blues, at all    :bash:         8)
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2010, 01:36:01 PM
Meanwhile I will continue to look for that trophy bull on public lands during the regular season just like everyone else. God Bless Elk Hunting!!

So, what you're saying is that you are not going to apply for the Blues since it is spike only there?  :dunno:  Or are you going to plan on getting the Muti-Season permit and apply in E WA units when you have the multi-permit?
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 19, 2010, 06:01:38 PM
I am definitely going to put in for the Blues without a doubt, what so ever, I am certain of that, for sure, totally confident, done deal.  That's where all the bulls are right?
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: runamuk on November 19, 2010, 06:05:56 PM
I am definitely going to put in for the Blues without a doubt, what so ever, I am certain of that, for sure, totally confident, done deal.  That's where all the bulls are right?

then you have to hunt the eastside for spikes  :dunno:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 19, 2010, 06:31:36 PM
The blues are full of big bulls. Don't let some of these guy bs you, draw permits or not best elk hunting in the state! :twocents:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Scott on November 19, 2010, 06:53:13 PM
The blues are full of big bulls. Don't let some of these guy bs you, draw permits or not best elk hunting in the state! :twocents:
Might be true...But....A lot of best hunting in the state is on private property.....So be carefull on what gmu that you apply for!   :twocents:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: rjn cajun on November 19, 2010, 07:15:22 PM
Never hunted the blues but doesn`t sound like I`m missing much. :PSpend most of my time in the colockum and manasatash.I`ll tell ya for sure there wasn`t much in the manasatash this year. But the colockum was full of nice bulls. Good luck on the draw cuz I`ll be one of the ones with a tag next year. Maybe you can draw the other one. :dunno:
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 19, 2010, 07:22:33 PM
lots of public land there too. Just look at the elk hunting posts from this year, nice bulls!
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Ihuntelk2 on November 19, 2010, 07:26:16 PM
Yah right!!! Hawgs, Pigs, Racks and Backstraps....come on
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 19, 2010, 07:30:52 PM
I lived in Pomeroy when I was in school, I know whats in them thar hills! Big whiteys,mulies and bulls!
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on November 21, 2010, 10:40:22 PM
I would put all my eggs in the WHITE RIVER unit and pray for snow and kill a big PARK bull!!
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: huntnnw on November 22, 2010, 12:16:40 AM
better off going outta state
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 22, 2010, 08:58:22 AM
I understand that if I put in for the blues or any other east side unit and don't get drawn then I am stuck hunting for spikes, so I think I would be better off putting in for a west side unit so that if I don't get drawn I can continue to hunting the areas I already know.  With that said, which s the best west side unit to apply for?  Since I live in the couv I am thinking that Margaret 524 is the best option or if I want to drive a little futher, people have recommended the White River.  What are your thoughts guys and gals?
Thanks!
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Curly on November 22, 2010, 09:17:07 AM
Get the mulit-season permit and apply for the east side whenever you can get the multi permit.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: Taznatrz on November 22, 2010, 09:34:04 AM
Cool thanks!  Anyone have any info on the Toutle, Margaret or Loo-wit? 

ya don't waste your time putting in for these
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 22, 2010, 05:17:19 PM
IMHO, The units you have mentioned have their ups and downs. My experience in the margarite unit has been limited to scouting the past couple of years. I have seen bulls in there I would definitley put on my wall. From what I hear its not as good as it once was. But as stated in an earlier post, I have seen enough to keep me at least interested.
     Here is some perspective.... My buddy drew Mudflow any elk in 09. We started scouting in late spring up until the opener, we saw and looked over ALOT of bulls in that time. Out of those we saw 2 bulls in velvet that MAY have gone 300. A 7x7 and a 6x7. Both bulls were on the border of the margarite in the blast zone and we figured prolly not gonna be in our area. Within the area we had scouted ( mudflow) 1 maybe 2 bulls flirted with 280 or 290, 6 or 7 bulls we saw were in the 250 to 270 range. Several bulls 220 and tons of raghorns. This was his second year hunting archery, had never killed a bull with his bow and his second bull. To say we had a blast is an understament, We chased bulls everyday for three days. When we weren't chasing we were looking at bulls. We got close to a 260 on the first day, couldnt quite seal the deal. Never saw him again. He killed a 230 on the third day at 20 yards and couldn't have been happier. The bull hangs proudly in his house. Its a beautiful bull.

The point is, we scouted hard, we hunted hard. We killed a bull the hunter was eccstatic about and thats all that matters. Again its just my opinion but given an experienced hunter with solid knowledge of the area and ample time to scout, A 260 bull is a realistic goal in the margarite. But if your looking for a 280 or 300+ Head east. They are their but few and far between.
Title: Re: The best GMU to draw a special permit?
Post by: jbeaumont21 on November 22, 2010, 06:38:58 PM
Thank you blackvelvetbowhunter!  That is great information, just what I was looking for.  I would be extremely proud and very grateful to take a bull in the 260's.  Like you said, it would take a lot of researching, scouting and preparing to have a successful hunt, but it's all those little things leading up to the actual hunt that make it so much more memorable.  Thanks again!  I appreciate the info.
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