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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: buckmaster_wa on November 17, 2010, 01:55:52 PM

Title: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: buckmaster_wa on November 17, 2010, 01:55:52 PM: Has anyone heard of any big bucks killed on the Training Center this year?
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: woodywsu on November 17, 2010, 02:07:48 PM: I've seen a couple pictures of bucks taken this year. Nice bucks. I'll see if I can get a member to post some pics.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: bobcat on November 17, 2010, 02:08:30 PM: Probably not many- they only had 10 permits total. Five for rifle, one muzzleloader, and four archery.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: buckmaster_wa on November 17, 2010, 02:57:29 PM: Yeah thats why I figured there should have been some real studs killed out there this year.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: KwackWacker on November 17, 2010, 03:00:27 PM: I think we killed all the big ones last year :chuckle: 8)
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: jdb on November 17, 2010, 03:44:43 PM: Quote from: KwackWacker on November 17, 2010, 03:00:27 PM
I think we killed all the big ones last year :chuckle: 8)
I think your right.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: bobcat on November 17, 2010, 03:46:31 PM: Quote from: KwackWacker on November 17, 2010, 03:00:27 PM
I think we killed all the big ones last year :chuckle: 8)

If "we" is the Yakama indians, then I can believe that.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: 270Shooter on November 17, 2010, 03:47:31 PM: lol Kwack killed a nice one last year bobcat
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Post by: bobcat on November 17, 2010, 03:51:07 PM: OK, so he killed one big one? Certainly not all the big ones. But I wouldn't doubt it if the indians killed off most of them. That's why the tag numbers dropped so drastically. There must have been somewhere around 100 permits for that unit before, now there's 10? :dunno: Yeah I know, hair loss apparently did have some impact there, so maybe that's the reason for it. But the indians going in there and killing unlimited numbers doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: 270Shooter on November 17, 2010, 03:58:18 PM: Well yes I do think the indians shoot a lot of deer in there, but I think there used to be like 50 some rifle permits in there every year which seems way to high to me.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Gobble Gobble on November 17, 2010, 03:58:39 PM: There have been no BIG bucks taken this year if compaired to Marks #2 archery taken last year. There was one nice one with heavy mass that was taken last Wednesday. I was down range working and missed it getting checked in. There was another nice buck taken by a firing squad of Yakima's earlier in the season after word got out of his size.

The deer have been hit hard by the cougar over the last year. I have seen a couple kills myself with several others found. There is thought to be 12 to 14 known cougar here on base (where I work we know where 4 are living and cant wait for the first inch of snow to fall). This year I have only seen may be a dozen bucks one of which I would have had mounted the rest were small.

I have seen some nice elk taken and I have seen a 380+ 6X6 (100 yrds away) while working in the central impact area. The Master Hunters have been really pushing them around since it opened 1 Aug.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Whitefoot on November 17, 2010, 04:24:22 PM: I think this site should be called Yakama-Washington.com. Talk about Indians waaaayyy more than Hunting... Same chit different thread. 8)
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: bobcat on November 17, 2010, 04:33:01 PM: Quote from: Whitefoot on November 17, 2010, 04:24:22 PM
I think this site should be called Yakama-Washington.com. Talk about Indians waaaayyy more than Hunting... Same chit different thread. 8)

Yep, I do like to bring it up every chance I get, as it's one of the biggest reasons for the poor quality deer and elk hunting and lack of opportunity in certain parts of this state.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Whitefoot on November 17, 2010, 04:54:29 PM: Cry, Cry that's all you do!!
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: fishingnut71 on November 17, 2010, 04:56:20 PM: VERY well put bobcat. You hit the nail on the head. They dont hunt the rez anymore because they killed everything on it so have to move on to greener ground. I wish theres something to be done about it BUT. If it was vice versa holy hell would break out if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: boonerboy on November 17, 2010, 05:03:54 PM: Quote from: Whitefoot on November 17, 2010, 04:54:29 PM
Cry, Cry that's all you do!!
kill,kill thats all the indians do.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Antlerking on November 17, 2010, 05:07:55 PM: I say screw it and let em have this state, we obviously cant stop the hunting, so let em kill em all There is no way they are going back into some of those holes in idaho so thats were I will be when it goes south. The indian thing comes up all the time damn near every day now! I wish we could stop it but we cant. Pretty soon there wont be any animals to shoot and then there wont be any body hunting and buying tags and then what, the wdfw will have to step in do something. Thats what it will take
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: buckmaster_wa on November 17, 2010, 05:10:41 PM: Quote from: Whitefoot on November 17, 2010, 04:54:29 PM
Cry, Cry that's all you do!!
Says the one who shoots 10-20 bulls a year. What an accomplishment. "The true Stewards of the land" Go out and shoot bull elk from Nov-Feb on there winter range. All for ceremonial purposes of course.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: buckmaster_wa on November 17, 2010, 05:15:12 PM: Whitefoot, why didnt you take your best of 09'-10' bulls down to the central wa sportsmans show this last year. Was it because you were tired of being scolded by your own people for killing so many bulls or was it because you were under investigation for illegally harvesting a certain bull in the clockum?
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: spikehunter on November 17, 2010, 05:23:01 PM: a gal i work with her husband got a real nice buck
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Bigtine96 on November 17, 2010, 05:39:06 PM: I heard of a guy named white foot who killed many big bucks off the firing center?
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Post by: Cougeyes on November 17, 2010, 06:01:10 PM: Hope he didn't shoot that stickers buck i've seen.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: fishunt247 on November 17, 2010, 06:02:11 PM: I haven't chimed in on here or on the Indian thing in forever...so...Thank God there are winter ranges they don't hit. Luckily in some areas deer winter at 4000-5000 feet with walk in only access, and private land tracks, and area's a long way from the Yakima valley. Frustrating that it happens, and just as frustrating how much it shows up on here. Solution for now...hunt places they don't. Sad that that is what it amounts too.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: fishingnut71 on November 17, 2010, 06:21:22 PM: Ya its pretty pathetic! Time to screw WA and go elsewhere!
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: logger on November 17, 2010, 07:14:24 PM: Hell, just go huntin, don't buy a tag or license if it's good for one it should be good for all, I have the state sending me crap all the time about racial profiling, discrimination, thats what they preach to me, just tell the warden your following state protocol.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: DeerThug on November 17, 2010, 08:56:51 PM: Know an elk tag holder for the ytc - saw tribal with three bucks and a cow. No orange and one guy riding in the back of the truck with the gun. Now you or I try that.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: ribka on November 17, 2010, 09:05:52 PM: Quote from: DeerThug on November 17, 2010, 08:56:51 PM
Know an elk tag holder for the ytc - saw tribal with three bucks and a cow. No orange and one guy riding in the back of the truck with the gun. Now you or I try that.

C'mon their animals are all for tribal ceremonies. :camp: :camp:

It's a complex cultural ceremony and you wouldn't understand. :bs: :bs:

Poaching and selling antlers on ebay is an intregal part of their culture :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:

Dont'cha know the patent for the 7mm cartridge and Dodge pick-up was invented by the Yakamas? 8)
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: kirkl on November 17, 2010, 09:38:12 PM: my neighbor was up helping a friend setup elk camp up white pass some where and there was a spike buck just down the road they were watching and some indians pulled up and jumped out and shot it and wounded it then try herding it back to the truck before he yelled just kill the damn thing. they had 3 does in the bed also. :bash:
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: muleyguy on November 17, 2010, 09:43:52 PM: your a complete joke whitefoot
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: hirshey on November 17, 2010, 09:54:16 PM: Quote from: DeerThug on November 17, 2010, 08:56:51 PM
C'mon their animals are all for tribal ceremonies. :camp: :camp:

It's a complex cultural ceremony and you wouldn't understand. :bs: :bs:

Dont'cha know the patent for the 7mm cartridge and Dodge pick-up was invented by the Yakamas? 8)

That's why I really think there needs to be a revision.. it'll never happen but here's my two cents: SURE! Hunt and fish ALL you want... as long as you do it the traditional way. You want 300 deer or elk or salmon? Carve the bow, weave the fishing nets, etc. You want to keep your "traditional" hunting grounds and hunt planted elk/salmon? Have at it with traditional hand-made equipment and no mechanized equipment... but what's that you say? You want to hunt off the reservation with a gun? Then buy a tag and follow the regs/seasons like everyone else. :twocents:

As for the main subject of this thread, I haven't heard of any critters from the YTC yet. :)
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: coachcw on November 18, 2010, 06:07:32 AM: well said fish hunt . I'm in a good mood today so I'm staying away from this one.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: boneaddict on November 18, 2010, 06:26:09 AM: Whiteman weren't the best stewards last year either, and that didn't help the numbers on the firing center. There were too many permits given out. That being said, the relentless slaughter of the indians compounded the problem since they don't go off of any accountability. Might as well open it up to anyone who wants to hunt. Anytime the whiteman tries any sort of conservation here come the Yakamas to take advantage of the increased number of critters or trophies. Not sure what ceremonial purpose the elk has for them since there weren't any back in the day when they supposedly developed these ceremonies. They used mostly salmon. Maybe they ran out of them.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: trophyhunt on November 18, 2010, 06:32:12 AM: Quote from: Whitefoot on November 17, 2010, 04:54:29 PM
Cry, Cry that's all you do!!
That's all we can do, want to meet behind in the parking lot after school????
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Cougeyes on November 18, 2010, 06:41:04 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on November 18, 2010, 06:26:09 AM
Whiteman weren't the best stewards last year either, and that didn't help the numbers on the firing center. There were too many permits given out. That being said, the relentless slaughter of the indians compounded the problem since they don't go off of any accountability. Might as well open it up to anyone who wants to hunt. Anytime the whiteman tries any sort of conservation here come the Yakamas to take advantage of the increased number of critters or trophies. Not sure what ceremonial purpose the elk has for them since there weren't any back in the day when they supposedly developed these ceremonies. They used mostly salmon. Maybe they ran out of them.
There have probably been too many permits given out for the past few years out there. At least they knocked the tag numbers way down and only a few deer will get shot out there this year by permit holders, who knows what tribal members will do.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: boneaddict on November 18, 2010, 06:46:24 AM: One of the success features it had (last year)was that they didn't have hunting out there the year before. Zero permits were given out. That gave every deer a chance to get one year older. Age equals size.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: trophyhunt on November 18, 2010, 06:51:55 AM: I was in there two years in a row, got lucky and drew with 6 points then had some friends ask us to join their group and they had 6 which gave us three. Anyway my point is back in 04 and 05 there was a lot of deer and bucks seen by our group, you had plenty of choices on what kind of buck you wanted. It just my feeling that the permits were set at a fairly good quota, everything was going good until the Indians realized how easy it is to kill out there. My good friends were in there this year and saw only 3 bucks no does in three days. The number of permits I feel had nothing to do with the deer numbers, It' all about the Indian slaughter of them. >:( >:( :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Bigtine96 on November 18, 2010, 06:54:42 AM: Along with the indians the cougars have been decimating these deer guys, one ran right in front of my truck 200 yards past the second gate. There is cougars and indians everywhere, as far as I'm concerned if there is not something done we can say goodbye to the firingcenter.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Whitefoot on November 18, 2010, 10:43:21 AM: Whitefoot, why didnt you take your best of 09'-10' bulls down to the central wa sportsmans show this last year. Was it because you were tired of being scolded by your own people for killing so many bulls or was it because you were under investigation for illegally harvesting a certain bull in the clockum?

I haven't done anything illegal in the clockum or anywhere hunting! I have only hunted the training center once. so don't be saying i'm in there killing all the bucks! Get your facts straight.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: woodywsu on November 18, 2010, 10:48:47 AM: Can you provide some facts on what you have taken?
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Cougeyes on November 18, 2010, 11:21:04 AM: Quote from: Bigtine96 on November 18, 2010, 06:54:42 AM
Along with the indians the cougars have been decimating these deer guys, one ran right in front of my truck 200 yards past the second gate. There is cougars and indians everywhere, as far as I'm concerned if there is not something done we can say goodbye to the firingcenter.
To many permits, native american harvest, disease, poor habitat in many areas (increased weeds) etc... along with predation = low deer numbers. Permit numbers being knocked back should help them rebound. There aren't cougars everywhere...because you saw one doesn't mean they are all over the place. There are a few out there but no where near the number some of you guys suspect there are. I read on here the one guy claims 12-14 i highly doubt that.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: 101hntr on November 18, 2010, 11:42:51 AM: its also that the state doesn't spend half of what it should towards conservation and the managers cant tell their a$$es from their elbows yet alone manage wildlife populations. I'm willing to beat that most of the money we spend on tags, incentive permits and licenses goes to lining politicians wallets not wildlife management otherwise the salmon and steelhead populations wouldn't be the worst its been in years and there might actually be deer areas like this one would be returned to the way it used to be. I remember when they changed 340 to spike only for elk just for a couple of years like 6 years ago, but they're making too much money with little effort off of permits, which is probably the case with this area. the state wont do much in lines of wildlife management unless they can make money off of it like tickets.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: KopperBuck on November 18, 2010, 11:52:02 AM: Quote from: DeerThug on November 17, 2010, 08:56:51 PM
Know an elk tag holder for the ytc - saw tribal with three bucks and a cow. No orange and one guy riding in the back of the truck with the gun. Now you or I try that.

I do that all the time - it's this kind of BS assumption that gets people turned into knots. Where is there anything wrong here? I can't speak to the seasons, but man, I'd sure like to be innocent until proven guilty. Or do we not believe in that anymore. I don't ride around with orange on all the time. And I've ridden in the back of the truck 90% of the time during OR elk with a gun. Is it because it's visible vs in the cab?

I'm not even touching the native issue. I have my own opinions, but I don't need the internet jury deciding whether I'll burn in hell for them. But these type of generalizations are wrong, regardless of the party.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Bigtine96 on November 18, 2010, 12:02:21 PM: Quote from: Cougeyes on November 18, 2010, 11:21:04 AM
Quote from: Bigtine96 on November 18, 2010, 06:54:42 AM
Along with the indians the cougars have been decimating these deer guys, one ran right in front of my truck 200 yards past the second gate. There is cougars and indians everywhere, as far as I'm concerned if there is not something done we can say goodbye to the firingcenter.
To many permits, native american harvest, disease, poor habitat in many areas (increased weeds) etc... along with predation = low deer numbers. Permit numbers being knocked back should help them rebound. There aren't cougars everywhere...because you saw one doesn't mean they are all over the place. There are a few out there but no where near the number some of you guys suspect there are. I read on here the one guy claims 12-14 i highly doubt that.

I've seen 3 different cougars now, and there may be 12 cougars now but next year there could be 20 and so on and so on. Don't kid yourself cougars are doing their part. Its estimated that a cougar kills one deer a week. Do the math
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Cougeyes on November 18, 2010, 12:28:15 PM: I dont need to do the math. I know on average a cougar will take prey biomass equivalent to that of a deer a week. I'm not arguing that topic. I just dont buy into the numbers i see thrown out here. Cougars are a self-regulating predator with strict territorial boundaries. Males fight for breeding rights and territories and have home ranges of up to 250-300 square miles. Females home ranges may overlap. My point is males aren't going to just let other males in to breed and eat their food its like letting a guy come into your house, sit on your couch and eat your food then sleep with your significant other. You would'nt let that happen would you? Cougars come to a balance on the landscape where males are often driven by the number of females present and will kill eachother if intruding on another males territory. Females are often food driven. With the lack of deer out there i dont see the training center supporting that many cougars. I've seen a kill site out there i dont doubt they're there and taking their fair share of the deer, where there's deer there's usually cougar.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Bigtine96 on November 18, 2010, 12:37:12 PM: Very true that makes sense, nevertheless the combined killings from cougars, indians and excess tags has taken its toll.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: woodywsu on November 18, 2010, 12:50:17 PM: Quote from: Cougeyes on November 18, 2010, 12:28:15 PM
I dont need to do the math.

:chuckle: :chuckle: Call me if you need help. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Cougeyes on November 18, 2010, 01:17:14 PM: Quote from: Bigtine96 on November 18, 2010, 12:37:12 PM
Very true that makes sense, nevertheless the combined killings from cougars, indians and excess tags has taken its toll.
Deffinitely. If the permit numbers stay down it will help and when the population rebounds lets hope they dont bump the tags back up to 70-100.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: boneaddict on November 18, 2010, 01:28:37 PM: Kopperbuck, its because its illegal to do that out there. Your firearm must be in a case in the back. You can not travel with it out of the case whatsoever.
They are also a much bigger stickler for hunter orange. I believe you have to have it on or in possesion to be out there with a firearm.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: Cougeyes on November 18, 2010, 01:38:25 PM: Quote from: woodywsu on November 18, 2010, 12:50:17 PM
Quote from: Cougeyes on November 18, 2010, 12:28:15 PM
I dont need to do the math.

:chuckle: :chuckle: Call me if you need help. :chuckle:
You should have seen us working on ANOVAS and t-tests earlier. Haha. Good times.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: KopperBuck on November 19, 2010, 10:22:56 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on November 18, 2010, 01:28:37 PM
Kopperbuck, its because its illegal to do that out there. Your firearm must be in a case in the back. You can not travel with it out of the case whatsoever.
They are also a much bigger stickler for hunter orange. I believe you have to have it on or in possesion to be out there with a firearm.

Thanks for the info bone - guess I'm just as guilty as being jumpy eh? :rolleyes:

That to prevent road hunting?

Where do you find the info on their regs out there? Never hunted out there. Appreciate it.
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: teal101 on November 19, 2010, 02:35:11 PM: Maybe the firing center should open target practice on certain moving targets out there :rolleyes:

Cry cry cry is all we can do because the government is in bed with you "stewards of the land". If you people didn't make such a bad name for yourself you wouldnt see this *censored* on here constantly, ever think of that? Probably not, too drunk all the time off of government cheese :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Yakima Training Center Buck
Post by: boneaddict on November 19, 2010, 02:45:33 PM: You go and watch a movie to get your card in order for you to be on range. Once you cross the fence you basically give up your rights as a civilian.